NFL 2006 Season Thread - Page 51

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-12-2006, 03:59 PM

Supposedly the Dolphins bought film that had audio of Tom Brady's signals..

LOL

You fucking lost.. Get over it..

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-12-2006, 04:13 PM

Gotta cheat to beat the Pats

**AlphaBean** · 12-12-2006, 04:20 PM

LOL at Hester possibly getting nothing but a pro bowl invite for his record-breaking season. Fuck, watching that video, he has crazy vision. He should line up at HB sometimes.

**Triple A** · 12-12-2006, 06:20 PM

What do you mean nothing but a pro bowl invite? What else should he get? He is a kick returner (and only a punt returner until two weeks ago) who has broken a few big ones. I don't think he is more deserving than others for rookie of the year or any shit like that.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-12-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple A

What do you mean nothing but a pro bowl invite? What else should he get? He is a kick returner (and only a punt returner until two weeks ago) who has broken a few big ones. I don't think he is more deserving than others for rookie of the year or any shit like that.

A few?

Hmmm... I think you need to return to the rock you live under.

Let's put it this way... only 6 people in the entire history of the NFL have ever returned 2 kickoffs for TDs. Only. Six. In. History. That is A LOT of NFL games. And now a rookie is one of them.

Oh yeah... and the record he broke last night has ben sitting still since 1971. 35 years.

This is also just some "punt returner" that was the main headline on ESPN.com, NFL.com, SI.com, NBCsports.com, and various other sports websites.

If it's not the Jets... just stay quiet.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-12-2006, 07:02 PM

I think he has averaged like 14.5 yards per punt return, I guess a few of his longer returns skew that average but still...pretty ridiculous.

I dunno about MVP or any of that shit, I could see him getting Defensive Rookie of the Year though.

Also Joey Sluggs, I'd like to add to your last line...if anyone says anything negative about Bears... just flip out about it.

**Triple A** · 12-12-2006, 07:28 PM

I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent.

HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy.

Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-12-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Also Joey Sluggs, I'd like to add to your last line...if anyone says anything negative about Bears... just flip out about it.

Has nothing to do with him being on the Bears. I'm not about to start talking about Hester for MVP like RP is, but I find it funny that someone like AAA can pretty much say that just because this guy is a punt returner... he doesn't deserve award talk.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-12-2006, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A

I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent.

HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy.

Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that.

Well he just started playing defense recently, but I think he'd be pretty deserving of the defensive award just because of his work in the kick/punt return game.

I'd say its gonna come down to him or DeMaco Ryans...or maybe AJ Hawk but I really haven't heard TOO much about Hawk, but I do know he plays like every down so maybe.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-12-2006, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A

I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent.

HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy.

Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that.

I don't see Young and Bush breaking 35 year old records right now. So don't start saying that there are more guys more deserving than Hester right now.

Hester's TD returns and overall return yardage has a lot to do with how many points the team can put on the board since they are able to play on a shorter field thanks to him.

Oh yeah.... and he has already (pretty much) single handedly won a game this year.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-12-2006, 07:44 PM

awww. I got neg reped by AAA. did I hurt your feelings boss?

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-12-2006, 07:46 PM

Vince Young has single handly won a few games this year too though, but I don't see why Bush, Young and Hester can't all be canidates. They all are, it's not like one guy is head and shoulders above the rest (Well Hester is gonna be a canidate for a defensive, while Bush and Young will be offensive but you get the point)

**Triple A** · 12-12-2006, 07:49 PM

One of his returns was a ridiculous FG return for a TD when basically the entire Giants team just fell asleep so he would not have broken the record if it wasn't for that. And I think it's safe to assume that at least a couple of his returns were more luck/blown coverage/good blocking than him making it happen completely on his own. AGAIN I am acknowledging that he IS really good obviously but I am not going to start sucking his dick saying he is the most amazing rookie I have ever seen like everyone else is doing. If he returns a couple more by the rest of the season/playoffs though, I will start calling him Superman and admit I am wrong but not yet.

**Triple A** · 12-12-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

awww. I got neg reped by AAA. did I hurt your feelings boss?

Yes.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-12-2006, 08:27 PM

I dunno everyone sucked Dante Hall's dick a few years back

**Nervous Ferret** · 12-12-2006, 09:34 PM

Oh, you mean "The Human Joystick" Dante Hall?

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-12-2006, 10:14 PM

Michael "Beerman" Lewis

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-12-2006, 10:14 PM

Michael "Beerman" Stima

RP · 12-13-2006, 02:42 AM

Terrance " I got nothing " Wilkins.

**Mr. Monday Morning** · 12-13-2006, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Well he just started playing defense recently, but I think he'd be pretty deserving of the defensive award just because of his work in the kick/punt return game.

I'd say its gonna come down to him or DeMaco Ryans...or maybe AJ Hawk but I really haven't heard TOO much about Hawk, but I do know he plays like every down so maybe.

Be pretty funny if the guy the Texans drafted in the 2nd round got DROY while the guy they drafted in the 1st gets no mention

As far as OROY Young is really coming up fast. For me it's about the impact a player makes on the team, Colston has done really well but the Saints have shown they can still play well without him and put up points - right now Young as a starter has a winning record, with the freaking TITANS. That deserves some serious praise.

**Gonzo** · 12-13-2006, 12:17 PM

To be honest I was going to say that although I think Hester is good but I don't think he is anything terribly special but figured it wasn't worth the idiotic backlash that would be given.

Of that one video that was posted in this thread with Hester's returns, only one really impressed me, the one I think against the Vikings where he was dead to rights but escaped like 4 defenders. I'm with Trips on the whole Giants one, they played poor football on that play and even then no one on a field goal team is going to catch the guy, they are all lineman and LB's.

Hester is good but isn't that "wow" type impressive to me.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-13-2006, 01:07 PM

I dunno, if it is so easy to return this kicks I don't get why it doesn't happen more often. Pretty hard to get "lucky" that many times. I can see you not thinking what he has done is worthy of Rookie of the Year, but saying he has no "wow" factor is pretty dumb.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

I dunno, if it is so easy to return this kicks I don't get why it doesn't happen more often. Pretty hard to get "lucky" that many times. I can see you not thinking what he has done is worthy of Rookie of the Year, but saying he has no "wow" factor is pretty dumb.

Like I said to AAA... Hester is only the 6th guy in NFL history to return 2 kickoffs for TDs (that is A LOT of games). And no one has returned 6 in a season until now.

If that doesn't "wow" you... football isn't your game.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:34 PM

This is when Hester was known as "Anytime" down in Miami:

Here is the updated highlight reel (including the game on Monday night):

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-13-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Like I said to AAA... Hester is only the 6th guy in NFL history to return 2 kickoffs for TDs (that is A LOT of games). And no one has returned 6 in a season until now.

If that doesn't "wow" you... football isn't your game.

Records are broken on a weekly basis..

**AlphaBean** · 12-13-2006, 01:39 PM

Yeah seriously, the guy is awesome and you can't doubt that.

But the fact remains, there's no way he should be considered for offensive, defensive ROY or MVP. He just shouldn't. Mainly because he only plays special teams. And to say he plays defense is like saying Brad Johnson plays Quarterback. Sure, he's there on the field, but if you had someone better you'd probably put him in.

I'm not knocking the guy, I'm knocking the system that has no love for special teamers outside of the Pro Bowl. Maybe it's time they came out with, to a lesser extent, Special Teams rookie of the year.

And yeah, MVP would be fucking hilarious when you're on the same planet as Ladanian Tomlinson...

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-13-2006, 01:40 PM

Didn't Reggie Bush break a rookie TD record when he scored 4 on one game??

Let me go find some videos of him in college..

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

To be honest I was going to say that although I think Hester is good but I don't think he is anything terribly special but figured it wasn't worth the idiotic backlash that would be given.

Of that one video that was posted in this thread with Hester's returns, only one really impressed me, the one I think against the Vikings where he was dead to rights but escaped like 4 defenders. I'm with Trips on the whole Giants one, they played poor football on that play and even then no one on a field goal team is going to catch the guy, they are all lineman and LB's.

Hester is good but isn't that "wow" type impressive to me.

Not going to start with the backlash, but I do want to point something out. Even though the return against the Giants might not of been the most impressive (it is an NFL record though) it had nothing to do with the Giants playing bad football. If you watch the highlight... you will see that the Bears just simply had every Giants on their ass. There were some hard hitting blocks down field that opened up such a huge hole.

I'm sorry that he doesn't "wow" you like he does us here in Chicago... but stima is right... if it was so easy... why is the record only 6 right now?

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaBean

Yeah seriously, the guy is awesome and you can't doubt that.

But the fact remains, there's no way he should be considered for offensive, defensive ROY or MVP. He just shouldn't. Mainly because he only plays special teams. And to say he plays defense is like saying Brad Johnson plays Quarterback. Sure, he's there on the field, but if you had someone better you'd probably put him in.

I'm not knocking the guy, I'm knocking the system that has no love for special teamers outside of the Pro Bowl. Maybe it's time they came out with, to a lesser extent, Special Teams rookie of the year.

And yeah, MVP would be fucking hilarious when you're on the same planet as Ladanian Tomlinson...

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

Records are broken on a weekly basis..

Oh are they now?

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-13-2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Not going to start with the backlash, but I do want to point something out. Even though the return against the Giants might not of been the most impressive (it is an NFL record though) it had nothing to do with the Giants playing bad football. If you watch the highlight... you will see that the Bears just simply had every Giants on their ass. There were some hard hitting blocks down field that opened up such a huge hole.

I'm sorry that he doesn't "wow" you like he does us here in Chicago... but stima is right... if it was so easy... why is the record only 6 right now?

So you are saying it wasn't him by himself, but good blocking by the entire KR team that helped him tie the record??

Kinda proves the point..

**AlphaBean** · 12-13-2006, 01:46 PM

First off, that Miami runback was fucking absurd. Not luck, not blocking, just a guy who should gain 15 pounds and play HB.

On the other hand, it was against Duke. Didn't Duke have the longest losing streak in history recently? Dunno... It's not too hard to run through the arm tackles of a bunch of white lacrosse playing rapists.

Second off, back to that "luck and blocking" thing. No no no. People get blocks all the time. And returners usually make the mistake of thinking "I gotta get past this guy," rather than thinking "I Gotta get past the next 5 guys and score a TD."

If you pay close attention to Hester's runbacks, he's not just running scattershot all over the field (except against Duke, which means he CAN he just doesn't usually). He has ridiculous vision for where the running lane will open up, and once he sets his shoulders, he's unstoppable. That's why I think he should be a HB. Run him out of the shotgun so he can view the field, he'll be unstoppable. Even on a WR screen play now and then... or a reverse. Wickeddddddd.

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-13-2006, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Oh are they now?

Almost..

Some record is tied/broken atleast 6 weeks a year..

Baronas' two FG's
LT's TD's
Bush Rookie Recieving Yards
Saints Score 42 in Dallas

etc etc etc

This happens every year..

**AlphaBean** · 12-13-2006, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

Didn't Reggie Bush break a rookie TD record when he scored 4 on one game??

Let me go find some videos of him in college..

*cough*Joseph Addai*cough*

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

So you are saying it wasn't him by himself, but good blocking by the entire KR team that helped him tie the record??

Kinda proves the point..

Proves what point? It's one thing to get the blocks... and it's another to have the spead and vison (like AB just mentioned) to blow past guys.

This is my point:

Hester is fucking sick. And deserves to be talked about like we are doing right now.

There it is.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

Almost..

Some record is tied/broken atleast 6 weeks a year..

Baronas' two FG's
LT's TD's
Bush Rookie Recieving Yards
Saints Score 42 in Dallas

etc etc etc

This happens every year..

Yeah, but the record we are talking about lasted 35 years.

And how the hell is the Saints' 42 points a record? Maybe IN Dallas, but it's not a NFL record.

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-13-2006, 01:54 PM

Yeah but he's no MVP..

Just because he's a great returner doesn't mean he's MVP material..

Two years ago it was Dante Hall.. Year before that It was Michael Lewis..

He is nothing new..

**AlphaBean** · 12-13-2006, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

Almost..

Some record is tied/broken atleast 6 weeks a year..

Baronas' two FG's
LT's TD's
Bush Rookie Recieving Yards
Saints Score 42 in Dallas

etc etc etc

This happens every year..

I gotta say, this one is different.

It's nothing compared to LT's TDs, but on the other hand, that record is not even a year old yet. Hahaha Shaun Alexander is gonna come out next year and freak out. He's probably going to kill a safety on the way to a TD trying to get his record back.

I think the Giants thing was a fluke. It was bad play, it was a great playcall, the coach called something out to make the Giants think it was done, it was pretty good blocking, and a nice runback. Those things are pretty, but you can't judge a guy's season on one return. I mean, fuck, he's had 5 more for you to scrutinize. Try them. He was sick in college, he was drafted too high, and is absurd on the pro level. He deserves props. But like I said, who gives a fuck about special teams?

**Kris P Lettus** · 12-13-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Yeah, but the record we are talking about lasted 35 years.

And how the hell is the Saints' 42 points a record? Maybe IN Dallas, but it's not a NFL record.

O_o

It is an NFL record.. Just because it's specific to one stadium doesn negate that..

I'm just saying, you are acting like just because he broke a record, everyone should be on his jock.. As I said, records are broken all the time.. The game/players are just getting better..

**Joey Slugs** · 12-13-2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

Yeah but he's no MVP..

Just because he's a great returner doesn't mean he's MVP material..

Two years ago it was Dante Hall.. Year before that It was Michael Lewis..

He is nothing new..

And neither of them broke the record. Hmmm....

He might not be anywhere near MVP "material" but he has done just as much for this team as any another top guy in the league. He scores touchdowns and puts his team in a better position to win.

Last time I checked... that's what the MVP award was all about.

So stop downplaying what this kid is doing.

12-12-2006, 07:02 PM	#2006
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I think he has averaged like 14.5 yards per punt return, I guess a few of his longer returns skew that average but still...pretty ridiculous. I dunno about MVP or any of that shit, I could see him getting Defensive Rookie of the Year though. Also Joey Sluggs, I'd like to add to your last line...if anyone says anything negative about Bears... just flip out about it. Last edited by Jesus Shuttlesworth; 12-12-2006 at 07:05 PM.

12-12-2006, 07:28 PM	#2007
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent. HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy. Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that. Last edited by Triple A; 12-12-2006 at 07:31 PM.

12-12-2006, 03:59 PM	#2001
Kris P Lettus Listen to Killer Mike Posts: 56,741	Supposedly the Dolphins bought film that had audio of Tom Brady's signals.. LOL You fucking lost.. Get over it..

12-12-2006, 04:13 PM	#2002
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Gotta cheat to beat the Pats

12-12-2006, 04:20 PM	#2003
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	LOL at Hester possibly getting nothing but a pro bowl invite for his record-breaking season. Fuck, watching that video, he has crazy vision. He should line up at HB sometimes.

12-12-2006, 06:20 PM	#2004
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	What do you mean nothing but a pro bowl invite? What else should he get? He is a kick returner (and only a punt returner until two weeks ago) who has broken a few big ones. I don't think he is more deserving than others for rookie of the year or any shit like that.

12-12-2006, 07:44 PM	#2011
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	awww. I got neg reped by AAA. did I hurt your feelings boss?

12-12-2006, 07:46 PM	#2012
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Vince Young has single handly won a few games this year too though, but I don't see why Bush, Young and Hester can't all be canidates. They all are, it's not like one guy is head and shoulders above the rest (Well Hester is gonna be a canidate for a defensive, while Bush and Young will be offensive but you get the point)

12-12-2006, 07:49 PM	#2013
Triple A Triple A Posts: 133,040	One of his returns was a ridiculous FG return for a TD when basically the entire Giants team just fell asleep so he would not have broken the record if it wasn't for that. And I think it's safe to assume that at least a couple of his returns were more luck/blown coverage/good blocking than him making it happen completely on his own. AGAIN I am acknowledging that he IS really good obviously but I am not going to start sucking his dick saying he is the most amazing rookie I have ever seen like everyone else is doing. If he returns a couple more by the rest of the season/playoffs though, I will start calling him Superman and admit I am wrong but not yet.

12-12-2006, 08:27 PM	#2015
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I dunno everyone sucked Dante Hall's dick a few years back

12-12-2006, 09:34 PM	#2016
Nervous Ferret love yourself Posts: 47,788	Oh, you mean "The Human Joystick" Dante Hall?

12-12-2006, 10:14 PM	#2017
Kris P Lettus Listen to Killer Mike Posts: 56,741	Michael "Beerman" Lewis

12-12-2006, 10:14 PM	#2018
Kris P Lettus Listen to Killer Mike Posts: 56,741	Michael "Beerman" Stima

12-13-2006, 02:42 AM	#2019
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Terrance " I got nothing " Wilkins.

12-13-2006, 12:17 PM	#2021
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	To be honest I was going to say that although I think Hester is good but I don't think he is anything terribly special but figured it wasn't worth the idiotic backlash that would be given. Of that one video that was posted in this thread with Hester's returns, only one really impressed me, the one I think against the Vikings where he was dead to rights but escaped like 4 defenders. I'm with Trips on the whole Giants one, they played poor football on that play and even then no one on a field goal team is going to catch the guy, they are all lineman and LB's. Hester is good but isn't that "wow" type impressive to me.

12-13-2006, 01:07 PM	#2022
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I dunno, if it is so easy to return this kicks I don't get why it doesn't happen more often. Pretty hard to get "lucky" that many times. I can see you not thinking what he has done is worthy of Rookie of the Year, but saying he has no "wow" factor is pretty dumb.

12-13-2006, 01:34 PM	#2024
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	This is when Hester was known as "Anytime" down in Miami: Here is the updated highlight reel (including the game on Monday night):

12-13-2006, 01:39 PM	#2026
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Yeah seriously, the guy is awesome and you can't doubt that. But the fact remains, there's no way he should be considered for offensive, defensive ROY or MVP. He just shouldn't. Mainly because he only plays special teams. And to say he plays defense is like saying Brad Johnson plays Quarterback. Sure, he's there on the field, but if you had someone better you'd probably put him in. I'm not knocking the guy, I'm knocking the system that has no love for special teamers outside of the Pro Bowl. Maybe it's time they came out with, to a lesser extent, Special Teams rookie of the year. And yeah, MVP would be fucking hilarious when you're on the same planet as Ladanian Tomlinson...

12-13-2006, 01:40 PM	#2027
Kris P Lettus Listen to Killer Mike Posts: 56,741	Didn't Reggie Bush break a rookie TD record when he scored 4 on one game?? Let me go find some videos of him in college..

12-13-2006, 01:46 PM	#2032
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	First off, that Miami runback was fucking absurd. Not luck, not blocking, just a guy who should gain 15 pounds and play HB. On the other hand, it was against Duke. Didn't Duke have the longest losing streak in history recently? Dunno... It's not too hard to run through the arm tackles of a bunch of white lacrosse playing rapists. Second off, back to that "luck and blocking" thing. No no no. People get blocks all the time. And returners usually make the mistake of thinking "I gotta get past this guy," rather than thinking "I Gotta get past the next 5 guys and score a TD." If you pay close attention to Hester's runbacks, he's not just running scattershot all over the field (except against Duke, which means he CAN he just doesn't usually). He has ridiculous vision for where the running lane will open up, and once he sets his shoulders, he's unstoppable. That's why I think he should be a HB. Run him out of the shotgun so he can view the field, he'll be unstoppable. Even on a WR screen play now and then... or a reverse. Wickeddddddd.

12-13-2006, 01:54 PM	#2037
Kris P Lettus Listen to Killer Mike Posts: 56,741	Yeah but he's no MVP.. Just because he's a great returner doesn't mean he's MVP material.. Two years ago it was Dante Hall.. Year before that It was Michael Lewis.. He is nothing new..