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Old 10-03-2019, 01:18 AM   #401
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More than solid first show. Stoked for next week.

Also, I’m sure xrod pours the milk first and then the cereal. He seems to be that type of douche bag.
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I thought it was a good show and I typically watch anything other than WWE. I don't like how they have a commentator with a mask, that's so silly. I also can't stand big impact moves not being finishers. The first match seemed to have like 5 spots where the match should have ended. I just don't like the reliance on false finishes that these "minor" leagues do.
I do think this was a great start. JR and Shiavoni were great.
You know, I started to make a troll comment about when Lucha Bros came out with suits on that it "took me out of the show"... but I'd be afraid someone would take me seriously. Excalibur's mask does not bother me one bit. The only time someone in a mask bothered me on commentary was Ring of Honor when Steve Corino had started wearing one on for seemingly no reason other than people were supposed to believe that it wasn't Steve Corino. If it were explained, I missed that episode. It seemed like a joke that someone forgot the punchline to or some angle that never played out. Like they were trying to do the Mr. America angle but lost interest in the backswing. Had nothing to do with his ability as a commentator, though, or the couple of minutes of airtime they showed him each week.

I do agree with 8 billion huge spots not being the end of matches, but that's something endemic in wrestling as a whole anymore. I don't like it here, but I also don't like it in WWE, nor NJPW, nor ROH, nor LOLTNA... just everywhere. Especially when you have something like a triple flip canadian destroyer from the top rope to the outside through a flaming table leading to a kickout at two, then that leads to a Three-Handled Moss Covered Gamily Gradunzel, countered into a double-team Doomsday Device... but then the match ends when one guy lands a knee strike because it has a cool name.

*THAT* takes me out of a show more than some guy talking off camera but you know he's wearing a mask...
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The goal is to get people talking about your product. If AEW had more people talking, that's a win for them.
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I mean in this day and age, more tweets is winning.
Twitter engagement is a more valuable metric than ratings to advertisers. By far
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Compairing AEW to NXT makes AEW seem like bush league. Tacticlaly a smart move from the WWE to put then against one another.
This. WWE are very smart with how they've positioned things. When NXT ends up beating AEW in the ratings, they're going to be the fourth highest rated show getting beat by the WWE's third brand. A lot of fans will act like they don't care, but this will certainly ice them.

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As much as I can dig all the gushing about Schiavone in this thread, I can still recall when he was phoning it in the last few years on WCW TV. Calling everything a sidewalk slam and whatnot. Interesting turn from touting him ironically to genuine nostalgic feels.
This is what happens when you call bullshit like it's good shit. Jim Ross was always smart enough to call out the bad stuff in front of him, so he retained credibility. Shiavone ended up becoming a parody of himself.

I mean, it's largely the WCW product's fault too. I don't hate Shiavone for it, and he's a funny chap, but I think people forget that Shiavone was mocked mercilessly for a decade there.

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I mean in this day and age, more tweets is winning.
Eh, it's one indicator of buzz. People tweeting about you doesn't mean it is positive, and it doesn't mean it's going to translate to any other metric even if it is. It also doesn't mean that they're going to be talking about you next week.

I'm pretty sure AEW is going to kill it this week, but very slowly, as the sheen wears off and the goofy stuff starts happening on TV more and more often, it's going to drip off as NXT gets stronger for being solidly booked each week.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:36 AM   #406
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Overall, I liked both shows. Although, in an abridging of my prevous comment in the other thread, it feels like WWE is trying too hard up against a product that is essentially just starting from scratch.

My critique here is that I hope AEW doesn't try to do a bunch of bullshit just to try to be major league top-notch in a day. Even WWE wasn't WWE overnight. Neither was WCW. I hope they don't rush shit and grow organically.
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We're way past growing organically
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There's no reason that a fresh wrestling promotion can't be big quickly. When people talk about wrestling, they talk about it as "wrestling." Sometimes you still hear "WWF" pop up. There's a history to it that is ingrained in people and culture that doesn't need a WWE brand name to flower. A big time presentation on a big time channel is enough to get some people watching.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:45 AM   #409
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WWE doing their best to prevent it from happening would be a big reason. Did it to World of Sport when ITV competed against their UK plans, to ROH a few years ago when it looked like ROH might finally reach the next level of growth, and recently against AAA by trying to take steam away from their MSG show.

Realistically, AEW probably needs a good 2-3 years to be established enough to potentially start becoming a legit WCW-like threat to WWE. Took WCW almost a year before Nitro became a legit threat to RAW and they were an established company that already had a presence on tv beforehand.

Impact blew their chance of ever becoming a real threat to WWE because they mishandled things from the start and whenever they tried to grow, they went about it in a wreckless way that crashed down every time leading to them never really growing their audience nor their status.
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If you compare AEW to NXT:

AEW has a much better Tag Division and a much better men's roster. The only place NXT has AEW beat is the women's roster.

NXT probably comes across as the lesser show not being aired in front of 10,000 seat arena.

Im going to have to wait to hear the commentary but I think AEW beats them on that too.
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Not the greatest video/view...but you can sort of see Jack Evans fall on his face at 1:04

this is the match I thought should have been on the actual show
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We're way past growing organically
I mean as opposed to doing shit just because WWE is doing something. That's one of the biggest things that got TNA in trouble throughout their entire time of being a thing, even through all the mismanagement, wasted money, and misused talent, they were trying to play catch-up and instantly fill the void WCW left behind instead of just worrying about themselves and letting their own product become its own product. If that makes sense.
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Something unrelated I meant to mention earlier: when they were having that little "confrontation", it's kinda weird how Jack Evans and Jason Mewes kinda look alike in a Kurt Angle/Frank Trigg way.
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I mean, it's largely the WCW product's fault too. I don't hate Shiavone for it, and he's a funny chap, but I think people forget that Shiavone was mocked mercilessly for a decade there.


No, you dumb fuck. Everybody remembers how bad he was. That's why his podcast--followed by his awesome performances in MLW were such a revelation.
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Looks like I won't be popping into that thread once I get around to watching NXT tonight, then.
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In addition to the Cody/Jericho title match, I could totally see an 8-man tag at Full Gear. LAX, Hager, and Guevara vs. The Bucks, Dustin, and a mystery partner who turns out to be the debuting Marty Scurll.
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xrod still confused as to why his subjective opinion isn’t more important than which was more popular.

I bet most people here found the matches on AEW last night better than the matches on Raw or Smackdown recently. So if he wants to use that metric and ignore which draws more people then AEW has defeated WWE’s MAIN PRODUCT!!!

AEW WINS AGAIN!!!
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I kinda want Dustin to get a bit of a serious run instead of just being used to put the young guys over and take the fall in tag matches. He just had arguably the best match of his career, he’s in the best shape of his career. It would be cool to see him have the serious run he never got the chance to have.
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Enjoyed this a bunch. A bit wonky in the beginning, but that's to be expected I guess. Hearing Tony and JR was wonderful.

Pac is great. I'm glad Daniels & Kaz will represent SCU (nothing against Scorpio, but I'm a big fan of Daniels). Moxley taking out Omega was fun. Loved seeing Hager out there. It's a bit weird to me that he's seen as "a hoss," but I think he can do some v good things as that.

Lots to look forward to for next week
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It's so true.

I get it's a "war" and it's part of the marketing. But why not just enjoy the wealth of wrestling now on television? Who cares if AEW BEATS WWE INTO A LIVING DEATH or vice versa.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:40 AM   #423
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104/163 posts in the NXT thread are noid posts and 2nd place is xrod with 22. Oof.
What is your point? FYI, this reply is my 20th post in this thread...
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xrod still confused as to why his subjective opinion isn’t more important than which was more popular.

I bet most people here found the matches on AEW last night better than the matches on Raw or Smackdown recently. So if he wants to use that metric and ignore which draws more people then AEW has defeated WWE’s MAIN PRODUCT!!!

AEW WINS AGAIN!!!
Really? So my saying this one episode of NXT was better than this one episode of AEW to you means "AEW sucked and Raw and Smackdown are way better"???

You are just making all sorts of incorrect conclusions.

Just so you know, I rank wrestling shows this week as follows:
1. NXT
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3. RAW

NXT went all out THIS week and had a better show THIS week. It's literally all I said.
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XRod, it's also that you're just a gaping asshole of a poster.
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What is your point? FYI, this reply is my 20th post in this thread...
My point is that the TPWW NXT thread is a very low quality product with hugely inflated numbers.
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You would enjoy a contrarian killjoy for contrarian killjoy's sake.

Though, you're right in the sense that I do get a MASSIVE kick out of hurling abuse at him. And probably post more as a result. Controversy Creates Cash #EricBischoff
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It's clear you all have such bias for AEW that you can't even consider being impartial.

I say NXT had a better show, and your fandom takes that as I hate AEW, and your best response is name calling, cause that is how to properly defend your position.

I don't know how to make it any clearer other then I enjoyed NXT more this week. Anything else you think that means about my overall opinion on AEW is your own mind's doing.
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Your months of desperate, awkward, shitting on AEW for reasons that make no sense as if you’re weirdly insecure on WWE’s behalf is more the reason you’re a ridiculous person. And why you are being ridiculed as such.
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Its not that. When he posts 3 other people post. We all talk more.
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It's clear you all have such bias for AEW that you can't even consider being impartial.

I say NXT had a better show, and your fandom takes that as I hate AEW, and your best response is name calling, cause that is how to properly defend your position.

I don't know how to make it any clearer other then I enjoyed NXT more this week. Anything else you think that means about my overall opinion on AEW is your own mind's doing.
You knew which show you were going to like more on tuesday just like they did. Objectivity is in pretty short supply here.
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ITV fucked it already. Supposed to be on their on demand service at 7pm. Still nowhere to be seen at 8:40pm. No results when you search AEW.
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Though, you're right in the sense that I do get a MASSIVE kick out of hurling abuse at him. And probably post more as a result. Controversy Creates Cash #EricBischoff

Addressed it.
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It's clear you all have such bias for AEW that you can't even consider being impartial.

I say NXT had a better show, and your fandom takes that as I hate AEW, and your best response is name calling, cause that is how to properly defend your position.

I don't know how to make it any clearer other then I enjoyed NXT more this week. Anything else you think that means about my overall opinion on AEW is your own mind's doing.
lol most people think NXT was a titch better. They also just enjoyed both shows rather than seeing the need to dump on one or the other.

You're just a killjoy. Probably a troll from TPWW's past.
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Which show was better is not quantifiable. Some people will think AEW better. Others NXT. That's not hate or bias. It's preference. And in that sense, nobody can be right.

What is objective is which show had more buzz and was being talked about more. If the was in fact AEW, then that's a win for AEW and loss for NXT, since the point of putting NXT on network tv at its timeslot was seemingly to try and take the piss outta AEW.
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Which show was better is not quantifiable. Some people will think AEW better. Others NXT. That's not hate or bias. It's preference. And in that sense, nobody can be right.
Except it is hate and bias when just because somebody says NXT has a better show all these AEW super supporters have shitfits.

I'm not the one in this thread calling people douchebags or gaping assholes.

Saying I'm shitting on AEW for no reason. There is a very specific reason, and that's because saying anything but AEW is the greatest thing even works multiple users here into an absolute uproar where they just make up all this horrible stuff I said about AEW.

I got this much anger by saying NXT had a better show. It's all I said, and these guys are going out of there ways to count how many posts I made in the NXT thread, which oh by the way, is the same amount I made in this AEW thread.

You know what's also weird, when I posted praise and excitement about AEW in the NXT thread, nobody lost their shit.

When I takes about things NXT did that I didn't like, nobody lost their shit.

But God forbid I don't blow loads to AEW, well then I'm the biased one.

Hardcore AEW fans suck and are the biggest drawback to what otherwise is a mostly enjoyable product.
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When I takes about things NXT did that I didn't like, nobody lost their shit.
When you start saying dumb things to try to hate on NXT in the same manner, I will be sure to ridicule for it. Like, say... if you switched and seriously began posting stuff like "Another win in the ratings for AEW! NXT's response?" and then posted a tweet from an NXT wrestler and try to use it as a "gotcha" toward NXT, I would shit on you for saying something stupid. Kinda like I did when you made this post...

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Another million views in the bank for NXT!

AEW's response...



Nice one "Chris"
That's why you catch hell when you try to shit on AEW and others don't. Because you're a try-hard. And you say really dumb, nonsensical things in a smug manner on NXT's behalf. And it's gross to people.
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By the way, 1.4 million viewers in the bank for AEW!

I would post WWE's response but Seth Rollins apparently deleted his Twitter.
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