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Old 09-18-2015, 05:37 PM   #19361
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When it was on Lesnar it was definitely gaining credibility again. Like I said, I'd rather it be on a part-time spectacle at this point rather than it being what it is now. Putting it on far lesser guys with no credibility and crossing their fingers is definitely counter-productive.

Plus, if there's ever a time to use the title to just give a guy like Sting a reign it would be now when he can actually bring up the prestige as opposed to taking it from someone like Cena or Lesnar.
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:48 PM   #19362
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Nothing will ever make the WWE title prestigious to any of you ever again because you're not 10-year-old kids any more. Same as the Intercontinental and the United States titles. You should all stop banging on about it's prestige and "elevating guys" because at the end of the day, wrestling will never be the same again as it was for us all in our youths.
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Old 09-18-2015, 06:31 PM   #19363
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So then you're opinion on any of this is rather irrelevant because by your own admission, you are watching very little. Its like reading 10 pages of a book and saying the storyline wasnt compelling enough.
Lol, ridiculous argument. I knew what I was watching was no compelling so I stopped. I have checked in again to see if it has changed because I very badly want it too, but it hasn't.

Terrible analogy and rather bizarre tbh.
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CyNick is apparently a big fan of missing the point, telling other people what they want and failing to recognise the flaws in his own work. It's not really surprising he has this stance on current WWE.
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:11 PM   #19365
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When it was on Lesnar it was definitely gaining credibility again. Like I said, I'd rather it be on a part-time spectacle at this point rather than it being what it is now. Putting it on far lesser guys with no credibility and crossing their fingers is definitely counter-productive.

Plus, if there's ever a time to use the title to just give a guy like Sting a reign it would be now when he can actually bring up the prestige as opposed to taking it from someone like Cena or Lesnar.
Problem is look what happened the second the belt was off Lesnar. Sure it seemed like a big deal when he had it, but no one could have ever lived up to the hype when they beat him for it unless they themselves were a mega star like he is.

Of course this all comes back to the fact that WWE doesn't know how to book properly anymore. If they were to keep the belt on a guy like Lesnar for a couple years maybe, or bring in a couple of big names to feud with him over those few years they could then have everyone else fighting for the secondary titles. All of this would however require WWE to actually put effort into those smaller feuds and actually write compelling storylines.
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:14 PM   #19366
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Undertaker/Sting with the WWE Title on the line at Mania in Dallas is intriguing to me....would have been 10 times better 10 years ago, but beggars cannot be choosers....
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:20 PM   #19367
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Nothing will ever make the WWE title prestigious to any of you ever again because you're not 10-year-old kids any more. Same as the Intercontinental and the United States titles. You should all stop banging on about it's prestige and "elevating guys" because at the end of the day, wrestling will never be the same again as it was for us all in our youths.
That's a cop-out. As an adult I enjoy the hell out of many cartoons, shows, etc that are predominantly focused toward children. Shows like Steven Universe, and movies like 99% of the stuff Pixar makes all manage to be just as entertaining to millions of adults as they are to children. WWE's product is bad, and their titles mean nothing because they don't put any real effort into it.

Children can be entertained with crap, just like the majority of adults can. But just because you can survive on crap doesn't mean you should have to. WWE is perfectly capable of making quality entertainment that all ages could enjoy. They just choose not to, period.
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:28 PM   #19368
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I'm not talking about the quality of the product, I'm talking about what internet fans consider the "prestige" of the titles.

I guarantee, every single title in the WWE from this day forward will always be spoken about in the context of comparing it to it's "former glories", or how it can "regain it's prestige" or some other nonsense. There will never, ever be a day when internet fans will be happy and say how prestigious any specific title is.

Not anymore.
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:35 PM   #19369
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Also, in regards to comparing it to a kids show, you need to consider how your mindset has changed since your youth.

When you were ten, you'd watch a cartoon and you knew it was a cartoon, nothing more. You'd watch wrestling and it was super cool seeing these other-the-top characters beating each other up, winning championships etc.

Now, when you watch a cartoon, you know it's a kids cartoon and you enjoy it for what it is. When you watch wrestling, as a grown-up, with a better idea of the inner-workings of the business and with the ins-and-outs of wrestling so exposed today, you don't watch it with the same mindset.
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Old 09-18-2015, 11:11 PM   #19370
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Didn't recall the phrase "R.K.O., FROM OUT OF NOWHERE!" going so far back, but was watching DVD of Backlash '08 with Orton (c) v. Triple H v. Cena v. JBL in an elimination fatal-4-way for the WWE Championship...J.R. made the call of it...seems crazy that's been (probably on-and-off) used for at least around 7 1/2 years.
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Old 09-18-2015, 11:18 PM   #19371
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Old 09-18-2015, 11:21 PM   #19372
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I see Sting winning due to botched interference by HHH leading to HHH declaring himself number 1 contender and Rollins going after him for the spot. Meanwhile Sting can deal with Sheamus trying to cashing his briefcase with Cena sticking his nose in or he can be involved in the HHH/Rollins feud by egging Rollins on. In any event I see Stings role in the Title pretty much the same as one of Jerichos championship early runs, booked ok but not as the main event.
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:12 AM   #19374
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I'm not talking about the quality of the product, I'm talking about what internet fans consider the "prestige" of the titles.

I guarantee, every single title in the WWE from this day forward will always be spoken about in the context of comparing it to it's "former glories", or how it can "regain it's prestige" or some other nonsense. There will never, ever be a day when internet fans will be happy and say how prestigious any specific title is.

Not anymore.
Maybe the average internet fan would/does feel that way, but I certainly don't. There have been times when I felt like the title and the matches for it actually meant a lot, even as an adult. It all just came down to the story behind it and whether I thought said story was good. Oh, and the players involved of course.

For example I really felt the title held a lot of prestige throughout all of Lesnar's run with it. I also felt the same way when CM Punk had it because you had guys like the Rock even clamoring to beat him for it. It all just came down to the fact that the belt really felt like something major stars wanted. I think this deal with Sting is pretty great for that too. This is a guy that was the franchise player of WCW yet even he is interested in winning the belt. I'm not necessarily happy with him winning it (not angry either), but him wanting to fight for it at all is huge IMO since for years legends would just pop in and not even bother with the belt. Everyone should be ecstatic to get a shot at the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, even legends that are supposedly "above it". By making anyone above the title you sorta cheapen it.

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Also, in regards to comparing it to a kids show, you need to consider how your mindset has changed since your youth.

When you were ten, you'd watch a cartoon and you knew it was a cartoon, nothing more. You'd watch wrestling and it was super cool seeing these other-the-top characters beating each other up, winning championships etc.

Now, when you watch a cartoon, you know it's a kids cartoon and you enjoy it for what it is. When you watch wrestling, as a grown-up, with a better idea of the inner-workings of the business and with the ins-and-outs of wrestling so exposed today, you don't watch it with the same mindset.
Personally I still watch wrestling with a very similar midset to that I had as a kid. Sure, my taste has changed as far as who I think is cooler, but that's happened with cartoons too. However, I still scream at my tv while watching RAW. I still make condescending and snarky remarks to their points such as if HHH were to talk about being the man and not need others to Rollins I'd probably say something along the lines of "Because you totally didn't need Flair, Orton, and Bats did ya, Hunter?".

I don't know, maybe I'm just weird, but for me I've always still had the ability to disconnect from reality while watching tv. I know it's not real and all that jazz, but for those three hours RAW is on it doesn't matter. Meh, guess it all has to do with being a child at heart. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I always figured that if grown men and women could still enjoy wrestling they must be similarly young at heart. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:36 AM   #19375
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I was gonna mention Lesnar's reign as making the title bring a "big fight feel" with it. There are examples where the title's prestige is being raised even if they end up going in reverse. So the idea that titles can't have prestige because we're adults is kinda BS. I was not a 10 year old kid and was well aware wrestling was "fake" during the attitude era and that didn't stop title matches from being incredibly meaningful within the story because they meant something. Same deal when Lesnar had it but to a lesser degree because they'd spent so long diminishing it that one man, no matter how credible, could only do so much.
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Does Carlito even want to come back?
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There is not a chance in hell of Sting walking out of Night of Champions with the WWE Title.

I can realistically see Cena beating Rollins for the US title, then Rollins beating Sting. Even if Sting does win the title, then Sheamus will cash in Money in the Bank afterwards (which would be a disastrous decision for business) but either way, Sting will not be the WWE champion the next night on Raw.
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Think I'd rather see Sting as champion for a month than Rollins keep it. Since TNA doesn't exist in the "WWE universe", he's at least got some credibility as a huge star who would bring the prestige of the title up for a bit by holding it.

Honestly, I think I'd rather see Brock holding it while making his rare appearances still than have it on Seth Rollins as he jobs left and right and makes it look like a glorified title for losers. It should always be on someone ridiculously over until they're able to get someone else to that level. This "throw your world championship on a guy and hope to maybe get them over to that level later" thing is just bad for business all around and makes the title itself not draw for shit.
He's older than Vince when Vince won the title. How is that bringing prestige to the title? WWE has been very smart with their long term booking, I would be shocked if they did all this build up of Rollins only to have him lose to a guy that is old and past his prime. Especially if the plan would be just to put the belt back on Rollins. If they really wanted to give Sting a moment, have Seth get royally screwed. Cena runs in, and causes the pinfall, and then the next night on RAW Sheamus cashes in MITB on Sting. But even that is convoluted.

Another option if they want to get another month out of Sting, is have Rollins retain via DQ and then that justifies the HIAC rematch. In fact, if they did it where Rollins-Sting goes on before Rollins-Cena (say they flip a coin backstage to determine the order of the matches), then you can have Rollins retain via DQ, Cena beats Rollins for the US title with Sting's help. That sets up HIAC where you have Rollins go over Sting clean. That also sets up Survivor Series nicely where you can have a Rollins-Cena rematch for the WWE title.
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I'd agree with you if not for the fact that WWE has pretty much proven they're incapable of ever getting someone even remotely close to that level without throwing the title on them. It's not right, but honestly the title really is just a prop these days. It should be the prize for guys that got to the level of mega star, but it's not, and throwing it on Sting or any other legend really isn't going to change that unfortunately. To build the title back up to being meaningful would probably take years at this point.
Thats such BS.

The title is VERY strong right now.

Cena had it, and got battered by Lesnar. Lesnar was THE strongest WWE champion since probably Hogan in the 80s, maybe even going back to the Bruno days (although I wasnt around for those so cant really comment). And Rollins won the title in a way a villain should, and has retained it like a villain should.

Playing hot potato with the belt championship, especially putting it on a senior citizen, only serves to devalue it. But hey, I know, we're supposed to bash the WWE booking on the internet. So my bad.
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Undertaker/Sting with the WWE Title on the line at Mania in Dallas is intriguing to me....would have been 10 times better 10 years ago, but beggars cannot be choosers....
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CyNick is apparently a big fan of missing the point, telling other people what they want and failing to recognize the flaws in his own work. It's not really surprising he has this stance on current WWE.
You mean my stance that WWE does a great job because they are far and away the market leader in their industry and continue to grow and revolutionize the industry. Man, am I a dope!

You're right though, we should let Jim Cornette chime in on the flaws of the WWE business model.
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Lol, ridiculous argument. I knew what I was watching was no compelling so I stopped. I have checked in again to see if it has changed because I very badly want it too, but it hasn't.

Terrible analogy and rather bizarre tbh.
Okay, you're right. Its more like you pick up a book that you enjoyed for a while, then stopped enjoying, then skipped a whole bunch of pages, read 5 pages and went "I dont like it" and put it back down.

Its fine to do that, just doesnt mean you can have an opinion on current storylines because you are not following close enough. My guess is you are lying and you watch every week like the rest of us, and dont admit it. Its cool though, I still like you.
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That's a cop-out. As an adult I enjoy the hell out of many cartoons, shows, etc that are predominantly focused toward children. Shows like Steven Universe, and movies like 99% of the stuff Pixar makes all manage to be just as entertaining to millions of adults as they are to children. WWE's product is bad, and their titles mean nothing because they don't put any real effort into it.

Children can be entertained with crap, just like the majority of adults can. But just because you can survive on crap doesn't mean you should have to. WWE is perfectly capable of making quality entertainment that all ages could enjoy. They just choose not to, period.
Their business continues to grow, so obviously they are appealing to the right people. You're opinion is valid, its just kinda irrelevant.
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Also, in regards to comparing it to a kids show, you need to consider how your mindset has changed since your youth.

When you were ten, you'd watch a cartoon and you knew it was a cartoon, nothing more. You'd watch wrestling and it was super cool seeing these other-the-top characters beating each other up, winning championships etc.

Now, when you watch a cartoon, you know it's a kids cartoon and you enjoy it for what it is. When you watch wrestling, as a grown-up, with a better idea of the inner-workings of the business and with the ins-and-outs of wrestling so exposed today, you don't watch it with the same mindset.
Do you watch Breaking Bad with an idea of the inner politics between the actors and the writers? Why would you possibly care what goes on behind closed doors?

If you stayed off the dirt sheets you would enjoy the product much more. Trust me.
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I was gonna mention Lesnar's reign as making the title bring a "big fight feel" with it. There are examples where the title's prestige is being raised even if they end up going in reverse. So the idea that titles can't have prestige because we're adults is kinda BS. I was not a 10 year old kid and was well aware wrestling was "fake" during the attitude era and that didn't stop title matches from being incredibly meaningful within the story because they meant something. Same deal when Lesnar had it but to a lesser degree because they'd spent so long diminishing it that one man, no matter how credible, could only do so much.
You seem to have a problem with heel champions. Makes sense since you are #1 wwf fan. That was a babyface territory that you grew up with. So you're rejecting the idea of a long heel run because its foreign.

IMO you gotta let the angle play out. WWE has been good about slowing their long term angles down. You can see an arch develop with the characters, and they actually build to something. May not always be exactly what you personally want to see, but its better than changing direction every 6 weeks.
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There is not a chance in hell of Sting walking out of Night of Champions with the WWE Title.

I can realistically see Cena beating Rollins for the US title, then Rollins beating Sting. Even if Sting does win the title, then Sheamus will cash in Money in the Bank afterwards (which would be a disastrous decision for business) but either way, Sting will not be the WWE champion the next night on Raw.
Depending where they are ultimately going with Rollins, I think you have to wait for the cash in until they turn from Rollins back dooring his way to wins, to Rollins winning clean and setting the stage for the eventual babyface turn. They can start that with Sting. It can be this month or next, but at some point Rollins should beat Sting clean. Then depending where they go with Cena, I would want to see Rollins beat him clean as well. After that, then you can have Sheamus cash in. HHH can blame Rollins for losing, and start to side with Sheamus as the new "face of the WWE" (which would be funny because it will play off the you look stupid chants), and that leads to the rift between Rollins and HHH. Payoff at Mania with Rollins vs HHH.
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Depending where they are ultimately going with Rollins, I think you have to wait for the cash in until they turn from Rollins back dooring his way to wins, to Rollins winning clean and setting the stage for the eventual babyface turn. They can start that with Sting. It can be this month or next, but at some point Rollins should beat Sting clean. Then depending where they go with Cena, I would want to see Rollins beat him clean as well. After that, then you can have Sheamus cash in. HHH can blame Rollins for losing, and start to side with Sheamus as the new "face of the WWE" (which would be funny because it will play off the you look stupid chants), and that leads to the rift between Rollins and HHH. Payoff at Mania with Rollins vs HHH.
Is there any reason to believe that Sting is sticking around after Night of Champions?
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First time i remember "RKO outta nowhere" was against Benoit at the finish of Summer Slam 04.
As in that actually being called by commentary?

First RKO he ever did was on Kane, I believe, during the infamous Kane/Triple H "World Heavyweight Championship vs. Mask" match on RAW c. Summer '03, causing HHH to pin Kane and thus forcing Kane to unmask.
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Yes, as in JR actually making the call.

And lol at "He's older than Vince than when Vince wonthe title". Clearly Vince and Sting are comparable.
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Do you watch Breaking Bad with an idea of the inner politics between the actors and the writers? Why would you possibly care what goes on behind closed doors?

If you stayed off the dirt sheets you would enjoy the product much more. Trust me.
Someone clearly didn't read both of my posts properly.
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So 2k have announced that Sasha, Charlotte, Becky and Bayley WILL NOT be included in 2k16, nor will they be included as DLC. No real mention of why not, other than a hint at external figures being involved.

I have nothing to base this on but I blame Cena
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Okay, you're right. Its more like you pick up a book that you enjoyed for a while, then stopped enjoying, then skipped a whole bunch of pages, read 5 pages and went "I dont like it" and put it back down.

Its fine to do that, just doesnt mean you can have an opinion on current storylines because you are not following close enough. My guess is you are lying and you watch every week like the rest of us, and dont admit it. Its cool though, I still like you.
Lol, I can promise you I don't, maybe the occasional look or segment but most weeks it is less than an hour and about half the weeks it is nothing at all. It's because of consistent behaviour over several years, so have to reject your book theory once again.

Don't miss the specials of PPVs usually though because the match quality is always excellent. I don't hate WWE, nor am I being critical because its cool. I, personally, just don't think Raw is very enjoyable because I personally don't find the repetitive nature or stories very interesting.

Love the PPVs though, and I still like you too lol
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Is there any reason to believe that Sting is sticking around after Night of Champions?
No not really. I don't know the details of his deal. Just saying if he is they could easily get another match out of him.
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