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Old 07-23-2021, 04:04 PM   #41
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:38 PM   #42
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Apparently Punk signed with AEW this morning. I wish that he and DB would have been kept under wraps but either way, super exciting news. Now AEW is officially the number one company in the world, blowing WWE and Roman Reigns out of the water.
They’ve got a very similar problem to the WWE, where they cap themselves with bad content that makes whatever good you drop in irrelevant. You’re not replacing anyone with Punk and Bryan. You’re basically just wasting whatever time they might have left on their careers.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:46 PM   #44
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Apparently Punk signed with AEW this morning. I wish that he and DB would have been kept under wraps but either way, super exciting news. Now AEW is officially the number one company in the world, blowing WWE and Roman Reigns out of the water.
I'm excited for Bryan and Punk in AEW but they're not on Roman's level, in terms of star power.
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Times change and context is different — small fish, etc. But the WWE has tried Punk and Bryan as top stars before. Against each other. I wanted to like it as a fan, but it wasn’t exactly revolutionary.
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I'm excited for Bryan and Punk in AEW but they're not on Roman's level, in terms of star power.
Of course they are. They were top faces naturally chosen by the fans in an era that had more people watching. Reigns couldn’t even get over as a face despite massive and sustained company backing.
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Of course they are. They were top faces naturally chosen by the fans in an era that had more people watching. Reigns couldn’t even get over as a face despite massive and sustained company backing.
He couldn’t get over with a certain segment of the audience. Whoever gets pushed into that top spot gets revolted against because kayfabe is dead and the most hardcore fans want to feel smarter than the WWE all the time.

They were cheering Braun Strowman over Roman. Not very hard, but is Braun a bigger wrestler than Roman? Is he a bigger star?

Roman’s push to general audiences and his appearances in film(s) make him a bigger star. Not necessarily someone who gets the best reactions or even has the best matches (although he is one of the best going today), but definitely the biggest star next to John Cena and Goldberg in terms of guys actually doing stuff right now.
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I would guarantee Roman has sold a hell of a lot more merchandise than either punk or bryan.
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I don't think Bryan or Punk will have a massive effect on the ratings immediately... Feel like even if John Cena jumped to AEW, Dynamite might get like 1.5 million or something for the first show, then would go back down to whatever it would be, or slightly above

Feel like the audience can gradually grow over time though if it stays hot and they use Punk/Bryan in a good way...
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Of course they are. They were top faces naturally chosen by the fans in an era that had more people watching. Reigns couldn’t even get over as a face despite massive and sustained company backing.
The company backing is literally what kept him from getting over. As soon as they stopped doing that and turned him heel, everyone did a 180 and raved about how he's the best thing in wrestling right now.
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Punk and Bryan were no-brainer signings from the start. They should have been going after them way earlier than this. They may actually have a strong immediate effect because they will be in different environments. AEW’s best bet was using Khan money to buy talent and create the appearance that the tides were turning in wrestling. This is KIND of that move, but it comes after a lot of WWE-esque bullshit.

If they’re going to get their shit together at some point, now is as good a time as any. Go after Brock and Adam Scherr too. But I just can’t take this promotion seriously. I don’t think they have the creative vision to actually grow.

Besides this week, which again is a good start, have they ever shown any signs of being able to build an audience? The people who do want to tune in for Bryan or Punk, are they going to want to see Kenny Omega terrible emoting and The Young Bucks’ offensive acting?

I think the overlap in the Venn diagram of people who will eat up any old shit is smaller than people think.
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CM Punk is a massive UFC and Film movie star. He shook the world with a promo about 8 years ago and nobody has been right since. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Kenny Omega and Cody Rhodes (who is a star on multiple hit tv shows) definitely have the advantage over Roman, Bobby and WWE now. WWE will soon be struggling to get any attention save for the upcoming Rock appearances. But don't forget that CM Punk is a huge film start too having working in movies like Girl on the Third Floor and the upcoming Jakob's Wife.
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CM Punk is a massive UFC and Film movie star. He shook the world with a promo about 8 years ago and nobody has been right since. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Kenny Omega and Cody Rhodes (who is a star on multiple hit tv shows) definitely have the advantage over Roman, Bobby and WWE now. WWE will soon be struggling to get any attention save for the upcoming Rock appearances. But don't forget that CM Punk is a huge film start too having working in movies like Girl on the Third Floor and the upcoming Jakob's Wife.
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Seriously, you can never be sure in this wrestling bubble who is fucking joking and not.
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Bryan I think is a far better get. Punk just feels like he missed the boat. He could have been there from the start. He could have shown up at the first All Out. I cant think of any way his character benefits from waiting 2 and a half years to then join AEW.
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I've been anti-CM Punk from the getgo. I just never thought he was that good. He didn't change my opinion of him like Daniel Bryan did
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Old 07-24-2021, 01:30 PM   #58
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Yeah Punk could always cut a promo and he was a decent hand but I never thought he was anything special. He's the same to me as Kenny Omega. Overrated af and bores me to tears. Also thought Dbry was extremely overrated but he brought me around after awhile.
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I also feel like being 42 with 7 years of ring rust will not bode well for Punk. It's also been a long time since the last time he got smacked around in UFC so I dunno if he's kept in shape as much since then. He's young enough still he can get it together after a bit and work the rust off, but I don't think he's gonna look great when he first returns.
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I always thought Kevin Owen's was a better version of CM Punk.

Bit of a different kind of smarmy asshole than punk, but a great smarmy asshole all the same, and better at improving on the spot.
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That's a great comparison and I agree 100%

I actually love KO. For me he is one of the most exciting people to watch. Love his matches.
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I'd take Punk over KO anyway. KO would've been great in AEW though had he chosen to leave WWE.
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If I was starting a company KO would be high on my list of start up talent. Very high.

He has charisma and can promo. But most importantly he fits a niche that only a couple talents per generation seem to fit: The big guy that can GO more like a cruiser/light heavyweight. He's like Bam Bam Bigelow. He's an almost unique talent that I would find very very hard to pass up.

There are a lot of guys like Punk, and while he used to stand out more for his differences, now he won't. There are other people who work his style a lot better than he does, and that's even assuming he can still go like he used to. I have no doubt he will still be great on the stick tho and that counts for a lot.

I'd honestly take both of them in a start up company. Punks hype train would immediately make him more over, but hypothetically lets say they were both coming in with the same level of hype between the 2 of them. If that was the case and all things considered equal I would have KO as a main event scene regular (not the tip top level guys, but always in the picture) and probably have Punk in the upper midcard, occasionally working a main event program.
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Same. I don't really see them as comparable but I consider Punk a much bigger deal than KO.

If Dbry and Punk had not come along and gotten my interest I probably would have quit watching wrestling back then.
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I really liked KO's initial run when he got called up and was demolishing Cena but I think the last thing I really enjoyed of KO was his feud with Jericho. He hasn't really felt like as big of a star to me since that feud.
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Old 07-24-2021, 02:56 PM   #66
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I want to say Punk is like a poor mans Christian.

But that wouldn't be fair to Christian.
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Old 07-24-2021, 03:03 PM   #67
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Bryan I think is a far better get. Punk just feels like he missed the boat. He could have been there from the start. He could have shown up at the first All Out. I cant think of any way his character benefits from waiting 2 and a half years to then join AEW.
Kinda feel this way too I think? Bryan is a generational in ring talent who also happens to be massively entertaining. He will fit in and flourish wherever he goes.

Punk is going to do… pretty much what Moxley’s already doing? But without the hardcore component. And it’s totally fair to say that Moxley took Punk’s gimmick but he’s made it his own.
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Same. I don't really see them as comparable but I consider Punk a much bigger deal than KO.

If Dbry and Punk had not come along and gotten my interest I probably would have quit watching wrestling back then.
Punk is a bigger star, for sure. I just think Owen's is more talented in certain areas, and more fun to watch in general.
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KO has had several fantastic runs in WWE no doubt. But there is "just something" about CM Punk and it's always been that way. But thinking back and comparing their great runs in WWE side by side they may be close to equal.
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I wasn't watching WWE for the years during Punk's run but watched a few clips of him last year, in-ring segments with Vince McMahon and stuff and he seems really great on the mic... never seen a CM Punk wrestling match I don't think tbh
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Punk vs Cena at MITB 2011 was really good

I also really liked Punk vs Lesnar at SummerSlam 2013
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Old 07-24-2021, 07:13 PM   #72
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I wasn't watching WWE for the years during Punk's run but watched a few clips of him last year, in-ring segments with Vince McMahon and stuff and he seems really great on the mic... never seen a CM Punk wrestling match I don't think tbh
Yeah you gotta go to the network and watch the Cena/Punk Match at MITB 2011. One of the all time great matches. The pre match promo will catch you up I'm sure.
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I liked CM Punk, but a lot of that was smark sheep mentality. I was supposed to like CM Punk. If you think back to his actual work, there are blips that are actually good (his feud with Raven, his OVW mid-card stuff, his feuds with Jeff Hardy and Cena were both great), but a lot of it really didn’t deliver. I kind of forced myself to enjoy him with Paul Heyman at the time.

He can talk his ass off, and he seems to appreciate what a good wrestling program is. And I don’t think he’d sign with anyone if he wasn’t “ready.” I’m sure he’s every bit CM Punk he wants to be. That has a cap though.

I don’t miss him. He’s not one of the greatest of all-time. He is going to be over with this audience and he’ll bust his ass in front of the niche. Cool.

I’m more interested in the idea of him blowing up on Kenny Omega and the stories that come out afterwards.
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I think what was bad for Punk was being forced into the WWE mold that he was so resistant to. Danielson for whatever reason had a lot more perseverance and ability to work well under almost any circumstances. Punk is a bit too stubborn for that. If WWE had been working with Punk after the "Yes" era then I'm sure his experience would have been a lot different because Danielson was the guy to really open Vince's eyes to the ROH era worker. Even though Punk did have a year plus title reign, and get to work Taker at Mania. I don't know, maybe it was just Triple H holding him down, maybe he couldn't get the WWE team to see him on the level he saw himself. I don't really know, it's been a long ass time since I've watch anything to do with Punk aside from MMA commentary.
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Kinda feel this way too I think? Bryan is a generational in ring talent who also happens to be massively entertaining. He will fit in and flourish wherever he goes.

Punk is going to do… pretty much what Moxley’s already doing? But without the hardcore component. And it’s totally fair to say that Moxley took Punk’s gimmick but he’s made it his own.
Even if Mox ripped parts of his character from Punk's, Moxley has more of a right to portray those aspects because he never went and got destroyed in real fights.

No matter how good Punk is on the mic, who can ever remotely believe that guy could win a fight against anybody but the Marko Stunt's or Peter Avalon's?

Nobody who saw those UFC fights is going to look at Punk as being able to beat Miro or Archer, or outwrestle anybody with any real skill. Its the biggest obstacle he has, moreso than not having a match for 7 and a half years, moreso them him weighing like 165 pounds now, moreso than hum being almost 43.

CM Punk is not the guy he was during his peak 2011-2012 run, and much like what happened in 2013 and 2014 when he quit, Bryan is going to outshine him, and how long until that eats him up and he gets bitter like the malcontent he is.
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Even if Mox ripped parts of his character from Punk's, Moxley has more of a right to portray those aspects because he never went and got destroyed in real fights.

No matter how good Punk is on the mic, who can ever remotely believe that guy could win a fight against anybody but the Marko Stunt's or Peter Avalon's?

Nobody who saw those UFC fights is going to look at Punk as being able to beat Miro or Archer, or outwrestle anybody with any real skill. Its the biggest obstacle he has, moreso than not having a match for 7 and a half years, moreso them him weighing like 165 pounds now, moreso than hum being almost 43.

CM Punk is not the guy he was during his peak 2011-2012 run, and much like what happened in 2013 and 2014 when he quit, Bryan is going to outshine him, and how long until that eats him up and he gets bitter like the malcontent he is.
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Punk vs Cena at MITB 2011 was really good

I also really liked Punk vs Lesnar at SummerSlam 2013
That summer slam match with Punk is probably my favorite Lesnar match since his return.
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Wrestling fans amuse me. Remember how they reacted when Punk lost his UFC fight? So fickle. This guy thought eating fried chicken would give him muscles and he healed from an injury without any prescription drugs. Punk is a lunatic and his bullshit caught up with him in court where he cried like a baby.

I'm glad that WWE doesn't have to do business with such a pri madonna. Let's see how long he lasts in AEW.
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I don't understand where the CM Punk revisionist history comes from. He was the hottest act in wrestling when it needed a kick in the butt. If it wasn't for Rock/Cena, he'd have headlined 2 WrestleManias in a row. He kept me engaged. He was an incredible worker in the sense that he actually understands ring psychology. I understand he can be a twat and that causing some of the hate but is the UFC failure really that big of a deal? At the risk of sounding iike Jim Cornette (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), 85% of the AEW and WWE don't look like they could beat anyone's ass in a shoot.

CM Punk and DBry single handedly are going to make me watch AEW consistently and maybe even purchase a PPV if they don't have them involed with some of the cartoonish shit AEW has. CM Punk is a STAR and he can give programs the drama and psychology that makes real money. CM Punk didn't feel out of place with The Rock, John Cena, Stone Cold Steve Austin, or Brock Lesnar. He had an aura about him and that is because you knew the chip on his shoulder was real and you know his drive to shove it up everyone's ass was real. DBry's journey is comparable to Mick Foley, only he got a greater moment.

This is actually a legitimate oppurtunity for AEW to hook some lapsed fans if they don't turn them off with wrestling dinosaurs and flipamanias that mean nothing. Jericho/Gage is a terrible way to use Jericho. Gage is a piece of shit and shouldn't be on a national wrestling show.
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