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View Poll Results: How motherfucking pumped are you for this show?
So motherfucking pumped! 4 22.22%
Pretty motherfucking pumped! 3 16.67%
Just a little motherfucking pumped! 7 38.89%
Not that motherfucking pumped! 2 11.11%
I am not motherfucking pumped at all! (PS I am a loser and I have no friends) 2 11.11%
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:18 PM   #841
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You're right. The outrage over Shane is fabricated. I wasn't even "outraged", just makes me give less of a crap than I thought was possible. Think it's because it's always been a "part of my life", going to my first live event when I was 4. So there's instances where I think "Hey, I'll give this another go".


Rumble is one of those events, and this year was just.... not there. But again, paper v. the actual match speaks differently so I don't know why I bother.
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You're right. The outrage over Shane is fabricated. I wasn't even "outraged", just makes me give less of a crap than I thought was possible. Think it's because it's always been a "part of my life", going to my first live event when I was 4. So there's instances where I think "Hey, I'll give this another go".


Rumble is one of those events, and this year was just.... not there. But again, paper v. the actual match speaks differently so I don't know why I bother.
Compared to that fucking amazing 2017 Rumble. Holy shit, take me back there, right?
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:35 PM   #843
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I couldn't tell you a single thing about any rumble from years past, my memory is cursedhausen.


Was there an outrage over it like there was for this one?
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I couldn't tell you a single thing about any rumble from years past, my memory is cursedhausen.


Was there an outrage over it like there was for this one?
Was there even outrage over this one? I don’t know how to quantify that. I’m sure people whinged about Randy Orton winning and the match being boring. Can’t even remember the rest of the card.
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Just wanted to say I didn't mention Cesaro specifically for any reason. Replace him with anyone on the roster, really, and it's better than what we had.


At least Bad Bunny looked good doing his ring work.
Don’t let Cornette hear you saying that about Bad Bunny!
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Compared to that fucking amazing 2017 Rumble. Holy shit, take me back there, right?

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Was there even outrage over that one? I don’t know how to quantify that. I’m sure people whinged about whoever won and the match being boring. Can’t even remember the rest of the card.
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Yeah, I was being sarcastic, because the Rumble has been completely forgettable for years.
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2020 Rumble when Lesnar entered at #1 and eliminated a million guys was great...
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Yeah, I’ve said that one was great before. The show itself around it seemed kind of flat though.

Not every Rumble is going to be 1992. Honestly, where would everyone rank this one and why?
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The overall show or the match?
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Yeah, I’ve said that one was great before. The show itself around it seemed kind of flat though.

Not every Rumble is going to be 1992. Honestly, where would everyone rank this one and why?
I watched it and I would say the lack of creative character stuff during the match left it feeling bland. Obviously it lacked surprises and was reliant on the #30 spot which is probably one of the worst potential outcomes unless the superstar at 30 is a true surprise.

I don't think the Rumble needs any major names coming from outside the promotion but it doesn't hurt to bring back a few crowd favorites. I would have gone with NXT guys that have a strong fan base.

Basically the issue is you have no real thread in this Rumble, AJ is in for a while and seems to play the guy keeping it all together but he get's tossed out unceremoniously, and the same thing with theory. The fans get hot for Orton and Riddle but nothing special happens with either guy.

It was just a basic Rumble with nothing too interesting getting you through it and then Brock comes in and takes it over and that's it. Pretty much a Rumble you can enjoy from highlights but it's not creatively satisfying like 92 with major stories starting and being developed.
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The match.

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I watched it and I would say the lack of creative character stuff during the match left it feeling bland. Obviously it lacked surprises and was reliant on the #30 spot which is probably one of the worst potential outcomes unless the superstar at 30 is a true surprise.

I don't think the Rumble needs any major names coming from outside the promotion but it doesn't hurt to bring back a few crowd favorites. I would have gone with NXT guys that have a strong fan base.

Basically the issue is you have no real thread in this Rumble, AJ is in for a while and seems to play the guy keeping it all together but he get's tossed out unceremoniously, and the same thing with theory. The fans get hot for Orton and Riddle but nothing special happens with either guy.

It was just a basic Rumble with nothing too interesting getting you through it and then Brock comes in and takes it over and that's it. Pretty much a Rumble you can enjoy from highlights but it's not creatively satisfying like 92 with major stories starting and being developed.
Doesn’t seem like a bad take. I definitely think they could have done more with Orton, but I think the point about surprises is subjective. Many people would consider Bad Bunny, Shane McMahon and Drew McIntyre surprises.

Not every Rumble is going to be a masterclass in epic storytelling.
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Drew McIntyre has been gone for a month. Not nearly long enough for his return to have any real impact. Shane McMahon only appeal is nostalgia and doesn't add anything to the rumble itself. Would have rather seen someone who can actually do something interesting. You can't tell me that with Cesaro's incredible physical ability, that they couldn't come up with something that would have been more memorable than whatever terrible looking shit Shane did.

Bad bunny was a surprise but I can only care about celebrity entrants so much, and they'll never match the hype surrounding an actual wrestler.
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I legit didn't even know Drew was gone. Wondered why everyone seemed "surprised".
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Not every Rumble is going to be a masterclass in epic storytelling.
It really should be though. I know WWE's model is totally different now than it was in the 80's and 90's, then everything built up to selling PPV's because that was the highest chance of big big pay days for the company and everyone involved. Every show that WWF had, had to build to the pay per view.

Now and since TV rights deals have come into play, the foot is off the gas creatively and WWE sits fat and happy with no reason to push themselves. The Rumble could be a true masterclass in storytelling, why not? You want to make it something super important that leads to something even more important. You can base the whole start of the year off this one match. And treating The Rumble with that kind of creative respect will only give positive returns year after year to fans.

Still, so many fans watch The Rumble that don't watch WWE normally. Wouldn't it be smart to try and hook them with something really great so that maybe you can get back some of those TV numbers you've been losing for the past 15 or more years?
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Yeah, I’ve said that one was great before. The show itself around it seemed kind of flat though.

Not every Rumble is going to be 1992. Honestly, where would everyone rank this one and why?
Went back and watched the 2019 match. Can’t remember who wins this one. Seth?

Interesting how much and how little has changed in the 3 years since.

Surprise Entrants: Jeff Jarrett, Kurt Angle, Johnny Gargano, Pete Dunne, Aleister Black (5)
Talents no longer in WWE: Samoa Joe, Kurt Hawkins, Dean Ambrose, No Way Jose, Andrade, Aleister Black, Jeff Hardy, Braun Strowman, Nia Jax. (9/30% of the field)
Talents not seen in a long time: Titus O’Neil, Mustafa Ali, Elias
Notable Talents in the same/worse position Kofi, Big E, Nakamura, Corbin, Ziggler
Talents that have been elevated: Drew McIntyre, Xavier Woods, Bobby Lashley

Notable happenings: Opening spot with Jarrett/Elis, Ambrose/Rollins continuation of animosity, Titus O’Neil calling back to his GRR botch, NWH’s conga line, nice little feature for Gargano inc. eliminating Jinder, nice little feature spot for Dunne, Drew looking dominant (only to be eliminated by former partner Ziggler), decent little feature for Black inc. eliminating Ambrose, Lashley as IC champ lasting 12 seconds/taking out Rollins, Nia taking out Truth to enter and taking a Ziggler superkick, a 619, and an RKO, Andrade in the Final 4.

It was Seth that won. Went on to beat Lesnar in the opening match of mania if memory serves. To be fair, can’t remember a great deal of stuff that happened in the Rumble meaning much beyond the match.

Verdict: Better than 2022.
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Went back and watched the 2019 match. Can’t remember who wins this one. Seth?

Interesting how much and how little has changed in the 3 years since.

Surprise Entrants: Jeff Jarrett, Kurt Angle, Johnny Gargano, Pete Dunne, Aleister Black (5)
Talents no longer in WWE: Samoa Joe, Kurt Hawkins, Dean Ambrose, No Way Jose, Andrade, Aleister Black, Jeff Hardy, Braun Strowman, Nia Jax. (9/30% of the field)
Talents not seen in a long time: Titus O’Neil, Mustafa Ali, Elias
Notable Talents in the same/worse position Kofi, Big E, Nakamura, Corbin, Ziggler
Talents that have been elevated: Drew McIntyre, Xavier Woods, Bobby Lashley

Notable happenings: Opening spot with Jarrett/Elis, Ambrose/Rollins continuation of animosity, Titus O’Neil calling back to his GRR botch, NWH’s conga line, nice little feature for Gargano inc. eliminating Jinder, nice little feature spot for Dunne, Drew looking dominant (only to be eliminated by former partner Ziggler), decent little feature for Black inc. eliminating Ambrose, Lashley as IC champ lasting 12 seconds/taking out Rollins, Nia taking out Truth to enter and taking a Ziggler superkick, a 619, and an RKO, Andrade in the Final 4.

It was Seth that won. Went on to beat Lesnar in the opening match of mania if memory serves. To be fair, can’t remember a great deal of stuff that happened in the Rumble meaning much beyond the match.

Verdict: Better than 2022.
Sounds like a good assessment. I have not seen either show. I’m really interested in 2022 and 2015 comparisons.
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Sounds like a good assessment. I have not seen either show. I’m really interested in 2022 and 2015 comparisons.
And we’re off…

First things first, this match is part of a “Best of” on the network. Trolling surely.

We start off with Miz and Truth. Probably one of the most lacklustre first 2 ever.

Surprise Entrants: Bubba Dudley, Boogeyman, DDP (3)

Talents no longer in WWE: Luke Harper, Bray Wyatt, Erik Rowan, Curtis Axel (who is still active in this Rumble 7 years later), Sin Cara, Zack Ryder, Daniel Bryan, Fandango, Tyson Kidd, Stardust, Rusev, Goldust, Adam Rose, Damian Sandow, Jack Swagger, Ryback, Dean Ambrose, Big Show (18)

Notable happenings: great reaction for Bubba in Philly and a great little comedy spot with Truth replacing D-Von, former Wyatt Family members mixing it up, Wyatt/Boogeyman interaction, Bray cuts a promo/owning the field until Bryan arrives, crowd reaction to Bryan, Diamond Cutters, crowd reaction to Bryan’s elimination, The Dusts Collide, Rosebuds catch Kofi, immediate negative reaction to Reigns, Miz tries to take Sandow’s spot to re-enter/Sandow goes in himself/comedy after elimination, CM Punk chants, Titus lasts 4 seconds, Ziggler on fire, Show/Kane dump Ziggler’s lifeless body over the top, Show/Kane dump “Iron Man” Wyatt out, Shield reunion vs Show/Kane, boos for Roman, Show/Kane dump Ambrose, “bullshit” chants, Show goes at it with Kane, crowd boo, Roman elims Show & Kane, crowd boos Roman, beat down of Roman by Show/Kane, “We Want Rusev” chants, Rock arrives, arena goes banana, Rock takes out Show/Kane, crowd boos Roman, wait! Rusev was never eliminated, Rusev is eliminated, crowd boos, Rock raises Roman’s hand, crowd boos. HHH & Steph arrive, Rock raises Roman’s hand again, crowd boos Roman again.

Thoughts: This was a pretty well booked and enjoyable match until about the mid-point. The elimination of Bryan killed the match dead. The unfortunate thing is this was completely avoidable. Bryan was away with an injury, they had him return in January and declare for the Rumble. In Philly. Then they had him eliminated about half way through the match to put Roman over. In Philly. The Show/Kane portion dug up the corpse of the match, and did a Katie Vick. I doubt putting Roman over in Philly would have got a much better of a reaction if they’d held Bryan’s return off until after the Rumble but this was the the route they went with. The surprises were more fun than the 2022 offering and were used to better effect IMO.

Verdict: Really tough one. Without Bryan it would probably have been better than 2022, with Bryan it’s worse.
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2017

Surprise Entrants: Mark Henry, Tye Dillinger

Gone from WWE by 2022: Big Cass, Jericho, Kalisto, Mojo Rawley, Jack Gallagher, Mark Henry, Braun Strowman, Big Show, Dillinger, James Ellsworth, Ambrose, Rusev, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Enzo Amore (15)

Notable occurrences: First 7 entrants no longer work in WWE, Gallagher umbrella spots, Braun clears the field, Braun/Show go at it, 11/12 of the first entrants no longer work in WWE, Ellsworth does not enter, Ambrose/Ellsworth spot, Ellsworth brutal elimination, Corbin eliminates Braun to a big pop, Kofi spot, Cesaro swinging everyone, The Bar eliminate The New Day/Jericho elims The Bar/Cesaro and Sheamus get in each other’s faces, RKO party, Wyatt Family drama, Brock enters, elims Ziggler and Ambrose, Suplex City, F5 party, Enzo vs Brock, Goldberg vs Lesnar, Goldberg gets the bettter of Brock again, Taker appears in the ring, Taker vs Goldberg, Taker elims Goldberg, Roman enters at #30 and gets booed, Roman vs Taker, Reigns elims Taker to big boos, Orton & Wyatt vs Roman, Orton wins.

Thoughts: This was a great Rumble. Not much in the way of surprise entrants but a very strong field with multiple potential winners. The thread of Lesnar vs Goldberg/Goldberg vs Taker/Roman vs Taker that carried the last third of the match was sensational in continuing the Lesnar/Goldberg programme, a first interaction between Taker and Goldberg, and starting up Roman/Taker for Mania. The Wyatt’s programme was kept ticking along too.

Verdict: Head and shoulders over 2022.
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I was at the 2015 Rumble and can confirm what XL said. Bryan's elimination killed the crowd. Rock got a pop and then we all realized what he was there to do. Just took the air right outta the place.

(As a Kane mark, I actually enjoyed his little run with Big Show. But I 100p get why others hated it.)
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For me it’s a similar situation to Brock in this years match; he got a great reaction - especially considering he’d already been out earlier in the night - but it seemed the live crowd quickly worked out “oh, he’s def. gonna win this then, no point getting into to the end of the match”. I will watch the 22 match again, probably after 20 and 21 so that I can draw better comparisons.
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Dude, I’ve tried to be reasonable in all our exchanges and you put this on me!? For shame.
Lol, I didn’t mean for you to do it, specifically. But kudos.
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2020

Surprises: MVP, Keith Lee, Edge, Riddle.

Exits: Rowan, Morrison, Keith Lee, Braun, Karl Anderson, Luke Gallows, Aleister Black, (+ Murphy & AOP). (7)

Brock enters #1 as WWE Champ. Brock vs. Kofi II. Brock vs Mysterios rivalry continues. Big E/Kofi/Rey team up on Brock to a great reaction. No “Kofi Spot”. Shelton vs. Brock. Brock dancing to MVP’s music . Brock vs. Keith Lee. Brock vs. Lee vs. Braun. Brock’s total: 14. Drew eliminates Brock with some help from Ricochet to a HUGE reaction. Drew picks up where Brock left off. Drew/Dolph relationship revisited. EDGE RETURNS!!! Edge and AJ face off. Rated-RKO Reunion. Roman booed. Possibly the best ever final field: Reigns, Orton, Edge, Black, Drew, Owens, Samoa Joe, Rollins. Seth’s Disciples take out half the field. AOP catch Rollins/help eliminate Owens, Murphy helps Seth eliminate Joe, ringside brawl. Rollins tries to team with Roman, takes a beating from the remaining field. “This is awesome” chants during Final 4. Rated-RKO implodes. Edge faces off with Roman. Drew eliminates Roman to win.

Thoughts: Almost perfect Rumble. The inclusion of Brock as Champion from #1 gave an immediate framework to the early stages of the match. It touched on Kofi/Brock after the 8 second match in October, Rey vs. Brock following stuff with Brock and Dominick, the history with Shelton and Brock, framing of Keith Lee as a big test for Brock, Braun coming in and raising the stakes for Brock, low blow from Ricochet that led to a match vs Brock, minimal contact between Brock and Drew leaving it all on the table to their match. Everyone that came out to face Brock was either a well liked babyface or a heel that presented a “challenge” (Rowan) or someone that people wanted to see get their sh*t pushed in. Drew looking like Brock’s equal by taking over the field. Edge’s return probably in the top 3 surprise Rumble entrants of all time, arguably the best ever. Hints at Edge/AJ. RKO reunion and elimination sewing the seeds for their Mania programme. Rollins’ Disciples making his chances of repeating look good. Arguably the strongest ever final field. Very little in the way of a back-and-forth between the final 2 that seems to have become the norm. Only things I’d tweak would be holding off MVP until after Brock is eliminated to give him a little more shine, the timing was a little off with some of the Brock elims in that some were so quick it led to 60-90 seconds of downtime, albeit Brock did enough to fill the time. Riddle was a non-factor in his appearance. The follow up to Keith Lee’s appearance was non-existent. They could have called him up here and made something of him using the momentum from this.

Verdict: Best Rumble match I’ve watched so far. Dare I say better than 92?
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Tbf if you wanted to build a pro wrestler sports entertainer from the ground up, it looks like Randy Orton.
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2021

Surprises: Carlito, Damian Priest, Kane, Hurricane, Christian

Exits: Morrison, Daniel Bryan, Braun

Synopsis: Edge and Orton renew their rivalry from the previous year at 1 & 2. 3-on-1 beat down of Edge. Jeff Hardy in at 5 to help Edge. RKOs for everybody. Edge takes out Randy who is helped to the back. Carlito would have got a nice reaction in front of a live crowd. Ring fills up a bit, guys come in and hit their stuff. Randy worked on backstage. Priest vs Edge. Miz smashes up Bad Bunny’s decks. Miz/JoMo dominate. Priest with double elim. Bunny hits a top rope crossbody (nearly slips off the ropes). Bryan vs. Ricochet. Kane chokeslans Ricochet on the apron. Team Hell No hug/Kane chokeslams DB. Priest elims Kane. Corbin vs. Dom Mysterio continues/Dom elims Corbin. Lashley vs. Big E. Beefy. Hurricane double chokeslam spot calling back to 20 years prior. CHRISTIAN!! returns to a bigger pop than HHH at MSG. 4 guys elim Lashley. C&E reunion. AJ takes Edge’s Spear as a back bump this year after injuring his shoulder the year before taking it with a flip sell. Omos saves AJ and elims Big E and Rey. The Bar go face to face/Big swing to Sheamus/MASSIVE swing to DB. Seth returns from absence. Braun in at #30. Omos saves AJ again. Braun elims The Bar, AJ. Down to the final “6”. Bryan vs. Riddle strike-a-thon Part I & II. Seth elims Bryan. Riddle vs. Rollins. Riddle getting some real shine in this before being eliminated by Seth. Final “4”: Rollins, Braun, Edge, Christian. Rollins tries to team up with Braun, Braun powerbombs Rollins. Braun builds up a head of steam. Edge trying the Benoit vs. Big Show elim. Rollins elims Braun and Christian. BULLSHIT!! Edge elims Seth moments later. Edge wins from #1!! RKO outta nowhere! Orton is still in the Rumble! Edge reverses and elims Orton to actually win the Rumble for the 2nd time and become the 3rd person in history to win from #1.

Thoughts: This felt pretty flat but I think that’s largely down to being in the ThunderDome. Obviously they mishandled Chrsitian’s return by not having him win and go on to Mania to unify the titles (although tbf I’d want to save that until I could do it in front of a capacity Mania crowd), thus forcing Christian into the arms of AEW promoting the demise of the WWE but I’ll set that aside for now. Feel like they didn’t need to cut back to Orton backstage if they wanted to do the “he was never eliminated” deal at the end. That trope has become a little bit played out by now. Carlito was a nice little surprise. Decent amount of “threads” and “moments” through the match.

Verdict: Better than 2022 but not by a mile.
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I haven’t gone back to re-watch it, but I felt at the time that 2020 might have just been the best booked Rumble of all-time when it happened. I wanted to let recency bias die down first, but it’s cool to hear you say it.
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Only if you’re taking me at my word though, right?
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Only if you’re taking me at my word though, right?
I’ll take your word on that.

Heyman and Brock should help put together the Rumble every year.
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I would argue that Kerry Von Erich was never eliminated from the 92 Royal Rumble, but I am pretty sure I would ended up going to a deeper level of hell than the one I'm already going to.
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