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Old 03-22-2022, 09:12 PM   #8481
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I personally appreciate the copious amount of male nudity DDT encourages during comedy matches.
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:25 PM   #8482
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There is evidence that points to the contrary on that “we want to have discussions in good faith” point.
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:27 PM   #8483
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Little late...but this whole thing with DDT wrestling is weird af to me. The network doesn't want them to sign The Briscoes....but is ok with them working with a company that had a title called GAY World Anal Championship (They unified it with their Extreme title eventually)? Dunno... I don't think a working relationship with DDT is a good look imo.
It’s not. Briscoes were probably sabotaged. But networks don’t neeed to be consistent.
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:37 PM   #8484
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:38 PM   #8485
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Hope they bring the GAY World Anal Championship to AEW...
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Old 03-22-2022, 10:56 PM   #8486
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I'm all over here just wishing GLOW woulda got another season on the 'Flix...
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Old 03-22-2022, 10:57 PM   #8487
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Old 03-22-2022, 11:28 PM   #8488
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AEW does GAY World Anal Open on Dynamite?
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Old 03-22-2022, 11:40 PM   #8489
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I'm not sure why xrod lets himself be noid's minion. why isn't it the other way around?
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Old 03-22-2022, 11:43 PM   #8490
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xrod watches the product, at least. Noid faps to an upcoming Briscoe vs FTR match that technically isn't AEW.
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Old 03-23-2022, 01:07 AM   #8491
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I'm not sure why xrod lets himself be noid's minion. why isn't it the other way around?
I don't know how many times that has been implied in this thread. I guess it is just easier to lump people together. Start from the beginning of this thread, it is all here.
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Old 03-23-2022, 03:07 AM   #8492
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I don't know how many times that has been implied in this thread. I guess it is just easier to lump people together. Start from the beginning of this thread, it is all here.
Lol, do people really consider you my minion? I think you do damn well on your own. Easier to lump people together than accept that it’s possible not everybody falls into line thinking the same crap.
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Old 03-23-2022, 03:12 AM   #8493
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Don’t worry. Kurt Angle can’t even have a 5 star match in the WWE. Cody is suddenly going to become awful in Meltzer’s eyes.
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Old 03-23-2022, 11:22 AM   #8494
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Apparently Taz had a bit of a “meltdown” over the KO dressed up as Austin/fake out thing on Raw…
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Old 03-23-2022, 11:49 AM   #8495
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Cite one. Anyone not worth talking to I block.
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Only he’s not a star according to the definition you gave; talent that people tune in to see.

He might be being groomed for Main Events, and for my money he’s a good horse to back, but people are not tuning in to see him. Does he “spike a rating”? He might, I don’t know, the numbers are not the be-all and end-all to me in the same way they are for some. He’s a good talent, a great prospect, he may even be better right now than AEW’s very best, but he’s not pulling the “1.8”m people in. AEW have positioned Page as their champion. He’s not pulling in “1.8”m, but it’s reasonable to assume that a higher proportion of AEW’s audience of “900”k are tuning in to see Page.

I’ll remind you that you made the comparison between Page and Theory, before then pivoting to compare guys in the same position.

As things stand I’d personally much rather say there are barely any/almost no stars in wrestling today.
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That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that if you are anyone of any remark in WWE, mathematically you are going to be more “famous” than anyone in AEW. I see what you are interpreting, but it’s not the same thing. More people do tune in to see Theory. They tune into Raw. And they see Theory.

Theory is a bigger star than Adam Page. I’m not pivoting on anything. AEW doesn’t have the reach.
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We started the conversation about WWE and AEW’s ability to create “stars”. You defined “star” as someone that people tune in to see. Seeing someone because you tuned in is not the same thing - otherwise Kevin Patrick (that’s the Irish backstage interviewer btw) is also a “star” by your working.

Now you’ve introduced the notion of “fame” to the conversation. I’m not going to argue your “mathematics” because that would be stupid, I’d just be cautious of extrapolating too much from the numbers. You’ve also changed the benchmark of what we were originally discussing. Or at least what I thought we were discussing given the actual words you used.
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Old 03-23-2022, 12:02 PM   #8496
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(Also, MJF and Cody had a long feud after MJF turned on Cody. Shitting on AEW’s storytelling because “they never touched again” after MJF’s turn is demonstrably wrong. But… “good faith”)
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Old 03-23-2022, 12:11 PM   #8497
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And I’m pretty sure even xrod has quietly conceded that the whole narrative of “He’s trying to say they’re better than WWE with this tweet!” was ridiculous but…

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Old 03-23-2022, 05:18 PM   #8498
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How is any of that not a good faith discussion? I genuinely don’t think what you thought we were discussing is what I was trying to discuss and agreed with that.

Austin Theory is a bigger star than just about anyone in AEW right now. Both in terms of how well known he is (due to WWE’s audience) and how featured he is on his programming (“Moose stars in Impact Wrestling”). I’d argue more people are tuning in to see what happens next with Austin Theory than are paying vivid attention to AEW.

Being featured in the more popular show is going to be more culturally relevant than the entire universe of a tiny one revolving around you (like it does anyone down there anyway). I didn’t pivot from anything. I said it then and I’ll say it now: Austin Theory is a bigger star in wrestling than Adam Page.
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You guys just ever going to agree to disagree? It’s been like 2 years.
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This was way more recently than that. I think it was like January or something, lol. But yeah, that’s what I was trying to do when I said I believe we were interested in talking about different things or whatever. I’ve got no problem with XL at all. He just pokes me on purpose sometimes, lol.
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Apparently Taz had a bit of a “meltdown” over the KO dressed up as Austin/fake out thing on Raw…
Interesting. I haven’t seen the segment and I’m not too familiar with Taz’s views on wrestling (isn’t he a bit of a conspiracy theorist), so I’m trying to imagine it and just can’t.

Thunder Rosa was either asked about or brought up the Brock Lesnar dancing to a mariachi band segment on SmackDown and said it “mocked her culture” or something. I don’t know her tone on it, but basically she got a ton of responses basically making fun of her because that was kinda the point of Brock being a dick to Eddie Guerrero.

Doesn’t really count as a “meltdown” maybe, but just a wrestler saying stupid things.
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And I’m pretty sure even xrod has quietly conceded that the whole narrative of “He’s trying to say they’re better than WWE with this tweet!” was ridiculous but…



Gotta stick by your guy. Logic be damned.
No, you missed the point entirely. They celebrate everything LIKE they are beating WWE. How does doing better than any other wrestling company NOT WWE matter at all? They could have just said they had their best gate, but is just being successful not fun enough? There has not BEEN a big league wrestling company other than WWE in 20 years, so of course they are the most success non WWE promotion. It means nothing.
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Interesting. I haven’t seen the segment and I’m not too familiar with Taz’s views on wrestling (isn’t he a bit of a conspiracy theorist), so I’m trying to imagine it and just can’t.

Thunder Rosa was either asked about or brought up the Brock Lesnar dancing to a mariachi band segment on SmackDown and said it “mocked her culture” or something. I don’t know her tone on it, but basically she got a ton of responses basically making fun of her because that was kinda the point of Brock being a dick to Eddie Guerrero.

Doesn’t really count as a “meltdown” maybe, but just a wrestler saying stupid things.
They dont understand wrestling lol.

K.O. got heat, Austin will get it all back.

Brock got the heat, Eddie ended up winning the world title.
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Do you get angry at every product that claims to be the best at what it does?


Who's side are you on when it comes to Colgate vs Crest? They both say they are the best at fighting cavities, and 4 out of 5 dentists agree.


I cannot imagine the unbridled rage you must experience daily, at all the different competitors, claiming to be the best.


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Old 03-24-2022, 09:36 AM   #8510
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How is any of that not a good faith discussion? I genuinely don’t think what you thought we were discussing is what I was trying to discuss and agreed with that.

Austin Theory is a bigger star than just about anyone in AEW right now. Both in terms of how well known he is (due to WWE’s audience) and how featured he is on his programming (“Moose stars in Impact Wrestling”). I’d argue more people are tuning in to see what happens next with Austin Theory than are paying vivid attention to AEW.

Being featured in the more popular show is going to be more culturally relevant than the entire universe of a tiny one revolving around you (like it does anyone down there anyway). I didn’t pivot from anything. I said it then and I’ll say it now: Austin Theory is a bigger star in wrestling than Adam Page.
Dude, I allowed you to define the terms we were discussing, had the discussion based on those terms, then when I pointed out how the example you gave didn’t meet the definition you gave you turned around and said that you’d believe me that I thought we were having a discussion based on the parameters you set. That’s so very gracious of you.

I “walked away” from that conversation rolling my eyes. I think everybody else managed to follow the conversation fine and took the words you used to mean the things you said. To suggest otherwise had more than a hint of “gas-lighting” and a stench of “bad faith”.
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I've been in a LULL with AEW since Revolution. I have a big bone to pick about their booking of Hangman. Think back to when Austin was running hot. Almost every episode was built around him. He'd start the show with a segment, there would be backstage stuff and then eventually he'd have his match or interfere in the main event. He was the through line to the show.

Hangman is lucky to get one segment a week and it's always with Adam Cole. Adam Cole is not a fucking main guy, this has to stop. Adam Cole is not going to bring fans to the product. He's a good wrestler and promo yes but he look's like a fucking shrunken man, this is ridiculous. Almost all of the main stories are more compelling than the Champions story and I am sick of it!
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Its been mentioned on various podcasts that the formatting of aew's shows is terrible. As you said, instead of building each episode around a top talent story thread, they're taking time away from said talent to make sure as many undercard guys get a paycheck for the night as possible.

That's very generous of them, but generosity doesnt make for a good show.
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I've been in a LULL with AEW since Revolution. I have a big bone to pick about their booking of Hangman. Think back to when Austin was running hot. Almost every episode was built around him. He'd start the show with a segment, there would be backstage stuff and then eventually he'd have his match or interfere in the main event. He was the through line to the show.

Hangman is lucky to get one segment a week and it's always with Adam Cole. Adam Cole is not a fucking main guy, this has to stop. Adam Cole is not going to bring fans to the product. He's a good wrestler and promo yes but he look's like a fucking shrunken man, this is ridiculous. Almost all of the main stories are more compelling than the Champions story and I am sick of it!
I would argue that cole, as a scheming asshole who uses redragon's help to win, could be a top heel talent. Its just unbeleivable in this case because up til now hes been booked like a loser
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Dude, I allowed you to define the terms we were discussing, had the discussion based on those terms, then when I pointed out how the example you gave didn’t meet the definition you gave you turned around and said that you’d believe me that I thought we were having a discussion based on the parameters you set. That’s so very gracious of you.

I “walked away” from that conversation rolling my eyes. I think everybody else managed to follow the conversation fine and took the words you used to mean the things you said. To suggest otherwise had more than a hint of “gas-lighting” and a stench of “bad faith”.
We have a very different perspective of what was going on. I was not interested in discussing the semantics of what a star is, which is an admittedly subjective term. I think it measures prominence. Austin Theory is a bigger star than Adam Page. Anyone regularly featured on WWE television is. Because they are prominent on a show that is consumed by more people domestically and worldwide.
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