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Old 01-23-2011, 05:03 AM   #1
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If I'm a Rays fan I think I'd rather have Manny in the field than Damon.
Damon has a terrible arm, but has speed and range at his disposal, has a general idea how to go about playing his position, and doesn't make mental mistakes. I'd take that over Manny's once average at best arm and no positives in those other categories.

Damon should probably be a designated hitter at this point in his career, but would need to play the field if he had a teammate who more needs to be a DH at this point in his career. Manny Ramirez is definitely one of those someones.

True story - Johnny Damon is closer to a Hall of Famer than most people realize. The 10 players through age 36 that his career lines most resemble include 4 Hall of Famers, Tim Raines (who probably should be one himself), and Pete Rose.
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I think I would rather have a ham sandwich in the field than either of them
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The Jays are going to spend the money on the draft since they have 7 of the first 80 picks. I doubt Bautista will make anywhere near as much as Wells since A.A throws money like he throws manhole covers.
 
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I've seen Damon make his fair share of mental mistakes in the field. I'm not really sure how they're gonna play it, though. Will they switch between DH/OF?
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Would be pretty hilarious to see Manny and Damon platoon LF.
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I wouldn't call Damon a HOF'er. He just seems like a guy who has kinda stuck around past his prime and accumulated stats rather than just flat out being dominant during his prime.

And Screech, you DO NOT want Manny in left field. Coming from a San Diego Padres fan who got to see Manny play left field for the Dodgers, he is absolutely horrendous. Not a good sight to see.

As for Bautista, I don't think one fluke year should earn him some huge contract. This is what got Riccardi in trouble. he handed Alex Rios and Wells these over bloated contracts for one elite offensive year and it came back to bite him and ultimately cost him his job.

If I'm the Jays, I see what Bautista does this year, and use it as a gage for the future. He's not going to hit 50 plus home runs. Every home run minus one went to left field. You would think he's going to get pounded on the outside third of the plate till he proves he can go with the pitch for power.
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I wouldn't call Damon a HOF'er. He just seems like a guy who has kinda stuck around past his prime and accumulated stats rather than just flat out being dominant during his prime.

And Screech, you DO NOT want Manny in left field. Coming from a San Diego Padres fan who got to see Manny play left field for the Dodgers, he is absolutely horrendous. Not a good sight to see.

As for Bautista, I don't think one fluke year should earn him some huge contract. This is what got Riccardi in trouble. he handed Alex Rios and Wells these over bloated contracts for one elite offensive year and it came back to bite him and ultimately cost him his job.

If I'm the Jays, I see what Bautista does this year, and use it as a gage for the future. He's not going to hit 50 plus home runs. Every home run minus one went to left field. You would think he's going to get pounded on the outside third of the plate till he proves he can go with the pitch for power.
Bautista is in arbitration right now so I imagine he'll get 1 year 10.5 mill, play out the year and A.A will go from there.
 
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Bautista is in arbitration right now so I imagine he'll get 1 year 10.5 mill, play out the year and A.A will go from there.
That's a good point. If Bautista has another good year, and I'm talking 30 plus homers, someone might buy into him and overpay the Jays in prospects. I think Bautista's biggest value for the Jays comes at the trade deadline if he continues to hit well.
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That's a good point. If Bautista has another good year, and I'm talking 30 plus homers, someone might buy into him and overpay the Jays in prospects. I think Bautista's biggest value for the Jays comes at the trade deadline if he continues to hit well.
I agree 100%. The Jays should be ready to make a run at around 2013. Bautista by all account should be tailing off. The Jays should deal him for some young position players.
 
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I agree 100%. The Jays should be ready to make a run at around 2013. Bautista by all account should be tailing off. The Jays should deal him for some young position players.
Could be even sooner considering the pitching pieces they still have. Ricky Romero, Brandon Morrow, Kyle Drabek (coming soon) etc. Not to mention, Arancibia looks like he's the guy this year, though he should've been getting Buck's ab's last September. They got a young shortstop who, if he changes his attitude, could blossom into a very good line drive hitter with solid d. It'll be interesting to see how the Jays do this year.
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I know Manny isn't great, but Damon is awful too. Almost a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation there.
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There's a lot more ground to cover in Tropicana than Fenway. Damon is better suited for there. Although Manny played better off the green monster better than anybody else has in a while.
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There's a lot more ground to cover in Tropicana than Fenway. Damon is better suited for there. Although Manny played better off the green monster better than anybody else has in a while.
Manny directly benefited from an almost impossible level of luck in regards to playing left at Fenway. He had a fairly ridiculous number of balls take improbable bounces right to him while an inexperienced, clueless or poor runner tried to stretch out a double. His immediate predecessor was Troy O'Leary, who played left substantially better. His immediate follow-up was Jason Bay, who committed all of one error in his year and a half in Boston (including a goose egg in '09) and who had nearly twice as many assists in '09 - mostly legit, non-wall aided assists at that - than Manny averaged during his time in Boston.

Manny being such a piss-poor overall outfielder and Johnny's spaghetti arm have to be one of the key reasons why many Red Sox fans continue to hold Trot Nixon in an insanely high regard. Nixon was certainly well above average defensively, but standing next to those two in the outfield, he looked like the next coming of Willie Mays.
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Manny directly benefited from an almost impossible level of luck in regards to playing left at Fenway. He had a fairly ridiculous number of balls take improbable bounces right to him while an inexperienced, clueless or poor runner tried to stretch out a double. His immediate predecessor was Troy O'Leary, who played left substantially better. His immediate follow-up was Jason Bay, who committed all of one error in his year and a half in Boston (including a goose egg in '09) and who had nearly twice as many assists in '09 - mostly legit, non-wall aided assists at that - than Manny averaged during his time in Boston.

Manny being such a piss-poor overall outfielder and Johnny's spaghetti arm have to be one of the key reasons why many Red Sox fans continue to hold Trot Nixon in an insanely high regard. Nixon was certainly well above average defensively, but standing next to those two in the outfield, he looked like the next coming of Willie Mays.
The funny thing about Jason Bay is that he is not considered a good outfielder. He's average at best from what I've gathered.

In Padres news, GM Jed Hoyer signed Jorge Cantu to a one year, $850,000 contract pending a physical. I love this signing. Gives the Padres a solid right handed bat off the bench who can cover 1st and 3rd base for guys who don't particularly hit well against LH pitching. Not to mention, the potential for the numbers he could produce is worth way more than $850k.

Looks like the biggest question mark for the Padres going into spring training is who gets the 5th spot in the rotation.
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Manny played so well off the monster because he just waited for the ball to come to him. Loved watching him play there.
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Adam LaRoche's little brother Andy goes to the A's on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training.

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Wow. Napoli couldn't even take his shoes off before A.A. flipped him.

But for Crazy Frank Francisco? Doesn't make sense.
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Wow. Napoli couldn't even take his shoes off before A.A. flipped him.

But for Crazy Frank Francisco? Doesn't make sense.
The Jays bullpen going into this season had Jon Rauch and Octavio Dotel battling for the closer spot. Not good. Plus, our only consistent arms left via free agency(Downs) and the bullpen sucked to begin with. Napoli was just going to take time away from Arencibia.
 
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The Rangers look like they're going to run away with the division. Again. Napoli is prob. gonna DH for them. With a returning middle infield that's only getting better, an upgrade at third in Beltre, and another year of Hamilton/Cruz in the OF, the Rangers are looking better and better.

My only question concerning them is where does Micheal Young play? Mitch Mooreland is surely their opening day first baseman. Can Young move to left, or is there another player blocking him there? Pretty nice problem for the Express and co. to have.
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Just read breifly that GM Brian Cashman expects Jeter to be in centerfield by the time his current deal runs out. I thought the outfield would be an option, but CENTERFIELD? His range is already dimished. Centerfield is a very range-driven position. I'd say a corner spot for the Captain is a more appropriate move when the time comes.
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ESPN had the stat that Jeter, while winning a Gold Glove, costs about 61 defensive runs in a season which is #1 worst in MLB and #1 worst in AL. Only reason they never moved Jeter from SS when they got A-Rod was due to potential fan backlash and they don't have anyone of a Jeter-quality to replace him at SS without upsetting Jeter.

Cashman also said Red Sox are better than the Yankees and that Mariano is the best Yankee he's seen during his time with the team (he's soured on Jeter last few years).
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First off let's be fair. Mariano Riveria is the best Yankee of Brian Cashman's era. Since when did Cashman grow a pair btw? He's been really quiet these last few years, and now for him to suddenly come out and say these things is rather interesting.

Also there is no way Jeter is going to move to Centerfield. That's never happening.
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Prolly just trying to steal focus from the Red Sox and Phillies. Notice how nobody's talked about them since Cashman opened his mouth.
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True. Or maybe they're just not getting along and Cashman's airing the dirty laundry? Either way it seems tense.
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Apparently the Red Sox tried to acquire Jose Bautista during the winter meetings, but an agreement was never reached which is what motivated them to sign Carl Crawford. I think the Red Sox are better off now, not that I'm opposed to the team having Bautista on the team, but having Bautista for possibly one season as opposed to Crawford for the next eight is no contest as to which makes them better off.
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Apparently the Red Sox tried to acquire Jose Bautista during the winter meetings, but an agreement was never reached which is what motivated them to sign Carl Crawford. I think the Red Sox are better off now, not that I'm opposed to the team having Bautista on the team, but having Bautista for possibly one season as opposed to Crawford for the next eight is no contest as to which makes them better off.
Crawford offers more value, in my opinion. He's a prototypical 2 hitter, and in that lineup and ballpark, is going to be dangerous. Bautista is a fluke as far as I'm concerned. if he goes out and hits another 30 HR while hitting around .250 I'll give him some more credit but one year does not equal a trend.

Back to the Yanks and Jetes...maybe Cashman is tired of being dragged around. he takes an awful lot of abuse in the media, and anytime the team doesn't win, it comes down to him with the blame. Though he should be held responsible to an extent, it's not as if he's the one out there playing.

Jeter at shortstop is horrendous. He has to be one of the most overrated defensive players in the last 10 years. The gold glove is a joke voted on by managers. If you're popular, as Jeter is around the league, then you will win the award.

I'm sure the COULD HAVE found a better option at short, but have chosen not to. That could come back to hurt them in the end. ARod should have been at short from day one. Fan backlash can piss off. ARod was by far the better player on both sides of the ball.

Oh well. I think Jeter will get moved to LF or RF by 2013 and the Yankees will have either traded for or signed a better defensive option.
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Crawford offers more value, in my opinion. He's a prototypical 2 hitter, and in that lineup and ballpark, is going to be dangerous. Bautista is a fluke as far as I'm concerned. if he goes out and hits another 30 HR while hitting around .250 I'll give him some more credit but one year does not equal a trend.

Back to the Yanks and Jetes...maybe Cashman is tired of being dragged around. he takes an awful lot of abuse in the media, and anytime the team doesn't win, it comes down to him with the blame. Though he should be held responsible to an extent, it's not as if he's the one out there playing.

Jeter at shortstop is horrendous. He has to be one of the most overrated defensive players in the last 10 years. The gold glove is a joke voted on by managers. If you're popular, as Jeter is around the league, then you will win the award.

I'm sure the COULD HAVE found a better option at short, but have chosen not to. That could come back to hurt them in the end. ARod should have been at short from day one. Fan backlash can piss off. ARod was by far the better player on both sides of the ball.

Oh well. I think Jeter will get moved to LF or RF by 2013 and the Yankees will have either traded for or signed a better defensive option.
I'd rather give Nunez a shot. Eduardo Nunez was the kid who did a good job at third base while A-rod was out. I think A-rod got hurt and Nunez took third base. He is said to have high hopes at Shortstop and the Yankees have high hopes for him. He was kinda the differance maker in the Cliff Lee trade they asked for Montero AND Nunez and the Yankees said no. Now, had they caved and traded both of them Yankees may have gotten Cliff Lee last year.

It all depends on what happens the Yanks have gotten ourselves into a hole. They may need to make a Blockbuster trade at the deadline. And if they do and Nunez has to be traded then so be it. But , at this point I say we use him when/if Jeter moves to the outfield.
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I'd rather give Nunez a shot. Eduardo Nunez was the kid who did a good job at third base while A-rod was out. I think A-rod got hurt and Nunez took third base. He is said to have high hopes at Shortstop and the Yankees have high hopes for him. He was kinda the differance maker in the Cliff Lee trade they asked for Montero AND Nunez and the Yankees said no. Now, had they caved and traded both of them Yankees may have gotten Cliff Lee last year.

It all depends on what happens the Yanks have gotten ourselves into a hole. They may need to make a Blockbuster trade at the deadline. And if they do and Nunez has to be traded then so be it. But , at this point I say we use him when/if Jeter moves to the outfield.
Just looked up Nunez' minor league numbers. He's not very impressive. At all. Doesn't draw a ton of walks, has zero punch in his bat, and his OBP is very reliant on his batting average. I don't think he's the answer long term. He's only 23, and will be 24 this year, so there's a chance, but I don't think he's going to be anything more than a light-hitting utitlity guy at best.
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Just looked up Nunez' minor league numbers. He's not very impressive. At all. Doesn't draw a ton of walks, has zero punch in his bat, and his OBP is very reliant on his batting average. I don't think he's the answer long term. He's only 23, and will be 24 this year, so there's a chance, but I don't think he's going to be anything more than a light-hitting utitlity guy at best.
Granted, he may need some progress. And I'm just judging him from what his Major League appearance was. He was there for 30 games and he was pretty good for the injured A-rod. I wanna see what he can do in a full season instead of just 30 games. I don't think there's any short stop I really want. That's not gonna cost a fortune.

Andrus : He will never be traded I am pretty confident of that.

Hanley: As much as I like him and he's still young

I think different then you do. IMHO Ramiro Pena is a light hitting utility guy nothing more. It's not that I don't want a good shortstop it's just that good young short stops aren't very easy to come by. We have a few short stop choices. And Jeter won't be going to the out field this year and maybe not even next. I think in a couple of years he will be a suitable replacement. A lot of progress can happen in a few years. But, like I said if he and Ivan Nove and/or Montero need to be traded for a starter then so be it. I think we'd be fine with Sanchez and Romine. Sanchez I don't think is ready yet though. He's only like 19.
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Yankees sign Bartolo Colon to minor league deal.

Really? Why are we picking up everyone who was good 12 years ago?
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Which one are you talking about? Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, or Posada?
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