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Old 05-13-2005, 03:30 PM   #4921
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but sadly, won't be that easy. i don't think the fight is over by a long stretch yet though.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:38 PM   #4922
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so Malcom Glazer wants to buy a team. What's the fuss about? I don't seem to understand...
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but sadly, won't be that easy. i don't think the fight is over by a long stretch yet though.
It pretty much is.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:55 PM   #4924
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Anyone see the report on Channel Four just? Reporter saying about how Glazer has borrowed 265m (or something) against Manchester United' s assets, and a further 200 odd million not against it, but it will be all transferred onto the club once he gets a 75% shareholding. The guy then questioned how he is going to make the loan repayments back (apparently 20 million per year) and saying that the only real way in which he can say the money being generated (or near the amount) is by (as said before here) ripping up the TV agreement when it runs out, or more seriously, trying to take us into a European superleague. Ended the report by saying all the fans of other clubs crowing about the fall of Manchester United, may well find that Glazer could bankrupt many clubs in the Premiership.

took that from redissue forums.
Wild exaggeration.

The EU are going to end the Premiership TV cartel, anyway, at some point. They've been pushing for it to happen. The British government might be able to step in and keep the situation as is, in the public interest, however. Either way, Glazer doesn't have much control over either. He will push for it, but if he achieves it, it would have happened regardless of his intervention. Manchester United plc. has always been about making money.

The European Superleague is unfeasible and wouldn't sell. I firmly believe that.

Glazer could also make his money back by increasing revenue in the North American market, potentially worth billions. He's not stupid, he'll leave the running of the football side of the club to the board and Alex Ferguson, because Manchester United is the best run club in the world and there is no need to change that.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:58 PM   #4925
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It pretty much is.
Not at all, there are plenty of people about who are planning to disrupt matches, ambush shops of our sponsers, blockade entrances and have us kicked out of europe, playing behind closed doors, and all of that will put a huge dent in his pocket.
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Old 05-13-2005, 04:02 PM   #4926
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No, they'll all be arrested within one activity, banned from travelling through Europe, and there'll be no Manchester Liberation Organisation any longer.
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Old 05-13-2005, 04:13 PM   #4927
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I don't know. Maybe you're right, it's impossible to tell at this stage, but I'd keep your eyes open because something pretty big will happen. The fact Joel Glazer is dumb enough to request a directors box at Old Trafford to watch the matches from should tell you that something is. A large number of people would have him and his father dead without second thought. 70 fans or so stormed some JP Morgan or Rothschild event last night too and made their thoughts known, along with handing some headbutts out to a couple of gobby Chelsea supporters, which made my day a little better, I have to admit.
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Jesus Christ the Mask, how will the disrupt matches, other then phoning up with a bomb scare every week, fans can't do fuck all. They can erect fences around the pitch to stop people going on it, get more security and more CCTV, search people before they go in. As for the sponsors shops, that is completely laughable, your fans want to go to jail to piss of the sponsors, how are the fans gunna have the last laugh exactly.

You lot are bluffing again, FORM A NEW TEAM, KILL GLAZER AND HIS FAMILY, DISRUPT IT ALL AND GO TO JAIL.

Fuck off, you won't do shit, all talk, all talk.
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Old 05-13-2005, 04:25 PM   #4929
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so Malcom Glazer wants to buy a team. What's the fuss about? I don't seem to understand...
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Old 05-13-2005, 04:49 PM   #4930
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Ferret, you wont understand, only United fans do. I could see there point if things were gunna change in a bad way. Like ECG said they were run by businessmen before and still are. United fans just dont like the idea that the money from sales goes to Glazers pocket
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So it's going to Glazer's pocket now instead of whoever used to own them. Either way it's going in some rich guys pants. Do they just not like the thought of an American getting the money instead of whoever it is now? That's silly.
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It is partly to do with him being a yank yes. But previously money raised always went straight back into the club and wasn't pocketed, it is now.
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Old 05-13-2005, 05:28 PM   #4934
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I don't know. Maybe you're right, it's impossible to tell at this stage, but I'd keep your eyes open because something pretty big will happen. The fact Joel Glazer is dumb enough to request a directors box at Old Trafford to watch the matches from should tell you that something is. A large number of people would have him and his father dead without second thought. 70 fans or so stormed some JP Morgan or Rothschild event last night too and made their thoughts known, along with handing some headbutts out to a couple of gobby Chelsea supporters, which made my day a little better, I have to admit.
It's laughable to suggest a small group of Manchester United fans could cause too much disruption. Even if they do start this campaign, it'd quickly turn back on them and only harm their cause.

Joel Glazer is hardly being "dumb" by requesting a director's box. He will probably be over-seeing the running of the club, so he should be a visual presence there. He'll be fairly safe. DO you really think some jobless dickhead Man U fan will be able to get near a multi-millionaire who probably has the best security money can buy as a matter of course?

The vast, vast majority of fans are ordinary people with families, who cannot afford to get themselves arrested over some stupid, meaningless crusade over a football club they lost to the corporate world years ago.
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I guess the supporters will have to put their prawn sandwiches down and kick up a fuss. The papers totally overreact to the take over, I'd love to see Man United put down a peg or two but Malcolm Glazer isn't an idiot. I'm sure he'll borrow and put the club in debt but at the end of the day he'll want success and the money it brings. He's offering £20 million for the transfer kitty every year, that's decent enough. Fans with big mouths, kill the fat cunt or shut your mouth. I hope Terry Christian gets assasinated already.
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It's laughable to suggest a small group of Manchester United fans could cause too much disruption. Even if they do start this campaign, it'd quickly turn back on them and only harm their cause.

Joel Glazer is hardly being "dumb" by requesting a director's box. He will probably be over-seeing the running of the club, so he should be a visual presence there. He'll be fairly safe. DO you really think some jobless dickhead Man U fan will be able to get near a multi-millionaire who probably has the best security money can buy as a matter of course?

The vast, vast majority of fans are ordinary people with families, who cannot afford to get themselves arrested over some stupid, meaningless crusade over a football club they lost to the corporate world years ago.
I don't think one jobless dickhead could, no. I imagine a few people could though. And people feel like they have nothing to lose at this point. We made have been lost to the corporate world long ago, but there are still traditions to fight for, and nobody here is willing to accept a McTrafford, unlike other clubs. This is like trying to fix something that isn't broke by taking a hammer to it. I don't doubt for a minute Glazer knows how to make money, but when ticket prices are hiked to the point the working class fans can no long afford to watch us play, then it's not our club anymore. that's why people are still fighting for it. Not because we're going to be a shit team, but because of the traditions and those that died for the club.
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Old 05-13-2005, 07:18 PM   #4937
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I guess the supporters will have to put their prawn sandwiches down and kick up a fuss. The papers totally overreact to the take over, I'd love to see Man United put down a peg or two but Malcolm Glazer isn't an idiot. I'm sure he'll borrow and put the club in debt but at the end of the day he'll want success and the money it brings. He's offering £20 million for the transfer kitty every year, that's decent enough. Fans with big mouths, kill the fat cunt or shut your mouth. I hope Terry Christian gets assasinated already.
20m is fuck all in this day and age. We have an aging midfield to replace, a somewhat shit defense and a revolving door of goalkeepers to contend with. On top of that, it looks like the players we do sign are going to start getting threatened by the russian mafia. 20m a season isn't going to get us near to Chelsea or the european cup.
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You were no where near Chelsea or the European Cup this season without Glazer.
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Exactly, so what the fuck is 20m a season going to help us?
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You wouldn't have 20 million without him you sye, you used your whole budget on Rooney, apparently.
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yeah, this season. I can live with that, even though chances are it was a front to stop clubs trying to fleece us. Glazer's deal is 20m a season for 5 seasons.
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I couldn't see Benitez getting more than £20 million. So there you go the top three teams will probably be getting that. Apart from Chelsea of course but that's because Abramovic is a rich benefactor with money to burn, while other teams actually need a business model and somehow make profits for the future. If you're expecting Glazer to give you £150 million for a new goalkeeper, defense, midfield and a good forward then you're mad. At the end of the day the working class roots in football has gone out the window for the top teams, most Man United fans aren't even from Manchester. When Rooney is getting £70k a week, it's hard to feel sorry that some fat American wants to make life difficult. Just buy the fucking ticket and t-shirt, or support someone else. Not for sale? By Monday, it's done.
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JP Morgan bankers were enjoying a quiet dinner at the Manchester Art Gallery on Thursday night after the first day of the National Association of Pension Funds conference when three dozen Manchester United fans stormed the room. Chanting and singing, they overturned bottles and poured wine over dinner jackets. There was no violence except against Henry Tapper, head of sales at Zurich, who burst into a Chelsea football song and was promptly head-butted.

Fortunately, his only injury was a split lip. One of the guests, Tommy Docherty, the former Manchester United manager, restored calm by telling the gatecrashers to leave. Most obeyed but there were still a few stragglers to arrest when police arrived. JP Morgan, which is backing Malcolm Glazer's bid for Man U, declined to comment. However, the bank is so scared about staff safety it has removed its stand from the conference. Fans 1, JP Morgan Nil.
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Yeah don't get me wrong if I was a Man United fan then I'd be pretty pissed off too. However the thailand cunts weren't going to get a majority share and then again we're still looking for someone to buy us out so we can buy a new stadium and have a bit of transer kitty. That's the way it goes now in football, emigrates stadium and all that bollocks. You have to sell out to the foriegn market so you can actually try and compete. If you're lucky though you get someone decent, if you don't and you get some rich american blob who likes to pretend he came from the gutter but really he came from a millionaire. Not to mention he's saving up to be jewish, worth half a billion wearing $20 pants and flying economy I'd be pretty fucking worried. As for claiming I'd try and stop it or I'd stop supporting the club, I'd give it a chance first because there's nothing else you can do.
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I don't think Glazer is the type of guy a you can intimidate to get your own way. He's not worried about a few rebel fans getting in his way. He's a smart business man and all these guys are doing is making it worse. He'll get his majority share by Monday so what you going to rebel against then when it's all over. The ground might get sold and the club may plunge into debt but you'll still get more transfer money than you would have. I'm sure in his mind he'll make a billion in America and Man U will be the biggest on the planet. The time for a few idiots headbutting people is over, it's either put up or shut up. All they proved is that they're a bunch of thugs and they're getting arrested. Promptly banned from any Man U future matches, ripped up season ticket, then we'll see how many people will risk it. I have no problem guessing a few guys might be psychopaths but how many really has the balls to go through with it. The majority Man U fan is on his arm chair living miles away from Manchester, I'm sure he'll let them take all the risks and at the end of the day just live with it
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Old 05-14-2005, 08:52 AM   #4948
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just curious, how come you're after buying a new stadium, can you not expand anfield any more or something? personally I'd be gutted if we moved away from old trafford.
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Old 05-14-2005, 09:39 AM   #4949
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Old 05-14-2005, 10:25 AM   #4950
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that was a great playoff match between west ham and ipswich. Can't wait for the second leg. come on the ipswich!

Also, with the glazer situation, i don't understand how he can transfer his debt to the club, surely theres some ruling against that. It seems barely legal
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Old 05-14-2005, 10:42 AM   #4951
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It's a PLC there's always a possibility that somebody can do this. I don't see what the fuss is about.
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Old 05-14-2005, 10:57 AM   #4952
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Old 05-14-2005, 11:01 AM   #4953
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Old 05-14-2005, 11:31 AM   #4954
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JP Morgan bankers were enjoying a quiet dinner at the Manchester Art Gallery on Thursday night after the first day of the National Association of Pension Funds conference when three dozen Manchester United fans stormed the room. Chanting and singing, they overturned bottles and poured wine over dinner jackets. There was no violence except against Henry Tapper, head of sales at Zurich, who burst into a Chelsea football song and was promptly head-butted.

Fortunately, his only injury was a split lip. One of the guests, Tommy Docherty, the former Manchester United manager, restored calm by telling the gatecrashers to leave. Most obeyed but there were still a few stragglers to arrest when police arrived. JP Morgan, which is backing Malcolm Glazer's bid for Man U, declined to comment. However, the bank is so scared about staff safety it has removed its stand from the conference. Fans 1, JP Morgan Nil.
Henry Tapper, what a guy, he would back their bid if he's a Chelsea fan
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Old 05-14-2005, 11:46 AM   #4955
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Old 05-14-2005, 06:01 PM   #4956
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hahaha my birthday was FUCKING awesome

on the way back to the car we're queuing up to pay for the parking ticket and I recognise the person standing RIGHT next to me...

"'scuse me..."
"yes?"
"Toddy?"
"sorry?"
"Toddy?"
"yes"
*shakes hand*
"could you sign my birthday card?"
"sure, how old are you?"
"18...anyone got a pen?" at this point i dropped my birthday cake but i dont care, im talking to Toddy
*about 10 people look for pens and say "no"*
"bollocks"
at this point Toddy does the greatest thing ever...fucks his missus off to get a pen out of the car to sign my card
"so...hows the knee?"
"its good"
"gonna be back next season?"
"yes"
"gonna be back for pre season?"
"yes"
"we went to Alan Knight's testimonial match last night hoping to see you but you didnt play"
"haha no"
"not lost the touch then?"
"haha no!"
my mum took my picture with him and his missus comes back with a pen
"whats your name?"
at this point I was tempted to say "its in the card you fucking moron" but needless to say I didnt
"Owen"
he seemed to be struggling with the spelling here but he then realised it was in the card, copied it and signed it. Then I shook his hand and we went out seperate ways.
Then my mum was like:
"was he Russian?"
"...well Bulgarian"
"will he be playing tomorrow?"
"no, he's injured."
"he didn't look injured to me."
"well, he is."
"whats wrong with him?"
"torn anterior cruciate ligament."
...fucking women
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Old 05-14-2005, 06:04 PM   #4957
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thats Toddy by the way

I bet Dazz tells some gay story now about how he met Tore Andre Flo or how his dad practiced free kicks with Zola.

Well I got news for you Mantle before you start, NO ONE CARES.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:03 PM   #4958
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lol happy birthday Owen don't listen to that Chelsea bastard.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:16 PM   #4959
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lol
happy birthday owen
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Old 05-14-2005, 08:04 PM   #4960
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It sounds as amazing as that time I met Sinbad in the pub

Enjoy your birthday and your sweaty Bulgarian autograph
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