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Old 11-23-2018, 10:52 PM   #41
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I'm gonna buy one of his shirts.
Why? Did he say he hated black people?
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:09 AM   #42
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What it seemed like to me.
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:38 AM   #43
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From this week's Observer:






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NJPW/Japan notes from Meltzer


* The company has a long-term vision for Europe as part of its world expansion, but right now the goal is to get television in as many markets in Europe as possible before doing anything else.


* On Twitter, somebody unearthed perhaps the most unique wrestling product endorsement of all-time, from the 50's in Japan where they had newspaper and magazine ads for Rikidozan vibrators. In the 00s, during the Bob Sapp phenomenon, they had Bob Sapp dildos.

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ROH/ALL IN

* Silas Young was offered a new three-year deal that right now he’s expected to accept. There were rumors of him leaving because he was at the 11/26 Raw show, but he was there because his son, a big WWE fan, wanted to attend.


* Stephen Amell revealed that he suffered a fractured left hip doing the ALL IN match with Daniels. This came during the middle of filming the “Arrow” series. He noted that the episode that aired on 11/26 was the one right after suffering the injury.

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* With Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day coming on Mondays and Tuesdays this year, they are taping television ahead of time both days. Given the holidays and the overall declining trend of the ratings, these shows are likely to do the lowest ratings in the history of Raw and the lowest ratings for Smackdown since it’s move to Tuesdays.


* One wrestler with experience working with tables, ladders and chairs noted to us that putting Strowman in a TLC match coming back from elbow surgery, if he indeed does do the show, is the worst thing possible. It was noted that the worst thing about working with tables, ladders and chairs is the damage it does to your elbows. Unless you want to get your face and head destroyed, you have to get your arms/hands up for all the chair and ladder shots and they almost smash the hell out of your elbows.


* Big Show, who talked of retirement previously, has signed a new multi-year deal that will keep him wrestling in WWE for the foreseeable future.


* Big Show is taking time off due to being immobile because of injuries, which is why he turned face on SMACKDOWN LIVE as a way of writing him off television.


* Shane Helms is coming into Orlando this week as he is next to coach at the PC. Helms will also be working as an agent at NXT house shows. If this goes well it's expected he might be offered a job full-time in either position.


* Meltzer on this week's RAW - This show was pretty bad. Boring, almost nothing good past the last few minutes of a Rollins vs. Ziggler match and some of the worst overacting by Roode in a segment where Maverick pissed on his robe. The Ambrose segments in the doctor’s office and the Maverick pissing on Roode’s robe were outdated comedy and didn’t work. Yes, Vince McMahon wrote much of the show himself this week. Raw really feels like it’s missing star power. The stuff with Ambrose comes across like a desperate idea to get him booed. The heel turn just isn't working very well so far.


* RAW had 7,500 fans in attendance this week. SMACKDOWN LIVE had 8,000 fans in attendance this week.


* Meltzer on Rusev - Rusev is less over without Aiden English and English has been written off of television and is being used instead as the Curt Hawkins of the house show tours. Change for the sake of change that results in everyone being less over is not creativity, it’s stupidity.
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lol signing Big Show to a multi-year deal only for him to go back offscreen again. Excellent con job for him.
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:35 PM   #46
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He also called out KFC for being “lower class food.”
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* Meltzer on Rusev - Rusev is less over without Aiden English and English has been written off of television and is being used instead as the Curt Hawkins of the house show tours. Change for the sake of change that results in everyone being less over is not creativity, it’s stupidity.
Knew that would happen.
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* At a meet and greet in Melbourne, Australia, Cody was asked about a new promotion and said to wait for January as an announcement will be made, and said the announcement would be bigger than anyone expects.
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Cody and Elite should be going to WWE rather than being ambitious to start their own promotion.
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Oh You Didn't Know Podcast w/ Brad Shepard

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* Vince's opinion of ALL ELITE WRESTLING - “So I talked to some sources in the company about this and it was pretty clear that hardly anybody cared about All Elite Wrestling. In fact, they went on to question the credibility of Dave’s source and elaborated that the very idea that WWE would give Cody’s potential company that much credit to the level where they try to lock their talent up is nuts.”



* Florida is likely to land WrestleMania 36. Minnesota isn't really being talked about at all by anyone in WWE. No specific city yet but it seems to be between Orlando, Miami, Tampa and Jacksonville. Reiterates Vince loves Florida and New Orleans for WrestleManias more than anywhere else.

Seattle & St. Louis two of the cities getting XFL Teams.
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Kind of got a feeling that All Elite is either going to be on TNT or Netflix.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:00 PM   #55
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Well, they are different delivery mechanisms of televised content.
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Would you trademark the name for a show and tease all these announcements re: your promotion that everyone assumes will be getting a show, if you didn't have a deal locked? I criticized Cody for the "Field of Dreams" approach to promoting All In, but it seems even more cart-before-the-horsey to promote something "big" re: these trademarks if you don't have anything big. Surely they've learnt from TNA?

That's why my feeling is TNT. It's got a larger penetration than USA and has had wrestling in the past. The name "Dynamite" suits the station too. But that could be an innocuous coincidence. I don't think a deal with WGN America has that big a pop to it, and I don't think that's "bigger than expected."

But with TV being archaic, you have to think that streaming is the future. But there are all these separate networks. Disney has one coming out. It's all a bit much. Piggy-backing off an existing one makes the most sense. Content is what keeps these things chugging along, and having weekly wrestling content (or even monthly) is something that hasn't really been trialed by an OTT service.

Netflix has GLOW. They've done some crossover work with WWE, but maybe they are looking for actual wrestling content for their service now? Netflix does differ between countries, but it potentially allows All Elite to have an instant global audience.

If I were them, I'd probably try and get a limited run series on Netflix or Disney -- maybe that is the "All Out" trademark -- and use that as an advertisement for my cable television program, and try to use that to segue international television deals to ride that last wave of TV momentum as it fizzles out, but ensuring you have a foot in the door for later streaming content.

Say you can get 10 episodes on Netflix/Disney. You can tell a complete arc, crown your champions, whatever. You can even end on a cliffhanger. You can promote the show on TNT, but the streaming content can live on and serve as a constant introduction to the world of All Elite.

You can do your Double or Nothing show and try to top All In, but you can also keep "All Out" as a limited run Netflix/Disney series and maybe add a "season 2" (for lack of a better term) the following year, if there's the demand for it, and use that to try and triangulate your audiences.

So you basically run basic cable weekly, the world's largest streaming service for a limited time each year and iPPV. So their Tuesday Night Dynamite show is something like SmackDown, All Out is more like an NXT Takeover and their yearly PPV is like their attempt at "their version of WrestleMania." Realistically, I think they could get away with two. Keep the All In period and try and use that to get people in yearly and also try and jump on WrestleMania weekend.
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Actually, a shower thought I just had: Cody said this in Australia. Presumably to Australians. It doesn't really make sense to make a big deal out of an American cable deal that isn't going to get your show shown to the market you are teasing in front of.

Using that deduction -- unless Cody is talking out his ass -- an international streaming deal makes the most sense. Why would you promote something as "big" in Australia when you could just sidestep the question or suggest it's big for American audiences and hopefully Australia will be next? And it only really makes sense for that to be international.
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NXT Takeover Brooklyn has moved to Friday Night and the HOF has moved to Saturday Night.

NXT and the MSG show will no longer be in conflict w/ one another now.
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good that will help both shows out, hurt the Friday indy shows though
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NXT and the MSG show will no longer be in conflict w/ one another now.
Fuck.

This means I'll have to add another hotel day if I want to see NXT and Mania. Balls.
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Awesome. Probably going to all three now. When do tickets go on sale for NXT?
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Very interesting move for them though. Think it shows a little concern they're going to be upstaged?

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if in the future they do spread WrestleMania out to two nights and keep Takeover on the Friday and do the Hall of Fame on the Thursday. That way they can potentially block out Friday-Monday with wrestling shows.
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That news makes me want to jump for joy. I was always going to the MSG show but sad I'd miss Takeover. No longer.
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Very interesting move for them though. Think it shows a little concern they're going to be upstaged?

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if in the future they do spread WrestleMania out to two nights and keep Takeover on the Friday and do the Hall of Fame on the Thursday. That way they can potentially block out Friday-Monday with wrestling shows.
The only way they'd do Takeover on Friday after the FOX move is if it aired immediately after SDLive ends. The HOF might move to Thursday starting in 2020 for sure.

I have been thinking WM will get to the point it has to be two days long eventually. Sell double the tickets, make double the profits.
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Miami hosting the SuperBowl in 2020 knocks it out of contention for hosting WM36. Cities raise taxes to host big events like SB and WM to help pay for things and that, along with the reasoning that tourism departments would market the SB over WM until February, is why WM and the SB have never been held in the same city in the same calendar year.



Orlando, Tampa and Jacksonville looking more likely as the frontrunners to host WM36 in 2020.
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Becky Lynch
The reason Lynch hasn’t worked house shows or done anything physical on television is that she also hasn’t been cleared as of press time. She was cleared from the concussion, but not from the nasal fracture.


TLC
The show isn’t sold out, but there are very few tickets left on the primary market and there are only 800 left on the secondary market -- but even so the demand isn’t that high as the price for entry is $51.


MMA
The 11/24 debut of Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy MMA, built around the third Tito Ortiz vs. Chuck Liddell fight, is estimated at doing 40,000 PPV buys. Very underwhelming.


TV Ratings
Ratings were bad this week for both major WWE shows. RAW broke the all-time modern record for least-watched episode with a 1.61 rating and 2,286,000 viewers. There was a December 23, 1996 episode of RAW that did a 1.5 rating head-to-head with Nitro, which did a 3.1 rating head-to-head. Aside from that, this was the lowest rating for a WWE Monday night show, including Prime Time Wrestling, dating back to 1984. Baron Corbin's presence has seemed to repel viewership.

Bayley and Rousey should be big with teenage girls, but Bayley’s been botched at a level where she’s not going to have any significant appeal and when Rousey comes out, you don’t hear women cheering, you hear men. RAW did a 0.47 in 12-17 (down 14.5 percent from last week), 0.55 in 18-34 (down 8.3 percent), 1.07 in 35-49 (up 9.2 percent from last week) and 0.87 in 50+ (down 9.4 percent).

SMACKDOWN on 12/4 did 1,948,000 viewers. It was the lowest rating the show has ever done since moving to its live Tuesday night time slow with the exception of the 1,921,000 viewers on November 8, 2016, the night of the last presidential election. All demos were scary low by usual standards. SMACKDOWN did a 0.37 in 12-17 (down 21.3 percent from last week), 0.45 in 18-34 (down 21.1 percent), 0.87 in 35-49 (down 17.1 percent) and 0.78 in 50+ (down 10.3 percent).


Dragon Gate
Dragon Gate is the second most popular promotion at Korakuen Hall behind only New Japan. PAC winning the "Open the Dream Gate Title" was a standing room only crowd at the show. They overflowed Korakuen Hall with 1,858 people.


NJPW
FITE TV will be airing an Internet PPV of Wrestle Kingdom for $35. Not sure why you would order that when you could get the same show on New Japan World plus a month subscription for less than $9, but FITE is more convenient for some people to stream than New Japan World.


MLW
MLW announced the first of what they are hoping will be regular live shows on Bein Sports. They will be airing one hour live on 12.14.18.


WWE HOF
The reason behind NXT Takeover and the 2019 Hall Of Fame switching nights be might to accommodate The Rock. Dwayne Johnson is rumored to be the headliner for the HOF. If Johnson isn't it, then the reason for the move is to avoid NJPW/ROH at Madison Square Garden. Perhaps there is the feeling that, because of the respective building sizes and setups that more people would be at the MSG show and they didn’t want the news stories about how a rival promotion outdrew them. NXT will absolutely sell out once tickets are available for Takeover. This is a one-year thing and in 2020 things have to be changed since the Friday show will be a live Smackdown. So NXT or Hall of Fame would be Saturday and the other event would have to be on Thursday.


WWE interested in New Japan star
Kushida is a name that has been talked about for weeks by WWE management. He’s under contract to New Japan until the end of January.


WWE Queen of the Ring
An idea being talked about for 2019 would be a Queen of the Ring tournament with the main roster women. At this point it’s just an idea thrown around but they are looking for ideas for a second all women’s PPV show next year.


Why you will never see Men vs Women in WWE again
There was a promise to Mattel years ago when the deal was first made that they would never portray men physically overpowering women.


WWE Attendance
RAW doing 6,200 in Houston, one of the best wrestling markets in the country, is not good. SMACKDOWN only drew 3,800 fans in Austin the next night. The 12/5 WWE show in Santiago, Chile drew a nearly sold out crowd of 10,000 fans.


WrestleMania 35
WWE might be planning a Sasha/Bayley vs Trish/Lita bout for the show.
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I have been thinking WM will get to the point it has to be two days long eventually. Sell double the tickets, make double the profits.
Jesus. I hope not. Talk about over saturation, or completing ignoring the concept of quality over quantity, which is already an issue.

In fairness, I barely watch as it is, due to the quality or lack thereof... generally catch WM, Rumble, Summerslam, the occasional Raw or SD segment, hour, or half hour... but come on. Two days of WM? Who's going to watch that? It's already too much as it is with the ridiculous "pre-show", etc.
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I don’t know, 2 three hour shows could be more palatable than 1 seven hour show.
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Sure, but I doubt that's what they'd end up doing. It'd just become two 4-5 hour shows.
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They don't need 2 days tho. Do they really have so much going on that they need to pack a huge 4 hr show? I think not.

Obvs the titles should be defended. So that's 8 matches right there. Maybe a couple grudge matches and you've got 10 matches. Do we really need more than that?
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8 matches is the perfect # to me for WM
But they like to do 13-16 when you throw the pre-shows in.
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The only way they'd do Takeover on Friday after the FOX move is if it aired immediately after SDLive ends. The HOF might move to Thursday starting in 2020 for sure.

I have been thinking WM will get to the point it has to be two days long eventually. Sell double the tickets, make double the profits.
I completely forgot they were going to Fridays when I typed that, lol.

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They don't need 2 days tho. Do they really have so much going on that they need to pack a huge 4 hr show? I think not.

Obvs the titles should be defended. So that's 8 matches right there. Maybe a couple grudge matches and you've got 10 matches. Do we really need more than that?
No, but they don't need that many titles either. Not every match should be a title match, and those matches should be spaced out. Ideally, WWE would be one unified roster with a select few titles and well-built matches. 8 or 9 seems perfect, but we don't live in that world.
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I would say WMXXX and WM31 were the best WMs of the modern era and each had 7/8 matches. Starting w/ WM32 Vince decided he wanted WM to feature as much of the roster as possible. On on hand, that is great for the talent because more people get a WM payday.

On the other, it can be tough for fans watching at home and even more in person. I've attended two WMs (32 & 34) and standing outside for two hours to go in and sit for seven hours of wrestling, you get kind of 'wrestled out' on and off after about the third hour.
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Why can't they just give everyone on the roster who helps scaffold their product over the course of the year a payday come WrestleMania time and not jam them onto a card for the sake of it? Performing at Mania should be special. I don't need to see Zack Ryder on eight consecutive cards in Battle Royals just because.
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Sure, but I doubt that's what they'd end up doing. It'd just become two 4-5 hour shows.
I’m sure they would.
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They don't need 2 days tho. Do they really have so much going on that they need to pack a huge 4 hr show? I think not.

Obvs the titles should be defended. So that's 8 matches right there. Maybe a couple grudge matches and you've got 10 matches. Do we really need more than that?
You forgot the Cruiserweight Championship, and by Mania the Women’s Tag Team Championship too.

Plus you need to get HHH/Taker/Cena into high profile matches, away from the belts.
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Why couldn't they just pay Vickie Guerrero and why did they have to have her come out and humiliate herself all the time?
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Currently penciled in for WrestleMania 35 (supposedly):


* HHH vs. Batista (if HHH is healed)

* AJ Styles vs. Randy Orton

* Daniel Bryan vs. HBK

* Shane McMahon vs. The Miz

* Rey Mysterio vs Nakamura OR Samoa Joe OR Almas

* The Rock to possibly headline HOF

* Brock Lesnar vs. Seth Rollins

* Becky Lynch vs. Ronda Rousey

* He doesn't mention plans for Cena, Drew, Braun - but obviously all will be a big part of WM. I heard a rumor elsewhere Cena vs LARS might happen and Braun vs Drew might happen and that Dean could be added to Seth vs Brock.
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