Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - Page 6

**Requiem** · 09-09-2011, 01:40 PM

I will say this; I feel the -target audience- of these games' multiplayer feature are the types of players who play this game for skill and competition. They are the majority, and I feel the game designers realize this. These are the people who discuss their games the loudest, and have the biggest opinion on them. These players flood forums with opinions, and companies depend on them to sell games. There is a SERIOUS skill-gap between those players, and casual players in-game. They create them with this 'majority' in mind, and they half-assedly try to throw in some things to appeal to casual players WITHOUT thinking of their majority.

So with the target audience in mind, I feel that is why a weapon such as a tube, is unfair and -gamebreaking-. Because it kills the game for the target audience. It kills the flow. It creates unintended rifts between the different 'castes' of players the game was intended for.

I mean, it earned the name noobtube. You don't see people calling it the skilltube. There's obviously reasons people act derogatory toward the weapon. I really doubt it was the intention of the developers for this weapon to end up being used like it is.

And again - it's gamebreaking when it leads someone to leave a game. Not just when a game is 'unplayable' due to glitches. But when a feature is used in an unintended way and causes someone to stop playing. When a single erroneously created weapon can lead people to talk THIS much shit on a game, that's gamebreaking.

**RoXer** · 09-09-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallen Angel

I think Blitz and myself can agree on this.

We are two different types of gamers, I play to test skill so I view these things as gamebreaking as they destroy the level playing field.

Blitz is more casual player who sees it as an annoyance which ruins a good time.

I don't even think that is agreeable

**Kalyx triaD** · 09-09-2011, 02:41 PM

Noobtoob is not gamebreaking, just super-annoying. Infinite Care package is game breaking.

**#BROKEN Hasney** · 09-09-2011, 02:51 PM

You have to be joking about the hardcore being the majority. Have you spoken to the average wanker on these games? It's the biggest game series in the world right now, of course the majority is the casual player and there is nothing wrong with that.

The reason that the hardcore are the most vocal is because they are the hardcore, they've come online to discuss the game which is how they get to coin the phrase, probably spazz out about something while the majority are just chillin and having fun (not that you'd notice, they're probably calling you a gay fag nigger that gargles your mothers cum, or something).

**Requiem** · 09-09-2011, 03:00 PM

Nah, i described a certain type of player, who plays these games in a competitive manner (ie; to win, not just sit there and play a game because it's a game) and enjoys a skill-based game. Players who play the games to get better at them because they enjoy shooters specifically, and CoD/BF appeal directly to. I wouldn't classify myself as 'hardcore'. That means a totally different thing to me. I would say I'm a part of a majority though, because I experience a LOT of people JUST LIKE ME in these games. There are more casual players than me, and there are more hardcore players than me. But the vast majority, tend to be people who play them semi-seriously and really enjoy the competitive nature created by these games. Those are the people I see this style of game appealing DIRECTLY to. I know it's the most popular series at the moment, but how many of those sales ACTUALLY went online? That's why I say there is a serious skill-gap between a lot of players. If you're a casual player and you go online, odds are you're going to hate it, because everyone is better than you. Because the people that play all the time are who the game is meant to appeal to.

Hardcore players, live and breath games like this. That's not who I'm talking about. Alright, perhaps the forum-warriors are hardcore, and those aren't a majority. But as far as the type of people like myself who play these games for the reasons I mentioned, I feel they are DEFINITELY the majority.

**Kalyx triaD** · 09-09-2011, 03:01 PM

All CoD players are casual players.

**Requiem** · 09-09-2011, 03:05 PM

Also, it's simple logic that says that casual gamers are not going to make up the majority of online players. Because they're -casual- gamers. They're not online all the time. The people who are on all the time are the people that play a few hours a day (and I wouldn't call them hardcore), and their friends play a few hours a day, etc. Still wouldn't consider them hardcore. I'd just consider them -gamers-.

TPWW had what I would consider a few people who were pretty competitive with the CoD series. I had a list of people I played with regularly on my friend's list, and several RL friends who played regularly. To those types of people, I don't know a single one who would agree that the tube deserved to be in the game. And those are who the game's core mechanics were designed for, IMO.

**Requiem** · 09-09-2011, 03:08 PM

I mean, the game's core mechanics are designed around coordination, precision, and staying alive to get killstreaks. The goal is to complete objectives before the other team does. They have a leveling system with challenges for very specific things, and stat tracking so you can compare to other people. It breeds competition.

To me, that says a very specific audience they had in mind when creating it. A 'casual' player will likely never be good at much of that. They might keep playing it for whatever reason, but the game rewards people who ARE good at its core mechanics. So who else is it designed for, but the people who focus on that type of competitive gameplay?

**Requiem** · 09-09-2011, 03:12 PM

I see it as, they pay to keep servers up 24/7 because there are very specific people who will play this game long-term. Regular players who will be the FIRST to buy new content when it comes out, and will tell their friends to buy it, and even tell their CASUAL player friends to buy it.

Any feature which angers that portion of your playerbase, is counterproductive.

**Kalyx triaD** · 09-09-2011, 03:15 PM

Like lvl3 xf Dark Phoenix?

**Requiem** · 09-09-2011, 03:23 PM

Ok, after thinking about this, perhaps majority isn't the right term in some cases. I still feel that in CoD style games, competitive players probably put in 10x more hours in the games than all the casual players combined. Money-makers, however, is a more productive term.

ie; I play TF2 several times a day. I probably put in anywhere from 1-5 hours on any given day. I wouldn't consider myself hardcore. Just a gamer. But I'd say I'm definitely the audience Valve is trying to appeal to. MOST companies try and appeal to this audience. There are much smaller groups of people that play a lot more than me, and people who play a lot less. But I'm the group of players who periodically buys items, and spends money here and there on content. Tells their friends about the game, and how cool X new item is. With such a large group of players making up that category, those are the players who make them the most money. Those are the people who will complain the loudest about broken things.

Now, I'm sure with the addition of f2p, Valve has seen an influx of casual players. They may even be a 'majority'. However, THOSE are not the people who make them money.

The middle-group of players like myself, are the ones who will make a company money. We buy the content first, and convince other people to as well.

**El Fangel** · 09-09-2011, 03:29 PM

I wouldn't say we are the majority anymore Req, we were what the series built on but now its about the fact anyone can pick up and play the game.

We agree there are many things used by the less skilled players that upset the balance of the gamebecause its far easier to get kills with a tube then to precisely aim and get a kill.

People who exploit glitches I will never understand. Either they do it to piss people off or they do it for the stats to make themselves appear skilled.

Many times after the care package glitch I saw players who had consistently negative k/d ratios but their combat record show a ratio of 2.5/1 or higher. Its blatantly obvious a player cheated before if they have a lifetime k/d that high but cannot sustain it once a glitch gets fixed.

**Blitz** · 09-09-2011, 06:54 PM

Look, obviously I play to win the game as well. There's no point in playing a game if you're not trying to. Of course it's no fun if you're constantly losing. I just don't get mad if I lose because someone is glitching or "being cheap", because there's really nothing at stake other than some virtual stats. And I know if it's a glitch, it'll get patched. If it's part of the game, it's part of the game. I encounter far more people who don't tube than those who do, even back in MW2.

Tubes take a very specific setup to be that annoying. A setup which is gone from Black Ops, and Robert Bowling has gone on record saying that tubes in MW3 are going to be severely nerfed (knife lunging too, for that matter). But I'm sure glitches will happen, and some new weapon or perk setup will be found to be broken. And the circle of life will continue.

**El Fangel** · 09-09-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz

Look, obviously I play to win the game as well. There's no point in playing a game if you're not trying to. Of course it's no fun if you're constantly losing. I just don't get mad if I lose because someone is glitching or "being cheap", because there's really nothing at stake other than some virtual stats. And I know if it's a glitch, it'll get patched. If it's part of the game, it's part of the game. I encounter far more people who don't tube than those who do, even back in MW2.

Tubes take a very specific setup to be that annoying. A setup which is gone from Black Ops, and Robert Bowling has gone on record saying that tubes in MW3 are going to be severely nerfed (knife lunging too, for that matter). But I'm sure glitches will happen, and some new weapon or perk setup will be found to be broken. And the circle of life will continue.

See that's where I think Req and myself lose you Blitz, We I guess take pride in the fact we are good at this game. The leaderboards were a mess as most of the top 100 were hacked.

No nothing is at stake beyond stats, but hear me out. F you take away the meaning of a win, of a good k/d ratio or stats you gained by taking the time practice and being skillfull and equate it evenly with someone who used exploits to appear the same. Give me a reason to continue playing.

is a 4.0 k/d radio impressive? Well yeah.
is it still impressive if you used glitches to attain it? No, most would say no.

So having said yourself, the only thing you are playing for is stats and when that's gone there really isn't a good reason to play.

Ill give an example on something, Medal of Honor for PS1. I spent hours playing and perfecting my game. To this day none of my friends have been able to beat me in back t back games. However if they cheated to do so it would be meaningless to brag about a you didn't earn the win or any respect.

As for the tubes, thank fuck. Tubes would be fine if the blast radius was lessened.

I'm going into this without an opinion, I just hope nothing stupid like what happens in ME2 takes place.

**The Jayman** · 09-10-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

If a tube was legit difficult to use, and was less powerful, I would not have near as big a problem with it.. ala black ops, it was never an issue. Barely ever saw anyone use a tube, and when they did it was normally just for a quick attempt at clearing something out or getting someone away from something. It didn't have near the explosive radius, and it couldn't be refilled. That alone caused people to stop using it and abusing it like they did in MW2. Further proof that MW2 handled it completely wrong.

Also due to the fact that the flak jacket perk made the tube meaningless as well as claymores, grenades, launchers, and napalm fire (with pro version)

G · 09-10-2011, 03:04 PM

preordered the hardened for both ps3 and 360. we'll see which one i get.

**El Fangel** · 09-10-2011, 03:19 PM

PC version.

**LoDownM** · 09-10-2011, 03:32 PM

You are getting the PC version FA? Can't wait to see you bitch about "all the cheaters on the pc version"

**El Fangel** · 09-10-2011, 03:39 PM

Way to jump to conclusion.

I was referring to G's post so kindly get off my ass.

**JERRY** · 09-12-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by G

preordered the hardened for both ps3 and 360. we'll see which one i get.

HARDENED

**Blitz** · 09-12-2011, 11:10 PM

Anyways, getting this thread back on track, here's a bunch of news and tidbits.

Twitter roundup from Robert Bowling regarding a whole bunch of stuff, including the Prestige Shop:

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Despite concerns based on what people have seen and played, the knife is different. There is no lunge and the Commando Perk is no more.
There is an "improved" Theater mode.
The Prestige Shop can be used to carry something (like a weapon) over with you at the start of the next Prestige level.
There isn't a Combat Training mode, instead the Spec Ops Survival mode will act in the same way by introducing players to multiplayer mechanics.
There is an in-game report player function that will be moderated to punish and ban players whom are breaking the rules.
Challenges will be updated daily and weekly.
@ETPC1 - fyi you stand on the brink of winning a good chunk of the pc audience back if you keep going down this path. don't mess it up!

402 - I've been working on that goal for a long time. Dedicated Servers, Public Server Files, & giving control back to the player. #MW3 PC

@RobUK84 - @FearCrads your joking! @fourzerotwo said knifin system will be different. is it still as fast n kills in one hit ? right thumbstick ftw

402 - It is different, no lunge and removed commando as a perk. I've always said, one-hit knife is essential to Modern Warfare

@Locster60 - Will MW3 have zombies?

402 - No zombies in #MW3 although we do have a very different style of co-op in our new infinite wave based Spec Ops Survival mode.

@xiStealth - apparently theres a killstreak called ballistic vests that gives your team 20% more health?

402 - It's a vest that comes in a care package that you can throw out for a teammate to put on. Great to support guy going for the cap.

@xiStealth - Sounds like its [Ballistic Vest] similar to juggernaut. :/

402 - Not really. It just gives a little more resistance to explosives and rounds coming in to hopefully give you that extra sec to cap

@jamie1051 - Hey Robert, I am colour Blind. Can you tell me how MW3 Helps this with the New Option.

402 - Yes it does, we have a color blind assist mode in #MW3

@rizzlyBeardz - With the Reaper, do you control all five predator missiles? Or is it like the AC-130, where you guide the shots from the air?

402 - You're guiding the shot from the air.

@Demonify - What exactly does reset all stats do?

402 - Takes you back to rank 1 so you can do everything all over again. It was a major request by our max rank max prestigers.

@jamie1051 - Thanks for replying But what i was asking is what does the Color Blind mode do to help me out?

402 - It changes all green / red indicators to orange / blue.

@AiMx_Joker - I seen that the level cap in MW3 is 80 now. Is it going to be easier or take up less time to level up?

402 - The curve is different and less of a grind at the end than it was in MW2

@Singhx73 - will there be any disadvantage for using a grenade launcher?

402 - Yes, it's fairly weak and doesn't get much ammo. Not useful as a main weapon.

@IrishGamer92 - Is there an improved theatre mode for #mw3? watching the video of u saying there is no 1 man army, last stand etc made me smile

402 - Yes. We've included and improved on theater mode for #MW3

@bmeservey - gear for prestige shop, do you get to pick extra weapons to start with next go around? Can you earn more than one proficiency?

402 - Yeah, you choose something to carry over with you at the start of your next prestige. Only 1 proficiency per weapon at a time.

@Jarsh019 - How is the little robot moving turret going to be balanced?

402 - It can easily be taken out by EMP, shooting it, frags and moves slow.

@ViB3Z_KiNG - what is the prestige shop?

402 - It's a shop that unlocks after 1st prestige where you can use prestige points earned by prestiging to unlock useful features.

@Mossypne - If i buy Elite seperate to The Hardened edition do i still get all the dlc people who get the Hardened edition will?

402 - Yes. Elite subscribers get all DLC free regardless of when and how they subscribe.

@theoneninefive - so killstreaks kills counts toward to your other kill streaks? ex. 2 kills from Predator missle earns you attack helicopter.

402 - Only in the assault strike package, not in the Support or Specialist strike packages.

@DannyTowes - I know you read everyone so will headquarters be on multiplayer?

402 - Yes, Headquarters is still in #MW3

@The_gibbymanx - if you take a teammates tag in kill confirmed, who get's the kill? as people would follow good players round stealing tags

402 - Whoever put the enemy down gets the kill and both players get the XP for the tags.

@JanBasilio - from the trailers it seems the noobtubes are still pretty powerful are you still tweaking it?

402 - They're not very powerful and have been nerfed considerably along with all other explosives. Plus, more counters to them in game

@Ashhhlol - [Difference between Assault and Recon Juggernaut?]

402 - Assault Juggernaut is all about brute force (has LMG + Scavenger) Recon Juggernaut is defense (has riot shield + portable radar).

@krazybakers - Question - Is combat training still in MW3? & if so is there any improvments in it what so ever?

402 - No Combat Training, we use Spec Ops Survival for the same purpose (to intro into MP mechanics) in our own way.

@Elliotchatts - what's the new unique way of leveling up ?

402 - Combination of character progression unlocks and individual weapon progression unlocks. Now that you can rank up each weapon.

@Bobthadestroyer - I was curious will #Mw3 have a Report cheaters/Boosters function in game like #Blackops? will you guys be Banning them for it?

402 - yes and yes. We have an in-game report player function and will be moderating those reports to ban players.

@skar Oskar - how will the weapon and attachments unlocking go? Just like MW2 (grinding)? Or more like BlackOps (buying attachments)?

402 - Weapons unlock as your player progresses, similar to MW2, however attachments unlock per weapon as you rank up that weapon.

@shilalydawg - Are the streaks stackable?

402 - Yes, Pointstreaks stack and you can scroll through which to call in first using the D-pad.

@marshallavfc - I am confused with how the new killstreaks work, how are points streaks worked out

402 - You get points for objectives, every 2 assists (w/ Hardline Pro), and kills of course.

@ChaseAceRaceM - great, and just to confirm,if you get 8 kills with the specialist strike package you get every perk In the game? #awesome!

402 - Yes but you can choose to disable some so they never unlock (in case it has an adverse affect on what you're going for).

@ZacField2 - Will there be a deathstreak-less Playlist? and if not, will you ever consider adding one?

402 - You can create your own playlists in Private & restrict whatever you want. I'm also pushing for a specialty playlist with no DS.

@Mw3__ Mike - I just got a nuke using c4 and a riot shield. You've gotta put challenges in #mw3 for crazy stuff like that hahah

402 - We're introducing new challenges all the time in the game now, with daily and weekly challenges. So the possibility is there!

@DestructiveBns - To unlock camos do need a certain number of headshots? Please no that's only making people want to boost

402 - No Camos are unlocked normally by ranking up the weapon.

@CprlRst - what anti cheat will pc be running?

402 - We're using Steamworks, which includes VAC, but have also done a lot of security work on the back end to address cheating.

[General questions on competitive side]

402 - Lots of competitive questions from #XP2011. Yes, #MW3 has LAN along with detailed class restriction control + default class creation option.

@MickeyG2k14 - How do you unlock attachments in MW3? It wasn't clear at XP. Please reply. Thank you!

402 - Every weapon can be leveled up individually and when you do that, you unlock attachments, camos, proficiencies, reticles for it

Info on Multiplayer game types

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At the Multiplayer reveal we found out that all the fan favourite gametypes will be returning such as Team Deathmatch, Free For All and Domination along with a few all new gametypes which we will explain in this article.

Kill Confirmed is an all new gametype which will see players killing enemies and then having to run over them to pick up a set of dogtags to confirm the kill and score the points for your team. While you are doing this, the enemy team will try to collect the dogtags first to prevent you from confirming the kill.

Team Defender is the other new game mode to be included in Public Playlists straight from launch. In this mode players will grab a flag a la Capture the Flag style and then protect the flag carrier in order to gain points for their team.

In addition to those two new modes, a variety of modes exclusive to Private Matches have been introduced.

Infection sees one player starting out as the Infected and killing the other players until no one is left. When you are killed you join the Infected team to help hunt down the survivors.

Drop Zone sees one team holding a Drop Zone from the other team in order to secure Team Points and Care Packages for their team.

Team Juggernaut sees a Juggernaut join your team and, with his help, you must kill all the enemy team, who also have a Juggernaut. First to reach the score limit wins.

Juggernaut sees you trying to kill the Juggernaut so that you can become the new Juggernaut and then you have to survive against the other players trying to kill you.

Gun Game sees the players in a race to see who can be the first to dominate with every gun.

One in the Chamber sees you gaining Ammo by killing enemy players. The last to be alive wins.

Private Matches have also been enhanced, allowing players to create even more Gametypes than the ones listed above, and then share them with their friends.

In addition to this, players who are subscribed to Call of Duty: Elite will be able to vote on these player created modes and some of these could make it into Public Playlists.

A bit about the Prestige Shop

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So what is the Modern Warfare 3 Prestige Shop?

Modern Warfare 3 multiplayer was revealed during the opening briefing of Call of Duty XP. Along with the lots of details that were revealed, something called Prestige Shop was briefly mentioned. While they haven't dived into specifics just yet, the Prestige Shop has quietly and quickly appeared in a recent video.

iMW3 � have uploaded a screen print of the Prestige Shop menu that appeared in the video. Although it's blurry, we can just about make out the options that are listed in the shop menu.

Extra Custom Class
Reset All Stats
Double XP
Double Weapon XP
Unlock Gear
Challenges 1
Challenges 2
Challenges 3
Title And Emblem 1
Title And Emblem 2
Title And Emblem 3
This will most likely be welcomed by hardcore fans who go all the way by Prestiging up until the very end. The game's maximum level is 80 but how many Prestiges there are is currently unknown. It appears that each Prestige will give you tokens that can be used to 'buy' whatever you want from the list above.

Yeah.

**Kalyx triaD** · 09-12-2011, 11:39 PM

Some good stuff in there.

**El Fangel** · 09-13-2011, 12:02 AM

Yeah, seems to be pretty good.

**El Fangel** · 09-13-2011, 12:03 AM

Though I am going to say it now, I can see people sitting in corners and boosting up that perk killstreak thing by killing friends aways before they start playing.

**Kalyx triaD** · 09-13-2011, 01:24 AM

Assholes are inevitable, can't fault a developer for them.

**D Mac** · 09-13-2011, 01:54 AM

It would make sense to start with the Double XP when you prestige. Or do you lose them when you prestige again?

**Emperor Smeat** · 09-21-2011, 04:40 PM

PC version on Steam will come with Modern Warfare 1 for free if MW 3 is pre-ordered. If you already own MW 1 on PC then the game can still be gifted to someone else as an option with the pre-order.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/g1lu...eive-cod4-free

**Emperor Smeat** · 09-27-2011, 07:22 PM

Achievement list for the Xbox 360 version was leaked with the biggest surprises being more achievements focused on the campaign (1 just for starting a new campaign). Also leaked was the lack of online multiplayer achievements done in an attempt to combat boosting and cheating from previous games.

SPOILER: show

http://www.screwattack.com/news/spoi...nt-list-leaked

**Kalyx triaD** · 10-20-2011, 12:53 PM

**RoXer** · 10-20-2011, 01:01 PM

one big clusterfuck

**Kalyx triaD** · 10-20-2011, 01:42 PM

Probably the most focused I ever seen CoD gameplay.

**Requiem** · 10-20-2011, 01:47 PM

Why is that

**Kalyx triaD** · 10-20-2011, 02:05 PM

It takes the K/D-centric system of past CoD's (with the infamous Nuke killstreak that rewarded that mentality - even during objective games) and spreads it out for more people of different playstyles. Splitting the CoD make-up into three main trees that (I assume) will further splinter into various customized playstyles (guns, perks, actual streak rewards).

Then by making certain abilities exclusive to their branch, it also adds a sense of limitation that I feel is required for team games to work. You choose a role suited to you and play your position, adjusting it at your leisure. It's not so much a fiesta of perks and killstreaks anymore, which was just unattractive to me. I couldn't even be arsed to play BlackOps past 2 weeks and that was an improvement over MW2. Now I may play for at least 2 months.

**D Mac** · 10-20-2011, 03:19 PM

Looks pretty good to me.

**El Fangel** · 10-20-2011, 05:04 PM

I pre-ordered it incase I want to pick it up on launch. Still unsure.

Also, Kalyx you are assuming people who play this game have a clue about tactics, team play or any idea of strategy.

Silly you.

**Kalyx triaD** · 10-20-2011, 05:12 PM

Well damn... you play this game. And I wouldn't set out without a set party anyway, and my boys are on point as far teamwork goes - that's any game. In any case I'll play B3 more often anyway.

**Captain of Fun** · 10-20-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallen Angel

I pre-ordered it incase I want to pick it up on launch. Still unsure.

Also, Kalyx you are assuming people who play this game have a clue about tactics, team play or any idea of strategy.

Silly you.

Me and and Roxer would win games for our useless team, through our teamwork alone, at times. When there were a couple more people playing on the same page as us, we almost always won.

MW is like any shooter. You go in with randoms and yeah, 9 times out of ten you won't get great teamwork. Grab some buds and play with them if it's that big a deal to you.

**D Mac** · 10-21-2011, 01:10 AM

I'm a Mercenary for hire and play Mercenary.

**D Mac** · 11-01-2011, 01:00 AM

Officially midnight here, so officially 1 week to go!

**El Fangel** · 11-01-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain of Fun

Me and and Roxer would win games for our useless team, through our teamwork alone, at times. When there were a couple more people playing on the same page as us, we almost always won.

MW is like any shooter. You go in with randoms and yeah, 9 times out of ten you won't get great teamwork. Grab some buds and play with them if it's that big a deal to you.

Yeah, I know. I played BlOps with Roxer, Requiem and his friend Biff. Fuck shit up when we played together too.

My problem and what I was referring to, is how so very rarely anyone I randomly play with has any idea how to be tactical.

More often then not, its just run and shoot and that's it. Chances are it comes down to game breaking players, ones that can lead their team to victory when outmatched. I can be that player at times but not always.

Lastly, you don't always have a group to play with either.

09-09-2011, 01:40 PM	#201
Requiem Posts: 19,298	I will say this; I feel the -target audience- of these games' multiplayer feature are the types of players who play this game for skill and competition. They are the majority, and I feel the game designers realize this. These are the people who discuss their games the loudest, and have the biggest opinion on them. These players flood forums with opinions, and companies depend on them to sell games. There is a SERIOUS skill-gap between those players, and casual players in-game. They create them with this 'majority' in mind, and they half-assedly try to throw in some things to appeal to casual players WITHOUT thinking of their majority. So with the target audience in mind, I feel that is why a weapon such as a tube, is unfair and -gamebreaking-. Because it kills the game for the target audience. It kills the flow. It creates unintended rifts between the different 'castes' of players the game was intended for. I mean, it earned the name noobtube. You don't see people calling it the skilltube. There's obviously reasons people act derogatory toward the weapon. I really doubt it was the intention of the developers for this weapon to end up being used like it is. And again - it's gamebreaking when it leads someone to leave a game. Not just when a game is 'unplayable' due to glitches. But when a feature is used in an unintended way and causes someone to stop playing. When a single erroneously created weapon can lead people to talk THIS much shit on a game, that's gamebreaking. Last edited by Requiem; 09-09-2011 at 02:34 PM.

09-27-2011, 07:22 PM	#228
Emperor Smeat Former TPWW Royalty Posts: 66,648	Achievement list for the Xbox 360 version was leaked with the biggest surprises being more achievements focused on the campaign (1 just for starting a new campaign). Also leaked was the lack of online multiplayer achievements done in an attempt to combat boosting and cheating from previous games. SPOILER: show Back in the Fight - 5G: Start the Single Player Campaign on any difficulty. Too Big to Fail - 10G: Destroy the Jamming Tower. Complete "Black Tuesday" on any difficulty. Wet Work - 10G: Take back New York Harbor. Complete "Hunter Killer" on any difficulty. Carpe Diem- 10G: Escape the mountain safe house. Complete "Persona Non Grata" on any difficulty. Frequent Flyer - 10G: Defend the Russian President. Complete "Turbulence" on any difficulty. Up to No Good - 10G: Infiltrate the village. Complete "Back on the Grid" on any difficulty. One Way Ticket - 10G: Make it to Westminster. Complete "Mind the Gap" on any difficulty. Welcome to WW3 - 10G: Save the US Vice President. Complete "Goalpost" on any difficulty. Sandstorm! - 10G: Assault the shipping company. Complete "Return to Sender" on any difficulty. Back Seat Driver - 10G: Track down Volk. Complete "Bag and Drag" on any difficulty. We'll Always Have Paris - 10G: Escape Paris with Volk. Complete "Iron Lady" on any difficulty. Vive la R�volution! - 10G: Reach the church. Complete "Eye of the Storm" on any difficulty. Requiem - 10G: Escape the city. Complete "Blood Brothers" on any difficulty. Storm the Castle - 10G: Discover Makarov's next move. Complete "Stronghold" on any difficulty. Bad First Date - 10G: Find the girl. Complete "Scorched Earth" on any difficulty. Diamond in the Rough - 10G: Rescue the Russian President. Complete "Down the Rabbit Hole" on any difficulty. The Big Apple - 25G: Complete "Black Tuesday" and "Hunter Killer" on Veteran difficulty. Out of the Frying Pan... - 25G: Complete "Persona Non Grata", "Turbulence", and "Back on the Grid" on Veteran difficulty. Payback - 25G: Complete "Mind the Gap", "Goalpost", and "Return to Sender" on Veteran difficulty. City of Lights - 25G: Complete "Bag and Drag" and "Iron Lady" on Veteran difficulty. The Darkest Hour - 25G: Complete "Eye of the Storm", "Blood Brothers", and "Stronghold" on Veteran difficulty. This is the End - 25G: Complete "Scorched Earth", "Down the Rabbit Hole", and "Dust to Dust" on Veteran difficulty. Who Dares Wins - 40G: Complete the campaign on any difficulty. The Best of the Best - 100G: Complete the campaign on Hardened or Veteran difficulty. Strike! - 20G: Kill 5 enemies with a single grenade in Single Player or Special Ops. Jack the Ripper - 20G: Melee 5 enemies in a row in Single Player or Special Ops. Informant - 20G: Collect 22 Intel Items. Scout Leader - 35G: Collect 46 Intel Items. This Is My Boomstick - 20G: Kill 30 enemies with the XM25 in "Black Tuesday." What Goes Up... - 20G: Destroy all the choppers with only the UGV's grenade launcher in "Persona Non Grata." For Whom the Shell Tolls - 20G: Destroy all targets during the mortar sequence with only 4 shells in "Back on the Grid." Kill Box - 20G: Kill 20 enemies with the Chopper Gunner in a single run in "Return to Sender." Danger Close - 20G: Take down a chopper with an AC-130 smoke grenade in "Bag and Drag." M�nage � Trois - 20G: Destroy 3 tanks with a single 105mm shot in "Iron Lady.") Nein - 20G: Kill 9 enemies with A-10 strafing runs in "Scorched Earth." 50/50 - 20G: Complete a Special Ops Mission Mode game with the same number of kills as your partner. Birdie - 20G: Kill 2 enemy helicopters without getting hit in a Special Ops Survival game. Serrated Edge - 15: Finish a Juggernaut with a knife in Special Ops. Arms Dealer - 20G: Buy all items from the Survival Weapon Armory. Danger Zone - 20G: Buy all items from the Survival Air Support Armory. Defense Spending - 20G: Buy all items from the Survival Equipment Armory. Get Rich or Die Trying - 25G: Have $50,000 current balance in a Special Ops Survival game. I Live - 10G: Survive 1 wave in a Special Ops Survival game. Survivor - 20G: Reach Wave 10 in each mission of Special Ops Survival mode. Unstoppable - 40G: Reach Wave 15 in each mission of Special Ops Survival mode. No Assistance Required - 20G: Complete a Special Ops Mission Mode game on Hardened or Veteran with no player getting downed. Brag Rags - 10G: Earn 1 star in Special Ops Mission Mode. Tactician - 20G: Earn 1 star in each mission of Special Ops Mission Mode. Overachiever - 40G: Earn 48 stars in Special Ops Mission Mode. Secret Achievement - 20G: Continue playing to unlock this secret achievement. http://www.screwattack.com/news/spoi...nt-list-leaked

09-09-2011, 02:41 PM	#203
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Noobtoob is not gamebreaking, just super-annoying. Infinite Care package is game breaking.

09-09-2011, 02:51 PM	#204
#BROKEN Hasney BAY BAY Posts: 36,524	You have to be joking about the hardcore being the majority. Have you spoken to the average wanker on these games? It's the biggest game series in the world right now, of course the majority is the casual player and there is nothing wrong with that. The reason that the hardcore are the most vocal is because they are the hardcore, they've come online to discuss the game which is how they get to coin the phrase, probably spazz out about something while the majority are just chillin and having fun (not that you'd notice, they're probably calling you a gay fag nigger that gargles your mothers cum, or something).

09-09-2011, 03:00 PM	#205
Requiem Posts: 19,298	Nah, i described a certain type of player, who plays these games in a competitive manner (ie; to win, not just sit there and play a game because it's a game) and enjoys a skill-based game. Players who play the games to get better at them because they enjoy shooters specifically, and CoD/BF appeal directly to. I wouldn't classify myself as 'hardcore'. That means a totally different thing to me. I would say I'm a part of a majority though, because I experience a LOT of people JUST LIKE ME in these games. There are more casual players than me, and there are more hardcore players than me. But the vast majority, tend to be people who play them semi-seriously and really enjoy the competitive nature created by these games. Those are the people I see this style of game appealing DIRECTLY to. I know it's the most popular series at the moment, but how many of those sales ACTUALLY went online? That's why I say there is a serious skill-gap between a lot of players. If you're a casual player and you go online, odds are you're going to hate it, because everyone is better than you. Because the people that play all the time are who the game is meant to appeal to. Hardcore players, live and breath games like this. That's not who I'm talking about. Alright, perhaps the forum-warriors are hardcore, and those aren't a majority. But as far as the type of people like myself who play these games for the reasons I mentioned, I feel they are DEFINITELY the majority.

09-09-2011, 03:01 PM	#206
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	All CoD players are casual players.

09-09-2011, 03:05 PM	#207
Requiem Posts: 19,298	Also, it's simple logic that says that casual gamers are not going to make up the majority of online players. Because they're -casual- gamers. They're not online all the time. The people who are on all the time are the people that play a few hours a day (and I wouldn't call them hardcore), and their friends play a few hours a day, etc. Still wouldn't consider them hardcore. I'd just consider them -gamers-. TPWW had what I would consider a few people who were pretty competitive with the CoD series. I had a list of people I played with regularly on my friend's list, and several RL friends who played regularly. To those types of people, I don't know a single one who would agree that the tube deserved to be in the game. And those are who the game's core mechanics were designed for, IMO.

09-09-2011, 03:08 PM	#208
Requiem Posts: 19,298	I mean, the game's core mechanics are designed around coordination, precision, and staying alive to get killstreaks. The goal is to complete objectives before the other team does. They have a leveling system with challenges for very specific things, and stat tracking so you can compare to other people. It breeds competition. To me, that says a very specific audience they had in mind when creating it. A 'casual' player will likely never be good at much of that. They might keep playing it for whatever reason, but the game rewards people who ARE good at its core mechanics. So who else is it designed for, but the people who focus on that type of competitive gameplay?

09-09-2011, 03:12 PM	#209
Requiem Posts: 19,298	I see it as, they pay to keep servers up 24/7 because there are very specific people who will play this game long-term. Regular players who will be the FIRST to buy new content when it comes out, and will tell their friends to buy it, and even tell their CASUAL player friends to buy it. Any feature which angers that portion of your playerbase, is counterproductive.

09-09-2011, 03:15 PM	#210
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Like lvl3 xf Dark Phoenix?

09-09-2011, 03:23 PM	#211
Requiem Posts: 19,298	Ok, after thinking about this, perhaps majority isn't the right term in some cases. I still feel that in CoD style games, competitive players probably put in 10x more hours in the games than all the casual players combined. Money-makers, however, is a more productive term. ie; I play TF2 several times a day. I probably put in anywhere from 1-5 hours on any given day. I wouldn't consider myself hardcore. Just a gamer. But I'd say I'm definitely the audience Valve is trying to appeal to. MOST companies try and appeal to this audience. There are much smaller groups of people that play a lot more than me, and people who play a lot less. But I'm the group of players who periodically buys items, and spends money here and there on content. Tells their friends about the game, and how cool X new item is. With such a large group of players making up that category, those are the players who make them the most money. Those are the people who will complain the loudest about broken things. Now, I'm sure with the addition of f2p, Valve has seen an influx of casual players. They may even be a 'majority'. However, THOSE are not the people who make them money. The middle-group of players like myself, are the ones who will make a company money. We buy the content first, and convince other people to as well.

09-09-2011, 03:29 PM	#212
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	I wouldn't say we are the majority anymore Req, we were what the series built on but now its about the fact anyone can pick up and play the game. We agree there are many things used by the less skilled players that upset the balance of the gamebecause its far easier to get kills with a tube then to precisely aim and get a kill. People who exploit glitches I will never understand. Either they do it to piss people off or they do it for the stats to make themselves appear skilled. Many times after the care package glitch I saw players who had consistently negative k/d ratios but their combat record show a ratio of 2.5/1 or higher. Its blatantly obvious a player cheated before if they have a lifetime k/d that high but cannot sustain it once a glitch gets fixed.

09-09-2011, 06:54 PM	#213
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	Look, obviously I play to win the game as well. There's no point in playing a game if you're not trying to. Of course it's no fun if you're constantly losing. I just don't get mad if I lose because someone is glitching or "being cheap", because there's really nothing at stake other than some virtual stats. And I know if it's a glitch, it'll get patched. If it's part of the game, it's part of the game. I encounter far more people who don't tube than those who do, even back in MW2. Tubes take a very specific setup to be that annoying. A setup which is gone from Black Ops, and Robert Bowling has gone on record saying that tubes in MW3 are going to be severely nerfed (knife lunging too, for that matter). But I'm sure glitches will happen, and some new weapon or perk setup will be found to be broken. And the circle of life will continue.

09-10-2011, 03:04 PM	#216
G Selectively Social Posts: 16,336	preordered the hardened for both ps3 and 360. we'll see which one i get.

09-10-2011, 03:19 PM	#217
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	PC version.

09-10-2011, 03:32 PM	#218
LoDownM Retired Prolly. Posts: 11,296	You are getting the PC version FA? Can't wait to see you bitch about "all the cheaters on the pc version"

09-10-2011, 03:39 PM	#219
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	Way to jump to conclusion. I was referring to G's post so kindly get off my ass.

09-12-2011, 11:39 PM	#222
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Some good stuff in there.

09-13-2011, 12:02 AM	#223
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	Yeah, seems to be pretty good.

09-13-2011, 12:03 AM	#224
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	Though I am going to say it now, I can see people sitting in corners and boosting up that perk killstreak thing by killing friends aways before they start playing.

09-13-2011, 01:24 AM	#225
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Assholes are inevitable, can't fault a developer for them.

09-13-2011, 01:54 AM	#226
D Mac Posts: 21,603	It would make sense to start with the Double XP when you prestige. Or do you lose them when you prestige again?

09-21-2011, 04:40 PM	#227
Emperor Smeat Former TPWW Royalty Posts: 66,648	PC version on Steam will come with Modern Warfare 1 for free if MW 3 is pre-ordered. If you already own MW 1 on PC then the game can still be gifted to someone else as an option with the pre-order. http://www.screwattack.com/news/g1lu...eive-cod4-free

10-20-2011, 12:53 PM	#229
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950

10-20-2011, 01:01 PM	#230
RoXer History's Greatest, Mr. E Posts: 42,425	one big clusterfuck

10-20-2011, 01:42 PM	#231
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Probably the most focused I ever seen CoD gameplay.

10-20-2011, 01:47 PM	#232
Requiem Posts: 19,298	Why is that

10-20-2011, 02:05 PM	#233
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	It takes the K/D-centric system of past CoD's (with the infamous Nuke killstreak that rewarded that mentality - even during objective games) and spreads it out for more people of different playstyles. Splitting the CoD make-up into three main trees that (I assume) will further splinter into various customized playstyles (guns, perks, actual streak rewards). Then by making certain abilities exclusive to their branch, it also adds a sense of limitation that I feel is required for team games to work. You choose a role suited to you and play your position, adjusting it at your leisure. It's not so much a fiesta of perks and killstreaks anymore, which was just unattractive to me. I couldn't even be arsed to play BlackOps past 2 weeks and that was an improvement over MW2. Now I may play for at least 2 months.

10-20-2011, 03:19 PM	#234
D Mac Posts: 21,603	Looks pretty good to me.

10-20-2011, 05:04 PM	#235
El Fangel ELF ANGEL Posts: 39,476	I pre-ordered it incase I want to pick it up on launch. Still unsure. Also, Kalyx you are assuming people who play this game have a clue about tactics, team play or any idea of strategy. Silly you.

10-20-2011, 05:12 PM	#236
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Well damn... you play this game. And I wouldn't set out without a set party anyway, and my boys are on point as far teamwork goes - that's any game. In any case I'll play B3 more often anyway.

10-21-2011, 01:10 AM	#238
D Mac Posts: 21,603	I'm a Mercenary for hire and play Mercenary.