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Old 03-27-2005, 01:19 PM   #3921
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What do you mean no longer, he never was. He was always an overrated peice of shit who could only cross a ball, do good long balls, and take the occasional (and i do mean occasional) good free kick.
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Old 03-27-2005, 01:28 PM   #3922
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What do you mean no longer, he never was. He was always an overrated peice of shit who could only cross a ball, do good long balls, and take the occasional (and i do mean occasional) good free kick.
Yeah okay whatever.
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Old 03-27-2005, 01:59 PM   #3923
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Great comeback Robert, you showed me. I always said it when he was with ManYoo and I haven't changed, for a right midfielder he is very poor, he cannot take players on and his lifestyle seems to make people like him more.
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I would say Beckham's easily third best Engand midfielder now. I'd probably pick him over SWP still though. But yeah his performances have been ranging from poor to average for England for a long time now.
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Great comeback Robert, you showed me. I always said it when he was with ManYoo and I haven't changed, for a right midfielder he is very poor, he cannot take players on and his lifestyle seems to make people like him more.
Maybe I wasn't trying a comeback. Try and grasp there are some people in the world who don't give a fuck about your opinion. Here's one. I don't even mean it to sound bad. I really don't. It got to the point ages ago where I could seriously care less what you have to say about football. I don't make anything personal. I'd still shake your hand or drink beer with you or something but if I had to listen to you talk about football, I'd turn and watch paint dry or something.
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Wow, that is how I feel about you too in fact, . We are like brothers. Except you have to realise your views on Kirsty Gallagher are all Pete Tong.
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Fuck.. usa lost to mexico 2-1 in a world cup qualifier.. anyway, im not as sad becuase Greece beat the dirty Georgians 3-1, etsi gamaei i ellada, etsi yianni?
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. In the short time Dyer was on you could see the benefit of having a winger running on the outside .
is this the same dyer who got sir boby robson the sack when he refused to play wide right as he wants to play more central?

do you think he could do the same and get rid of sven for us?

id just like to see us play with natural wingers rather than playing someone out of position just to fit them in. btw on current form although i think hes a good player, downing doesnt deserve a run. he has played pants for weeks now, and before he got injured young james morrison was making downing look average.

id some to see big sam allerdyce given a go as england boss, i can see it now, no disprespect to bolton, but england just having a team full of big strong players who will fight and kick their way to a result. no star names, just a team who want to win at all costs, itd be class!
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If Dyer refused to play on the right for England he wouldn't be picked, but he wouldn't do that anyway, i'm certain of that.

I'm pretty sure he's been playing wide right for Newcastle recently anyway, whenever Kluivert or Ameobi have been alongside Shearer, he's played there.

People are way too harsh on Sven, it's partly down to him being foreign and no English manager is in the same league as him anyway.
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Sven is the man there's no English manager close.

Dyer has been playing welll for Newcastle recently. Think he deserves a half or so on wednesday as Mackem said. Not convinced he can cut it at the highest level either though. I'd rate SWP over him.
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People are way too harsh on Sven, it's partly down to him being foreign and no English manager is in the same league as him anyway.
ahahahaha no?

Give big Sam Allardyce so much money to spend that it almost ruins a team, and he could win Serie A too.

Sven gets criticised because he is negative and fairly poor tactically. Time and time again he shows he has one game plan, and can do nothing more if it fails. England have a side good enough to win the World Cup. They certainly had a side good enough to win Euro 2004.

They didn't, mainly because of the tactical negativity. Negativity is a curse, as we Irish found out to our cost last night also.
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Fuck.. usa lost to mexico 2-1 in a world cup qualifier.. anyway, im not as sad becuase Greece beat the dirty Georgians 3-1, etsi gamaei i ellada, etsi yianni?
Exactly

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ahahahaha no?

Give big Sam Allardyce so much money to spend that it almost ruins a team, and he could win Serie A too.

Sven gets criticised because he is negative and fairly poor tactically. Time and time again he shows he has one game plan, and can do nothing more if it fails. England have a side good enough to win the World Cup. They certainly had a side good enough to win Euro 2004.

They didn't, mainly because of the tactical negativity. Negativity is a curse, as we Irish found out to our cost last night also.
i agree! Sven is an idiot!

why campagian to get the cup final moved so that his players can be rested and fuck up an english tradition, then go and arrange some meaningless friendlies at the end of the season wheres the sence in that?

i know the friendlies are this season but its the principle of the fact he wants his players to have a good rest at end of seasons so they are refreshed but then makes them travel half he world! idiot.

dyer has been plating on the right btw but think is more due to souness telling him and dyer seeing what happened with bellamy
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You'd want Beckham on the right. I think the reason he's been toss for England is because he's been playing in the centre at madrid. He's not a central midfielder and never was. Probably why he's been so useless at madrid too. Just because he can't take people on doesn't make him shit. When you can cross like him (or how he used to), you don't really need to. Watching him playing straight to a players feet from the halfway line was immense. I wish we'd have kept him and had Ronaldo on the left instead. We're missing his creativity somewhat savagely.
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ahahahaha no?

Give big Sam Allardyce so much money to spend that it almost ruins a team, and he could win Serie A too.

Sven gets criticised because he is negative and fairly poor tactically. Time and time again he shows he has one game plan, and can do nothing more if it fails. England have a side good enough to win the World Cup. They certainly had a side good enough to win Euro 2004.

They didn't, mainly because of the tactical negativity. Negativity is a curse, as we Irish found out to our cost last night also.
Sven is the best manager we've had since Sir Bobby, give him until the world cup at least, if we don't get past the quarter's then he can go as there's been no progress made. The tournaments we've had under him we've been knocked out by the winners in Brazil, and the runners up in Portugal.

Allardyce hasn't won anything yet, and Bolton play shit football despite having some good midfielders. No guaranteeing he'd play the same if managing England of course but i definetly wouldn't want to see it. Personally i'd sooner have Alan Curbishley if i had to choose an English manager.

As for tactically, Bolton don't exactly have anything other than hoofing it up to Davies. I agree in Euro 2004 England were too negative after taking leads though.
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It's not about ability.

Can you, as a manager who is under so much pressure, drop your captain, for a inexperienced, player at a mid table team?

There'd be so much backlash.
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would there fuck. nobody respects beckham as a captain anyway, he's toss at it.
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I bet Victoria would have a word, only for Sven to think he's pulled again
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Wasn't Aragone's defense something about Reyes being a gypsy
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Yeah he was motivating the gypsy to beat the black bastard
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Sven is the best manager we've had since Sir Bobby, give him until the world cup at least, if we don't get past the quarter's then he can go as there's been no progress made. The tournaments we've had under him we've been knocked out by the winners in Brazil, and the runners up in Portugal.

Allardyce hasn't won anything yet, and Bolton play shit football despite having some good midfielders. No guaranteeing he'd play the same if managing England of course but i definetly wouldn't want to see it. Personally i'd sooner have Alan Curbishley if i had to choose an English manager.

As for tactically, Bolton don't exactly have anything other than hoofing it up to Davies. I agree in Euro 2004 England were too negative after taking leads though.
It should be the nature of how you get knocked out that Sven is judged on, not who by.

Against Brazil, England had no ideas against a side reduced to ten men, and sat back inviting pressure. Against Portugal, England had no ideas when Rooney went off, and sat back inviting pressure,

Allardyce is not likely to win anything at Bolton because of how the Premiership is set up, however the way he has brought them from a yo-yo side to one competing for Europe, on a shoestring budget, signing talented players other clubs do not want, playing to their strengths, is better than Sven buying a Serie A or winning the Portuguese league with Benfica.

It's not good enough to say "we'll wait and see how we do at the World Cup" really, if Sven isn't going to change. If the same thing happens again, then you have another generation of England players who will not fufill their potential at a major competition.
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Yeah I have always thought Redknapp, Allerdyce or McClaren could do a job.
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If you're gonna go English I'd suggest Curbishley
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yeah, id say McLaren or Curbishly.

The whole thing about Fat Sam building Bolton on a shoestring budget is a bit of a myth too considering the wages he had to pay people like Okocha and Djokaeff. The high wages were offset by the low transfer fees.

Redknapp would be a terrible manager because his strength is in the transfer market. He did very little on the coaching and tactics side of things while here, mainly playing 8v8 games in training and claiming "good players don't need to be told what to do"
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Yeah I'd never go for Redknapp.

IF we had to go for an English manager I'd go for Mclaren. But I wouldn't really want him now to be honest.
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Forgot about Curbishley, but I would still take the other three ahead of him.
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Wow, that is how I feel about you too in fact, . We are like brothers. Except you have to realise your views on Kirsty Gallagher are all Pete Tong.


I just have a think about going for birds that the likes of Rio Ferdinand and Stan Collymore have banged. I wouldn't touch Jordan either. Any bird Dwight Yorke shagged makes me physically ill to look at.

But that's another story.
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To be honest, I'd be pretty surprised if the next England manager (or at least the 1st in line) wasn't Steve McClaren.
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Oh come on Rob, Dwight Yorke is ex United, surely you'd wanna bang a bird he did, even if it was Jordan.

Personally I wouldn't care if Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Phil Neville, Nadia (before her sex change) shagged Kirsty Gallagher before I did, I'd still smash the granny out of her.
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Nope. I'd shag filth. I just don't wanna know before hand they are filth for sure.
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Old 03-28-2005, 07:05 PM   #3955
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Kirsty Gallagher is fit.

Jordan is a fucking ugly scumbag drugged up talentless piece of shit.

Therein lies the difference
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Old 03-28-2005, 07:20 PM   #3956
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I Kirsty Gallacher so much
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Old 03-28-2005, 07:44 PM   #3957
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We all do, except Robert apparently.
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Old 03-29-2005, 03:59 AM   #3958
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Kirsty Gallacher has got a awful nose though
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Old 03-29-2005, 04:04 AM   #3959
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The thing about Allardyce is how he managed to entice those players. Bolton were at the time, relegation favourites, and to bring in these sort of players must have taken some negotiations. I don't know what the wages he offered were, so if they were huge I may be wrong.

But, when you can reject players like Jardel and Javi Moreno, who were, and maybe still are, quality players, then you must be doing something right.

And while they may not play particularly good football, it works. They've sneaked up to 6th, and if I was a manager, I couldn't care if my methods didn't cater for the public, if they worked.

However, England is totally different. Rather than a few thousand, the entire country is rooting for you. You can't bring in whoever you like, and there is huge pressure. I could see Allardyce becoming the next Mike Bassett.
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Old 03-29-2005, 05:58 AM   #3960
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Jardel was in his mid 30's and obese and decided he wanted to go back to Brazil.

I was at the match when he made his debut, he came on and me and my mate were like "oh shit" until we realised he was about 3 stone overweight. Needless to say we then scored 4 goals and won and went top of the Premiership.
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