Football Talk 2004/2005 (Soccer)

[yianni]

Originally Posted by Ogen Kewell is shite and hes a lazy cunt to boot.

On his day he is fucking righteous.

Problem is the cunt hasn't done that since his Leeds days.

[PSIcological]

going back to the goal, carvalho could have hoofed it away anyway but he left it for gallas. If he'd hit it then there'd be no arguments

[soconnor]

Beating Juventus and Chelsea is deserving enough, not to mention we've won there several times before. Let's not brag too much, be confident it's coming home again. We'll beat Arsenal on Sunday, then they can lift the FA cup over the scum

All good

[Danny Electric]

Originally Posted by soconnor Beating Juventus and Chelsea is deserving enough,

We've got to the finals on the basis of our performance, therefore if we are 'not deserving' of it then neither is anyone else in the Champions League.
I think we're desrving enough thankyou.

[soconnor]

I'm sick of the scum fans crying about how teams should be seeded as no one wants to see PSV Vs. Liverpool in the final. Get a fucking clue, to get in the final you need to beat the top teams, if you can't hack it then you get knocked out. AC Milan may be the best club in the world but that doesn't make them the best on the night. Liverpool deserve to be in the final, fuck Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea. Chelsea should have been knocked out by Barcelona for fouling the goalkeeper for their winning goal. Not to mention if our goal didn't go in then it's a penalty and a sending off.

Man U and Arsenal just didn't perform well at all. Man U getting beat at home was embarrassing, Arsenal losing were still passing the ball with minutes to spare. Anyways even if we lose the final we're still proud of our achievements and next year if Benitez get a decent kitty then Premiership is not far away. Might be disappointed with Liverpools away form but home and the Champions League, we're fantastic. Some of our players shouldn't be there, but last night we put on a solid team performance. The man of the night was Carragher and he deserves a England place. He's the real heart of our team, consistently amazing. Bring on May 25th.

[Danny Electric]

I agree with what you said about Carrager.
Benitez has shown that he is a great manger in the Chamipons League, give him time to get used to how the Premiership plays. With Benitez as our manager I can see us doing well.

[Ogen]

Originally Posted by Rob That was NEVER a goal. I'm glad Chelsea got beat but I'd be hella pissed if my team got beat by a goal that didn't cross the line. Some of the petty stuff Chelsea players were doing near the end was just pathetic. I give Mourinho his props though for making his team stay on the field and wait for the Liverpool players to stop celebrating so they could shake hands. AC Milan will piss it now though. Have a team less deserving than Liverpool ever got to a European cup final before?

Sorry Rob but its bollocks to say they don't deserve it. They've gone and put out two of the best teams in Europe when noone gave them a chance against either of them. Have to go with Milan to win it but its only over one night so anything could happen really.

[Ogen]

Carragher despite how good hes been still doesn't deserve a England place btw Ferdinand and Terry are still better all round he should be giving Campbell a run for his money though

[Ogen]

1-0 PSV they might give Milan a run for it yet

[Ogen]

2-0 PSV looking very good

[soconnor]

Shut the fuck up Ricky. Champions League consists of the top four teams in England and that's the way it is. There's no super league with only the top contenders and anyway we beat Chelsea who are the champions. It's just one of those things, you deserve a slap in the face for such a hack question though. Why do they call it ovaltine?

[Cactus Sid]

On a completely unrelated note, Played my first game back after my calf injury tonight, and was put at.....Centre Back.

I try not to blow my own trumpet, but I actually played a blinder. Diving in for challenges, blocking, even won a few in the air, which was suprising considering I was marking a guy at least 6 inches taller than me. Happy to be back, shame season ends on Sunday

[Cactus Sid]

Originally Posted by Ricky Might as well just scrap the Uefa Cup then.

I just think the case is that the best teams in Europe should be playing in the premier cup competition, regardless of whether they are Champions or not. Manchester United are arguably the biggest and best team in Europe, but they wouldn't have been in the Champions League this season if that was the case. As England have a good record in Europe, they are given 4 places, to increase the amount of quality in the competition.

The Uefa Cup has always been the Secondary Competition, but scrapping it is foolish, as it gives teams who wouldn't normally get into the Champions League the opportunity to play in Europe, which is a good thing for football in every country in Europe. Its simple enough, if these places weren't available, football would be dull as dishwater, as half the top divisions would have nothing to aim for, as they won't be Champions but they wont get relegated.

Unrelated again, but I think, if Liverpool can play the way they have throughout the competition, and Milan play as poorly as they have against PSV, we might have a chance, but Milan are gonna be favourites.

[soconnor]

Bloody hell Cactus Sid, I couldn't give a shit about Bristol City why would anyone care about your football skills. On a completely unrelated note. Why bother scrapping a European competition for lesser clubs which makes money and also provides entertaining football. I don't know Ricky, you tell me. You'd have a point if Chelsea beat Liverpool or if Arsenal didn't get slammed by Leverkusen. Champions League is what it is and UEFA is meaningless but entertaining nonetheless. Just like the Carling Cup.

[Dazz]

Fair play Liverpool, you weren't the better team, but neither were we. The team that deserves to go through always does go through, I honestly believe that, and always have. 4.3cm from crossing the line, but bollocks to it, Cech would have been in trouble and they'd have had a penno otherwise. We were shit attacking, they were superb defensivley, Carragher is the man, I am very pleased for him that they got to the final.

Liverpool's a great place, I didn't see any graffitti, smashed cars or anything I expected, and the fans were really friendly, and quite amusing.

Still glad I went, we always have next year, won the league this year and thats all I wanted.

Still, I felt the tears in my eyes at the end of the game, I was extremely close to crying, to go to the semi's two years running and lose is so fucking gutting it's untrue.

Bring on next year.

Carefree

[soconnor]

I'd love to see your tears Dazz I really would. Still I think you're a fine loser and Liverpool isn't such a bad place after all. Not to mention the Kop is much louder than your place, so you can't say anything bout that. At the end of the day Chelsea is top class and 4 out of 5 ain't bad. I had to stand the devastion of three losses. Still Liverpool needed it more than you did, can't fucking wait. You're 6-1 next year, have a go on that.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by Ogen Carragher despite how good hes been still doesn't deserve a England place btw Ferdinand and Terry are still better all round he should be giving Campbell a run for his money though

Stick him at right back, The Duck laughed at me some five years ago when I said to stick him there ahead of Neville, but I still honestly believe it.

[soconnor]

Carragher can play left or right back. At the end of the day he's a valuable asset right away, put him in the position which is lacking and let him excel. If Terry, Rio or Sol gets injured then he's an amazing replacement. He was the best player the last time he played for England so he's got international potential. I'm still gutted over Rio letting Duncan Ferguson get past him, fucking can't forgive him for that.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by soconnor I'd love to see your tears Dazz I really would.

Fuck off

Originally Posted by soconnor Still I think you're a fine loser and Liverpool isn't such a bad place after all. Not to mention the Kop is much louder than your place, so you can't say anything bout that. At the end of the day Chelsea is top class and 4 out of 5 ain't bad. I had to stand the devastion of three losses. Still Liverpool needed it more than you did, can't fucking wait. You're 6-1 next year, have a go on that.

50 years to the last time we won the Championship, next year is 50 years to the time we SHOULD have entered the first EVER European Cup, but FA stopped us, fuck it Socconner I think you are right, we have the team and we have the hunger, I am gunna put money on it.

Also, to the tune of Rock the Casbar by the Clash 'Mourinho don't like you...FUCK UEFA...FUCK UEFA' is a great song.

[soconnor]

I could see Liverpool defending the Cup next year so don't be too sure . Anyway you're lacking with a great upfronter, you need Robben fit and I think you'll all set for superstardom. I hope Johnny Vaughn kills himself, I can't think of anymore faggot Chelsea supporters. Might as well play AC Milan in the final, there's no excuses there. Oh Liverpool are so undeserving after beating Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan.

[soconnor]

So did everything go alright anyway Dazz? No problems. It's the thing with away supporters, there's always some pricks on either side. There probably would have been more trouble in Gudjonnsen could get a shot on target. I'd imagine everyone to be pretty happy, but wearing your blue top must have been risky business.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by packt up And good old Drogba was a devastating as I always think he is DUNNO WHAT U SEE IN HIM DAZZ

Wait till he has some service, and then come back and apologise for that remark .

He had no Robben (most of the time) or Duff, Cole wasn't creating anything nor was anyone else, he needs service, he isn't Henry, he can't do it all.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by soconnor So did everything go alright anyway Dazz? No problems. It's the thing with away supporters, there's always some pricks on either side. There probably would have been more trouble in Gudjonnsen could get a shot on target. I'd imagine everyone to be pretty happy, but wearing your blue top must have been risky business.

The stupid Scouse police kept Chelsea fans behind for 15 minutes to allow for you lot to leave. How retarded, like anyone scousers were gunna leave. I had a fleece so that if it was hostile after the game I could have covered up my colours, but as you won I just tied my fleece around my waiste and left showing my colours, some scouser out his hand on my shouler and said unlucky mate. Another who was walking the same direction as me was pretty much the same, spoke to him for a few minutes, wished him and the rest of you all the best in the final, shook his hand then got on the coach that took us to the station. Your fans were too extatic to care.

Once I got to Lime Street I went to the shop, and some cheery scouser followed me and shouted 'Luis Garcia, Luis Garcia, what fucking happened, Luis Garcia' but he was only pissing around and I thought it was funny. They are all just singing about being the greatest team in Europe and going to Istanbul, never even looked like there would be trouble, and I never didn't feel safe. Had to keep checking my pockets for my digital Camera, phone and wallet though :0.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by soconnor I could see Liverpool defending the Cup next year so don't be too sure . Anyway you're lacking with a great upfronter, you need Robben fit and I think you'll all set for superstardom. I hope Johnny Vaughn kills himself, I can't think of anymore faggot Chelsea supporters. Might as well play AC Milan in the final, there's no excuses there. Oh Liverpool are so undeserving after beating Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan.

I always wanted Juve in the semi and Milan in the final, you gotta beat the best.

I like Johnny Vaughan, he isn't at all funny but seems like a good bloke none the less.

I don't think you are the underdogs, you have as much chance of winning as them, Juve are pretty much equal to them in the league this season and you held them for 90 mins at their gaff. We couldn't put one past you either. Milan are no better then you lot, on paper they may be, but your managers the man, he won it for you yesterday and against Juve, and he will again at the end of the month.

[packt up]

Originally Posted by soconnor I'm sick of the scum fans crying about how teams should be seeded as no one wants to see PSV Vs. Liverpool in the final. Get a fucking clue, to get in the final you need to beat the top teams, if you can't hack it then you get knocked out. AC Milan may be the best club in the world but that doesn't make them the best on the night. Liverpool deserve to be in the final, fuck Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea. Chelsea should have been knocked out by Barcelona for fouling the goalkeeper for their winning goal. Not to mention if our goal didn't go in then it's a penalty and a sending off. Man U and Arsenal just didn't perform well at all. Man U getting beat at home was embarrassing, Arsenal losing were still passing the ball with minutes to spare. Anyways even if we lose the final we're still proud of our achievements and next year if Benitez get a decent kitty then Premiership is not far away. Might be disappointed with Liverpools away form but home and the Champions League, we're fantastic. Some of our players shouldn't be there, but last night we put on a solid team performance. The man of the night was Carragher and he deserves a England place. He's the real heart of our team, consistently amazing. Bring on May 25th.

You know I agree with pretty much everything you said there

Apart from the bit about the Premiership being not far away. You do realise if it finished now you could play 11 games win them all and still probably wouldn't win the title. 33 points doesn't lie and your no where near the Premiership title.

[soconnor]

I don't think the premiership is too far away, it's all nil at the beginning of the season. Thirty plus points is a lot but we showed last night that actually the team difference isn't so massive. Our problems is our away form, we only won four away games and still managed to be in the top five. That can't be so bad. Improve the forward situation and you've got a solid team with Carra at the back, Gerrard and Xabi in the middle. That's a class team of players to build around. Cisse cost us £14 million, hasn't had a chance yet and Nando needs to get round the premiership way. I'm not going to make excuses, we have had a lot of players injured but we'll see if you're right next year.

[Ogen]

Getting ahead of yourself by years now soconnor. Premiership won't happen and as for retaining the Champs Leauge at least wait till you've actually won the fucking thing first but theres not a chance of that happening.

[soconnor]

Originally Posted by Dazz The stupid Scouse police kept Chelsea fans behind for 15 minutes to allow for you lot to leave. How retarded, like anyone scousers were gunna leave. I had a fleece so that if it was hostile after the game I could have covered up my colours, but as you won I just tied my fleece around my waiste and left showing my colours, some scouser out his hand on my shouler and said unlucky mate. Another who was walking the same direction as me was pretty much the same, spoke to him for a few minutes, wished him and the rest of you all the best in the final, shook his hand then got on the coach that took us to the station. Your fans were too extatic to care. Once I got to Lime Street I went to the shop, and some cheery scouser followed me and shouted 'Luis Garcia, Luis Garcia, what fucking happened, Luis Garcia' but he was only pissing around and I thought it was funny. They are all just singing about being the greatest team in Europe and going to Istanbul, never even looked like there would be trouble, and I never didn't feel safe. Had to keep checking my pockets for my digital Camera, phone and wallet though :0.

That's the thing I'd probably feel safe in Chelsea too if you beat us. I don't think Liverpool is any rougher than anyone else. Like there's always maniacs around. I don't think anyone realises that Liverpool is a really beautiful city if you went around town and shit like that. It's papers like the sun who's given the sterotypical scouser a bad name. We're not all perfect like you aren't. At the end of the day I'm glad you had a good time and you kind of didn't expect to win anyway. There's always Charlton and ten years of Jose to look forward to.

[Dazz]

Once Rafa sorts them out in the summer he will be competeing for a top three finish next season I think.

[Ogen]

Nah the gulfs gonna still be there for a few years the top 3 ain't chaning just yet.

[soconnor]

Originally Posted by Ogen Getting ahead of yourself by years now soconnor. Premiership won't happen and as for retaining the Champs Leauge at least wait till you've actually won the fucking thing first but theres not a chance of that happening.

OK so bet me a million pounds we won't win next season if you're so fucking sure. Let's all be a negative twat like you are, you were probably the person that didn't give Liverpool a chance in the first place. Proven you wrong there, prove you wrong again. Greece winning the Euro cup? Never. Anyway didn't say we'd win 100% but we're in with a chance, I'm a loyal fan and I'm going to be positive. Alonso is my favourite player, Gerrard is the best player in the world when he has his day, Garcia, Nando, Cisse, Carragher, there's potential in the kop for greatness.

[Ogen]

I'd gladly bet you a million pounds on it ffs. I'd even give you odds on it.

[soconnor]

Originally Posted by Dazz Once Rafa sorts them out in the summer he will be competeing for a top three finish next season I think.

Rafa said he's only building his team round six players. The rest can go. Harry Kewell needs to shape up or fuck off. Our highest paid player on 70k a week, he's a disgrace. I don't want Diouf back, that fucking animal. We need a few million to buy the players and thats the problem. We've earned £30 million from the champions league, can't be bad at all. He does need a chance, he did wonders with Valencia and I'm sure he'll do the same with us. I was only expecting forth place and a carling cup, he's done us proud. There's still lots of improvements though, lots.

[soconnor]

Originally Posted by Ogen I'd gladly bet you a million pounds on it ffs. I'd even give you odds on it.

OK if Liverpool wins the premiership next season I get your million pounds or sex with your sister. I'm not offering you anything in return though as I don't enjoy it when I gamble my money. Like I said I'm confident Liverpool can do anything with a few new faces and a lot of hard work. We're going up and not down and that's the thing, I reckon Arsenal and Man U are sliding down and we're catching up. Now that top three could easily be top because anything like injuries, poor form, can happen.

[Ogen]

Liverpools aim for next season should be to take 4th and be best of the rest they ain't ready for more than that.

[soconnor]

Don't be a fucking idiot. Seen as though Everton and Bolton is fighting Liverpool for that spot should tell you everything. Our away form was dreadful, we had tonnes of first team players out and some of our main players are awful. Like I said a few new faces, some injury free games and getting form back and we're in there. Don't pretend that Liverpool wouldn't have got forth spot if we had players fit. Lampard, Cech and Terry have played every game this season. That's how you win the premiership.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by soconnor That's the thing I'd probably feel safe in Chelsea too if you beat us. I don't think Liverpool is any rougher than anyone else. Like there's always maniacs around. I don't think anyone realises that Liverpool is a really beautiful city if you went around town and shit like that. It's papers like the sun who's given the sterotypical scouser a bad name. We're not all perfect like you aren't. At the end of the day I'm glad you had a good time and you kind of didn't expect to win anyway. There's always Charlton and ten years of Jose to look forward to.

I found this whole 1008 City of Culture thing very bizzare at the time, I still haven't seen much of Liverpool, we got off at Lime Street and got coaches to the ground, so I only saw out the window a small part of the city.

Lots of Liverpool fans were walking round in their colours after the game at our gaff, I was walking out and these three happy scousers came up to me and spoke to me then, the fat lass gave me a hug before she got on the coach, the other two shook my hand, needless to say it was that point I checked my pockets to make sure they weren't empty . Your fans are well friendly, we have no reason to hate you lot, I have never had a problem with your fans. We sing scouse songs at you but it's all banter, you lot expect it and would probably be dissapointed if any team didn't taunt you for being scouse .

There's as much chance of troule in West London as where you are, my Uncle's had two cars and a car-phone stolen fron West London, there's shooting and stabbings in London all the time too, I hate sleeping at my nans flat in West London coz all I can hear if fucking police and ambulance sirens, London is just as bad in parts. But on the whole, West London is wonderful, it's full of tits, fanny and Chelsea, not to mention Rob Harvey too.

I am strangley happy now actually, I guess it's coz we have the league in the bag, like you say, theres always Charlton, I'm going up the night before and staying their till Sunday to celebrate, probably.

[Ogen]

I'm saying thats what you should be aiming for ffs.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by Ogen Liverpools aim for next season should be to take 4th and be best of the rest they ain't ready for more than that.

Mate, not being funny but Liverpool are a massive club, and who wouldn't wanna play for a team that reaches the Champions League final? They have two class keepers who if they can keep concentration are terrific, a defensive pair to match anyone, one hell of a midfield, and three great strikers.

I don't see how you can't think Liverpool will do well. Houllier built a really good team but didn''t know how to use them, Benitez will now know what to do.

Liverpool can do anything they want to, I wouldnever rule them out winning the league, I don't think they will, but I'd never write them off.

[soconnor]

Originally Posted by Dazz I found this whole 1008 City of Culture thing very bizzare at the time, I still haven't seen much of Liverpool, we got off at Lime Street and got coaches to the ground, so I only saw out the window a small part of the city. Lots of Liverpool fans were walking round in their colours after the game at our gaff, I was walking out and these three happy scousers came up to me and spoke to me then, the fat lass gave me a hug before she got on the coach, the other two shook my hand, needless to say it was that point I checked my pockets to make sure they weren't empty . Your fans are well friendly, we have no reason to hate you lot, I have never had a problem with your fans. We sing scouse songs at you but it's all banter, you lot expect it and would probably be dissapointed if any team didn't taunt you for being scouse . There's as much chance of troule in West London as where you are, my Uncle's had two cars and a car-phone stolen fron West London, there's shooting and stabbings in London all the time too, I hate sleeping at my nans flat in West London coz all I can hear if fucking police and ambulance sirens, London is just as bad in parts. But on the whole, West London is wonderful, it's full of tits, fanny and Chelsea, not to mention Rob Harvey too. I am strangley happy now actually, I guess it's coz we have the league in the bag, like you say, theres always Charlton, I'm going up the night before and staying their till Sunday to celebrate, probably.

Good shit man, rivarly always gets personal as there's always taunting that makes you agitated. The only team I really dislike is Man United, half my friends are Everton fans so you can't really complain. We are the capital of culture 2008 so there's going to be loads of money pumped into better facilities . We're as good as anywhere, I'm going to London myself over the weekend and I'm sick to see so many Man United fans in the pubs. I wish there was some chelsea fans for the arsenal game, at least I'd get a bit of support in there.