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Old 06-02-2012, 01:15 AM   #41
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:03 AM   #42
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gonna be honest with you guys, I fucking hate Darren Young and Titus O'Neill
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:11 AM   #43
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I'm not too high on Young & O'Neil myself. They just don't work as well as other teams. I feel that they should still be in developmental working on a tag team gimmick.

Also, I'm still of the opinion that Damien Sandow can wrestle jobbers for literally two years and become one of the most awesome heels on the active roster. People will pay good money to see him get his ass kicked. It should be him that goes on to break Goldberg's streak; not Ryback.

Oh, and Dolph Ziggler would be a tremendous babyface. I can seriously see the dude making the WWE a lot of money.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:37 AM   #44
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I'm not too high on Young & O'Neil myself. They just don't work as well as other teams.
... What other teams?

I just love the fact that they're a legit tag team in every way. And the "Millions of dollars" thing is awesome in it's obnoxiousness.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:43 AM   #45
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That's why I'm torn with Ziggler turning face. I don't like the idea because he can be that long-term non-big man main event heel WWE has been lacking for a while. He's the one guy that the internet wants pushed to the main event way too soon (Cody, Barrett, etc.) that I actually agree with. The company is more in need of "that guy" in the heel department than they are in the face department. And he fits that DiBiase/Hennig-esque mold to a T.

The thing that makes me torn is that I remember how amazing Hennig (yes, I'm making that comparison, but it's fitting) was as a heel and then how much more amazing it made him as a face.

I think he just needs to be established for a while as a main event heel before he makes the turn. There's way too much more left there for him and it could potentially lead to a huge, memorable face turn.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:02 AM   #46
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:18 AM   #47
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I don't really know why really, I think that finisher where they did the flying hairpull might have ruined it for me. And they seem a little awkward in the ring.
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That's why I'm torn with Ziggler turning face. I don't like the idea because he can be that long-term non-big man main event heel WWE has been lacking for a while. He's the one guy that the internet wants pushed to the main event way too soon (Cody, Barrett, etc.) that I actually agree with. The company is more in need of "that guy" in the heel department than they are in the face department. And he fits that DiBiase/Hennig-esque mold to a T.

The thing that makes me torn is that I remember how amazing Hennig (yes, I'm making that comparison, but it's fitting) was as a heel and then how much more amazing it made him as a face.

I think he just needs to be established for a while as a main event heel before he makes the turn. There's way too much more left there for him and it could potentially lead to a huge, memorable face turn.
The thing about Ziggler as a babyface is that he's got the look that both males and females could get behind, he's smaller in stature and bumps like a machine -- thus leading to easy sympathy against bigger opponents. Plus, his character is an interesting one, because although he takes such pride in being a dick, that's essentially the extent of his character. If he turned face, it's not like he will need to shed aspects of it, because it's not strong enough to really get watered down any more than it is now.

Ziggles will probably play a more determined and focused role in proving himself; but he probably needs to do that as a heel, anyway. Therefore, I think he's one guy that would actually benefit from turning face, as opposed to staying a heel and exclusively being made to bump for the good guys they want to get over. They've got Heath Slater for that.

If Ziggler dumped Vickie Guerrero, then he would instantly be over. Ziggler could come out and declare himself single to all the ladies in the WWE Universe, and could really get himself over as an "out-there ladies man," perhaps channelling aspects of Shawn Michaels' heel character, whilst applying Shawn Michaels' babyface storytelling in the ring.

As a heel, down the track, we can revisit Ziggler's potential, but right now I feel that the well is a bit dry. We're so used to seeing him as a heel because he's played one his entire WWE career, but how can you push him as a bad guy? You can have him gather hard-earned victories trying to prove himself against guys like Sheamus and CM Punk, but isn't that a face thing to do?

I don't know if the guy can be the next Stone Cold Steve Austin or anything, but he's got all the tools to be a major babyface player. He might be a little awkward in the role at first, since he's never really played a face character before, but that's always going to be the case whenever they turn him.
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:15 AM   #49
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is this Ryback meme done yet?
Memes have a lifespan that is entirely too long these days.

Look at ROH still plodding along. Plodding like a lot of their more recent fans, the longer term fans being in mobility scooters.
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The meme of Ryback being awesome? I assume it will last as long as he continues being awesome...
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If ROH wants to keep building momentum, then they need to sign some guys with some fucking personality. Yes, they have a particular in-ring style that they are trying to keep in-line with, but they can still sign guys that can talk or at least have style outside of the ring.

ROH should be begging Todd Sinclair to lend them enough money to sign Alex Shelley, Homicide and Low Ki. Also, Jay Lethal needs to be pushed by them yesterday.
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I thought Low Ki had personality on NXT. Then I saw him cut an abysmal promo in TNA where he seemed like he was about to fall asleep. I chalked it up to him having to be at a TNA event... but I don't know.
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When he was in the WWE, Kaval showed so much charisma. It's a shame that the dude didn't want to stick around for the period where the WWE jobbed him out for shits and giggles. He would have come out of it and been given some decent opportunities by now, I reckon.

Anyway, either TNA or ROH should really be trying to tie this guy down. He'd be perfect for the X-Division or for the ROH World Title picture.
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Oh, and John Laurinaitis fucking sucked at talking tonight. I don't really watch RAW too much anymore, but does he always suck so badly?
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If ROH wants to keep building momentum, then they need to sign some guys with some fucking personality. Yes, they have a particular in-ring style that they are trying to keep in-line with, but they can still sign guys that can talk or at least have style outside of the ring.

ROH should be begging Todd Sinclair to lend them enough money to sign Alex Shelley, Homicide and Low Ki. Also, Jay Lethal needs to be pushed by them yesterday.
I think they need to just hire some acting coaches. Most wrestlers know that they need to have some kind of public speaking role when they enter the game. Hiring on a guy or two full time (especially in New York) wouldn't be too far of a stretch for a company that has a national TV deal already.

Keep the promos to a minimum, make them count, and let the talent do their thing in the squared circle.
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Like, Michael Cole and even Vickie Guerrero can speak. Vickie may not be the queen of the promo or anything, but she delivers all the points she needs to. Johnny Ace was like "The No Way Out WWE Championship will be...Triple Threat." That doesn't even make any fucking sense.

The WWE should have someone who can fucking talk as the General Manager of the shows.
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Oh, and John Laurinaitis fucking sucked at talking tonight. I don't really watch RAW too much anymore, but does he always suck so badly?
He does.

I like it in an ironic sense, but I can see how the casual fan would get pissed off by his lack of presence.
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Like, Michael Cole and even Vickie Guerrero can speak. Vickie may not be the queen of the promo or anything, but she delivers all the points she needs to. Johnny Ace was like "The No Way Out WWE Championship will be...Triple Threat." That doesn't even make any fucking sense.

The WWE should have someone who can fucking talk as the General Manager of the shows.
I dig the motorized cart and the cheesy theme music. It makes him seem like he just walked into the job and doesnt deserve it.

Kind of what CM Punk alluded to in his original "pipe-bomb" speech about Johnny being a douche bag yes man.
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I was actually going to use the phrase "he's not even ironically bad." He's just bad. Fair enough that you enjoy it, and I kind of get that John Laurinaitis' character is that he's a corporate paper-pusher that's always texting someone sucking up (and I don't think the point was to ever have who as a big issue), and I think that works fine for a heel GM -- especially if they have muscle to back them up and act like they're untouchable and find a way to ensure that they are.

The thing is, it's not even purposefully bad. You can play a corporate suck-up and still hit home runs with your promos. What was wrong with Laurinaitis being wheeled out and saying "Gentlemen, since this WWE Championship match did not reach a proper conclusion, and because Mr. Bryan also holds a victory over you, Mr. Punk, I have decided that the WWE Championship will be defended at the upcoming No Way Out PPV in a Triple Threat Match. It will be Mr. Punk versus Mr. Bryan versus Mr. Kane. Enjoy the rest of your evening."

Typing that I was trying to find ways to make John Laurinaitis annoying as a character without him sucking completely on the mic, and I have come to the conclusion that Laurinaitis should call everyone "Mr." or "Miss."
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The meme of Ryback being awesome? I assume it will last as long as he continues being awesome...
Give Ryback, Sandow, and Sin Cara actual feuds.

I'm sick of guys like this who have absolutely nothing to do. All three can bring a lot to the table, especially in the absence of Randy and Y2J.

I would like to see a Jericho v Sin Cara match IMO. I would also love to see a Ryback v Daniel Bryan match.

Sandow has such an over the top gimmick that actually works in the WWE these days (see Lord Tensai as a complete failure). I wouldn't mind him feuding with anyone.
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JBL would be doing this John Laurinaitis character that John Laurinaitis is currently doing so much better than John Laurinaitis is doing it. Try to follow my sentence, despite it being a John Laurinaitis sentence.
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I was actually going to use the phrase "he's not even ironically bad." He's just bad. Fair enough that you enjoy it, and I kind of get that John Laurinaitis' character is that he's a corporate paper-pusher that's always texting someone sucking up (and I don't think the point was to ever have who as a big issue), and I think that works fine for a heel GM -- especially if they have muscle to back them up and act like they're untouchable and find a way to ensure that they are.

The thing is, it's not even purposefully bad. You can play a corporate suck-up and still hit home runs with your promos. What was wrong with Laurinaitis being wheeled out and saying "Gentlemen, since this WWE Championship match did not reach a proper conclusion, and because Mr. Bryan also holds a victory over you, Mr. Punk, I have decided that the WWE Championship will be defended at the upcoming No Way Out PPV in a Triple Threat Match. It will be Mr. Punk versus Mr. Bryan versus Mr. Kane. Enjoy the rest of your evening."

Typing that I was trying to find ways to make John Laurinaitis annoying as a character without him sucking completely on the mic, and I have come to the conclusion that Laurinaitis should call everyone "Mr." or "Miss."
I think the main thing missing from Johnny Ace is that he has no credible heels to back him up. They tried to make Tensai his "ace" in the hole, but the fans just wouldn't have it. Now they are pushing Big Show down our throats and the ratings fucking tank. They are even relegating MIZ, who was at one point THE HEEL, to a jobber status.

I see this as a good time for WWE to establish a new paradigm in their good guy/ bad guy structure. If they want to go through a ratings lull, why not shake things up instead of giving us crap?
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The accent and the cowboy hat alone would make him such a more effective villain.
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Give Ryback, Sandow, and Sin Cara actual feuds.

I'm sick of guys like this who have absolutely nothing to do. All three can bring a lot to the table, especially in the absence of Randy and Y2J.

I would like to see a Jericho v Sin Cara match IMO. I would also love to see a Ryback v Daniel Bryan match.

Sandow has such an over the top gimmick that actually works in the WWE these days (see Lord Tensai as a complete failure). I wouldn't mind him feuding with anyone.
Sin Cara should resume his feud with long-term rival, Hunico. Now that Hunico is free to talk, he should do a sit-down interview where he describes how Sin Cara and Mexican promoters took the identity he created and literally made millions of dollars off it while Hunico struggled to find an identity. Bitterness and jealousy would dominate the Hunico character. Sin Cara wins one week, and then the second week they have another match; Camacho attacks Sin Cara as it looks like he's about to win again, causing the DQ. Tyson Kidd then runs out for the save, because Kidd is a good guy who respects where Sin Cara comes from and what he does.

Hunico calls bullshit on Kidd respecting Sin Cara, and he claims that Kidd just wants to get everyone to like him and ride Sin Cara's success. Hunico calls the WWE Universe stupid for believing that Kidd respects anyone but himself. The two sides then face off in a tag team match with Kidd & Sin Cara winning. They embrace in the ring and then the next week Kidd says that he does respect Sin Cara, but he does want to face him to see how good he is. The two have a face vs. face match which ends when the bitter losers, Hunico & Camacho attack Kidd & Sin Cara, leading to another match between the teams.

That would take you through more than a month of booking, and it not only benefits Sin Cara, but Tyson Kidd, Hunico and Camacho, as well. At the end of it, Sin Cara & Tyson Kidd could get a shot at the WWE Tag Team Championship, which would be pretty cool for them. If they're super-over as a team, you could even put the titles on them for a little while.

As for Damien Sandow -- the money feud for him is with Zack Ryder, I think. Put it on RAW, since Ryder is over enough to warrant a spot on that show. By beating Ryder, Sandow would get very over as a heel, I think. The feud would be easy enough to set-up. Sandow would just come out while Ryder is getting the crowd pumped up while filming them, and criticise Ryder and the audience for how they choose to enlighten themselves. Ryder says that Sandow is going to be featured on his show, and points the camera at him, and Sandow would hilariously freak-out at being featured on Z! True Long Island Story, and claim that if Ryder uses the footage he would sue him. He tells Ryder to delete the footage immediately. Sandow then attacks Ryder and destroys his phone. "You're welcome."

Sandow is squashing someone on SmackDown! that week, and then films Sandow on his new phone (product placement). On RAW, Sandow talks about how embarrassed he was to be featured on YouTube, with a related video being some drunken people from (local town) filming a cat stuck on a high shelf. Sandow says we should all be disgusted with ourselves, and that he will take it out on Zack Ryder's good friend, Santino Marella, tonight. Sandow then squashes Marella, and makes him submit to the Crossface Chickenwing. Ryder then again attacks Sandow, and gets the upper-hand leading into a PPV match between the two, which Sandow wins with the Crossface Chickenwing (which I think should be his permanent submission finisher).
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The accent and the cowboy hat alone would make him such a more effective villain.
Plus, JBL vs. CM Punk would actually be a pay-off I would not mind seeing. So much more would go into it -- from their time on the active roster together; to JBL's love of beer and cigars; to Punk being a "vanilla midget" in Bradshaw's eyes; to JBL's long climb to the top versus Punk's relatively short one; and Punk potentially exceeding the time JBL spent as WWE Champion.

Fuck, I'm actually annoyed that JBL is not the RAW GM right now, actually.
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I think the main thing missing from Johnny Ace is that he has no credible heels to back him up. They tried to make Tensai his "ace" in the hole, but the fans just wouldn't have it. Now they are pushing Big Show down our throats and the ratings fucking tank. They are even relegating MIZ, who was at one point THE HEEL, to a jobber status.

I see this as a good time for WWE to establish a new paradigm in their good guy/ bad guy structure. If they want to go through a ratings lull, why not shake things up instead of giving us crap?
That was a big problem I foresaw when it came to the Team Johnny vs. Team Teddy match at WrestleMania, which I don't think should have been for control for the shows -- but merely bragging rights. You had too many guys that attached their hat to Team Johnny and Team Teddy respectively, in my opinion, and then no real consequences for it. In fact, Kofi & R-Truth got a Tag Team Title shot. Also, The Miz and Drew McIntyre never really got rewarded for their work, whereas Mark Henry, and to extents, Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger did.

But then you had Laurinaitis tie himself to Tensai and now Big Show (which makes no sense), and you basically have all the heels pro Johnny, and yet none of them are really that credible yet.

It would have been far more effective to have one heel been a representative of John Laurinaitis -- or "The Ace in the Hole," as you alluded to. Instead, it's everyone and no one at the same time, if you catch my drift?
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That was a big problem I foresaw when it came to the Team Johnny vs. Team Teddy match at WrestleMania, which I don't think should have been for control for the shows -- but merely bragging rights. You had too many guys that attached their hat to Team Johnny and Team Teddy respectively, in my opinion, and then no real consequences for it. In fact, Kofi & R-Truth got a Tag Team Title shot. Also, The Miz and Drew McIntyre never really got rewarded for their work, whereas Mark Henry, and to extents, Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger did.

But then you had Laurinaitis tie himself to Tensai and now Big Show (which makes no sense), and you basically have all the heels pro Johnny, and yet none of them are really that credible yet.

It would have been far more effective to have one heel been a representative of John Laurinaitis -- or "The Ace in the Hole," as you alluded to. Instead, it's everyone and no one at the same time, if you catch my drift?
I'm chalking Tensai up to very very poor booking. The guy could have gotten over if they acknowledged his WWE past and ran with it instead of concealing it behind a completely shitte gimmick. Big Show is just an emergency filler who doesnt work because we have seen him v CEna 1245324 times.

Can you see Dolph Ziggler breaking off from Vickie, going on his own for a couple of weeks, then joining Team Johnny in an attempt to get the WWE title or feud with Cena? Can they turn Ziggler into a megastar (face or heel) like Punk, Cena, or Orton?

As a fan of the product (in up times and down times) I see Ziggler as a huge fucking star and no one on the roster (sans Cody and the renewed interest in the IC title) deserves a push more than he does.
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Plus, JBL vs. CM Punk would actually be a pay-off I would not mind seeing. So much more would go into it -- from their time on the active roster together; to JBL's love of beer and cigars; to Punk being a "vanilla midget" in Bradshaw's eyes; to JBL's long climb to the top versus Punk's relatively short one; and Punk potentially exceeding the time JBL spent as WWE Champion.

Fuck, I'm actually annoyed that JBL is not the RAW GM right now, actually.
If they did this shit with a babyface CM Punk and had Stone Cold ref the payoff match, we might get to see a Beer/Pepsi toast.
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That's exactly it -- by drawing into their different lifestyle choices for a clearly heel vs. face feud between JBL and Punk, you can lay down the groundwork for a future Punk/Austin confrontation.
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My thoughts on Tensai are that he is a perfectly good talent, but there were just miscalculations in how to present him. His finishing move to his entrance, to the one-dimensional presentation of his character -- Tensai was just one big ball of miscalculations. The WWE seems to be scaling back some of the more cartoony aspects of why he failed, and they seem to be getting him right on Superstars before they push him to the moon again.

I personally feel that the WWE should have given Ziggler a pin over Cena in that Handicap Match a few weeks back where he actually teamed with Tensai and Swagger against Cena and Sheamus. It'd give Ziggler something to brag about and something to go forward with. As it stands right now, I see him breaking up with Vickie and going solo. I think a face turn could work surprisingly well for Ziggler.
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is this Ryback meme done yet?
Can you see your feet yet?

Ryback is fucking amazing!!!!!!
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Everyone who complains about Ryback needs to stop. Big deal he doesn't have a feud. He's beating 2 jobbers at once. What the need to do now is have him fight 3 jobbers at once. Eventually this will lead up to a Ryback battle royal with Ryback vs 19 jobbers and he will suplex all of them at same time and will become intergalactic champion of the universe.
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He should go to ROH and kill all the vanilla midgets with one clothesline.
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What would you give Ryback on a scale of 6 to 43.8 for his workrate? I would say he's at least a 41.3826462817
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I'd give it a 98.374287818

He's so good he could even carry Daniel Bryan to a good match.
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I think Daniel Bryan is ok. Just wait until he gets his growth spurt then he'll really be good.
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I'm not too high on Young & O'Neil myself. They just don't work as well as other teams. I feel that they should still be in developmental working on a tag team gimmick.

Also, I'm still of the opinion that Damien Sandow can wrestle jobbers for literally two years and become one of the most awesome heels on the active roster. People will pay good money to see him get his ass kicked. It should be him that goes on to break Goldberg's streak; not Ryback.

Oh, and Dolph Ziggler would be a tremendous babyface. I can seriously see the dude making the WWE a lot of money.
I actually think O'Neill and Young could get over huge if they turned face.
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I do think that Darren Young should be a face. It's hard to find a good babyface, and yet Young has done a pretty decent job of it in the past. Titus O'Neil? Honestly -- while he seems like a cool guy -- I'm just not a fan of his in-ring performances. Turning heel sort of made him slightly more interesting, but just not enough to really care.

I'd be far more interested in seeing D-Young and Percy Watson as The South Beach Boys in the WWE, to be honest. As a babyface team, they could have a fair bit of energy.
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The only reason I can see Young as a face is because of the black Cena factor.

They're fine as a heel team. Like I said, that obnoxious "Millions of dollars" catchphrase they sing is golden. It instantly gives them a team personality. They're great.
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