Latest WrestleMania 33 rumors - UPDATED in Post 817

[Emperor Smeat]

Originally Posted by hb2k See, I've always had this umming and ahhing about the impact of the streak, in that I'm not sure it ever proved to be a big deal outside of existing fans (until it ended). Mania 30 should have had a great build to Taker/Brock, but it really wasn't at all. Taker's matches with Shawn and HHH for those four years added a big match backbone, no doubt, but the only time it was put in a position to truly be the big draw on the show, 26, did the lowest Mania numbers in seven years, and that pains me to say because that build-up was fucking outstanding.

In terms of sports outlets, ESPN and others usually talked about the streak match the most whenever they'd cover Mania. This was before the WWE started to pay to get more mainstream coverage.

Ever since the WWE started doing the multi-main events for Mania, feel like that is when its possible to talk more about multiple people and matches carrying a Mania regardless of their actual quality. You still have the big major match such as Mania 29 with Cena-Rock II but also the other main event matches bringing in a big chunks of interest as well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball In terms of sports outlets, ESPN and others usually talked about the streak match the most whenever they'd cover Mania. This was before the WWE started to pay to get more mainstream coverage. Ever since the WWE started doing the multi-main events for Mania, feel like that is when its possible to talk more about multiple people and matches carrying a Mania regardless of their actual quality. You still have the big major match such as Mania 29 with Cena-Rock II but also the other main event matches bringing in a big chunks of interest as well.

So you can't attribute this to The Undertaker then? You can't with one breath say that The Undertaker has carried more WrestleMania events and then in another say that no one carries WrestleMania anymore. I mean, there is truth to the WWE trying to use the brand itself as a draw (and hence why wrestling is so cold and no one is really, truly over), but there often seems to be a double-standard when it comes to talking about The Undertaker and WrestleMania.

The Mania events he was put in the chief position to draw didn't do as well as Mania events where he wasn't the focus point. That's just the way history has played out. ESPN might have given the streak a lot of attention, but how much did that tangibly translate to? Wrestling fans that treated it like a sport went away a long time ago and never came back.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Noid So you can't attribute this to The Undertaker then? You can't with one breath say that The Undertaker has carried more WrestleMania events and then in another say that no one carries WrestleMania anymore. I mean, there is truth to the WWE trying to use the brand itself as a draw (and hence why wrestling is so cold and no one is really, truly over), but there often seems to be a double-standard when it comes to talking about The Undertaker and WrestleMania. The Mania events he was put in the chief position to draw didn't do as well as Mania events where he wasn't the focus point. That's just the way history has played out. ESPN might have given the streak a lot of attention, but how much did that tangibly translate to? Wrestling fans that treated it like a sport went away a long time ago and never came back.

Taker has been a key focal point in basically every Mania since 24. John has always been the top guys, but he's also been in a lot of throwaway matches. Rusev, Wyatt, some triple threats. Like I said, the only matches where Cena truly was the focal point of the show was with Rocky and maybe one with HHH. Whereas Takers steak was something that was a huge part of every Mania essentially from 24 on.