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Old 12-19-2024, 01:04 AM   #16121
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Old 12-19-2024, 02:49 PM   #16122
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AEW isn’t even worth 2 billion yen.
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Old 12-19-2024, 03:33 PM   #16123
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The problem is clear and in an ideal world it would signify to arm chair bookers everywhere that no matter how much they like the smell of their own farts they dont know shit about booking.

It wont though. Theyll think the problem is localized to TK. It isnt. Just like this should also signal that if you had infinite money you wouldnt suddenly become successful. You would fail miserably and die broke.

Promoting events is hard. Running a business is hard. You need talent as much as you need opportunity. And yeah holy fuck does tk not have any. The guy walked in with a carefully constructed product with hot angles and hot workers and a counter culture it factor that you cant manufacture and squandered it entirely.

It wouldnt fix because AEW is a meme now but he's gotta give up the book. Its not working. Its objectively not working.
It is a bit beyond "Tony needs to give up the book"... he also needs to alsi actually delegate responsibility and actually listen to oeople who know what the fuck they're doing about the business of wrestling. As opposed to saying shit like "that's a good question..." and then proceeding to not answer said question.
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Old 12-19-2024, 03:54 PM   #16124
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That’s very true. There are so many intangibles when it comes to running things. TK doesn’t seem to have the talent to manage people — especially wrestlers and their politics. It’s also more than just putting names on paper against each other and having someone go over with a move. Being a worker helps you understand how to book through the action — not just around it.
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But even there, he's already proven he can't even "book around" the action. There is zero action. "I have X talent now, and they can have a match against Y and Z and possibly W... for the next three weeks! Dream match!" Even if that talent having matches against those other three names could have been potentially stretched over the next six months and getting folks to at least tangentially care about the lead up to them finally having said match.

For example, Ricochet vs Bandito could have potentially been a blockbuster match for AEW. And I'm writing it off already. Why? Because not only do I know Tony is going to blow that load as soon as he can possibly get them in the same ring... And not only do I think the match will be set up ASAP to pop a number for Rampage or Collision instead of headlining a future PPV (and I don't mean the very next PPV)... I already know he already treated Ricochet the same way, so he doesn't mean as much as he did when he came in.

So, with all that "math", I know they're both just going to be another flippy guy on a roster full of them by next March because Tony doesn't have the impulse control to play the longer game. And, in that same stretch, he's going to come up with another dumbass gimmick to push on par with The Librarians, Orange Cassidy, that pizza guy, and Hologram.
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You’re correct, sir. Sorry that my replies are not lengthy, but you pretty much nail it.

Very smart of them to embarrass Ricochet 2 weeks ahead of him scheduled to headline the Tokyo Dome. That AEW/NJPW relationship has to be strained.
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To be fair, Ricochet embarrasses himself no matter what AEW does
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Looks like I've been proven wrong... thanks to the dropkick concussion upon Bandito's return, he's minimized faster than I predicted.
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Nielsons ratings are so inaccurate that theyve been ruled in court that theyvebeen barred from being used to uphold contracts at any level. The MRC disaccredited Nielson in 2021. After 19 months in 2023 Nielson was able to get reacredited by the MRC. They still are working to get their legal standing back.



Tl;dr they arent exactly the industry standard
What is the industry standard then? How does any of this work?
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Old 12-23-2024, 08:29 AM   #16129
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The larger point, though, is that those numbers are being cherrypicked for moving goalpoasts.

For example, a lot of responses as of late have been about how Meltzer will spin the importance - or lack thereof depending on the week - of the overall number or a particular demographic if hit helps AEW sound like they're doing better than WWE in any way. However, if WWE is the clear victor in any way, it will be deflected in "Oh, well those numbers aren't important" or "the lack of ratings are the fault of [insert excuse or event that is always something beyond AEW's control] or "this isn't a competition anyway" type of drivel.

Getting the supposedly coveted cash cow of "18-34 males", overall, doesn't mean what it used to. Neilson isn't compiling what is being streamed on phones or for people catching clips via YouTube or social media, or even the potential (but not likely) bump they'd get from people who load shit on their DVRs but possibly never get around to watching it.

But again, it isn't about what AEW is or isn't getting. It's not about the supposed boatload of money they got from TV rights. It's about projecting superiority for their flagship broadcasts in particular against WWE's training vessel c-show... on the occasions where there's a win or a tie.

"It only counts if we're winning" type shit.
Being cherrypicked by who, Dave Meltzer?

These conversations are circular. It's another assertion that "TV ain't what it used to be", we all know that. Repeated posts about how it's apparently ridiculous that advertisers consider working age adults to be more valuable to advertise to than children or older people. We track ratings but you can't trust the ratings because everything's made up.

Okay, so nothing means anything then. Great discussion. Shame I can't watch Dynamite any more since WBD didn't renew AEW's deal. Oh wait this thread constantly got things wrong. That's what Meltzer does!!! You're all a bunch of Meltzers!
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To be fair, Ricochet embarrasses himself no matter what AEW does
It’s crazy how guys go to AEW and just flip out. I’ll take credit for that pun. I think it’s partially the environment and culture there, partially the wrestlers’ mentalities themselves. AEW attracts a certain type of crowd.

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Looks like I've been proven wrong... thanks to the dropkick concussion upon Bandito's return, he's minimized faster than I predicted.
I guess shit happens, but it does seem to be typical AEW for a guy to crash and burn like that.
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So TNA gets this SportsNet deal in Canada, right? It’s a good deal for them. Dave cannot help himself. He writes up this thing that reminds people they got kicked off Spike and alleges that SportsNet was in talks with AEW, but AEW chose to stick with TSN because of the money.

Jimmy Korderas jumps in — quite obviously with ties at SportsNet — and points out that AEW tried to get a deal with SportsNet, but SN opted to go with TNA — it had nothing to do with AEW getting more money from TSN.

Dave claims that part of the story is “irrelevant.” It doesn’t matter who picked up the phone first.
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AEWShop’s search bar was displaying anything that had been searched for. So naturally you would type in a wrestler’s name and all sorts of vulgar things would pop up to meet you.
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Thank you.

Anyways... I won't be watching TNA or AEW anytime soon.

I'll probably tune in to the first RAW and SD on Netflix and then promptly go back to largely ignoring WWE except for big events.

I guess that I might watch more PLEs and not just Rumble/Mania (and sometimes Summerslam and Survivor Series).
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Lol, ROH put up a disclaimer at their show saying that anyone in the ringside area is assuming the risk of injury or damage to property by being in that area.
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I bet you all that talent is going to re-sign for reasonable amounts too. Especially the men who see what Jon Moxley can do at his rate of pay, and the women who see Mercedes Mone at hers.

The Hurt Syndicate probably cost >$5 million ALONE.

Meltzer has been pretty much called out for just making up that they’re going to be profitable. Tony has to be able to keep things within budget and be prepared for what happens if the TV rights deal is minimized or even taken away.

Looking forward to Dave’s studied analysis on the Dynamite ratings/MAX numbers this week. He got upset when Variety or some entertainment outlet conflated the NBC viewership with Peacock views. I expect those principles to be betrayed in lieu of flat-out lying about how AEW does on MAX.
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You post very interesting discussion points but WHERE'S THE BEEF? Oh this isn't true and this isn't true and this isn't true. Say something, preferably something that isn't talking about Dave Meltzer
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Chris Charlton has been sent on “indefinite hiatus” for calling Tony Khan a money mark via English commentary at the New Japan shows over the weekend. He also questioned what Okada, Jay White and Ospreay have done since signing with AEW and compared the Continental Classic unfavorably to the G1.

Charlton is absolutely correct about everything, but that stuff doesn’t need to make air. That’s Matt Striker level stuff. We don’t need “Stone Cold” Chris Charlton. Talk about the power vacuum top NJPW stars leaving for AEW has created, sure. That’s the story they’re telling in NJPW. But there’s a commentary-friendly way to navigate that.

Tony Shiavone jumping in and telling Charlton to “GFY” and take a shower sometimes is a bit rich though. By this stage, everyone knows Shiavone lives in the colon of whoever his employer is, but “Speak, bitch” Shiavone can’t really talk about doing a polished or professional job in 2025.

AEW and Tony Khan continue to be massively insecure as well.
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So a NJPW commentator got suspended by NJPW because he risked his company from being cut off financially by hurting Tony Khan's feelings?

That sounds exactly like the way a Money Mark would react
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Yeah. There’s a reason that sentiment exists among NJPW fans. Is either side going to examine that in the business relationship? Probably not.
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It was hilarious a few months ago when Dave said the new TV deal would prove TK isn’t a money mark. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. You can tell how much it bothers Tony Khan (because it’s true).
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It was hilarious a few months ago when Dave said the new TV deal would prove TK isn’t a money mark. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. You can tell how much it bothers Tony Khan (because it’s true).
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Seriously the best Tiny Klown can come up with for Bobby Fucking Lashley is for him and Shelton to fight Private Party lol. But Switchblade Brian Kendrick is in the main events?!?!?
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Remember when AEW was trying to convince people they had a great tag team division? They even got Dave to say it was the best tag division ever.
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Brian Kendrick in main events? Tony must have heard that Noid doesn't like him, and, needing approval from this stranger on the internet, has started booking Brian Kendrick in main events in hope of garnering praise from Noid.
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Remember when AEW was trying to convince people they had a great tag team division? They even got Dave to say it was the best tag division ever.
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Brian Kendrick in main events? Tony must have heard that Noid doesn't like him, and, needing approval from this stranger on the internet, has started booking Brian Kendrick in main events in hope of garnering praise from Noid.
Yeah, they call him Jay now for some reason!
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Oh, so it wasn't really Brian Kendrick but that Jay White guy? Damn..... built my whole joke on a falsehood.....

I even thought "isn't switchblade that other dude's nickname?" but then thought nothing of it....
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I guess because I plausibly believed that Brian Kendrick could be in AEW main events....
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He was going to be, but David Bixenspan reminded people he was a Holocaust denier at one point in his life. Kendrick would very likely be in the Death Riders or feuding with them right now due to his connection with Bryan Danielson. He’d also likely be agenting Ronda Rousey matches in ROH.

And if TK wanted to impress me, he’d have signed Doug Basham to help with developmental 5 years ago. Bit late, Tony.
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People in on the New Japan side of things are saying that they find TK a pain to deal with and there are lots of frustrations with the AEW deal. The directive to suspend Chris Charlton for his on-air comments about TK and AEW was allegedly made by Tony who “demanded he be punished.”
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A Saturday’s Night Main Event is being listed opposite All In this year. AEW are boned lol. Projections are for about 16k for All In. WWE can probably pack more people into an arena for SNME.
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MLW drew more for their Kings of Colosseum show than AEW did for the Edge/Jericho Collision.
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