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Old 09-04-2023, 04:29 PM   #321
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You want hypocrisy, look at “Wah! Punk doesn’t respect Regal” and then see how that locker room treated both Punk and Regal.
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Old 09-04-2023, 04:42 PM   #322
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Good. Fuck Perry. Because if he doesn't do this, Punk would still be employed. Again, Punk needed to be fired but Perry needs to be held accountable for his actions as well.
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Old 09-04-2023, 04:52 PM   #323
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What sucks for Perry is he had just received a major rub from Rob Van Dam in a match after RVD had just had a successful run with Impact Wrestling. That's all down the shitter now.
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Old 09-04-2023, 04:53 PM   #324
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Has anyone done a parody of the Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD cover yet?
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From what I've read I do not exactly see what Jack Perry did wrong. If CM Punk just walked on by ignoring it would have anyone even cared in the office?

If the CEO felt his life was threatened then how can Jack be punished for keeping himself safe?
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Old 09-04-2023, 07:11 PM   #326
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From what I've read I do not exactly see what Jack Perry did wrong. If CM Punk just walked on by ignoring it would have anyone even cared in the office?

If the CEO felt his life was threatened then how can Jack be punished for keeping himself safe?
Ok, this is trolling.
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:07 PM   #327
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:09 PM   #328
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:15 PM   #329
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Ok, so this is more dirt sheet bs, but with the rumors that Evil CM Punk was looking to return to the Evil WWE for the Royal Rumble and a program with Kevin Owens:

If Punk was entertaining this idea in December, according to SRS (and I don’t believe this), then that would mean Punk wouldn’t have a long no-compete or even one at all attached to his contract. Just saying.
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:53 PM   #330
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If anybody doesn't think Phil is not fuming over the fact that Kevin Owens got Phil's dream match against Phil's dream opponent, you have never even heard of CM Punk
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Old 09-04-2023, 09:26 PM   #331
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Eh, I think he probably watched it as a fan and had a good time.
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Old 09-04-2023, 11:52 PM   #332
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Yeah, anyone who has seen bullying or harassment in the workplace knows it’s not as simple as firing the target to rid the problem. You’re still left with the ugly instigators, and guess what? They’ll find a new target.
All anyone has to do is look back at around the time after the media scrum venting where that one article came out where just about any of the folks that went on the record with "I was wary about CM Punk because I had heard about his reputation... but then I actually talked to the guy and it wasn't as bad as all that, and he even gave me some sound career advice" or some complimentary variations thereof all ended up getting fucked with in some kind of way. Or the more recent thing where Okada said something to the effect of "I'd tell you about what I think about the guy, but The Bucks are my friends." Why should it matter if you want to say something nice about someone if that would make people who are supposedly your friends act different towards you?
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Old 09-05-2023, 02:03 AM   #333
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At the center of this is a difference in wrestling philosophy. The Elite resent this camp of guys like Jim Cornette, who think there is a craft to this. The Elite think it’s completely subjective and everything is awesome. If you don’t think Punk coming in and actually helping people get better ruffled them, then you have never even heard of The Elite.
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Old 09-05-2023, 02:05 AM   #334
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Conrad Thompson has come out and invoked someone “extremely close” to the CM Punk/AEW situation, and expressed that they think Dave Meltzer is lying. It seems CM Punk does, in fact, have a side to the story.
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Mark Henry has strongly implied that Punk wasn’t the problem.
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I mean, he did so by saying, “well, now ‘the problem’ is gone. Let’s see what happens.” You can kinda but 2 and 2 together lol
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Old 09-05-2023, 09:13 AM   #337
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Its pretty unlikely its bucks and co. They had no reason not to bury him before. Most likely its a fence sitter who was waiting to see which political party was going to win. That said i dont follow dirt sheet gossip too seriously. In this day in age have the balls to tweet about it and see how it all plays out.
Tend to agree with this. There's probably people within AEW who were just sitting on stories but worried about going public with criticizing Punk. In general though yeah people should just come out with stuff.

Dirt sheets get exhausting as hell and I've tried to not follow as much of it but it's also unavoidable if you spend more than 5 seconds on wrassling twitter. If someone has "damning" info they aren't willing to share it kinda makes them all look dumb, and that goes for anyone on either "side". Like Brian Last repeatedly implying for over a year he's got lots of dirt on Omega but yet he won't release any of it.
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I suspect a lot of these Punk stories will be minor or tiny non-incidents blown up to make headlines.

The Regal stuff does feel slightly revealing only in the sense that it feels like pretty much everything else he does, his respect for veterans is conditional.

It's like so many of his gestures of generosity and friendship, they're all extremely transactional, and feel as much about making someone feel they now owe him loyalty. Samoa Joe's cryptic Tweet the other day kinda alludes to that too.

Bret Hart, Harley Race, and Roddy Piper are the vets Punk often talks up the most in terms of guys he respects and admires. Wonder how much he'd talk them up if they hadn't told him they liked him.
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In fairness, business relationships by nature are transactional.
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While true some people treat most of, if not all of their interpersonal relationships as transactional. I halfway joked about how Ace Steel will end up on Punk's shitlist if he doesn't quit AEW in solidarity but there's numerous accounts of guys in WWE who were cool with Punk and friends with him and it was just radio silence from Punk after he quit. Like merely being employed in a company he was on bad terms with was enough for you to be on the shitlist.

Known "Punk guys" in AEW include FTR, House of Black, and Danhausen. Wonder if Punk is gonna actually keep talking to these dudes after everything that happened or if it'll reach the point where not quitting means they've "made their choice" when it never needed to be a choice.
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Guy just seems like someone who probably has an Excel spreadsheet keeping track of every single personal favor he's ever done for anyone, so he can throw it back at you the second you "cross" him.
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Punk likes to have glory he can downplay, but I don’t know why people expect him to talk people who don’t like him. Or why his like of vets should be unconditional. There are very weird expectations put on him.
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Yeah, you can tell Mark Henry wants to wear his salmon suit and slam his way out of that place.
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this guy makes a good point.



Someone argues that Punk's the one assaulting everyone. Yet, the Jacksons are the ones who busted into his dressing room.
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Old 09-05-2023, 12:08 PM   #346
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In a similar vein, Vince or HHH should cut this promo if they bring in Punk and want to introduce him in the most authentic way.
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There's a conspiracy online that suggests that TK and Punk are in cahoots to undermine the return of Shanky at WWE Superstar Spectacle.
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Wrestling fans are genuinely idiotic. Some girl is receiving death threats for flipping off Page

I'm glad Page said something because that's bullshit to harass a fan who wasn't doing anything wrong.

I didn't notice her until I saw a tweet about her mid show. I don't really pay much attention to anyone beyond the barriers but the few times I noticed her she was looking down at her phone despite having the best seat in the house. Frankly that's a worse look than flipping off a wrestler ever would be.

Flipping off wrasslers should always be encouraged no matter who it's directed at. Audience participation/engagement is generally a good thing.
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Remember when old ladies would get right up in wrestlers' faces and yell at them? Glorious.
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this guy makes a good point.



Someone argues that Punk's the one assaulting everyone. Yet, the Jacksons are the ones who busted into his dressing room.
This is what I've been saying the whole time. Punk and Perry do not avoid repercussions but TK allowed it to get to this point.

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Best sign I saw was a pic of TK saying "Dave, how am I doing?"

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Guy just seems like someone who probably has an Excel spreadsheet keeping track of every single personal favor he's ever done for anyone, so he can throw it back at you the second you "cross" him.
This is inherently BS. There's no way Punk knows how to do vlookups or pivot tables.
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As I have said from time to time, Punk is not absolved from what he did. He deserves everything that he did. With that said, Tony Khan will sit here and act like he did everything he could, when in all reality, the only thing that he did was FINALLY make a public statement about firing him. Which he actually looked so nervous during it. It was like he Made it on the fly, but I can't imagine that being the only time they attempted to make that statement. It just felt so forced even though he was nervous.

If you needed any proof that the Elite do not need to be in power, Omega was sitting there cracking jokes while drinking a Pepsi and claiming it was like drinking lighter fluid and the Bucks came out after Collision dancing and parading around in the ring the same day Punk was fired.

Before someone comes out and tells me "Well Grayson Waller made fun of him on X"....guess what? Waller is a talent for the WWE, not EVP's like Omega and the Bucks are. What they did was immature and shows exactly why they SHOULD NOT be any position of power in that company.
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The lawyers told Tony he had to do it. That's the only reason he did it at all. They're trying to avoid a lawsuit.

If the Bucks did that, I can only imagine something like that can be brought into a court case depending on what type of lawsuit were to be filed.

Who is Grayson Waller?

(Yes, I know who he is)
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this guy makes a good point.


Someone argues that Punk's the one assaulting everyone. Yet, the Jacksons are the ones who busted into his dressing room.
Yeah the fact that two of the EVPs ducked a meeting with a disgruntled employee says a lot about them.

If they were just wrestlers, it would be different. They wouldn't be expected to mediate a conflict like this (even if they had a hand in causing it).

But they aren't just wrestlers. They are allegedly executives. Whether or not they're fluffed up titles, they carry weight in the realm of the company. And that Tony Khan [seemingly, anyway] didn't do more to get this resolved months ago is a bad look too.
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whole thing is a fuckin mess and most of it should have been cleaned up last year
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This. x10000.

Although if Tony was the one mediating it and there wasn't an actual middle person involved, I doubt anything would have been resolved.
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And as is usually the case with these things, half of the reporters are saying a Punk/Bucks mediation meeting was scheduled/cancelled, and half are saying the meeting was never scheduled at all. Following along those reporting lines it's not terribly difficult to figure out which reporters "Punk's side" and which reporters "The Elite's side" talk to.

Whether or not a meeting was planned or not barely matters because it all just goes back to he said/he said yet again and allows people to perceive and believe whoever they want to.
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You def have grounds to fire the bucks from last year or whatever but no one was fired from that excursion so it seems pretty moot. As long as its evenly applied its just.

In a leagal case though these cannot be conflated. They are wholly separate. It may paint why punk was in his unhinged state but the jungle boy/kahn incident is not the same as the ace steel/bucks incident. I dont even think JB was present for the initial conflict.

If lawyers are getting involved, and if punk is to be denied his full payout we can be certain they will be, these things have nothing to do with one another.

Ftr you can shit can them all for all i care. Its kahns promotion. Evp is a token title.
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Whether a conflict resolution meeting with Punk/EVPs was scheduled or not, there are obviously some in the locker room who have a perception that there was and that management ducked it. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, if that's the perception people in the locker room have it's still gonna cause problems.

Nobody likes meetings but this is very much the type of situation where an all-hands meeting on Wednesday before the show would make a lot of sense. And preferably a meeting in which Kenny Omega isn't joking about firing half of the locker room.

I'm sure the terms of Punk's firing can't be disclosed to the masses but this really is just something where management should go up there and field and questions/concerns from the rest of the locker room and everyone can just sort their shit and air out whatever grievances remain and just get on the same page once and for all. The only way to not have the perception carrying on that management can't/won't even attempt to resolve conflict is to nip it in the bud and finally address it with everyone head-on.

Close the meeting out with Danielson and/or Moxley doing the type of rah rah speech you know they'd be good at and hopefully everyone can move on.

Of course in the world we live in now you know whatever is said in the meeting (good or bad) would be leaked in about 5 minutes anyway and people will either say "good, let's move on" or "wow, management is talking a load of bullshit" depending on what side of the fence they're on. This dirt sheet bullshit is so exhausting from all angles and I can understand why people would actively try to avoid it.
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According to PWInsider, interest within WWE over the idea of bringing back CM Punk to the company is very mixed.

At least one top star is in favor of bringing Punk back mostly due to the view that Punk's return could make the company a lot of money while others are completely against the idea nor believe it will actually happen.

In regards to when a potential return could happen, Mike Johnson reported that WWE is more preoccupied over finalizing their deal with Endeavor than being interested in potentially bringing Punk back any time soon. Johnson reported that this decision would also be out of WWE's hands once Endeavor becomes the new owner and its not known how Endeavor currently feels.

In regards to other promotions, Impact reportedly is currently interested but its not believed that they could even afford him as is while NJPW isn't believed to be interested due to their current working relationship with AEW.

In regards to the terms of Punk's termination from AEW, Johnson reported that it is currently believed that he is not under any non-compete clause and could show up for any other promotion at any time.
Can't wait for Punk to get into a brawl with Rollins.
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