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Old 03-27-2025, 02:28 PM   #16281
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Dave tried to get that flying again a few months ago. He was praising Tony growing AEW from $0 in revenue to whatever he was making up it’s getting now.

Tony spends more and more as time goes on. I don’t think Ken Jeong worked the PPV for free. But AEW’s profitability is trivial if Beatnik — or whatever the trust fund company he and his sister were gifted is called — pays AEW and eats all the unwanted costs.

It’s going to cost so much money to get his wrestlers to re-sign with AEW when their deals are up. If you were a woman working for that company, why would you accept anything less than Mercedes Mone money when she doesn’t move the needle and gets paid what she does?

Tony’s got no talent. His positions are bought positions. Being a promoter or a booker requires knowledge and talent. Tony’s knowledge scope is limited to secondary and tertiary source texts outside his immediate AEW experience. Plus he just has no actual talent. And that’s fine for a human being. It just doesn’t fly for a promoter who wants to be the center of everything.

People used to scoff when he was compared to Dixie Carter lol.
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Old 03-27-2025, 02:30 PM   #16282
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Never forget just how bad that Fight Forever video game was. The developers bit off the TNA Impact video game’s intro to let audiences know how bad they knew it was.
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I will again admit I was wrong about Eli Drake.

Lol at CM Punk walking past Drew on SmackDown. “That’s a shame.”
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Hung Bucks back on TV. Got to love it.
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AEW has been doing so well on MAX that WBD decided to rebrand the streaming service without a mention of them in any PR material.
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Old 05-18-2025, 04:36 AM   #16288
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AEW Collision got cut off for Black Adam.
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Oof no one even likes that movie.
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Black Adam, a movie that bombed at the box office, a movie that received poor reviews, and a movie that was not even advertised to air on Saturday night, still outdrew AEW LOL.

Collision is like the new Rampage, cancelled
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WBD doesn’t give one shit about AEW. They’re more hyped about Jackie Redmond being involved with the hockey.
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Is the botched Collision up on MAX yet? It’s tricky to push the “AEW is killing it on MAX” narrative if Collision is that inconsequential.

Dave is still trying though. His latest tactic is to claim that if Dynamite gets 300k on Dynamite then it is more popular in the US than Raw on Netflix. This ignores that Raw is a global product and also accidentally betrays that Dynamite doesn’t get anywhere near 300k on MAX. If it did, we’d hear its overall popularity touted.

Segments like the awkward Hangman/Ospreay promo won’t help. What was worse about that — the talking or the haircuts?
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Ospreay is the newest AEW maacot. He cannot stop putting himself in front of a microphone and talking about how bad WWE is compared to AEW.

Ratings and Ticket Sales be damned BRUV!
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Old 05-28-2025, 02:44 PM   #16294
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How about he works out how to stop running away his own audience before lashing out? It’s clear he is insecure about signing with AEW. He also dobbed himself in. He’s admitted he has never met with or spoken to Triple H. Those talks obviously didn’t get very far in. The Motor City Machine Guns sound like they were a higher priority.
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I heard how bad the Hangman/Ospreay promo was so I had to check it out. Lol at Ospreay whining because he flies in from the UK every week. Hangman has the most pretentious delivery this side of Kenny Omega and Keith Lee.

The sickos are crying because WWE does weekend blocks of shows and now AEW’s flailing Texas PPV has to go against NXT. What did they think running a “challenger brand” looks like?
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Old 06-10-2025, 01:57 PM   #16296
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WBD is splitting up into two separate public companies. Yeah, they’re…uh…not in great shape, are they?
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One of them will be.

The restructure will shift off all the debt and failing assets leaving warner in an extremely favorable spot. Unclear how it will impact AEW since their contract would fall into both Global (the tv branch with all the debt) and Streaming (since it airs on max.) If Warner can pull this off though the Streaming branch will be in a great position. Stocks rose 9% on the announcement because the markets know whats going on here. Assuming the IRS allows the move (and thats questionable since this is clearly a ploy to offload the 37 billion debt accrued in the Discovery merger.) The tv side if theyre lucky will be sold off in a fire sale at best and implode into bankruptcy if not under the weight of the debt.

That said the way Sazlov has manipulated this debt in the last 4 years should have volumes written about it. Its been a magnum opus of corporate finance and if this move goes through will have taken him from COE of a failing and debt ridden Discovery to the CEO of a sustainable and profitable WB ready for sale in an IP hungry market. Its pretty insane. WB Global btw retains ZERO IP rights. Just debt and TV stations.

As far as AEW it wont ve until 2027 where any fall of out of this could impact them and there's no way to forecast what that impact would be. I dont think the TV side survives though. Once it goes belly up everyone who matters will be hired by the surviving WB Streaming & Studios and the debtors will be fucked.

Comcast did this last year but from a healthier position but the precedent does imply this will move forward.
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Worth noting the WB Global entity will get 20% of the Streaming & Studios company to sell off to pay down some of that debt AND theyre getting a loan to help that effort too. So they'll become a debtor to themself fundamentally but as long as WBS&S stay risk adverse it shouldnt be an issue for their health. Especially since selling WB S&S by 2030 is clearly the goal.
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Yeah, no shit what they’re trying to do man. Studio & Streaming is not a guaranteed success. They ended up in that spot in the first place. They’ve been clear about trying to become add-ons to Netflix and/or Amazon Prime. Leasing out or outright selling assets/the entire company is no doubt on the cards, but WBD is essentially dead. Global Networks is just there to cop debt, thrash about and maybe declare bankruptcy.
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AEW is such small fish. It could skate by due to irrelevancy or be cut tomorrow to pinch a penny. Not a great situation for them to be in, but they were proud to sign with a dying entity (and it’s doubtful anyone else wants them).
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It really just bpils down to how much of AEWs operating budget comes outside of the deal. If Kahn Sr is willing to fund it, lets get silly, 80% then there's no reason Warner would drop it. Its not like airing it on max is a major money sink. Kahn Jrs a mark and will clearly lose his ass on the venture until daddy stops him.


Like i said there's no way to forcast it. It really boils down to how dumb kahn sr is.
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Apparently AEW is getting sued because Mox pushed a camera man who then got injured.
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Yeah thatll do it. Not as bad as punching a journalist as far as historical legal blunders go but it def makes the list
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Probably not going to help the case that Ricochet retweeted the story and called the guy suing a pussy.
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Old 06-17-2025, 05:55 AM   #16307
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By all means if the guy was hurt on the job he's entitled to ask for something given he wasn't trained nor expecting to be bumped. The actual wording in the suit is hilariously sensationalized though, straight out of the playbooks of every lawyer that specializes in ambulance chasing claims.

Timing-wise it sounds like he sat on it for 2 years because he was hoping to get more work with them and didn't want a lawsuit to torpedo it, and since it didn't happen here's the suit.

Anyway, $25k in damages isn't an outlandish sum to ask for. I'd expect this is something that'll just get settled quickly.
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He’s not asking for $25k. He’s asking for a sum in excess of $25k. I’ve got no sympathy for AEW. Thing sounds pretty messed up.
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Stupid for Ricochet to say that. Kind of backs up what plaintiff is saying about it being a terrible work culture with a bunch of unprofessional idiots lol.

I’m reading the unions are now involved and that Mox does stuff like this all the time? Yeah, a bunch more people are about to get paid if this is true.
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Old 06-19-2025, 04:29 PM   #16313
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Just play it off as kayfabe. Ricochet said that, Trevor is really concerned about the guy’s welfare.
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Or let’s just keep on ignoring Ricochet.
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Kinda hope Rusev and/or Aleister Black do a CVV sit down at some point and discuss what the hell actually happened with them in AEW. Kinda doubt it'll happen as both guys were big into streaming while in AEW and they were relatively mum on their whereabouts or always said they didn't know why their booking was what it was. We'll never hear TK or anyone give his side of it.

My read on it though is that it was something like this:

-Both guys felt underutilized in Vince's WWE main roster and were excited to go to AEW where they felt they could end up rolling up the card

-Both guys had some early success. Miro did that dumb Kip Sabian shit, by his own admission he wanted to try something different and show a different side of his personality, but as soon as COVID ended and fans came back they gave him a change in character and a lengthy TNT run. Black got to feud with Cody and eventually start building a stable around him.

-In summer 2022 Triple H takes over the book and you can almost pinpoint this as the moment their booking gets extra weird. Both guys had extended absences. Miro returns for All Out but then disappears again amidst rumors he turned down a Hangman program. Black seems to salute the fans goodbye at All Out and goes on another absence, reportedly asking for his release. Reading through the tea leaves it feels like both guys believe Triple H would book them like NXT again and they want to go back...now starting to protect themselves for returns.

-Neither guy gets out of their deal. Miro's gone for nearly a full year only to go back to squashing people on Punk's Collision, and then disappear on and off again being gone for a full year before his release is finalized. Black at least sticks around to do Trios and Tag stuff but notably goes almost 2 years between singles matches until a singles program with Cope. Throughout this both guys continue to claim they don't know why they're not being booked (or in Black's case why he's left off of singles)

-Meltzer and Alvarez keep heavy-handedly suggesting their booking is the way it is because they're complaining about who they're asked to work with and they don't want to do jobs

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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Plenty of misused guys from WWE think they'll get a huge push kinda like what TNA used to do, and they can be protective of that.

At the same time I really doubt they were refusing jobs. I think AEW encourages talent to pitch ideas and their ideas might not've jived with what TK wanted, but TK's too much of a bitch to tell them to work with who he says and he'd rather just not book someone in a program they don't want.
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I CAN buy that both guys were essentially making TK the Hardcore Holly pitch. No matter how much symbolism or mythos Black tried to work in the pitches ultimately boil down to "And then I beat everyone and you give me the title."

And tbf I would do the same thing.
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Do wonder how they feel back in WWE. Love both guys but don't reasonably see them ever advancing beyond midcard - especially with the WWE title firmly entrenched in the Cena angle for the rest of the year. PPVs only have like 5 matches on them now, harder than ever to get booked on a PPV let alone main eventing. The live event schedule is being reduced so there's not as many chances to headline one of those either.

If disappointment with their previous booking/not getting a bigger AEW push ticked them off then maybe at this stage they're just accepting it is what it is and at least they'll just settle in to the highest exposure job/highest paying job and be content with their midcard spot. I doubt either guy will have a prolonged absence anymore so they have that going for them.

Very hilarious to watch Black's first few WWE matches, it's obvious he was phoning it in at AEW.
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AEW is a clown show. You go there and while the money is good, you realize you have lowered yourself professionally. Going to a place where you can’t be proud of your work can crush your soul. Artists or athletes sitting on the bench wasting their prime years is frustrating too. Is the money a fair trade off? For some it might be, but you see how bonkers some people are going in AEW.

There’s a difference between taking money and making money. Penta made a fair bit of coin in AEW, but it would be a different feeling to when those first merchandising royalties come in and you realize that you matter to people.

Rusev and Black were both trained in the WWE system. They work out and take the aesthetic side of the business somewhat seriously. That makes them a target for jealousy and bitterness in the first place. When asked to do something stupid they asked “why?” or just flat-out said it was stupid.

Oh, and they were both friendly with CM Punk. That’s a big crime.

Meltzer and Alvarez regurgitate nonsense about WWE programming. It’s propaganda to make pride in your profession sound bad.
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Wardlow is sitting on the bench. Put over by CM Punk. Cody guy. Jacked. Jock who wants to be a star. AV club hates him and is pissed the girls talk about him.

It’s really that simple.
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AEW Sucks, there is no way around that. They had many chances and have royally fucked up each and every one. At this point it is nothing but lies and false hype. Everything is the best and the company is getting more and more viewers, according to Tony. Except it is the same boring show every single week. Nothing changes, except the audience which is becoming smaller, not bigger year over year like Tony Khan and Dave Meltzer would have you believe.

Meltzer was just going on about how Dynamite on Wednesday sold 14,000 tickets, even though only 13,000 people showed up. Of course people have cameras and there were a lot of empty seats, so again it is just this false narrative that is easily proven as bullshit.
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