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Old 02-10-2022, 01:39 PM   #7841
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Something to point out: firing Joey Janela and Brian Cage doesn’t do anything to help the bloat. They’re not even featured on television anymore. Cutting them is inconsequential. The bloat comes from acts like Matt Hardy, Chris Jericho, Adam Cole, Orange Cassidy, Red Velvet and things that are actually on your TV turning away viewers. You can hire as many people as you want for Dark/Elevation.
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Old 02-10-2022, 03:19 PM   #7842
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Something to point out: firing Joey Janela and Brian Cage doesn’t do anything to help the bloat. They’re not even featured on television anymore. Cutting them is inconsequential. The bloat comes from acts like Matt Hardy, Chris Jericho, Adam Cole, Orange Cassidy, Red Velvet and things that are actually on your TV turning away viewers. You can hire as many people as you want for Dark/Elevation.
I wasn't aware that these acts were turning away viewers. So weird.
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Old 02-10-2022, 03:47 PM   #7843
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Old 02-10-2022, 04:24 PM   #7844
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They should cut Adam Page, Moxley, Omega, Punk and Miro. No one wants to watch them. It is known.
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They are stars. You turn on the show and you see them. People are tuning in to see them.
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What they need is an unofficial technical wrestling division with Matthew Riddle, Timmy Thatcher, Chadwick Gable and the WALTER. That's what the people want to see, ya dig?

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Old 02-10-2022, 09:47 PM   #7847
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So he is patting himself on the back for not firing people before, while also bragging about signing better people, so that now he can let go of the people he kept before???


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Old 02-10-2022, 10:00 PM   #7848
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You missed the joke I think.....
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Old 02-11-2022, 02:37 AM   #7849
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So he is patting himself on the back for not firing people before, while also bragging about signing better people, so that now he can let go of the people he kept before???


Wow
He’s also pretty quick to point out he was paying them to suck if they have anything negative to say about the culture there. Shut up, collect your paycheck and stay in anonymity. Much nicer than what the WWE does, right?
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Old 02-11-2022, 11:06 AM   #7850
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To all the fucking haters out there...

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“The Adam Cole that’s here has main evented numerous Dynamites and Rampages, has been one of our biggest drawing wrestlers. The Adam Cole versus Orange Cassidy program is one of the biggest drawing programs we’ve ever had in the history of AEW. They have done big numbers on every show they’ve been on. And it’s been a big part of our rating success in recent months, has been the matches they did with each other.


Before Orange Cassidy and the Best Friends, Adam Cole wrestled a number of matches also against Jungle Boy. He beat Jungle Boy. Of course, Orange Cassidy and Jungle Boy, both number one contenders. He beat both of them and he’s beaten everybody else he’s wrestled in a sanctioned match. Including a lot of main events. So wherever he’s been before this, he’s never been presented to as wide of an audience as consistently as a main event wrestler.


The lights-out match being an exception to that, but that was not a sanctioned match, did not go on his record. You mentioned Britt Baker. Britt Baker had a similar arc where Britt Baker had really come into her own as a wrestler. She had won a match against Thunder Rosa under kind of dubious circumstances. But that’s a win on her record,” he added. “So she had beaten Thunder Rosa, ironically at Beach Break in 2021, and then later at the St. Patrick Day Slam, Thunder Rosa won the lights-out match. But it wasn’t long after that where Britt Baker ended up with the best record and went on to Double Or Nothing and won the world championship.

Of course, this is coming off just weeks after losing this lights-out match. And it hasn’t slowed down Britt at all. Frankly, Adam Cole, all the great matches and all the great wins he’s had. I don’t think that’s going to slow him down at all. We saw on Rampage, he looked better than ever. I thought his promo was very strong and I expect more of that from him, convincing performances, strong promos. So he is a very highly regarded person who has been incredibly valuable since he arrived in AEW.”
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Old 02-11-2022, 11:13 AM   #7851
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They need to do a better job of getting this stuff across on the show/s. That’s a lot of “telling” not “showing”.
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Old 02-11-2022, 11:48 AM   #7852
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They need to do a better job of getting this stuff across on the show/s. That’s a lot of “telling” not “showing”.
Naw, the only storyline they do on the actual show is "Fed Bad".
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Old 02-11-2022, 11:52 AM   #7853
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kinda like the only posts you need to make are "phil said fed bad "
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Old 02-11-2022, 12:01 PM   #7854
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kinda like the only posts you need to make are "phil said fed bad "
Maybe, but also what happened to the rest of his teeth
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Old 02-11-2022, 12:44 PM   #7855
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Old 02-11-2022, 01:31 PM   #7856
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I think we need to refrain from saying Fed. They haven’t been a federation for 20 years now.
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Old 02-11-2022, 01:46 PM   #7857
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Ex-Fed bad.
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Old 02-11-2022, 02:44 PM   #7858
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I think we need to refrain from saying Fed. They haven’t been a federation for 20 years now.
Entertainment Resentment?
Entertainment Complacent?
Entertainment Disengagement?

Quick, somebody tweet Phil!
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Entertainment Resentment?
Entertainment Complacent?
Entertainment Disengagement?

Quick, somebody tweet Phil!
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Lots of things wrong with this. Seeing a loss is more important than whether or not it is technically on someone’s bullshit record or not. People saw a skinny white guy lose to another skinny white guy. There’s also a big difference between pushing your female star with the most commercial potential by having her do an unusual style of match in a losing effort to someone with credibility. That helped get Britt over in what is, let’s be honest, a mid-card role.

And can we please stop using the word “draw” when it comes to these car wrecks? 1 million people is not drawing. How can there be “no one cares about WWE” memes when it is watched by several times the number of people that watch AEW? It’s like when Mick Foley defended the sex offender by saying his shtick puts a smile on every face. Yes, on the 50 faces an advertiser wants to avoid being associated with their product. People are not tuning in to see these acts. They are laughing at them and then switching off to the product and likely wrestling forever. Causally linking attention to approval is such a Vince Russo trait. These acts are not growing the promotion. They are getting comparative attention compared to a flat product no one watches because they cannot sincerely emotionally invest.

This is why Danhausen’s merchandise selling (allegedly) very well by AEW standards is an indictment. It’d be like Kaientai’s “Indeed” shirt doing well compared to The Rock’s and people saying “Wow! Kaientai is over!” No. What the fuck have you done to The Rock?

There’s a reason they don’t give you the actual numbers for these shirts. And there’s a reason people check out of this product.
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Old 02-11-2022, 03:50 PM   #7861
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No clue who that is, and since she’s a woman signing with AEW, I can only assume she is the shits.
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Old 02-11-2022, 03:57 PM   #7863
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She debuted on Wednesday and seemed bad... match was a mess
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Old 02-11-2022, 04:01 PM   #7864
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yeah i don't understand why they used/signed her when they already have someone way better like say kiera hogan already on the roster.
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Old 02-11-2022, 04:02 PM   #7865
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i mean they coulda used diamante ffs
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Tony Khan is looking for those diversity hires.

It would help if AEW actually had ties to a proper school.
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Old 02-11-2022, 05:38 PM   #7870
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Its petty when they do this shit too but will agree that that's pretty damn savage.
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Old 02-11-2022, 05:56 PM   #7871
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Old 02-11-2022, 07:09 PM   #7872
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Adam Cole losing to Orange Cassidy, clean on tv is not good. No amount of mental gymnastics can excuse that.

These are the kind of decisions that are holding AEW back. And the fact that Tony khan is so committed to it that he's willing to write an essay defending it, doesn't give much hope that he's open to change.
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Adam Cole losing to Orange Cassidy, clean on tv is not good. No amount of mental gymnastics can excuse that.

These are the kind of decisions that are holding AEW back. And the fact that Tony khan is so committed to it that he's willing to write an essay defending it, doesn't give much hope that he's open to change.


AEW and its most hardcore fans start from the position that AEW = good. Everything is then forced to fit that paradigm.
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Why are they putting Jay White's debut match on Rampage next week? That seems real shortsighted to debut him on a taped edition of their B Show. Also, if they want him to be a big deal, couldnt they have done better than Trent Beretta?
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Adam Cole losing to Orange Cassidy, clean on tv is not good. No amount of mental gymnastics can excuse that.

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Yeah. OC should not be a main player. I liked him best when he was more on the fringes like that one match where there was a brawl backstage and someone gets tossed through a bathroom door and OC is just standing there.

I get that those are the things that get him popular enough to be featured but he's basically a comedy act like Santino. He can have a moment or two but he should not be involved in title matches and main events with main event guys on a regular basis. He should top out at things like his match against PAC at Evolution a couple of years ago.
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Old 02-12-2022, 04:19 PM   #7878
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He shouldn't be beating top guys. End of story.

One of the biggest things that pissed me off was comparing it to Britt Baker's loss in a similar match. The difference being that one of them lost to an opponent who's greatest career accomplishment prior to AEW was winning titles while dressing up as an ant in a comedy promotion. Britt's opponent's biggest accomplishment prior to AEW was being the NWA Women's Champion. Only way it would be comparable is if Orange Cassidy falls off the face of the earth for months at a time, and that isn't happening.
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Old 02-12-2022, 04:25 PM   #7879
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They would have to strip OC of the things that make him OC if they really want him to be a serious main eventer. You get rid of the lazy gimmick and he's just meh.
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Orange Cassidy is the worst and there’s no place for him at all. He defeats the purpose of even trying to do this shit.
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