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Old 02-17-2005, 11:29 AM   #3001
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:38 AM   #3002
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Are you saying a couple of goals in a match where no one was tackling anyone else says something about Camara's quality, Dazz?

Considering the nature of the goals, too, which I did see, you'd have to be a moron to suggest they mean anything.

You obviously haven't seen very much of Henri Camara if you think he is a good player. Just because he's knocked a couple in for Southampton, you're getting carried away.

Keep an eye out for Southampton matches, if you can bear it, and try watching the fellow.

It's pretty funny when you're always going off on one about how Ruud Van Nistelrooy isn't very good, but Henri Camara is.
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No, I never said Ruud Van Nistelrooy isn't very good, find me a post where I have said that, I said he gets too much praise, he has people licking his arse left right and centre yet he ca only do the simple things, anyways why bring that up again, it would go on forever, I have argued with so many peoiple about it and never changed my opinion, so you won't be able to either.

I know there was no tackling, but that doesn't mean that he has a bad touch like you claim, he still had to dribble the fecking ball, and finish it. Do you honestley think he can't finish the ball? Wow he was shit for Celtic, look at Chris Sutton for Chelsea, it wasn't just the finishing, his all round play was dissapointing at us, yet you still get overly wound up at my disliking for Sutton.

Camara played badly for one team, MMM won't admit he played well for them as he fucked around at the end of the season, it's what being biased and sticking up for your own team is all about. A good example of which is after the Pompey Vs Chelsea game on Deceber 28th, me, my dad and a few of his mates went to it, and in a pub with Pompey fans after the match, we were talking to some of them whilst the SOuthampton Liverpool match was on and they were going "Southampton will go down, Redknapp's too shit too keep them up" Honest to god, Pompey fans were caling Redknapp shit. Because they are bitter, MMM would love to have Camara playing for Wolves if he didn't critisize the club and pretty much say he'd never play for them again because they are not good enough, and when they are currently 17th in the Championship you can surely see where he is coming from, he deserves better them then.
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He was fucking shite for Wolves, Dazz. He was awful. He had a streak at the end of the season where he bagged a few goals, but he was terrible for the most part.

He was fucking awful for Celtic, similarly, but he also bagged a few goals.

His touch is pathetic. Have you actually seen any full, competitive matches he has played in? Utterly pathetic. I really cannot understand how anyone could say he has a good touch and is a good finisher.

A good finisher would NOT miss the chances he does constantly. He had 7 goals in 30 matches last season. Hardly a good return for someone who deserves better, and if he was any good he could have put away a few more goals to keep Wolves alive, instead of getting them all towards the end of the season when they were pretty much down already.

I saw him play several matches last season for Wolves. I remember him from the World Cup in 2002, even when he managed to bag a couple there in the second round (I think), and I've seen him play quite a few times for Celtic this season.

There are good players who play badly, and there are just plain bad players, and Camara is a bad player.
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People need to settle in, look at Kezza at us, and Forlan at Chelsea, Angel at Villa, all the senegalese players liverpool signed. I know Camara only came from the French league, bu I'm sure some of Liverpools Senegalese players did too, and LeBouef mentioned our league being more physical, he just had to adjust, and when he did, he hit good form, scoring good goals. If his touch was as bad as you say, he wouldn't have got into good positions, and if his finishing was as bad as you say, then a highly rated keeper like Toldo would be able to save his shots.
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For him to criticise us for not being good enough when he helped get us relegated by playing shit is where it stems from, but I've said that dozens of times already. Plus, again, it's not just us. When he was AT Celtic he said Celtic weren't a big enough team for him. WTF does he want, Barcelona to step in and snap him up?

Let's face it, why do you think we were able to sign him in the first place? Nobody else wanted to. He scored in the 2002 World Cup (silver goal against Sweden if I'm not mistaken), and as you know the World Cup is *the* shop window if you want a move. Nobody bought him. Doesn't say a whole lot right there really.

Also, I have to re-iterate, without having seen his goals from the other night, last season for us his goals consisted of 1 tap-in from 2 yards, 1 slot through Cudicini's legs (which he almost fucked up) and 5 shots that 99/100 would've gone a mile over the bar. He is *not* some fantastic finisher; he is similar to Okocha in some ways, when they shoot they either score a fantastic looking goal or balloon it out of the ground/horribly wide/whatever.

Seriously man, give it up.
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Oh come on. It was an exhibition match.

Camara's record in the French league wasn't exactly astonishing either. It was fairly average. In Angel and Kezman's case, they are quality players with good records elsewhere who didn't settle in right away. Kezman's record in Serbia and Holland is astonishing, he just needs a break.

I don't think you've seen Camara player apart from a few MOTD highlights and that exhibition game. He's horrible.
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He scored 14 goals in the season in the French league, not bad IMO, yes not astonishing, but not bad. The point I am making is that you would make him sound like he has the finishing of Robert Fleck, which isn't the case.

And MMM, he scored two in the match Vs Sweden I think.
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Dazz will get you involved in a ridiculous arguement some day. I guarantee it.

I know he hasn't seen Camara play now. I'm a better finisher than him. Just a pity I'm white and fat.
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I have seen Camara play, I still find it hard to believe that we are talking about the same Camara the way you go on about him. You would love the Rajah sports thread, he has some fans there, you could spend a while arguing about him there too.

I don't believe you are a better finisher, and until you show ample proof, you sir, are a liar.
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No way Dazz, you haven't seen him play much. Anyone who claims he is good should be having a little word with themselves. I've seen the thread at Rajah, and people say Camara is shite, also.

14 goals in the French league is crap, by the way. Even Stephane Gui'varch got more than that.
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Not everyone, JPKEngland, MMH, The Hamburlgar, and thats just from looking at the otp of the previous page. To say he is one of the worst players to ever play at Premiership level is something that no one agrees with.

14 goals in any league isn't crap, it's not overly impressive in the French league, but how the fuck can he not finish when he scores 14 for them, 7 for wolves, 1 (in like 2 games for Southampton) and I dunno how many at international level, probably not many, but he can clearly finish the ball, you fucking cretin. And we are not talking little tap ins where the rest of the team do the work to provide him with an easy spoon-fed finish either, as you'd say, 'wise you up'.
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Camara played badly for one team, MMM won't admit he played well for them as he fucked around at the end of the season, it's what being biased and sticking up for your own team is all about. A good example of which is after the Pompey Vs Chelsea game on Deceber 28th, me, my dad and a few of his mates went to it, and in a pub with Pompey fans after the match, we were talking to some of them whilst the SOuthampton Liverpool match was on and they were going "Southampton will go down, Redknapp's too shit too keep them up" Honest to god, Pompey fans were caling Redknapp shit. Because they are bitter, MMM would love to have Camara playing for Wolves if he didn't critisize the club and pretty much say he'd never play for them again because they are not good enough, and when they are currently 17th in the Championship you can surely see where he is coming from, he deserves better them then.
It isn't just a case of Adam being bitter about it, he was aweful before Wolves were down and his finishing was terrible. I have no reason to be bitter about him, so take it from me, he was bad. It wasn't a case of him not getting into positions to score, it was a case of him not being able to put the ball in the net.

and Redknapp's best skill is in the transfer market and he hasn't signed anyone particularly great. Look at their run in and look at who they've got at home and away. They'll need to start winning away if they want to stay up. Next go and look at Redknapp's record away from home in the Premiership with Portsmouth and West Ham. He doesn't have a clue away from home and thats not bitterness.
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See Owen, you bitter, bitter person, if I had MSN chat logs on this PC, I'd dig up the thing you said about how you wouldn't replace Arry and Jim with anyone, even if you were given the choice to have anyone in the world.

And you always have a gay opinion on De Zeuuw, so I do not wish to 'take it from you'
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anyone in the world? I don't remember saying that but anyway. They were good for us and did a lot to get us where we are today and I didn't want them to go but the away form was terrible and a lot of people were questioning it long before he eventually left.

And as for gay opinions on Pompey players, you seem to thikn Matthew Taylor is our best defender, when anyone that knows anything about Portsmouth or has seen Matthew Taylor play in the last season and a half would tell you he's a) always been much better attacking than defending, b) has been shit since he got injured.
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My mate who is a Pompey season ticket holder agreed with me, and he is the only Pompey fan I have asked.

And you definitley did say it, hence why I wish I had the chat log of it.
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no he didn't. You pasted part of that convo to me and you asked if he was good against Chelsea and he said he was. You said to me he was our best defender.

One good match and best defender are different.

de Zeeuw and Stefanovic are consistantly solid, Matthew Taylor is good sometimes and terrible the rest of the time.

Joe Cole had a decent match when we played you, he's your best player.
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Arguing with Dazz is like being sucked into this inescapable nightmare.

I remember me and him went back and forth on Gilberto. I think he's wonderful, Dazz thinks he is shite. That felt like it went on for about 6 months.

That's when I thought Dazz was the little blonde lad, not the Jew.
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The Duff arguement was better, when you were convinced that Brian Kerr would be the man to know that Duff would rather go to United then Chelsea, I tried to find the football thread on the old boards but that dirty Arab must have deleted it. That's when I thought you were a poof, and I am still not sure if I was wrong with that, considering you called my photo's "cute" You make threads on tea, I'm sure there are other clues if I could be bothered to look through your posts.

And Owen, he is your best defender, he has no competition for that accolade. Anyone who fairly marks Duff out of a game has to be doing something right, and my mate said he was a very good defender, not just in that match, but always has been, and hasn't been worse since his injury.
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Don't class Angel in the same light. He showed how good he is last season. This season thanks to be rushed back from injury because of our tiny squad hes not got on form. Vassell will be back within a week or two and we'll see Angel get better then too.
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I didn't, I said when he first came, players need to settle, once Camara settled he done good. And he was rubbish against Chelsea at the Bridge last season, he missed two of the easiest chances I have seen, you'd have won 3-2 (like you did away ) had he scored them.
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I might be wrong on this and this is my opinion but with the help of Mandaric, Redknapp helped get an average side into the Premiership and kept them there.
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I don't like Camara, his attitude is shit but if you're going to have one like that at least make sure you've had a decent career to start with. His overall career stats are that he's started 123 games and scored 42 goals, 13 goals in 42 at international level and then in Scotland, a league which is worse than the French one in my view, he scored 8 in 26 starts, which is pretty poor. Now he's come out today criticising Martin O'Neill (making him a fucking twat from my point of view anyway) by saying he didn't have a chance at Celtic

Matty Taylor was awesome as a wing back in 02/03 but i wouldn't consider him to be the best defensively, that year they were pretty attacking anyway. Whenever i've been speaking to Owen after a match he's never been like 'Matty had .... in his pocket'.
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Thats because Owen doesn't appreciate him, maybe he should go to a team that would. The new Portsmouth only features Greek's anyway, hence their hurry to shaft as many players as they could out in January. You wait till August, they will go one better then Arsenal, and field a team of only Greek's, and not just non Englishmen.

Stats don't count anyway, I really couldn't give a shit how many goals he scored in how many games, as long as he tries, and looks good then thats fine. He is a good player, ECG would have you believe that he isn't good enough for Accrington Stanley.
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I might be wrong on this and this is my opinion but with the help of Mandaric, Redknapp helped get an average side into the Premiership and kept them there.
Don't get me wrong, I dislike him for lying to us and going to Southampton but im taking nothing away from him getting us up and I don't think any Pompey fan, deep down would. But away from home in the Premiership he was shocking, Div 1 was spot on though.

And Dazz, I do appreciate Matty Taylor and 2 seasons ago before he got injured he was shit hot but even then he was poor defensivly and much better going forward, by his own admission. Now he's lost his ability to skin people so he's not so great going forward and he often makes errors defensivly.

Believe me when I say, our best defender is Dejan Stefanovic.
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Stats don't count anyway, I really couldn't give a shit how many goals he scored in how many games, as long as he tries, and looks good then thats fine.
Get the fuck out of here with that shit. Scoring goals is his JOB, if he doesn't do it he has little to no use.
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Hey Adam, I shall not, I shall not be moved, I'm staying here. Yes it's his job but if his overall game is good enough then who are we to beef.

I'd take Kezman over Gudjohnsen any day, because his style ofplay is better and he tries harder and has much better ability. I'd say thats just me, but in this case, ECG loves Diouf, yet his goal scoring record is as horrid as they come.

Strikers who don't score aren't doing whats asked of them, but as long as they contibute well I have no problem with them.
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Believe me when I say, our best defender is Dejan Stefanovic.
As long as you are aware that it isn't De Zeeuw
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Hey Adam, I shall not, I shall not be moved, I'm staying here. Yes it's his job but if his overall game is good enough then who are we to beef.

I'd take Kezman over Gudjohnsen any day, because his style ofplay is better and he tries harder and has much better ability. I'd say thats just me, but in this case, ECG loves Diouf, yet his goal scoring record is as horrid as they come.

Strikers who don't score aren't doing whats asked of them, but as long as they contibute well I have no problem with them.
Kezman has a phenomenal scoring record elsewhere, his ability isn't in question. Camara has never been a proven goalscorer. Big difference.
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All this arguing over Henri Camera? Face it, the guy is pants. The guy choked at Celtic and it's that simple. Even Southampton are too good for him. He'll do ok at Reading or Northampton.


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I'd take Kezman over Gudjohnsen any day, because his style ofplay is better and he tries harder and has much better ability. I'd say thats just me, but in this case, ECG loves Diouf, yet his goal scoring record is as horrid as they come.
I'd take Gudjohnsen. I like strikers who can actually score a goal.
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Well, You'd also cheer if Forlan scored against ManYoo so I'm hardly bothered who you'd take, Rob.
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I think Diouf is a quality player because he brings a lot more to a team than goalscoring. He has never been a prolific scorer, but he is such a handful for a defence when he's playing with confidence. He's quick, skillful and very strong. He ran Arsenal utterly ragged pretty much on his own a few weeks back, and set up the only goal with a brilliant cross.

I thought he was great for Liverpool on the wings last season. Very underrated player, and I expect a lot of Liverpool fans might agree with me.
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I love Diouf, I wish we got him back off his loan spell in the Jan' Window. He runs for every ball and he's always trying to create something for the team.
Remember that this is a player who tore apart the France squad in the 2002 World Cup.
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Old 02-18-2005, 10:16 PM   #3035
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Bolton are apparently going to bid for him in the summer, chin up Danny, he is too Un-Spanish like to play for you, other then being a chronic diver that is.
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Yeah, I read that in The Sun today. I wonder how much we'll get for him, not the 10 mill we brought him for. That's for sure, it's a shame because he has so much potential.
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Especially as he has taken his own price tag down by constantly disgracing himself.
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Yeah, he has a bad reputation after some of the shit he's done with all that spitting nonsense.
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Old 02-18-2005, 10:24 PM   #3039
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exactly, I really can't see you getting more then 4-5million up front, and then maybe like 2 million dependant on some stuff.
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I was thinking about 5 mill.I'd like to see him stay, better than Nunez any day of the week.
Plus the way Kewell has been playing, he's better than him too.
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