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Old 08-07-2021, 05:48 PM   #1
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Old 08-07-2021, 09:08 PM   #2
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I wonder if WWE shouldn’t ditch the monthly joint PPV model and go back to having brand exclusive shows. Ley all the smackdown ppvs be available on the fox sports app. Let the Raw shows be on peacock. Migrate the Fox ppvs to peacock a week or so after the live event. Keep the two night mania going but one night on Fox for all the smackdown matches, the other for all the Raw matches on peacock.

They’d never do it but if building storylines to drive viewers to peacock is the issue Fox is having, maybe that’s the solution to generate for traffic and app sign ups.
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Old 08-08-2021, 02:35 AM   #3
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I dont think there is any way you will make both Fox and NBC happy. Unless they had dollar for dollar pricing and exactly equal amounts of content which obviously isn't in the cards. Or if they truly split the rosters again and go to alternating PPVs between Peacock and Tubi so each network has their own unique offering with maybe 2 crossover shows a year, one to be aired on each network.

I can see why Fox is upset with the deal and you don't hear the same rumbling from NBC. NBC gets more content for less money and has the streaming stuff on top of it. NBC clearly has the better deal here. And considering the WWEs downward trend continuing they will be in a much better position to negotiate a new deal when this one ends, and Fox being upset only strengthens that position too. Fox knows they got the super short end of the stick here and they cant hide their displeasure any more.

Imo it would be in WWEs best interests right now to give Fox SOMETHING. I don't know what it is, but you gotta toss them a bone to make them happy. Maybe start by trying to not cross promote the stuff on NBC during Fox broadcasts because that clearly irks them. Let's be real, WWE doesn't really need to cross promote and advertise on the different shows. They aren't gaining any viewers doing that at this point. The audience is there and they either knows whats going on on each show or don't care enough to know, but either way they don't need the reminding. They'll watch it regardless. That by itself won't be enough to placate FOX though. Think WWE should maybe do a few "supershows" and give Fox the rights to broadcast them and give them some kind of timed exclusivity to stream them, maybe 6 months or a year or something. The only exception would be for WWEs YT channel for a few clips. I dunno what they can do short term other than that really.
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Old 08-08-2021, 02:44 AM   #4
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And similar to your idea Damian, I think they could possibly think about going back to brand exclusive shows and streaming them on that networks streaming service, but ONLY for PPVs. Basically every 3 months would be RAW PPV on Peacock, SD PPV on Tubi, big PPV on both networks. However long they have exclusivity for the PPVs applies both ways, ie after a couple months tubi could air the last RAW PPV or something too. But like I said I would only do this in regards to PPVs.

If Fox wanted to air SD on tubi as well, for instance, I'd let them but with the caveat that it would still be on peacock too, while RAW and NXT stay exclusive to peacock. Can't give them everything or it risks irking NBC too much.

Obviously none of this may be possible. I don't know how the streaming contracts are set up with NBC so this may all be moot.
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Old 08-08-2021, 04:03 AM   #5
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Brand exclusive “PPVs” require roster depth. Well, good ones do. That was the issue the first and second time around; the undercard was DOA. With the cuts, and the mishandling of the talent they have kept, they’d have a lot of work to do. I guess that’s predicated on the assumption that they’d want to make the shows good, and well…
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Old 08-08-2021, 04:33 AM   #6
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If they were to do the brand exclusive specials, I honestly wouldn’t make them more than 2 hours, and maybe an hour for a pre show to hype the card and give the audience a warm up match. Book 4-5 of your biggest matches, have some short segments to transition to the next match, and call a day. They don’t need to have 3 hour ppvs if they stuck with being brand exclusive.
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Old 08-08-2021, 10:53 AM   #7
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They aren't going to do brand exclusive PPV's again for the streaming networks. WWE's deal is with Peacock, they aren't going to take away from them to give to Fox and keep all the profits. This whole ordeal will heighten negotiations at the end of the TV rights deal and probably be one of the straws in breaking the camels back of WWE on Fox. Fox is not thrilled with WWE's ratings, they are below what was anticipated and what Fox paid for. WWE will do their best to leverage the best deal for Smackdown on USA. I believe that the Fox deal was for 3 years, the Peacock deal is for 5 years.

WWE is currently preparing for this situation by tightening up their talent wage bill and when they end up taking a loss for a smaller rights deal for Smackdown on USA (once the Fox contract is up) they will still be making a huge profit, due to the massively lower wage bill. WWE has cut 119 wrestlers and a lot of staff in the past 2 years. They are adapting and trying to stay ahead of the curve.
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Old 08-08-2021, 12:02 PM   #8
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I also wonder how many of the 40+ cuts over the past year have had anything to do with the lingering pandemic and it's effects, not just on WWE but the entire wrestling industry (and yes, I, like everyone am well aware that it has affected way more than just that).
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Old 08-08-2021, 12:44 PM   #9
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It's important to remember that the past year was WWE's most successful year ever financially. I think what the pandemic really has hurt is future plans. NXT has been aiming for huge international expansion but now with covid those plans aren't as secure to take a leap on. With those international expansion's quelled now Vince has gone to development and seen that Triple H has tried to make NXT far more of brand than Vince ever wanted. It would cost a lot of money to expand NXT and push it the way Triple H wanted to.

I see WWE raiding NXT of it's top stars that they see potential in for the main roster and letting the show continue through it's current contract where it may get canceled or severely reduced when it comes to payment for the next tv rights deal. And then perhaps WWE can chose to tac on a bigger charge to Peacock for exclusive rights or figure out another option entirely. Either way I think based on what I've read recently that NXT as a pushed brand is pretty much done.
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Old 08-08-2021, 01:51 PM   #10
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Old 08-08-2021, 01:55 PM   #11
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Old 08-08-2021, 02:05 PM   #12
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Old 08-08-2021, 02:27 PM   #13
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Meltzer reporting Vince/Nick Khan's new mantra is 'no more midgets' and 'no one over 30' for NXT.

Now that 'no more midgets' is the mantra I really want them to bring up Gargano and give him a comedy gimmick and put him in the 24/7 scene entirely for the online meltdowns
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Meltzer reporting Vince/Nick Khan's new mantra is 'no more midgets' and 'no one over 30' for NXT.

Now that 'no more midgets' is the mantra I really want them to bring up Gargano and give him a comedy gimmick and put him in the 24/7 scene entirely for the online meltdowns
so is rockstar spud still there,
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Yeah, he's still there.

Rumor going around is that HHH got his ass handed to him by Vince in front of Pritchard and Nick Khan for making a new generation of Jimmy Harts instead of a new generation of Dwayne Johnsons. Vince, Pritchard and John Laurinaitis are the ones deciding whose cut and Vince/Pritchard/Laurinaitis will also spearhead the revamp and new direction of NXT.
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Yeah, he's still there.

Rumor going around is that HHH got his ass handed to him by Vince in front of Pritchard and Nick Khan for making a new generation of Jimmy Harts instead of a new generation of Dwayne Johnsons. Vince, Pritchard and John Laurinaitis are the ones deciding whose cut and Vince/Pritchard/Laurinaitis will also spearhead the revamp and new direction of NXT.
I dont know how they could possibly blame Triple H when there is like 25 examples of guys that were super over when called up, and it was Vince and company who dropped the ball.
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Old 08-08-2021, 03:35 PM   #17
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Meltzer said there will be some exceptions to the rule of no shorties and no one over 30, as Vince does like Adam Cole, but they will be the rarity going forward.

Rovert noted on Twitter Vince wants to call up a ton of women to RAW.
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I mean, I disagree with nearly everything WWE does but trying to get more wrestlers who look like grown men that could kick someone’s ass in a fight and fewer cruiserweights is a very good idea.
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I mean, I disagree with nearly everything WWE does but trying get more wrestlers who look like grown men that could kick someone’s ass in a fight and fewer cruiserweights is a very good idea.
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I mean, I disagree with nearly everything WWE does but trying to get more wrestlers who look like grown men that could kick someone’s ass in a fight and fewer cruiserweights is a very good idea.
The biggest problem there, though, is that WWE themselves created this problem to begin with by codifying this. Trying to populate the entire roster with bodybuilders and swimsuit magazine models with a tertiary emphasis on getting them to work well in the ring or on the mic (or both) is a stupid way to approach the endeavor, coupled with consistently telling people through words and deeds that anyone they consider "small" is worthless (and even that is relative - some of the guys who are considered GOAT historically aren't really people who strictly pass that eye test).

Then, they'll do shit like have a guy the size of Braun Strowman and try to make him work like he's Ricochet. Or not realize the reason why there was so much groaning and eye rolling at the rehire of Eva Marie was because nearly every match she had, she nearly Droz'd her opponent, herself, or both, but she was getting fast tracked to rule the Divas Division because she's "pretty" and was a bitch on an auxillary reality show that most wrestling fans weren't watching and that was supposed to be a 1:1 translation on her being the hottest female heel WWE had ever seen. It didn't.

Instead of looking at the issue of start-stop pushes and not properly building or presenting guys (colloquial - men and women) in ways that will eventually work them up the card, they do shit like bank all their money on a handful of talent (look how long it took for them to finally get Roman in the position they wanted him in from day one) and let everyone else languish. They script bullshit and write dumbass tripe angles and sometimes try super hard with the shittiest gimmicks possible neverminding what it might do detrimentally to th
folks on the roster saddled with this shit. They panic and call people back who were over 10 years plus ago; often at the detriment of people they could be focusing on now. And if anyone outside of their pet projects fail, it's their own fault for not being backed by the machine that quite honestly likely promised them the moon and then cuts them a month later.

But no... they failed because they're not 6'6 and 285lbs of weightlifter muscle. If only they willed themselves to grow taller, they might make it in the business.

There was more to this, but I don't have time to write it now, and I know I'm going to lose the tangent I was on if I try to come back to it later. Point is, there's too much stock put into this "midgets" mentality or the "needs to look like a star walking through the airport"... and by "star" they actually mean giant and jacked up. If the machine got behind some of these folks like they got behind others, there's no way the world wouldn't know who Shinsuke Nakamura was at this point if they treated him more like a guy who has the intangible charisma he has and less like generic foreign guy #582. There are plenty of others who could have been or currently be stars if the company would allow them to be stars instead of stunting them because THEY don't believe they are stars.
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If they are aiming for the OVW days of Lesnar/Cena/Orton/Batista being top developmental products that is wise IMO.

I think Vince also changes his mind A LOT these days so I half expect him to abandon this idea in a few months.
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Focusing on body guys is all well and good but then I see what this company is doing with Donovan Dijak since he got on the main roster and I remember that this company hasn’t got a clue.
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Right. They don’t have a clue regardless of body type though. I’m just looking for a glimmer of hope in them focusing on the proper talent. We’re at the point now where MY negative ass is the optimist.
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I know he's the most insanely interesting character in wrestling history but honestly I can't wait for Vince to die so that the company may actually change and get good again. Then we can get some good books or doc's about his life. There is no way he's gonna be able to be honest about anything via writing a book or in a doc. No f'n way.
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And for the record Triple H definitely showed that he could build a nationally touring brand from nothing. Sure with the help of the hottest indy stars of the time, but still he made it happen and it was something that Vince never would have done. Triple H hasn't failed with NXT, Vince got his hands on it and either by shitting on the NXT stars pushed to the main roster or Kevin Dunn... IDK what the exact cause is but Vince ruined NXT.
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Ideally they would focus on Johnny Curtises who look like, wrestle like and have the charisma of Johnny Curtises.

But fuck another boom. They got a library to make money off of.
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I don’t know if you’re just randomly referencing their NXT feud or if you’re implying EC3 is on Johnny Curtis’ level?

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I don’t know if you’re just randomly referencing their NXT feud or if you’re implying EC3 is on Johnny Curtis’ level?

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The sick fucks at WWE tried to keep the trademark for Chelsea Green's real name after they released her, but then she tweeted about it and WWE started getting internet backlash, so they now are going to back off and let her have the trademark to her real birth name, according to Fightful
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The sick fucks at WWE tried to keep the trademark for Chelsea Green's real name after they released her, but then she tweeted about it and WWE started getting internet backlash, so they now are going to back off and let her have the trademark to her real birth name, according to Fightful
LOL! I always wondered when wrestlers legally changed their names (Warrior, Ryback) to get around trademarks, if WWE would ever try it the other way around. Looks like we now have the answer
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idk if it's true but there were rumors that Keith Lee got "heat" with WWE because he was battling them over the trademark of his real name also
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idk if it's true but there were rumors that Keith Lee got "heat" with WWE because he was battling them over the trademark of his real name also
It's incredibly difficult to trademark a legal name for a person that has any kind of past activities doing something similar. This is because federal (and individual state) trademark protections apply only to using the trademarked name with each particular set of goods or services, (i.e., athletic performances, theatrical performances, clothing/apparel, film/tv appearances, etc.) If a wrestler is using their name in multiple, or one or more, states, for one or more goods or services, it's incredibly unlikely that a federal USPTO trademark application will be approved for those same goods/services, especially if they're no longer employed or affiliated with the applying entity, in this case WWE.
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It's incredibly difficult to trademark a legal name for a person that has any kind of past activities doing something similar. This is because federal (and individual state) trademark protections apply only to using the trademarked name with each particular set of goods or services, (i.e., athletic performances, theatrical performances, clothing/apparel, film/tv appearances, etc.) If a wrestler is using their name in multiple, or one or more, states, for one or more goods or services, it's incredibly unlikely that a federal USPTO trademark application will be approved for those same goods/services, especially if they're no longer employed or affiliated with the applying entity, in this case WWE.
With Keith Lee, I heard they are trying to get him to give them written consent, but he won't do it and is trying to trademark his name on his own
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With Keith Lee, I heard they are trying to get him to give them written consent, but he won't do it and is trying to trademark his name on his own
Yeah, without his written authorization, it's very unlikely they'd be able to successfully register the trademark of his own name with the USPTO for any of the classes of goods/services (clothing, merch, live entertainment performances, media appearances and performances, etc.) especially if he'd been using his own name prior in selling/marketing/performing for any of those same classes of goods/services.
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