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Old 05-12-2005, 11:29 AM   #4881
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Old 05-12-2005, 11:42 AM   #4882
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Old 05-12-2005, 11:44 AM   #4883
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Too much spamming here ffs, i remember a while back Sid saying this was the best thread in history or something, cause it had the most replies bar the "what are you listening to?" thread, but this one didn't just have one liners. Seems to be pretty much heading that way and i know i've done it a few times aswell, but come on, if you're going to post one-liners at least make them about a bit of news or whatever.

As for the Glazer thing, i don't know much about his plans or how it will affect it really, but, as it is, it seems as though quite a lot of United fans are being priced out of going to Old Trafford so i imagine that those who are generally passionate for the club and go to matches will be priced out too. They're not the best home support anyway, so that won't change and Glazer would only get a limited input on away prices, so the fans who travel should be alright in keeping their good rep, at least for singing, getting atmosphere's e.t.c.
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:44 PM   #4884
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Now we see the United fans bullshit, new team my fucking arse.

I like it, and this almost certainly means the super league will be formed within five years time, who will pioneer it though, Abramovich/Kenyon or Glazier? That's the only question.
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:25 PM   #4885
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I've still no idea what everyones terrified of tbh. He hasn't bought the club to run it into the ground and hes a successful buisness man.
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:27 PM   #4886
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Oh yeah, Pearce has got the Man City job, that was pretty obvious though, given how well he's done up to now.

Crouch and Carson get their first call ups for this US tour, Carrick is back in for the first time since 2001. Rather have Heskey myself, and i'd have liked to have seen Hibbert called up.
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:31 PM   #4887
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Hopefully Glazer was choke on a hamburger sooner rather than later.
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Doens't matter if he does Rob, his sons are gunna run the business apparently.
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Old 05-12-2005, 01:49 PM   #4889
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@ Glazer, apparently he's gonna have a 91% share in the club and drive out the remaining shareholders, and then transfer his debt onto the club or some shit. UNLUCKY

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Old 05-12-2005, 02:02 PM   #4890
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'United Shareholders' was set up by the fans to stop a total take over, and they own 17% of United right now, so the fans have gotta pump shitloads of money in over the next couple of days or Glazer will get there first.
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As for the Glazer thing, i don't know much about his plans or how it will affect it really, but, as it is, it seems as though quite a lot of United fans are being priced out of going to Old Trafford so i imagine that those who are generally passionate for the club and go to matches will be priced out too. They're not the best home support anyway, so that won't change and Glazer would only get a limited input on away prices, so the fans who travel should be alright in keeping their good rep, at least for singing, getting atmosphere's e.t.c.
Apparently Manchester Utd's ticket prices are amongst the lowest in the Premiership so I dunno what they were complaining about before. If this bid drives prices up then fair enough but I gather they've been round about the lowest for years.
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what the fuck has Carson done to deserve a call up? Not good enough to play for Leeds' first team but good enough for England? Ok.

Id rather have Ian Walker, atleast he's playing regularly for his team.
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:53 PM   #4893
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I've still no idea what everyones terrified of tbh. He hasn't bought the club to run it into the ground and hes a successful buisness man.
that's the point. prices will go up, there's every chance the stadium will be renamed to bring in extra cash, we're going to have a smaller transfer kitty from now on, so we're not going to be able to compete with chelsea at all. absolutely gutted.
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:55 PM   #4894
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Oh right, i admit i didn't really know so it was an assumption on my part, didn't think the atmosphere would be so poor if they had decent prices.
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:57 PM   #4895
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Most clubs in this country would be glad to be taken over by a billionaire. Some clubs are going into administration and you're throwing a hissy fit cos a billionaire bought your club? What makes this guy so special that everyone thinks he's gonna drive them into the ground? He turned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from a joke of a team to the Superbowl champions and apparently is generally liked by their fans.

I'm as confused as Ogen.

If you float your club on the stock exchange and then run it as a very good business (as Man U have) then your asking to attract take over bids - you're a PLC for fucks sake.
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United won't have any less money then if he didn't take over, I love Glazer.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:38 PM   #4897
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Most clubs in this country would be glad to be taken over by a billionaire. Some clubs are going into administration and you're throwing a hissy fit cos a billionaire bought your club? What makes this guy so special that everyone thinks he's gonna drive them into the ground? He turned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from a joke of a team to the Superbowl champions and apparently is generally liked by their fans.

I'm as confused as Ogen.

If you float your club on the stock exchange and then run it as a very good business (as Man U have) then your asking to attract take over bids - you're a PLC for fucks sake.
He isn't using his own money so it doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. It's totally different from Abramovic buying Chelsea. He'll be gone in 5 years. We probably will be too though.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:41 PM   #4898
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what is USA doing? Is Freddy Adu going to be playing? Or Cobi Jones? Or Brian McBride?
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Well when he takes Sky to court to quash the existing TV deal so he can get Man United their own deal and when he starts taking players from other clubs in court making transfer fees redundent and thus killing off other clubs I hope you love him then too.
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:34 PM   #4900
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what the fuck has Carson done to deserve a call up? Not good enough to play for Leeds' first team but good enough for England? Ok.

Id rather have Ian Walker, atleast he's playing regularly for his team.
Carson has done a solid job though, Ian Walker is past his prime. Remember these games are just nothing, better to have a future England number one than a guy past his sell by date. I know you're probably biased, but so am I. He made that one mistake against juventus, tonnes of potential though. He's all good.l
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:46 PM   #4901
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How many games has Carson played? How many goals did he flog? He isn't even Liverpool's number 1.
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why would I be biased? Im a Portsmouth fan. I have no personal feelings one way or the other about Carson, he's never played for Southampton.

Rob Green is shit too but atleast he's playing regularly.
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Well when he takes Sky to court to quash the existing TV deal so he can get Man United their own deal and when he starts taking players from other clubs in court making transfer fees redundent and thus killing off other clubs I hope you love him then too.
Chelsea will beat ManYoo to killing off the game, the FA are too blind to see anything, it's an accident waiting to happen.

Carson has playued for the under 21's and I remember he made a big mistake then, but overall he seems good. Green is inconsistant but he can be terrific.
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Yeah Glazer took the Bucs to the Superbowl, and in the 2 seasons after that they are shit again
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what the fuck has Carson done to deserve a call up? Not good enough to play for Leeds' first team but good enough for England? Ok.
He's a good, fairly solid young keeper, and is definetly one for the future, I don't see exactly what the problem is with Sven taking a look at another young English keeper on a tour which hardly means very much. One for the future, and at least he isn't as injury prone as Kirkland.

My only thought is why has he been called up but Carragher and Gerrard haven't? Surely Carson's gonna be in Istanbul as well.
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AND, I should add this as I thought about it just after I posted

The fact that Carragher has had such a phenomenally good season, and is probably not going on this tour is a real shame. Even though the tour is practically meaningless, it would've given Sven a chance to have a real look at the 2nd best defender in the country this season.

On the Glazer issue, I don't think it'll be as bad news for some Premiership clubs as some think. I realise that Glazer will probably want to scrub the Sky deal, but I don't think it'll have as huge effect. If anything, it'll do the lower placed clubs better, because United are on TV more than any other team, so the games that United would've been in will be spread around to other teams, which will allow teams to get more sponsorship and slightly more TV money. In theory. Of course the other theory is that if United pull out, sides with big support like Liverpool and Newcastle will do the same, have there own TV channels, make a lot of money, and cripple the smaller clubs.

At the end of the day though, United have paid the price for floating on the stock exchange. Glazer has, regardless of the ethics of a football club, done what any good businessman can do, and while its sad (for United fans at least) that this situation has arisen, it had to be expected that someone would use the stock exchange for their own devices in a football club, one day.
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Whens Kirkland back?
God knows.

He had back surgery a while back, so it doesn't look like he'll play again this season. I've gotta be honest, as great as he is, I don't really want a guy who is so injury prone in goal. Lack of continuity can really hurt a teams defence, and we've sorted ours out since Dudek has been in goal regularly.
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Well I hope Dudek brings his A game with him.

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Dear Soccer fans,

As you all know, I've been looking to buy the United's of Manchester for a little while now. I've also heard that some of you may not be too happy about me using, sorry, buying the club in order to reach new heights and also that I may not be a fan. Well fear not, as I'm writing this personal letter to let you know that i'm a genuine fan of you Blue Devils.

I began rooting for the United's back in 1992 when our little Malcolm Jr. was practising his soccer home runs out in the yard. I loved the way you turned defence into offence, and the way that Bobby Shearer used to top-half it into the goal bag. Oh man, that play was hot. My son tells me that you even out-zoned your city rivals Southampton in the 4th quarter of the FA World Series. As for your current team, that Rude guy is awesome! I see a profitable future at the United, with the young talent of Cristiano Rooney (man, that guy can dance!) and Peter Shilton giving us hope in defeating the evil Russian tyranny which assaults the freedom of our beloved soccer. With the marketing potential of those Neville brothers and that Pearce dude leading the team, we can all look to acheiving our beliefs of a better future. Especially when I add Alexei Lalas and Cobi Jones to the starting 15.

Now to you, the fans.

I've been to see the United's play once before, and the respect you pay your team in silently admiring the play out on the pitch was overwhelming. Because of this, I've just purchased a new GBP45m mansion in the Manchester to be close to you guys. And more good news is I'm planning to add an extra 10,000 seats through corporate boxes so more genuine Blue Devils can experience the play. What's with the prawn sandwiches I had to eat when I was there? Well, rest assured - it'll be Super Size prawn baguettes when I take charge. I can't wait to come over to the Manchester Isles as I love the country, especially the beaches and the hot chicks. I hope you can all see my vision of this future, with new shirt sponsors (Dunkin' Donuts) and new team name (The Manchester Gloom) iIm sure things are looking bright.

*Further good news for you guys is that I've just agreed a partnership deal with McDonalds, who will help in promoting the Manchester brand. This will involve re-naming the stadium to 'McTrafford' as well as an exciting launch of Manchester Gloom plastic fan toys in every happy meal. Cristiano Rooney will be the face of this campaign and during this, he will be marketed globally as Roonald McDonald.


Take care dudes.

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He's a good, fairly solid young keeper, and is definetly one for the future, I don't see exactly what the problem is with Sven taking a look at another young English keeper on a tour which hardly means very much. One for the future, and at least he isn't as injury prone as Kirkland.

My only thought is why has he been called up but Carragher and Gerrard haven't? Surely Carson's gonna be in Istanbul as well.
well if he wanted to take a look at a young keeper, why not Lee Camp? Atleast he's played regular first team football this season. Plus he's done well and theres a good chance he'll be a Premiership #1 next season.
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Most clubs in this country would be glad to be taken over by a billionaire. Some clubs are going into administration and you're throwing a hissy fit cos a billionaire bought your club? What makes this guy so special that everyone thinks he's gonna drive them into the ground? He turned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from a joke of a team to the Superbowl champions and apparently is generally liked by their fans.

I'm as confused as Ogen.

If you float your club on the stock exchange and then run it as a very good business (as Man U have) then your asking to attract take over bids - you're a PLC for fucks sake.
he's about half a billion short of being a billionaire. once he gains full control of the club, his debts (about 300m) become ours. He's giving us a transfer kitty of 20m a season, which does fuck all to help us compete with Chelsea in the premier league, or any of europes elite either.

This from The Mirror on some of the changes Glazer made at Tampa Bay when he took control of their 'football' team.

New colours?

The Buccaneers played in a gaudy orange-red-and-white outfit, but two years into Glazer's ownership, changed to a more serious red and "pewter".

United can expect: Out with the red-and-white, in with red and pewter - a colour that designers acknowledge will look great with jeans.


New club logo?

Along with the new colours, the Bucs ditched their slightly camp laughing cavalier logo and opted for a red pirate flag.


United can expect: No more boring club crest. Red Devil will be the key element on the new, modern logo.

New stadium?


One year after the new colours and logo, the Bucs jumped to a new stadium, complete with a life-size pirate galleon and firing cannons. United can expect: Glazer might be ugly, but he's not stupid. Old Trafford is the biggest club stadium in the country, and will remain that way. But it will cost a lot more to buy a ticket.

New manager?


Coach Sam Wyche was given a season to prove his worth after Glazer took over and was then fired. His replacement, Tony Dungy, was also dispensed with.

United can expect: Sir Alex Ferguson will not be impressed with a man who knows nothing of football. Glazer's arrival can only speed his exit.

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From The Independent
Malcolm Glazer yesterday seized control of Manchester United with a takeover bid which values the club at almost £800m.


Glazer, the Florida-based owner of the American football club Tampa Bay Buccaneers, realised his long-cherished dream - and made many fans' worst nightmare a reality - after snapping up the 28.7 per cent stake owned by Cubic Expression, the investment vehicle of the Irish horseracing duo J P McManus and John Magnier. That took the Glazer family shareholding to 56.9 per cent. By last night the American billionaire had raised his stake further to around 70 per cent, putting him well on the way to complete control.

The coup that handed Cubic's shares to Glazer could have huge repercussions not only for United but for the whole of English football.


From being a debt-free, profitable company, United will become laden with more than £500m of debt, in various forms, within a matter of weeks. If Glazer's takeover goes to plan, no fans will own any of their club or have any say in how it is run.

The future of the board, not least the chief executive David Gill, looks increasingly insecure. Insiders in the Glazer camp are already indicating that directors who took an "over my dead body stance" towards Glazer will be especially vulnerable.


Sir Alex Ferguson's future will also be thrown into doubt. The United manager stated unequivocally last November that he and the supporters "don't want the club to be in anyone else's hands." That alone is unlikely to earn him the sack, but it certainly will not help if on-pitch performance does not improve.

A Glazer buy-out will also have knock-on effects for the wider game. It is widely accepted that the 76-year-old sees television income as a potential growth area, but only if United can sell their TV rights themselves, instead of collectively. If Glazer successfully lobbies for the break-up of the collective TV deal - and the European Commission would probably support him - the landscape of wealth distribution will fundamentally change.


Shortly after the Cubic deal, Rothschilds, Glazer's financial adviser, bought the 6.5 per cent stake in United owned by the Scottish mining entrepreneur Harry Dobson and a further six to seven per cent of the stock from City institutions. The Glazer offer is worth 300p-a-share, valuing United at £790m. A formal offer document will be sent shortly to the club's remaining shareholders, but last night the takeover battle looked to be all over bar the shouting.

Glazer had been given a deadline by the City's Takeover Panel of next Tuesday to either "put up or shut up" in his quest to win control of the club.


The breakthrough came when the Irish duo agreed to sell their 75.7m shares unconditionally to Glazer in a phone call during Wednesday.

Magnier and McManus received the money in their bank account yesterday morning, and their shares officially became Glazer's. The Irishmen made an estimated profit of £80m on their shares. It is understood that Glazer borrowed the money from bankers in America and Britain who specialise in high-risk loans.

At 50.1 per cent or more, Glazer has the power to sack the entire United board. But the key figure to reach is 75 per cent control. This will enable Glazer to delist the shares and pass special resolutions to force through a controversial debt refinancing of the club.


If Glazer lifts his stake to more than 90 per cent he can compulsorily purchase all remaining shares, wiping out any last resistance to his takeover.

The United board, led by Sir Roy Gardner, its chief executive, has refused to recommend a Glazer takeover because of the "aggressive" way it is being financed. It will result in United having more than £500m of debt which it will have to repay from revenues.


Should the Glazer camp succeed in raising its stake above 75 per cent, then the United board will still not recommend the offer but will reluctantly advise remaining shareholders to accept the bid. "At that point, resistance would become futile," said one adviser. Anyone still holding shares would only be doing so for the nuisance value."

If Glazer falls short of the 90 per cent target, he will still have to send out an annual report to the minority shareholders and convene an Annual General Meeting, at which they could vent their spleen.


As fans gathered for an anti-Glazer protest at Old Trafford last night, the campaigning group Shareholders United expressed outrage that Cubic had sold up. "We feel completely betrayed by John Magnier and J P McManus," said the SU vice-chairman, Oliver Houston. "They said they were long-term investors, but they have taken the 30 pieces of silver offered by Malcolm Glazer."

Magnier made a further profit at York racecourse yesterday, where he watched two of his horses win on the Knavesmire. In trademark style, the Irishman wore a brown trilby and had his half-moon spectacles perched bookishly low on his nose. Also typically, he had little to say when asked about his latest business dealing. "I really don't have anything to add. Let's talk about horses now."


Fans' groups are already plotting to destabilise Glazer, with threats of a breakaway club, a boycott of season tickets and merchandise, and a "direct action" campaign against him personally. He may have won his battle for control.

But the war for the soul of United has only just begun.
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Anyone see the report on Channel Four just? Reporter saying about how Glazer has borrowed 265m (or something) against Manchester United' s assets, and a further 200 odd million not against it, but it will be all transferred onto the club once he gets a 75% shareholding. The guy then questioned how he is going to make the loan repayments back (apparently 20 million per year) and saying that the only real way in which he can say the money being generated (or near the amount) is by (as said before here) ripping up the TV agreement when it runs out, or more seriously, trying to take us into a European superleague. Ended the report by saying all the fans of other clubs crowing about the fall of Manchester United, may well find that Glazer could bankrupt many clubs in the Premiership.

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grr Someone explain this USA thing to me. What is it exactly, Malcom Glazer bought a team? Give me the details, I can't understand you bloody Eastern Hemisphere Talk.
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The Uefa executive committee have reiterated that clubs heavily in debt to banks will not be allowed to play in European competition in 2007/2008.
Although it is perhaps unlikely the ruling will have any impact on Manchester United in the wake of Malcolm Glazer's attemped takeover, their licence could be reviewed under the new guidelines.
It could mean United being told they could not compete in the UEFA Champions League, the continent's most lucrative competition.
"The idea is to make the regulations more progressive, but it will not be possible to impose a limit of say, €60 million debt across the board, because there are so many differences in the finances of all clubs in Europe," said a Uefa spokesman.
"However, if one club was permanently in debt to the banks, and the debt showed no sign of clearing or, in fact, got bigger year by year, then we would look very closely at that situation and then the licence of that club would have to be reviewed."
Glazer, who launched a £790 million bid for United on Thursday, is close to the 75 percent stake that gives him full control at Old Trafford and the ability to take the club into private ownership.
The American businessman confirmed to the Stock Exchange that he now owns almost 70 percent of the club, with more shares being bought on Friday.
Red Devils manager Sir Alex Ferguson refused to give any lengthy response to the situation when questioned by The Scotsman.
"I always look forward, and I do so again, but we'll just have to wait and see what is going to happen," said Ferguson.
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