Football Talk 2004/2005 (Soccer)

[Ferocious]

Originally Posted by Doink what you mean you wernt happy the summer we bought merson & maddison? whats with the name change anyway terry?

Face Turn, Also no I wasn't Maddison was a steaming pile of shite and Merson screwed us over.

[Ferocious]

Originally Posted by Skeletor Newcastle have officially signed Milner for £5m. Should be a good signing for us, Nicky Butt is supposed to be following by the end of next week.

Nicky Butt just signed for Tottenham for 4.5 million.

[Ferocious]

[Doink]

Originally Posted by Skeletor Newcastle have officially signed Milner for £5m. Should be a good signing for us, .

how? no seriously is he any better than what you already have? personally id say ambrose was the better out of the 2 of them.

[Doink]

Originally Posted by SirRoundSound Face Turn, Also no I wasn't Maddison was a steaming pile of shite and Merson screwed us over.

i thought we had another boro fan come on her at first

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by 91 No more astounding than a team like Middlesbrough signing/wanting to sign all these world class players.

Difference between a club being linked with a player and the player themselves saying they would agree to the move.

Boro have been linked with a stupid number of huge names for years, way back to the Bryan Robson days. Partly why I hate Bryan Robson, every fucking week he'd come out and say "Yes, we're interested in *world class player*" when they would NEVER move to Middlesbrough.

Besides which who have Middlesbrough signed recently who's world class?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by Doink how? no seriously is he any better than what you already have? personally id say ambrose was the better out of the 2 of them.

Milner is far *far* better than Ambrose

Pompey have been linked with both Poborsky and Ricardo Fuller

[Skeletor2]

Ambrose needs to learn to cross. Right now he's just a player who runs up and down and occasionally does a wonder shot.

He also suffers a lot of pressure, being Nobby's replacement. That and his inexperience really show up in his performances. People are still angry about Nobby being sold and so he needs to develop into a seriously good player to earn forgiveness for something that's not his fault.

[Skeletor2]

Trabelsi is joining the arse for 3m apparently. Stupid Gunners being a more attractive club than us

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning Stoke/Wolves is a match for kings

Wolves' opening game of the season - away to Stoke City - has been selected by Sky TV. The match will now be played on Sunday August 8.

No kick-off time has yet been confirmed but the game is likely to be scheduled for either before or after the Community Shield match.

[Rob Ban Fan]

Merson could murder my entire family and he'd STILL be the man

Im not even saying anything about Ricardo Fuller until he has had a medical, signed a contract and had his photo taken with a shirt. Charlton will probably sign him tomorrow or something

[Ferocious]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning Difference between a club being linked with a player and the player themselves saying they would agree to the move. Boro have been linked with a stupid number of huge names for years, way back to the Bryan Robson days. Partly why I hate Bryan Robson, every fucking week he'd come out and say "Yes, we're interested in *world class player*" when they would NEVER move to Middlesbrough. Besides which who have Middlesbrough signed recently who's world class?

Gaizka Mendieta

[Doink]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning Difference between a club being linked with a player and the player themselves saying they would agree to the move. Boro have been linked with a stupid number of huge names for years, way back to the Bryan Robson days. Partly why I hate Bryan Robson, every fucking week he'd come out and say "Yes, we're interested in *world class player*" when they would NEVER move to Middlesbrough. Besides which who have Middlesbrough signed recently who's world class?

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paragraph b - ok we have been linked with a stupid number of players over the past few years, no more than any over team though! come on all i read last summer was wolves are chasing *insert name*,wolves are in talks with, wolves have bid x amount for x player as they look to strenghten their side in hope of premiership survival. i can say i read the same about boro, charlton, newcastle, spurs, hell i even occasionally read chelsea were chasing people. come on its the same for every club and when robson said we were interested id say at least 6 times out of 10 when he said it we were and had contacted the other club about the player.

the last bit on paragraph b where you say they would NEVER (never being in capitals, clearly stating to myself that you are jelous of the signings boro have made over the years & have also never been to the area to see whats on offer to the players) sign for boro. i will say some names for you:

Bryan Robson - noone said he'd come here but he did.
Juninho - star of umbro cup, we got him
Ravinelli - european cup winner would never sign for boro, o hang on he did and scored 31 goals that season.
Paul Merson, Emerson,Southgate,Ince,Gazza,Geremi,Boksic etc. none of these players would ever play for boro but somehow they all did. can you explain this please Mr. MondayMorning ?

Paragraph c - please define world class as i havent seen wolves sign anone of this calibre unless you count carl cort as SRS said mendieta is a world class player well lazio paid £28m for him so he must have something right?

in history there have only been about 2-3 players id say were world class - Pele, Usabio, Bobby Moore.

now if your talking who have boro signed that is good then juninho, zenden, doriva (world cup winner so could be classed as world class) etc.

your comments please MMM

[Mr. Monday Morning]

-Mendieta is good but not the player he was. If he was truly that good Lazio would never have let him go, or more to the point Barcelona would have signed him after he went on loan there. He wasn't even in the Spanish squad for Euro 2004 when he would've been an almost certain starter 2-3 years ago, so that tells you something.

-We were never linked with anyone who would be an unrealistic target for this club. When Robson was in charge all I ever read about was him being 'interested' in signing god only knows how many players *that were beyond Middlesbrough's means* - Man United get linked with a ton of players but they can buy almost anyone because they're a huge club...examples off the top of my head include the De Boer brothers (when they were still at Ajax and could've moved to any club in Europe), Sol Campbell, Kluivert (again when he had the pick of teams in Europe), Shevchenko, and I'm pretty sure at one point he might've mentioned Zidane The point is he made himself look like a prat by even thinking they would ever go near Middlesbrough.

-If you think I'm jealous of Middlesbrough you must be on a different planet.

-Bryan Robson - a mini Chelsea years before Abramovich came along. Threw money at a team and hoped some of it stuck. Won nothing. Eventually got found out. His fantastic management skills sure worked at Bradford this season didn't they?

-Juninho - wow, the Umbro Cup Seriously, he had a good season when he first arrived (lord knows why he did, I'll never understand it) but then his form dipped. Sold, broke his leg, couldn't get a regular place in a team back home, came back still good but not the player he once was.

-Ravenelli - booted out of Juventus as part of their revolving door of strikers in the late 90s. Lasted just over a season, mainly because of the fantastic paypacket he was picking up.

-Merson - good player but you can't honestly tell me he would slot into a major European team.

-Emerson - came for the money, lost interest in the 2nd half of the season, sold.

-Southgate - booted out of Villa as part of Deadly Doug's annual costcutting. Not the player he once was but still a decent defender. Best years are behind him though.

-Ince - see Southgate, replace Villa with Liverpool and costcutting with managerial fallout.

-Gascoigne - please. The man is and has been for years a walking joke. Besides which we had him last season so don't be so proud

-Geremi - loan signing, doesn't really count. Could've come back but showed how much he liked the place by signing for Chelsea.

-Boksic - as before with Ravenelli, except Ravanelli wasn't a broken down cripple. Has flashes of his old self but time and injuries pretty much destroyed him as a player.

-World class, i.e. someone who could play for any team in the world. Dunno why you mention Wolves cause it's not about us, the last world class player we had was probably Billy Wright back in the 50s. Mendieta used to be very good, but he isn't the player he was. Zidane isn't world class? Nedved? Raul? Ayala? Shevchenko? Maldini? The list could go on.

-Zenden isn't your player, he's Chelsea's and he knew he wouldn't get a game this season if he hadn't moved somewhere. Doriva isn't all that - Roque Jnr is a world cup winner as well, and he didn't exactly set the world on fire at Leeds did he?

[Cactus Sid]

Originally Posted by Doink paragraph a ignored paragraph b - ok we have been linked with a stupid number of players over the past few years, no more than any over team though! come on all i read last summer was wolves are chasing *insert name*,wolves are in talks with, wolves have bid x amount for x player as they look to strenghten their side in hope of premiership survival. i can say i read the same about boro, charlton, newcastle, spurs, hell i even occasionally read chelsea were chasing people. come on its the same for every club and when robson said we were interested id say at least 6 times out of 10 when he said it we were and had contacted the other club about the player. the last bit on paragraph b where you say they would NEVER (never being in capitals, clearly stating to myself that you are jelous of the signings boro have made over the years & have also never been to the area to see whats on offer to the players) sign for boro. i will say some names for you: Bryan Robson - noone said he'd come here but he did. Juninho - star of umbro cup, we got him Ravinelli - european cup winner would never sign for boro, o hang on he did and scored 31 goals that season. Paul Merson, Emerson,Southgate,Ince,Gazza,Geremi,Boksic etc. none of these players would ever play for boro but somehow they all did. can you explain this please Mr. MondayMorning ? Paragraph c - please define world class as i havent seen wolves sign anone of this calibre unless you count carl cort as SRS said mendieta is a world class player well lazio paid £28m for him so he must have something right? in history there have only been about 2-3 players id say were world class - Pele, Usabio, Bobby Moore. now if your talking who have boro signed that is good then juninho, zenden, doriva (world cup winner so could be classed as world class) etc. your comments please MMM

I could reply for him.

Middlesbrough are ALWAYS linked with big players. Ok, a lot of the time its just the media fishing for a story, but aside from the top 5 clubs in the Premiership you have been linked (possible exception being Tottenham) with more players than anyone else, and so often it turns out to be bullshit.

Also, why are you having a go at Wolves? Wolves (probably by MMM's own admission) are not a big club. They'd just been promoted, they were linked with plenty of players, because the media were playing up to the fact that they had just been promoted and that they needed to build the squad up. There is a marked difference between "linked with players because you need more" and "linked with players because people are trying to take a poxy north eastern club and make it look bigger than it actually is". Honestly, take this from anyone who is not a Middlesbrough fan, its not hating you, because to be honest no-one (bar Sunderland/Newcastle) has any reason to hate such a poxy small club. It is just the truth, Middlesbrough are linked with everyone, and Bryan Robson is notorious for getting the hopes of the fans up, and failing them. Hey, you might have had a good team, but he still got you relegated.

Yes, Boro have signed a fair share of good players, but where has it got you?

Bryan Robson,Juninho, Ravinelli, Paul Merson, Emerson,Southgate,Ince,Gazza,Geremi,Boksic

You mention this lot. Notice that they are all either WAY past there best, or were instrumental in getting you to the great heights of nowhere. Bryan Robson is an absolute failure as a football manager. Besides, you seem to forget one of the major reasons anyone would play for a team like Middlesbrough. You're a big club???? NO. Its the almighty dollar my friend. Each of them will have been earning £50,000 a week.

If you wanna define World Class, how about players who are highly regarded around the world as top footballing talent. You could take World Class as the biggest compliment in football standards today, while the players you mention would come under the category of Legendary footballers.

Again, stop hating on Wolves. They can't help being shit (sorry MMM )

Your defending a team who have done precisely fuck all after spending millions and millions of pounds only players who are looking for a payday. The club has gone, and is going nowhere. You have a track record for paying ridiculous sums of money to players who are often past their best. You have a track record for saying you are going to sign player after player, you are linked with some top-quality players, who afterwards don't sign for you. Don't have a go at someone for stating the truth.

Also, if your thinking about having a go at Liverpool, purely as a means of retalitation, don't bother.

[Doink]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning -Mendieta is good but not the player he was. If he was truly that good Lazio would never have let him go, or more to the point Barcelona would have signed him after he went on loan there. He wasn't even in the Spanish squad for Euro 2004 when he would've been an almost certain starter 2-3 years ago, so that tells you something. - LAZIO LET HIM GO BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LEEDS OF ITALY, HOW DID DAVIDS DO AT BARCA? SURLY THEY SHOULD HAVE SIGNED HIM ASWELL? SPAIN SHOULD HAVE TAKEN MENDI TO PORTUGAL, HE WAS A NUMBER OF PLAYERS THAT SHOULD HAVE GONE BUT DIDNT. -We were never linked with anyone who would be an unrealistic target for this club. When Robson was in charge all I ever read about was him being 'interested' in signing god only knows how many players *that were beyond Middlesbrough's means* - Man United get linked with a ton of players but they can buy almost anyone because they're a huge club...examples off the top of my head include the De Boer brothers (when they were still at Ajax and could've moved to any club in Europe), Sol Campbell, Kluivert (again when he had the pick of teams in Europe), Shevchenko, and I'm pretty sure at one point he might've mentioned Zidane The point is he made himself look like a prat by even thinking they would ever go near Middlesbrough. - DE BOER INTREST CAME JUST BEFORE RANGERS MOVED IN. WE HAVE NEVER INQUIRED ABOUT SOL CAMPBELL SO THAT NY FRIEND IS PAPER TALK AS IS SHEVCHENKO. KLUIVERT TURNED US DOWN AS WANTS TO PLAY IN LONDON, YOU ARE MAKING UP ZIDANE JUST SO YOUR PARAGRAPH LOOKS BIGGER. WE WOULD LOVE HIM TO COME HERE BUT WE COULDNT AFFORD HIM & HAVE NEVER ATTEMPTED TO SIGN HIM. -If you think I'm jealous of Middlesbrough you must be on a different planet. NOPE JUST A DIFFERENT POSTAL AREA -Bryan Robson - a mini Chelsea years before Abramovich came along. Threw money at a team and hoped some of it stuck. Won nothing. Eventually got found out. His fantastic management skills sure worked at Bradford this season didn't they? - ROBSON THREW NO MONEY INTO THIS CLUB,HE HELPED TURN US FROM A MEDIOKER OLD 1ST DIV CLUB INTO A RESPECTABLE MIDTABLE PREMIERSHIP TEAM. WE SACKED HIM DUE TO THE FACT HE DOESNT KNOW WHEN TO US SUBSTITUTES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BORO NOT BRADFORD SO THAT HAS NO RELIVANCE -Juninho - wow, the Umbro Cup Seriously, he had a good season when he first arrived (lord knows why he did, I'll never understand it) but then his form dipped. Sold, broke his leg, couldn't get a regular place in a team back home, came back still good but not the player he once was.- UMBRO CUP MENTIONED AS THATS WHEN HE FIRST CAME TO LIGHT WITHIN THE ENGLISH GAME, WE BEAT OFF ARSENAL TO SIGN HIM. HIS FORMED DIPPED B4 WE SOLD HIM???? THE GUY GOT PIPPED BY ZOLA FOR PLAYER OF THE YEAR DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A DIP IN FORM? HE WAS SOLD OUT OF RESPECT & FINANCIAL REASONS, WE GOT A GOOD OFFER & WITH WORLD CUP COMING UP HE NEED TO BE IN A TOP DIVISION TO GET NOTICED, HE UNFORTUANTLY BROKE HIS LEG AND MISSED OUT. WHEN CAME ON LOAN ROBSON PLAYED HIM OUT OF POSITION. LAST SEASON HE WAS OUR SECOND TOP SCORER. PLEASE DO NOT KNOCK THIS GUY AS HE IS QUALITY AND HE HAS A HEART THAT IS F**KIN BREATHING BORO EVERY TIME HE PULLS ON THAT SHIRT. THE GUY IS COMMITTED & IM HAPPY WITH THAT. -Ravenelli - booted out of Juventus as part of their revolving door of strikers in the late 90s. Lasted just over a season, mainly because of the fantastic paypacket he was picking up. - SO WHAT HE STILL CAME HERE THEREFORE DEAFEATING YOUR OPINION -Merson - good player but you can't honestly tell me he would slot into a major European team. HE DID - ARSENAL, WE GOT HIM WHICH SHOCKED PEOPLE AS THEY THOUGHT HE WOULDNT COME HERE BUT HE DID. -Emerson - came for the money, lost interest in the 2nd half of the season, sold. - WENT AWOL DUE TO HIS WIFE BEING A BITCH, WAS STILL PLAYING FOR US THE FOLLOWING YEAR -Southgate - booted out of Villa as part of Deadly Doug's annual costcutting. Not the player he once was but still a decent defender. Best years are behind him though. - HAD THE CHOICE OF CLUBS AS HAD PLENTY OF OFFERS, HE CHOOSE US -Ince - see Southgate, replace Villa with Liverpool and costcutting with managerial fallout.- SEE SOUTHGATE COMMENTS -Gascoigne - please. The man is and has been for years a walking joke. Besides which we had him last season so don't be so proud - WE HAD HIM '97,98 & '99 HE WAS STILL A GOOD PLAYER AND WOULD HAVE BEEN A LEGEND FOR US IF HOODLE HADNT HAVE DROPPED HIM FROM WORLD CUP SQUAD, THAT IS WHAT EVENTUALLY DESTROYED GAZZA. -Geremi - loan signing, doesn't really count. Could've come back but showed how much he liked the place by signing for Chelsea. - ACTUALLY SHOWED HOW MUCH HE LIKED MONEY BY SIGNING FOR CHELSEA, HE MAY HAVE BEEN ON LOAN BUT HE HAD OTHER OPTIONS I.E CHELSEA TRYED TO GET HIM BUT HE CHOOSE US THEN WENT TO THEM FOR THE MONEY. -Boksic - as before with Ravenelli, except Ravanelli wasn't a broken down cripple. Has flashes of his old self but time and injuries pretty much destroyed him as a player. - POINT WAS HE WAS DEEMED A WORLD CLASS PLAYER WHO WOULDNT GO TO A SMALL TOWN LIKE BORO BUT HE DID. WISH HE HADNT THOUGH (MONEY WAS FACTOR HE CAME HERE) -World class, i.e. someone who could play for any team in the world. Dunno why you mention Wolves cause it's not about us, the last world class player we had was probably Billy Wright back in the 50s. Mendieta used to be very good, but he isn't the player he was. Zidane isn't world class? Nedved? Raul? Ayala? Shevchenko? Maldini? The list could go on. - ZIDANE ISNT WORLD CLASS IN MY OPINION BUT BY YOUR DEFO OF WORLD CLASS THEN THE PLAYERS YOU MENTIONED ARE, RAUL HASNT DONE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PLAY GOOD CLUB FOOTBALL WHAT AS HE DONE IN MAJOR INTERNATIONAL TOURNIMENTS? AYALA & SHEVCHENKO ARE THE SAME. AFTER EURO 2004 NEDVED IS ON HIS WAY AND MALDINI CAN BE ADDED TO MY ORIGINAL LIST -Zenden isn't your player, he's Chelsea's and he knew he wouldn't get a game this season if he hadn't moved somewhere. Doriva isn't all that - Roque Jnr is a world cup winner as well, and he didn't exactly set the world on fire at Leeds did he?- AGAIN ZENDEN HAD OPTIONS BUT HE CHOSE TO COME TO US OTHER THAN OTHER CLUBS. DORIVA IS A WORK HORSE, HE DOES A GOOD IN PRIMIERSHIP WHEN CALLED UPON UNLIKE ROQUE JNR. I MENTIONED DORIVA AS WAS UNSURE AS TO YOUR DEFONITION OF WORLD CLASS.

[Wengerland]

According to the Express, Crespo has been loaned to AC Milan.

[Doink]

Originally Posted by Cactus Sid I could reply for him. Middlesbrough are ALWAYS linked with big players. Ok, a lot of the time its just the media fishing for a story, but aside from the top 5 clubs in the Premiership you have been linked (possible exception being Tottenham) with more players than anyone else, and so often it turns out to be bullshit. Also, why are you having a go at Wolves? Wolves (probably by MMM's own admission) are not a big club. They'd just been promoted, they were linked with plenty of players, because the media were playing up to the fact that they had just been promoted and that they needed to build the squad up. There is a marked difference between "linked with players because you need more" and "linked with players because people are trying to take a poxy north eastern club and make it look bigger than it actually is". Honestly, take this from anyone who is not a Middlesbrough fan, its not hating you, because to be honest no-one (bar Sunderland/Newcastle) has any reason to hate such a poxy small club. It is just the truth, Middlesbrough are linked with everyone, and Bryan Robson is notorious for getting the hopes of the fans up, and failing them. Hey, you might have had a good team, but he still got you relegated. Yes, Boro have signed a fair share of good players, but where has it got you? Bryan Robson,Juninho, Ravinelli, Paul Merson, Emerson,Southgate,Ince,Gazza,Geremi,Boksic You mention this lot. Notice that they are all either WAY past there best, or were instrumental in getting you to the great heights of nowhere. Bryan Robson is an absolute failure as a football manager. Besides, you seem to forget one of the major reasons anyone would play for a team like Middlesbrough. You're a big club???? NO. Its the almighty dollar my friend. Each of them will have been earning £50,000 a week. If you wanna define World Class, how about players who are highly regarded around the world as top footballing talent. You could take World Class as the biggest compliment in football standards today, while the players you mention would come under the category of Legendary footballers. Again, stop hating on Wolves. They can't help being shit (sorry MMM ) Your defending a team who have done precisely fuck all after spending millions and millions of pounds only players who are looking for a payday. The club has gone, and is going nowhere. You have a track record for paying ridiculous sums of money to players who are often past their best. You have a track record for saying you are going to sign player after player, you are linked with some top-quality players, who afterwards don't sign for you. Don't have a go at someone for stating the truth. Also, if your thinking about having a go at Liverpool, purely as a means of retalitation, don't bother.

firstly i wasnt having a go at wolves i was simply pointing out that they have been linked with numourous players as have middlesbrough. the reason for this being like you said the PRESS trying to get a story.

for fuck sake the sun advertised about 4 years ago that liverpool were in talks with a player called didier baptise! this player is a fictional person from the sky 1 soap dream team. so the press make things up all the time.

we are not a poxy noth east club nor are we a big club. what we are is a premier league team who are looking to mobe on and become one of the big clubs. it is a word called ambision and that is what we are selling to the players that come here. thus proving effective last season by winning the league cup and getting into europe.

bryan robson contributed to getting us relegated, look up the facts moron it was keith lamb, boro's cheif executive who advised him and the players we had available that we didnt have to travel to blackburn as he'd sorted it with the F.A, thus proving to be a lie and we had 3 points deducted, had they not been deducted facts show we would have stayed up!

all bar boksic the players i mentioned have helped the club in some way, including gazza, on his first full season he got more man of match awards than any other boro player!

i am defending a team that has spent millions in the past, now have a wage structure which gibson will not break and are in europe!

[Doink]

Originally Posted by WWEngland According to the Express, Crespo has been loaned to AC Milan.

if this is true than thats 2 forwards out within a week

[Rob Ban Fan]

Wasn't Boksic the premiership's highest paid player at one point?

I dunno, I like Boro but it has also annoyed me that they're always linked with these great players. I understand that your Chairman loves the club and wants to take it forward but sometimes, a bit like Roman, it seems he has more money than sense. With the amount of money that Gibson and McLaren have spent, id be asking why you were finishing behind the likes of Charlton and Bolton.

Big names and expensive players dont make great teams.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I didn't say Robson threw money into the team, I said he threw money at the team. He spent millions on either transfer fees or wages and for a time it worked, but then he got found out because as a manager he is not much cop. He managed to get Bradford relegated this season as another example of his 'skills', so it very much is relevant.

Ravanelli signing for Middlesbrough for the money doesn't 'defeat my opinion' it's the whole point. It's like old players signing for teams in Qatar or Saudi Arabia or wherever...they get offered stupid sums of money, of course they're going to take it.

The whole point about Merson was that he was a spent force when Arsenal let him go. At that point in his career (and since) he has not been the player he was at his peak for various reasons. If he hadn't had his drugs/booze/gambling habits and had looked after himself, you wouldn't have had a chance of signing him.

The thing about Geremi signing for Chelsea for money is ironic as that is the major reason behind people like Southgate and Ince signing for you years before. Middlesbrough had (not any more, I will give you that) a well-deserved reputation for paying out stupid sums of money to players.

Gascoigne should never have gone to the World Cup in 98, Euro 96 was the last time he was ever any good as a player. Just because he wins a player of the game award doesn't mean he's any cop...Paul Butler and Jody Craddock won player of the game awards for us this season, doesn't mean they weren't shite

Boksic was deemed a world class player 2-3 years before he signed for Middlesbrough. By the time he did he wasn't one any more. Similar theme with most of the players listed.

Saying Zidane isn't world class doesn't exactly help your stance Raul has played in the Real Madrid team for the last 8-9 years without ever being displaced, considering the amount of talent that has gone through that club that is an amazing feat. As for internationals, I'm almost certain he's Spain's top goalscorer of all time (or close to it)...just because they as a team choke doesn't mean he isn't a world class player who could play for any team (which is the criteria I already stated). Same for Ayala and Shevchenko...just because Argentina and Ukraine haven't won anything doesn't mean they're not outstanding players. Nedved is not 'on his way out' If he was Juventus would be rid of him...you might stand a chance of signing him then And Maldini is a better defender than your entire back 4 put together.

[Rob]

Boro piss on Wolves. Just had to say that even if it's not the arguement

And when Boro signed Juninho the first time, he was easy top 10 best players in the world and was the best player in Britain by the end of the season (yes, better than Cantona).

[Mr. Monday Morning]

And Porto piss on Man U

[toxic rooster]

"A small Portuguese child laughed at my moustache, saying his was thicker and more bushy. I held him down and knuckled his head until he said that Manchester United are the best team in the whole wide world and Paul Scholes' goal against Porto was definitely a goal which means that Porto are poo."

Ahhh...good old football365 and their constant piss-taking

[Doink]

Originally Posted by Rob Boro piss on Wolves. Just had to say that even if it's not the arguement And when Boro signed Juninho the first time, he was easy top 10 best players in the world and was the best player in Britain by the end of the season (yes, better than Cantona).

thank you thats my point when he first played in england in the umbro cup a hell of a lot of clubs were looking at him and trying to sign him. he came to middlesbrough and the guy is a legend second only to the late great wilf mannion in our history.

MMM if you go back to your original point you said that boro are linked with players that would NEVER come to middlesbrough. all the formentioned players were said by many in the press to not consider us. reguardless of wether we paid them £63k a week (ala boksic) or they lived in manchester (ala robson for first seson as manger) the point my friend is they said the players wouldnt come and play for us yet they did.

you are only peed off because you read that boro are chasing this player then that player that aint our fault if you have a problem with it take it up with the newspaper you read it in or dont read that artical. i get pissed off reading chelsea are set to sign who ever but i aint bitching about it.

2 other things for you MMM

a) robson may have got bradford relegated but that had nothing to do with the fact of your point about middlesbrough not being able to sign people because they would NEver play for us. You say he's a bad manager i disagree, he's not the best but he's not the worst and i think bradford were doomed along time before he took over.

b) i never said nedved was on his way out, i said he was on his way to being a world class player. Raul may be spains top scorer but when it really matters i.e world cup he just doesnt do it. Zidane is a good player but i also think he is a bit lazy. Malidini was brilliant, i am talking paulo & i assume you are too, if he's better than the boro back 4 then he's better than the full wolves squad!

[Doink]

Originally Posted by Rob Ban Fan Wasn't Boksic the premiership's highest paid player at one point? I dunno, I like Boro but it has also annoyed me that they're always linked with these great players. I understand that your Chairman loves the club and wants to take it forward but sometimes, a bit like Roman, it seems he has more money than sense. With the amount of money that Gibson and McLaren have spent, id be asking why you were finishing behind the likes of Charlton and Bolton. Big names and expensive players dont make great teams.

this question has been raised and even tho he got us into europe and won our first cup, steve mclaren is belived to be in his make or break year as our manager

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by Doink MMM if you go back to your original point you said that boro are linked with players that would NEVER come to middlesbrough. all the formentioned players were said by many in the press to not consider us. reguardless of wether we paid them £63k a week (ala boksic) or they lived in manchester (ala robson for first seson as manger) the point my friend is they said the players wouldnt come and play for us yet they did.

You're saying Gareth Southgate is the equal of Maldini? No offence but none of the players listed are what I would call world class, which is what my point was to begin with. Juninho is about the only player you've signed in recent years when he has been at the peak of his game, the rest are either in a dip or past it altogether.

Originally Posted by Doink you are only peed off because you read that boro are chasing this player then that player that aint our fault if you have a problem with it take it up with the newspaper you read it in or dont read that artical. i get pissed off reading chelsea are set to sign who ever but i aint bitching about it.

No see this is where you're going wrong. There's a difference between a paper making up bullshit like "Chesterfield to sign Vieira" and someone from the club ie the manager SAYING "Yes we're looking to sign X" or "We'd be very interested in signing Y". THAT is what Robson was guilty of for so many years. If he'd kept his trap shut I'd have had no problem with him.

Originally Posted by Doink 2 other things for you MMM a) robson may have got bradford relegated but that had nothing to do with the fact of your point about middlesbrough not being able to sign people because they would NEver play for us. You say he's a bad manager i disagree, he's not the best but he's not the worst and i think bradford were doomed along time before he took over.

No, it has to do with you lumping Robson in with the group of players you mentioned. Robson is not much cop as a manager, so it should not be such a big deal he went there. Hell, he went to Bradford, making it even less of a big deal.

Originally Posted by Doink b) i never said nedved was on his way out, i said he was on his way to being a world class player. Raul may be spains top scorer but when it really matters i.e world cup he just doesnt do it. Zidane is a good player but i also think he is a bit lazy. Malidini was brilliant, i am talking paulo & i assume you are too, if he's better than the boro back 4 then he's better than the full wolves squad!

By 'on his way' I thought you meant he was past his prime, so my bad there. But if you think he isn't already then Yet another difference of opinion. I can't see how you say Raul doesn't do it in major international competitions and yet still don't consider Zidane, who was won virtually everything in the modern game, to be world class.

Maldini probably is better than the Wolves squad But that's not exactly a disgrace either.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Originally Posted by Doink b) i never said nedved was on his way out, i said he was on his way to being a world class player. Raul may be spains top scorer but when it really matters i.e world cup he just doesnt do it. Zidane is a good player but i also think he is a bit lazy. Malidini was brilliant, i am talking paulo & i assume you are too, if he's better than the boro back 4 then he's better than the full wolves squad!

Raul is the top goalscorer of all time in the Champions League.

Zinedine Zidane scored 2 goals in a World Cup final to win it for his country. He also inspired his team to win the European Championships in 2000. He has also scored the winning goal in the Champions League final for Real Madrid and has won the two strongest league titles in Europe, Serie A and La Liga.

Now I don't really give a shit about the rest of your argument, but to deny either of those two are world class players...you need to have a little word with yourself.

[Oxstar]

Acording to The People newspaper Crystal Palace are weighing up a move for West Ham midfielder Steve Lomas, while the Eagles have tabled a £500,000 bid for Leicester striker James Scowcroft. Also in another newspaper I read that Palace are close to signing Everton Forward Wayne Rooney??? only joking I read that Palace are close to signing Everton Forward Kevin Campbell if this is true At all of it.

[Wengerland]

Please take Scowcroft.

[Oxstar]

Originally Posted by WWEngland Please take Scowcroft.

Damn it, I was waiting for you to reply and say he is a good player. I guess Scowcroft is worse than Shipperly. Relagated before the season starts Somebody say something positive about Palace before I go mad.

[Wengerland]

He just didn't have the best season last year, i wouldn't go as far as saying he's worse than Shipperley though .

I just want him to leave because he'd be holding back Canero from playing right midfield, which is where i'd like to see him.Also for the money, which could go towards signing Connolly or someone, or the Williams tribunal fee.

[Oxstar]

I always thought Scowcroft was a striker. Connolly is a brilliant player I still can't work out why Palace got Shipperly instead of Connolly. Williams is a good player too. Maybe Palace will sign them.

[Wengerland]

Williams has joined us from Forest already.

When we had Scowcroft as a right or left midfielder in division 1 last time it worked well, but not in the premiership.He did do quite well towards the end of the season though.If you used him as an out and out striker then he could link well with Johnson i suppose, he's just not very prolific.

[Oxstar]

Originally Posted by WWEngland Williams has joined us from Forest already.

Oh I never knew. I hope this Hungarian striker Sandor Torghelle is good, well he scored 2 goals against Germany so I guess he must be ok.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

David Connolly is a tosser

[Oxstar]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning David Connolly is a tosser

Neil Shipperly is a tosser, worse Palace player since Tomas Brolin.

[Rob Ban Fan]

Shipperly is a scummer. Derry wont cut it either. You'll need to just completly gut your squad and sign a shit load of new players.

Thats what we did and it worked.

[Wengerland]

Sir Les has gone to Bolton

I suppose it's money off the wage bill but it's still a big loss.

[Doink]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning You're saying Gareth Southgate is the equal of Maldini? THAT is what Robson was guilty of for so many years. If he'd kept his trap shut I'd have had no problem with him. No, it has to do with you lumping Robson in with the group of players you mentioned. By 'on his way' I thought you meant he was past his prime, so my bad there. But if you think he isn't already then Yet another difference of opinion. I can't see how you say Raul doesn't do it in major international competitions and yet still don't consider Zidane, who was won virtually everything in the modern game, to be world class. Maldini probably is better than the Wolves squad But that's not exactly a disgrace either.

last word on this, i never said southgate was the equal of maldini, if i had of done then i would have said add southgate to the list of pele etc but i didnt i said add maldini.

like i said previously id say at least 6 - 10 were genuine intrest in players when robson was manager which he followed up on. only thing is if there is a good player who may became available you get numourous managers saying they would be interested but have no follow up (example of this is young wayne rooney - how many managers have said they would like him since euro 2004)

i only mentioned robson as he was still a player when he came to us and we made him a player manager

also my bad about nedved as i could have worded it better, everyone has different opinions about players and i think Zidane is a good player again he is on his way to being world class but i still think he can be lazy and thats why i dont class him in that catagory YET. raul is famous for doing it in any competition for any club except spain at major competitions so that is why i dont class him as being WORLD class as he scores in friendly's but always lets you down in major competitions.

Maldini was quality and was also prob better than the boro squad!