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Old 05-05-2022, 08:22 AM   #3881
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Old 05-05-2022, 08:24 AM   #3882
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Didnt just post block me but bumped me to the next page. What an asshole. How dare you? How absolutely dare you? Outrageous.
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Old 05-05-2022, 08:26 AM   #3883
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Old 05-05-2022, 08:26 AM   #3884
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Old 05-05-2022, 08:33 AM   #3885
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More like Game of Bones


or GOT - Great ole Titties


that's why it was so popular.
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Old 05-05-2022, 04:18 PM   #3886
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The last week has been rough in tv ratings:

SD - 1.95 million
RAW - 1.58 million
Dynamite - 833k
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833k for Dynamite. Ouch.
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Old 05-05-2022, 05:03 PM   #3888
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Old 05-05-2022, 05:41 PM   #3889
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Old 05-05-2022, 06:21 PM   #3890
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Wow, RAW doing 30.5 times the rating Dynamite does
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Old 05-05-2022, 06:24 PM   #3891
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Raw and Smackdown combined doing 90x what Dynamite and Rampage are. Rip.
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Old 05-05-2022, 06:25 PM   #3892
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AEW winning in the easily amused demographic though!
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Old 05-05-2022, 09:36 PM   #3893
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Nobody tell Fan they were down 23% year over year, cause it only matters on weeks they didn't shit the bed

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Old 05-05-2022, 10:06 PM   #3894
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Nah. YoY is you and Noid’s thing. Haven’t seen it mentioned here outside of making fun of you for it. You seem to be confused by the written word. Wanna talk about it?
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its really not. the entire nature of celebrity has completely changed, especially for modern youths. in times past the celebrities were culturally constant. brad pitt was a celebrity. period. doesnt matter if youre 8 or 80 youre at the very least aware of who the guy is.


now, through various apps and the nature of phones in general (pocket universes private to the individual,) you have personalised celebrity. a kid sees kit boga on the street and loses his mind but absolutely no one but that 1 person has ever been exposed to the content even in the smallest way.


and we arent inundated with marketing that cross pollinates these mini celebrities either. the twitch, YouTube and tick tok star doesnt advertise after all and to bring this convo back home wrestling doesnt buy ad time all that often either. personally i pay to skip ads on every device that offers the service.


so we're insulated in our niche fandoms from other niche fandoms. each man carrying along according to his tastes oblivious to any "celebrities" outside of their own purview and this is a pretty fresh reality. its not been this way since the advent of technology that allowed natational marketing. and even then celebrity status was atleast regional. now its almost designer celebrity.
This is one of the most insightful posts in a long time. You know you can just post memes that you find on other platforms, right?
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It’s a good post, but I don’t think it’s 100% true. Certain things do have crossover appeal. If you play trivia, some things are considered general knowledge enough that the onus is kind of on you to know them. But yes, the evolution of media has definitely crafted a “designer celebrity.” That’s a great term for it.
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its not absolute, not yet any way. but >40 general celebrity is skewing in this "dsigner celebrity" trend and hard. right now we have the marvel films as a cultural water cooler but that has a shelf life, theaters in general have one in my opinion but thats a seperate conversation altogether, we are heading in a more and ever more niche trajectory with no signs of turning back.
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A recent episode of the Strictly Business with Eric Bischoff podcast had NBC Universal Studios Group Business Affairs Manager Mik Pandit as the guest. One of the topics discussed included Pandit’s thoughts on AEW’s television ratings on TNT and TBS.

“I think that is a huge advantage for them. This is not revealing anything internal but NBCU Executives have been very clear with how pleased they are with the WWE’s drive of subscribers to the Peacock platform. Part of the advantage for WWE is there are new events each month, yes but then two, arguably three or four times a year, they have these big events. Your WrestleManias, the upcoming supershow in the UK, Saudi events that drive consumers who might not have been subscribed to say I have to watch this.

They’re loyal, they want to see new content. Is a baseline of a million viewers something Tony can sell as an advantage for him? Yes, the question is what is the price he’s going to get for that? Now as we see more consolidation in the industry and their partnership primarily with WarnerMedia that’s being run by Discovery Executives, not Warner Executives, from all intensive purposes from what we have seen and I don’t know anyone in that organization, but they’re going to run a much leaner and meaner business than Warner had planned on running. Now does that mean AEW is going to get the kind of live rights media fees that they would’ve gotten a couple of years ago? I don’t know the answer to that but I think the advantage for AEW is that even at an increase to what they’re currently getting paid which is around 40-45 million a year, it’s still probably cheaper than scripted programming.”

Pandit also gave his thoughts about the potential of AEW signing a streaming deal with HBO Max in the future.

“I don’t know Nick Khan but he was making this point repeatedly. That we were seeing what they call peak subscription or subscription fatigue when it comes to streaming service. Five years ago when there was Netflix and the WWE Network, it was great, you pay $10 and you get all the wrestling in the world. Now HBO Max is $15 a month, Disney Plus is $10 a month, Netflix is probably $17 a month, and Paramount is $10, there are many other products even outside of entertainment consumption that are subscription-based.

You’re getting to a point to where justifying paying $10 a month just for wrestling content is going to be very difficult for all but the most hardcore of consumers. Somebody who probably watches wrestling one out of every three pay-per-views probably wouldn’t. AEWs advantage is they have on average 1 million linear cable viewers week to week. Most of those people probably have access to an HBO Max so I would imagine it’s more valuable for HBO Max to have that content on HBO Max so they can grow their subscription base and retain it. Of those 1 million AEW fans, if let’s say half of them subscribe to HBO Max, that’s a solid 400,000 fans and subscribers who are going to drop off at a lower rate than your average subscriber.”
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A deal with some sort of sporting/live event streaming service with Warner would be optimal for them. I cannot see the HBO Max deal making that much sense for either side, outside of maybe one or two specials a year.

AEW gets 900k viewers with a cable base of 90 million people. A streaming service that has 75 million or whatever is probably going to get considerably less. You could argue that people more actively engage with OTT services these days, but it’s reasonable to expect a couple of hundred thousand people to tune in. Is this going to drive up subscription numbers notably? Is it worth forking out tens of millions of dollars for?

The TNT specials that have been thrown away on Battle of the Belts would have been good auditions for this sort of programming. If they could have gotten spikes notably higher than Dynamite, it may have been something to take into negotiations with Warner about. They could have done Winter is Coming, Fight for the Fallen and maybe another show on HBO Max every year.
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AEW is falling victim to diversity moves. Putting on women and talents that check certain boxes into main events just because it's time. Well for me I can't remember seeing Deana Purazzo before in my life and couldn't give a shit about a main event involving her if I had to.

Sammy Guevera is not a main event guy, yet he's closed more Dynamite's than anyone except maybe Darby, who also is not a great main eventer but continually closes Dynamite.

Scorpio Sky is not a main event talent and yet continually gets put to close Dynamite.

AEW's ratings are stalled because they keep forcing main events down our throat that taste like midcard. Tony so badly wants to be fair that it's stalling them out from progress.
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Remember when AEW's entire business model was "don't worry, our next TV deals will be for $200 million a year, so LFG!!!!!!!!!!".

Now they are all "hey Warner Discovery loves us, they will surely keep us on for only $45 million a year, its such a good deal, so LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".
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AEW is falling victim to diversity moves. Putting on women and talents that check certain boxes into main events just because it's time. Well for me I can't remember seeing Deana Purazzo before in my life and couldn't give a shit about a main event involving her if I had to.

Sammy Guevera is not a main event guy, yet he's closed more Dynamite's than anyone except maybe Darby, who also is not a great main eventer but continually closes Dynamite.

Scorpio Sky is not a main event talent and yet continually gets put to close Dynamite.

AEW's ratings are stalled because they keep forcing main events down our throat that taste like midcard. Tony so badly wants to be fair that it's stalling them out from progress.
Pretty sure during good TNT title run Darby pulled out a few 1 million viewers when her main evented.

But I agree with what you’re saying in general. The main event should be for the top top guys. Punk, Hangman, Jericho, MJF and Wardlow have the biggest angles running. Those are the guys who should be closing out Dynamite.
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AEW is falling victim to diversity moves. Putting on women and talents that check certain boxes into main events just because it's time. Well for me I can't remember seeing Deana Purazzo before in my life and couldn't give a shit about a main event involving her if I had to.

Sammy Guevera is not a main event guy, yet he's closed more Dynamite's than anyone except maybe Darby, who also is not a great main eventer but continually closes Dynamite.

Scorpio Sky is not a main event talent and yet continually gets put to close Dynamite.

AEW's ratings are stalled because they keep forcing main events down our throat that taste like midcard. Tony so badly wants to be fair that it's stalling them out from progress.
Diversity isn’t a bad thing. But you can have talented and established talent take those spots. No one really complaints about Bianca Belair or Bobby Lashley being in their spots because they aren’t token spots. WWE has actually done a lot of good work in normalizing women and men from diverse ethnic backgrounds into pretty meaningful roles within the company.

Some of the women in AEW might be talented, but Mercedes Martinez and Deanna Purrazzo have not “earned” that spot yet. Hell, ROH hasn’t earned that spot within the company yet. Why is another promotion’s belt being defended in the main event of Dynamite? Some people just want to watch what they nominated to watch.
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AEW botching getting Danielson is so similar to WCW getting Bret Hart and not knowing what to do with him. In my opinion.
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The overnight number for Rampage, which will probably increase, is 319k. Compare that to the third hour of Raw. Fucking yikes.

If Kathleen Finch is looking for reasons to get wrestling off TNT and TBS, Rampage failing is a good way to make it “their fault.” That and some of their content for morality purposes. But I remember the $45 million deal AEW signed being for Dynamite and what would become Rampage. If Rampage underperforms and AEW isn’t living up to their end of the bargain in generating viewers—WBD probably has a very clear path to cancelling their asses.

Rampage getting that death slot may have always been a planned out for Warner if the time ever came for it.
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The overnight number for Rampage, which will probably increase, is 319k. Compare that to the third hour of Raw. Fucking yikes.

If Kathleen Finch is looking for reasons to get wrestling off TNT and TBS, Rampage failing is a good way to make it “their fault.” That and some of their content for morality purposes. But I remember the $45 million deal AEW signed being for Dynamite and what would become Rampage. If Rampage underperforms and AEW isn’t living up to their end of the bargain in generating viewers—WBD probably has a very clear path to cancelling their asses.

Rampage getting that death slot may have always been a planned out for Warner if the time ever came for it.
Why doesn't Tony just tell Warner when he wants his shows to air? That is how it works right? AEW has been telling us for years WWE only kept airing show on Wednesdays because Vince told USA Network he wanted to hurt poor widdle ole AEW, right?
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