Ratings Thread

[drave]

I'm not speaking for anyone else with the "where are these people here" argument. It is so regularly mentioned I'm just genuinely wondering where those posts/posters are as I haven't seen it?


Funny though, whenever that gets brought up, nothing comes of it. That's all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d suggest you look outside TPWW, or the gang mentality some people have with stopping critics. BigCrippyZ accused me of sucking Vince’s cock, even though I am largely down on the WWE product as well. Vito gets nasty and goes after people in passive aggressive ways. Screech and slik get salty. #fan is reasonable, but doesn’t like AEW himself. He says it’s more about how people criticize it, or their attitude or whatever, which is ironically what is frustrating about the blind AEW devotion.

[drave]

I don't care enough about wrestling overall to look elsewhere. Even if I did, the allegation of cultists is here on TeePeeDubyaDubyad0tcom


You and CrippyZ have a feud that's gone on before AEW. Wouldn't be surprised if he told you that before AEW even existed.


Passive-aggressive behaviors = / = cultish behaviors


Screech has a podcast you should check out and Slik likes to stir the pot via twitter and thread titles.

[Jordan]

Wrestling is entirely drowning right now. There are enough hangers on for both WWE and AEW to keep it relevant financially and in some imaginative ways it is "bigger" than ever. That's why this thread exists, the supposition of importance by tv execs and ad rates for cable and network tv. This debate is so exhausted and trivial. The true debate should be the depth of talent in the industry as a whole and how it go to this point, and I mean both creative talent as well as in ring performance. We are all hanging on to the constantly growing distant past.

[thecc]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect I was told I loved having Vince McMahon’s dick in my mouth because I don’t like AEW.

That must be exactly what it is. Not the fact that both of you act like the biggest losers over this shit. Didn’t you spend all night lurking on a board that hated an aew ppv, only to come here and be like “see people hate it.” That not the behavior of a rational person.

And that’s why both of you deserve to be bullied for the rest of your lives.

[Evil Vito]

I enjoy AEW and I'm glad the ratings are sufficient enough to keep them going.

That's about it. I don't have any delusions about it ever being mainstream or whatever but as long as they're doing enough to keep going and they're producing content that entertains me, I hope they can continue to do enough to carry on.

There, was that so complicated?

[Evil Vito]

No matter what company it is, if enough people are watching to operate and they enjoy it, let them enjoy it.

If you lost your passion for wrestling or find modern wrestling unwatchable, unfortunate but understandable, find something else to do.

But all the constant fighting from all angles about "THE STATE OF THE BUSINESS" or whatever is tiresome.

[thecc]

Also its two billionaires (one of which is an abhorrently evil piece of shit.) So really, who cares.

[thecc]

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito I enjoy AEW and I'm glad the ratings are sufficient enough to keep them going. That's about it. I don't have any delusions about it ever being mainstream or whatever but as long as they're doing enough to keep going and they're producing content that entertains me, I hope they can continue to do enough to carry on. There, was that so complicated?

Wrestling is always gonna be niche and there's nothing wrong with that.

[screech]

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito But all the constant fighting from all angles about "THE STATE OF THE BUSINESS" or whatever is tiresome.

Never understood why fans care so much about this. If the show is entertaining me, I'll watch it. If it isn't, I won't.

[Volare]

Originally Posted by screech Never understood why fans care so much about this. If the show is entertaining me, I'll watch it. If it isn't, I won't.

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by drave I was wondering about this. Silly semantics about definitions aside, where are the cultist posts of people losing their shit? I've tried searching, found none....

How about every single reply that is nothing but 4th grade name calling?

If you think it is rational to cuss out somebody who slightly disagrees with you, then I suppose you wouldn't recognize vitriol replies when they are right in front of you.

And I've even said it before, the definitions are because I assumed a rational person who accuses me of not understanding a word would not change their minds on their own.

I certainly did not expect that they would ALSO reject dictionary definitions, ESPECIALLY the definitions from the EXACT dictionary they suggested I use.

How the hell can I even counter "you don't know words, use Collins dictionary, but no that definition isn't right either you are stupid " ????

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect xrod was right, and that’s what really shits people off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by drave I don't care enough about wrestling overall to look elsewhere. Even if I did, the allegation of cultists is here on TeePeeDubyaDubyad0tcom You and CrippyZ have a feud that's gone on before AEW. Wouldn't be surprised if he told you that before AEW even existed. Passive-aggressive behaviors = / = cultish behaviors Screech has a podcast you should check out and Slik likes to stir the pot via twitter and thread titles.

Nope, it literally started because I didn’t love AEW and called bullshit on Meltzer’s narrative that the WWE was busting balls with NXT to put them six feet under. I was 100% correct, but it just wasn’t fashionable to say then. The correct answer was “Yay! Anything Else! I love Anything Else!”

Originally Posted by Jordan X Wrestling is entirely drowning right now. There are enough hangers on for both WWE and AEW to keep it relevant financially and in some imaginative ways it is "bigger" than ever. That's why this thread exists, the supposition of importance by tv execs and ad rates for cable and network tv. This debate is so exhausted and trivial. The true debate should be the depth of talent in the industry as a whole and how it go to this point, and I mean both creative talent as well as in ring performance. We are all hanging on to the constantly growing distant past.

I don’t think it’s that a big a mystery as to how it got here. And I don’t think the business side isn’t worth discussing. It’s more interesting than the on-air content. There is more money in live television than there ever has been, and both companies are frankly shitting the bed with subpar content (for the most part — SmackDown is actually okay, but certain bridges have been burned).

Originally Posted by thecc That must be exactly what it is. Not the fact that both of you act like the biggest losers over this shit. Didn’t you spend all night lurking on a board that hated an aew ppv, only to come here and be like “see people hate it.” That not the behavior of a rational person. And that’s why both of you deserve to be bullied for the rest of your lives.

No, I’ve never done that. Not sure who you’re confusing me with, but you’re confused. But there we go, another TPWWinner.

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito I enjoy AEW and I'm glad the ratings are sufficient enough to keep them going. That's about it. I don't have any delusions about it ever being mainstream or whatever but as long as they're doing enough to keep going and they're producing content that entertains me, I hope they can continue to do enough to carry on. There, was that so complicated?

That’s if it will keep them going. If I have to see another person who simultaneously mocks the WWE for decreasing ratings while lauding AEW for 650k, my head’s going to explode. They are nowhere near as secure as people think they are.

What’s to stop Vince McMahon offering TNT different wrestling content in 2024 or whenever for cheaper than AEW? The idea that AEW has somehow got this permanent place in wrestling is pretty unwarranted. The Khans can keep it going for as long as they want, but it doesn’t mean people are going to watch it or give a shit enough to provide a platform indefinitely.

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito No matter what company it is, if enough people are watching to operate and they enjoy it, let them enjoy it. If you lost your passion for wrestling or find modern wrestling unwatchable, unfortunate but understandable, find something else to do. But all the constant fighting from all angles about "THE STATE OF THE BUSINESS" or whatever is tiresome.

Shut the fuck up and stop gatekeeping conversation. You don’t get to decide what anyone else is interested in discussing any more than I do, or xrod does. If interest in wrestling drops and no one wants to put it on the air, no one has anything to enjoy, genius. That is why some people want to talk about it — because they can think more than about 3 weeks in front of them. And outside a 3 foot radius of where they are situated.

The irony of this place: You cunts did it to me with the WWE too, so don’t pretend to have always been on the “Wow, WWE sucks boat.” When you tell someone to let them enjoy what they enjoy, but then tell people they shouldn’t enjoy (x), you are doing EXACTLY THAT THING. At least I will tell you why what you enjoy sucks.

Wrestling is deader than usual — in terms of interest. AEW has not helped. These boards are deader than they’ve ever been. AEW has not helped. There’s only so much water in the well and now more people in the industry are splitting it. See how that goes. More bad wrestling is not good for wrestling. I don’t have to like it and I don’t need to bite my fucking tongue about that.

[Ultra Mantis]

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 How about every single reply that is nothing but 4th grade name calling? If you think it is rational to cuss out somebody who slightly disagrees with you, then I suppose you wouldn't recognize vitriol replies when they are right in front of you. And I've even said it before, the definitions are because I assumed a rational person who accuses me of not understanding a word would not change their minds on their own. I certainly did not expect that they would ALSO reject dictionary definitions, ESPECIALLY the definitions from the EXACT dictionary they suggested I use. How the hell can I even counter "you don't know words, use Collins dictionary, but no that definition isn't right either you are stupid " ????

Again, since you didnt understand it the first time - the definitions are correct, you do not appear to know what they mean. You're the one who required a dictionary in the first place. Contextualisation is important, using the correct meaning of a word at the correct time is important to communication. The word you are looking for is fanatic, not cultist. You're still ignorant of the reason why the people you stole "AEW cultist" from in the first place were using it as a derogatory term. It's not because of anything you bolded if you need a hint.

Here you are even saying the alleged AEW cultists are simply anyone you have disagreements with. Do you have any evidence of my supposed blind obsession with AEW? I'm drawing a blank on this one.

Do you feel that if you walked into a restaurant, pulled down your pants and did a big shit on the floor while everyone else in the restaraunt cussed you out for it, that it would be everyone else who has the problem? Maybe some of the people in the restaurant weren't even enjoying the food, but you're still the guy who walked in and took a shit on the floor. Now you're rolling around in the shit. Some might even say you're eating it. Is that who you want to be?

[Ultra Mantis]

Hey noid are you still seething because I said Kota Ibushi and Minoru Suzuki were unlikely to jump ship to AEW two years ago and that there was absolutely zero chance that WWE would buy New Japan and put it on the WWE network? Keep calling it as you see it, you clearly know what you're talking about.

[thecc]

Hey noid dis you?

[drave]

I don't need definitions explained or anything. I can put it into three simple words:




quote the posts

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by drave I don't need definitions explained or anything. I can put it into three simple words: quote the posts

Not you Drave, I'm referring to Mantis, who is so hung up on the definition version of cult referring to religious beliefs, and that because AEW isn't religious, it can't be a cult, and therefore I don't understand context

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by drave I don't need definitions explained or anything. I can put it into three simple words: quote the posts

As for quotes just scroll up on this page lol

[Ultra Mantis]

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 Not you Drave, I'm referring to Mantis, who is so hung up on the definition version of cult referring to religious beliefs, and that because AEW isn't religious, it can't be a cult, and therefore I don't understand context

Oh wow, you might want to just delete this one.

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis Again, since you didnt understand it the first time - the definitions are correct, you do not appear to know what they mean. You're the one who required a dictionary in the first place. Contextualisation is important, using the correct meaning of a word at the correct time is important to communication. The word you are looking for is fanatic, not cultist. You're still ignorant of the reason why the people you stole "AEW cultist" from in the first place were using it as a derogatory term. It's not because of anything you bolded if you need a hint. Here you are even saying the alleged AEW cultists are simply anyone you have disagreements with. Do you have any evidence of my supposed blind obsession with AEW? I'm drawing a blank on this one. Do you feel that if you walked into a restaurant, pulled down your pants and did a big shit on the floor while everyone else in the restaraunt cussed you out for it, that it would be everyone else who has the problem? Maybe some of the people in the restaurant weren't even enjoying the food, but you're still the guy who walked in and took a shit on the floor. Now you're rolling around in the shit. Some might even say you're eating it. Is that who you want to be?

If you walked into a library, would you pick up a dictionary and call it names and tell it to check another dictionary, then be mad at the 2nd dictionary because it also didn't match your views?

You are acting like I had to quote dictionaries because I didn't know.

I quoted the dictionary for your benefit, to show that you don't have to take my word for it. But that wasn't even good enough, so I quoted a different dictionary as suggested by you, and now that one is wrong to.

I was in error trying to use a credible source like a dictionary to try and assist you in understanding. I clearly overestimated you, my fault.

And FYI, a Fanatic refers to a single person. A Cult refers to a small group of people.

You can look that one up yourself, Champ.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by thecc Hey noid dis you?

Yes. So? I was texting friends who hated the show and gifs were posted. That’s not what you asked of me. By the way, pretty obsessive memory.

[thecc]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect Yes. So? I was texting friends who hated the show and gifs were posted. That’s not what you asked of me. By the way, pretty obsessive memory.

So you’re saying you spent the other night continually talking about something you hate. And made sure you had to let everyone here know it. It’s kinda hard to forget something so cringe.

[Ultra Mantis]

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 If you walked into a library, would you pick up a dictionary and call it names and tell it to check another dictionary, then be mad at the 2nd dictionary because it also didn't match your views? You are acting like I had to quote dictionaries because I didn't know. I quoted the dictionary for your benefit, to show that you don't have to take my word for it. But that wasn't even good enough, so I quoted a different dictionary as suggested by you, and now that one is wrong to. I was in error trying to use a credible source like a dictionary to try and assist you in understanding. I clearly overestimated you, my fault. And FYI, a Fanatic refers to a single person. A Cult refers to a small group of people. You can look that one up yourself, Champ.

Where did I say the dictionary definition was wrong? You were quoting it to try and validate your own incorrect usage of the word and then you started trying to make a big play about fractions because you couldnt figure out any other way to try and demonstrate intelligence. You still don't understand where you went wrong and you're getting so hung up over this you're tying yourself in knots. Maybe start by grounding your arguments in reality and stop shitting in the resteraunt. Hey, and try adding an s onto the end of the word fanatic. I wonder what would happen?

[Savio]

Seems like xrod needs to take a breather.

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis Where did I say the dictionary definition was wrong? You were quoting it to try and validate your own incorrect usage of the word and then you started trying to make a big play about fractions because you couldnt figure out any other way to try and demonstrate intelligence. You still don't understand where you went wrong and you're getting so hung up over this you're tying yourself in knots. Maybe start by grounding your arguments in reality and stop shitting in the resteraunt. Hey, and try adding an s onto the end of the word fanatic. I wonder what would happen?

You said I picked a few words that popped out.

I in fact selected 2 of the 3 full definitions.

You said picking a small fraction of the definition blah blah.

2 out of 3, or the fraction 2/3, is not a small fraction, it is the majority.

You said fanatic, not fanatics.

It is not my fault you do not understand plurals.

You do not understand dictionaries, reading, writing, or math.

[Ultra Mantis]

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 You said I picked a few words that popped out. I in fact selected 2 of the 3 full definitions. You said picking a small fraction of the definition blah blah. 2 out of 3, or the fraction 2/3, is not a small fraction, it is the majority. You said fanatic, not fanatics. It is not my fault you do not understand plurals. You do not understand dictionaries, reading, writing, or math.

But you actually were applying 1 out of 4, which is a small fraction, and then tried to pass it off as 3 out of 4 and then decided actually 3 and 4 are totally the same and shouldn't have separate definitions. Is this the height of your extremely original groundbreaking posting character? Semantics and a "No you". Oh wait, do you think this is ironic? Do you think this is socratic irony? You're really big braining everyone here aren't you?

[Savio]

Xrod the numbers don't lie and they spell





for you

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis But you actually were applying 1 out of 4, which is a small fraction, and then tried to pass it off as 3 out of 4 and then decided actually 3 and 4 are totally the same and shouldn't have separate definitions. Is this the height of your extremely original groundbreaking posting character? Semantics and a "No you". Oh wait, do you think this is ironic? Do you think this is socratic irony? You're really big braining everyone here aren't you?

No, I originally listed 3 definitions which you said I picked only words that popped out.

Did you just forget, or do you actually believe yourself?

[Ultra Mantis]

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 No, I originally listed 3 definitions which you said I picked only words that popped out. Did you just forget, or do you actually believe yourself?

Correct for once, you did, unsourced and acting like that was the gospel mathematical percentage and definitive scientific proof that you were correct and validated. All the while, you continually demonstrate that you don't actually know why you are using that particular word, have yet to provide examples of these "cultist" behavioral patterns and now claim that AEW is actually a legitimate cult. Full on. Would you like to address any of the other points raised over the last two days or are you just going to keep hammering this dictionary against your forehead until you fade from consciousness?

[screech]

Didn't this all start because xrod saw someone else use the term "cultist" and thought it sounded good? lol

[slik]

Super Bowl had it's lowest ratings since 2007, 96.4 million (which, of course, is still incredible for TV)


Here's the five most-watched Super Bowls btw

1. 2015: 114.4 million – Super Bowl XLIX: New England Patriots vs. Seattle Seahawks
2. 2014: 112.2 million – Super Bowl XLVIII: Seattle Seahawks vs. Denver Broncos
3. 2016: 111.9 million – Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers
4. 2012: 111.35 million – Super Bowl XLVI: New York Giants vs. New England Patriots
5. 2017: 111.32 million – Super Bowl LI: New England Patriots vs. Atlanta Falcons

[screech]

I think the last time Tampa Bay was in the Super Bowl, the game got low ratings too. I dunno, nor do I care enough to look it up, but I remember also being very bored by that game.

[Jordan]

Wrestling does really suck right now. I think AEW is by far the most watchable product out there world wide but even still I haven't watched in a few weeks. The lack of audience is the main reason. I just am having trouble connecting to any Wrestling at all right now. My interest in rings sports has complety shifted to MMA and to a small extent boxing, which is ironic because generally there are no fans there either. But it is quite different, and highly enjoyable to watch MMA without fans. Almost even moreso because you get to hear so much that normally is hidden under the crowd noise. With that thought one thing wrestling is lacking greatly is unbridled masculinity. I don't want woke wrestling, I want borderline offensive pricks with bolstering personalities keeping me guessing if they are crossing the lines of reality and fiction. AEW has a sense of the past but is also bogged down with the PWG influence that while in doses and when done expertly is fantastic but when spread thin is wearing on my interest greatly. This is just my expression of myself in fandom for pro wrestling right now. It's definitely waning.

[screech]

I thought I would hate watching rasslin without fans in the crowd, but it's gotten to the point where I hardly notice. At least WWE pipes in noise (the lack of random chants throughout matches is so goddamn refreshing) and AEW has some fans, so it's a bit more "normal."

But the lack of a crowd hasn't really deterred me from watching overall. I usually go in and out from WWE between Survivor Series and the Rumble, but I'm back in the thing now.

Haven't watched AEW Dark in like a year, but I think I'm caught up on Dynamite.

[slik]

1.715 million for RAW this week.

As someone whose always looked at ratings, I have noticed every year the trend is RAW after RR does better than average and then ratings drop until WM. Then the RAW after WM does really well, usually best ratings of the entire year. For whatever reason though, between RR and WM the ratings for RAW traditionally drops.

[Volare]

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by Slik Super Bowl had it's lowest ratings since 2007, 96.4 million (which, of course, is still incredible for TV) Here's the five most-watched Super Bowls btw 1. 2015: 114.4 million – Super Bowl XLIX: New England Patriots vs. Seattle Seahawks 2. 2014: 112.2 million – Super Bowl XLVIII: Seattle Seahawks vs. Denver Broncos 3. 2016: 111.9 million – Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers 4. 2012: 111.35 million – Super Bowl XLVI: New York Giants vs. New England Patriots 5. 2017: 111.32 million – Super Bowl LI: New England Patriots vs. Atlanta Falcons

5 most watched Super Bowls ever all happened within the past 10 years despite TV ratings being down across the board. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

[RP]

Originally Posted by Slik Super Bowl had it's lowest ratings since 2007, 96.4 million (which, of course, is still incredible for TV) Here's the five most-watched Super Bowls btw 1. 2015: 114.4 million – Super Bowl XLIX: New England Patriots vs. Seattle Seahawks 2. 2014: 112.2 million – Super Bowl XLVIII: Seattle Seahawks vs. Denver Broncos 3. 2016: 111.9 million – Super Bowl 50: Denver Broncos vs. Carolina Panthers 4. 2012: 111.35 million – Super Bowl XLVI: New York Giants vs. New England Patriots 5. 2017: 111.32 million – Super Bowl LI: New England Patriots vs. Atlanta Falcons

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