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Old 09-26-2022, 02:43 PM   #11521
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I think the segment of the fanbase that think MJF shouldn't get a prolonged title run unless he extends his deal are beyond retarded. First off, he signed for 5 years and aside from benching him for 3 months as part of a worked shoot that ultimately didn't accomplish anything, and actively made the show worse given how many guys were out with legit injuries....there's been no legitimate signs that he's been unwilling to honor the long contract he signed.

He wanted a raise and supposedly got it, but it's not like he was gonna actually walk out if he didn't get it. He goes to such great lengths to stay in character in interviews, so nobody truly knows what goes on with any of his negotiations with Khan, but there's little reason to doubt he actually wants that bidding war and massive 2024 payday, and so it would do him no good to breach his deal and walk out/get benched for over a year.

If AEW fans want MJF there for the long haul, I don't know how they can't see that not giving him the top of the card run that he deserves would make it even more substantially unlikely that he'd re-sign when his deal is up. It would be irresponsible to not make the most of a talent of his caliber while they still have him.

You give MJF his title run. Let him do his thing. Hell if they want him to channel heel ROH Punk again he could be even more hamfisted with the whole "I'M LEAVING FOR WWE" shit as 2023 winds down. Have him put over your next babyface to "save" AEW before his deal expires. It's really not rocket science here.

If he then re-signs and makes a surprise return in 2024? Great! You've got a "homegrown" star entrenched for the long haul. If he leaves? You'll have hopefully used him to make some stars on the way out.

But to purposely not make the most of the guy while he's here would be indefensible.
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Old 09-26-2022, 03:09 PM   #11522
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LOL name one person that has been booked properly in AEW. I don't mean for a good stretch here or there, but overall.

Even the most successful people like Jericho and Moxley have had long stretches where they were a complete afterthought.

Moxley had like a 6 month booking period where his whole gimmick was him and Eddie Kingston being drunk and fat friends while fighting random old guys from Japan.

Jericho had a stretch where he was up against teleporting Matt Hardy and his drone, and had a hot tub orange juice match and a debate fued.

Them taking MJF off tv for 3 months then having him come back as the exact same character like he never left, is just Tiny being a shit booker.
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Old 09-26-2022, 04:08 PM   #11523
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I think what hotrod is trying to say is that if you give Tony 100 balls he's gonna drop all of them.
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Old 09-26-2022, 04:37 PM   #11524
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Except for his own two!






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Old 09-26-2022, 04:41 PM   #11525
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Yeah those definitely haven't dropped yet.
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Old 09-26-2022, 05:30 PM   #11526
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Yeah those definitely haven't dropped yet.
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:05 PM   #11527
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Can you even really pick Toni though considering she left like, what, a couple weeks after coming up to the main roster? There was no time to do anything with her.
Kind of debating that myself. I don’t think Storm is very good. The NXT system helped her generate a following that she is still dining out on. But I can see fanboys getting up in arms if you don’t credit the kayfabe push she’s getting in AEW to be bigger.
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:13 PM   #11528
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I think the segment of the fanbase that think MJF shouldn't get a prolonged title run unless he extends his deal are beyond retarded. First off, he signed for 5 years and aside from benching him for 3 months as part of a worked shoot that ultimately didn't accomplish anything, and actively made the show worse given how many guys were out with legit injuries....there's been no legitimate signs that he's been unwilling to honor the long contract he signed.

He wanted a raise and supposedly got it, but it's not like he was gonna actually walk out if he didn't get it. He goes to such great lengths to stay in character in interviews, so nobody truly knows what goes on with any of his negotiations with Khan, but there's little reason to doubt he actually wants that bidding war and massive 2024 payday, and so it would do him no good to breach his deal and walk out/get benched for over a year.

If AEW fans want MJF there for the long haul, I don't know how they can't see that not giving him the top of the card run that he deserves would make it even more substantially unlikely that he'd re-sign when his deal is up. It would be irresponsible to not make the most of a talent of his caliber while they still have him.

You give MJF his title run. Let him do his thing. Hell if they want him to channel heel ROH Punk again he could be even more hamfisted with the whole "I'M LEAVING FOR WWE" shit as 2023 winds down. Have him put over your next babyface to "save" AEW before his deal expires. It's really not rocket science here.

If he then re-signs and makes a surprise return in 2024? Great! You've got a "homegrown" star entrenched for the long haul. If he leaves? You'll have hopefully used him to make some stars on the way out.

But to purposely not make the most of the guy while he's here would be indefensible.
MJF was in-line to be the third World Champion that company had. At their very first show he stole a segment with Adam Page and Bret Hart. How much longer past that do you still need to be testing the guy? We’re almost FOUR YEARS past that and it’s no wonder the dude wants to pack his bags and go to the show that can make him a bigger star.
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:15 PM   #11529
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LOL name one person that has been booked properly in AEW. I don't mean for a good stretch here or there, but overall.

Even the most successful people like Jericho and Moxley have had long stretches where they were a complete afterthought.

Moxley had like a 6 month booking period where his whole gimmick was him and Eddie Kingston being drunk and fat friends while fighting random old guys from Japan.

Jericho had a stretch where he was up against teleporting Matt Hardy and his drone, and had a hot tub orange juice match and a debate fued.

Them taking MJF off tv for 3 months then having him come back as the exact same character like he never left, is just Tiny being a shit booker.
I will maybe hear Sting. For a dude older than my dad, they’ve used him for special occasions. He does too much and mixes it up with losers sometimes, but I would hear the case. I’d have almost gone with Darby Allin once upon a time. They took real good care of him. For a while. Now everybody is like “Wtf are they doing with Darby?”

Hmm, kind of funny it was was after Punk anointed him.

The booking in this company fucking sucks. The politics are toxic. They’re starting to finally get what’s been coming to them from the start.
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:17 PM   #11530
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Stories about Britt Baker being toxic backstage are starting to come out. I don’t know if they’re as credible as the ones about her liking Christian Cage penis, but there’s that out there now too.
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:27 PM   #11531
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Why would Wardlow stay? He was on fire earlier this year and they’ve done their best to book him down. Ricky Starks will be gone. Does that extend to Powerhouse Hobbs? He seems to be in that Punk group of guys and you would presume a closeness to Starks. I can see Billy Gunn pulling some strings and getting his sons a tap on the shoulder to jump over to NXT.

I’m curious to see what Jade does when her deal is up. She’s training with Danielson, but that doesn’t really mean anything. I can see WWE making a really convincing play and getting her to jump ship.

I really don’t know why any of those people would stay in AEW when they can go to the WWE and get equal or better booking, basically the same money once merch factors in and be more famous and respected.
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:42 PM   #11532
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Stories about Britt Baker being toxic backstage are starting to come out. I don’t know if they’re as credible as the ones about her liking Christian Cage penis, but there’s that out there now too.
All the stuff with Rosa reeks of Mean Girls bullshit. Doesn’t help that it sounds like Brit’s got Tony’s ear.
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:43 PM   #11533
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Stories about Britt Baker being toxic backstage are starting to come out. I don’t know if they’re as credible as the ones about her liking Christian Cage penis, but there’s that out there now too.
Britt's toxic backstage? You don't say! *Looks at how Big Swole and Thunder Rosa were treated post program with her. And how she is always in public with the boss and Rosa was hiding in the back, even as Champion.*

How could anyone get that idea?
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Old 09-26-2022, 06:51 PM   #11534
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All the stuff with Rosa reeks of Mean Girls bullshit. Doesn’t help that it sounds like Brit’s got Tony’s ear.
Lol that’s basically the story. Mean Girls shit and when people try to wake Tony Khan up to it he’s too smitten with Britt.

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Britt's toxic backstage? You don't say! *Looks at how Big Swole and Thunder Rosa were treated post program with her. And how she is always in public with the boss and Rosa was hiding in the back, even as Champion.*

How could anyone get that idea?
It was weird to hear TK basically dismiss her as champion too and sit there while Toni Storm implies that she’s faked her injury.

Is it too psychoanalytical to speculate that Tony never had hot female friends and now he can pay for “acceptance” and is, at least subconsciously, participating in this bullying?
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Old 09-26-2022, 11:28 PM   #11535
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I will maybe hear Sting. For a dude older than my dad, they’ve used him for special occasions. He does too much and mixes it up with losers sometimes, but I would hear the case. I’d have almost gone with Darby Allin once upon a time. They took real good care of him. For a while. Now everybody is like “Wtf are they doing with Darby?”

Hmm, kind of funny it was was after Punk anointed him.

The booking in this company fucking sucks. The politics are toxic. They’re starting to finally get what’s been coming to them from the start.
It's almost like some wrestling forum member knew that jobbing to an embarrassing MMA failure with no credibility would hurt/bury anybody that might have had a chance of breaking out.

At least Tiny learned his lesson after Darby, and didn't let anybody else on his roster get buried by that douchebag failure.
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Wouldn’t surprise me if The Elite got jealous after Punk wanted to work with Darby and have got him to do quiet stuff on the side since.
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Wouldn’t surprise me if The Elite got jealous after Punk wanted to work with Darby and have got him to do quiet stuff on the side since.
If I was Darby I would be jealous that The Elite DIDN'T have to work with Phil
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If I were in AEW I would have a lot of hobbies. You’re basically getting paid to have as much free time as possible.
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LOL true, they got so many people on that Lanny Poffo WCW contract where they do literally nothing
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Remember when WCW was mocked for that?
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I know people are starting to mock AEW too.
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Old 09-27-2022, 02:54 AM   #11542
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Apparently Malakai Black was live on some platform today saying he will be back in AEW and is just taking a break. Be good for AEW if he does come back and has his injuries sorted. Probably gives King a bit of direction as well if there is a return set even without a specific date in mind.

If Matthews stays as well you could do a monster gets overwhelmed type deal for King and the two come back to save him t some point, could go over well as a face angle.
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Old 09-27-2022, 04:23 AM   #11543
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If I were in AEW I would have a lot of hobbies. You’re basically getting paid to have as much free time as possible.
Who are you kidding? You’d have one hobby and it’d be posting on Internet wrestling forums full of people who’s opinion you don’t value Only difference from now is you’d be getting bank for doing it.
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Who are you kidding? You’d have one hobby and it’d be posting on Internet wrestling forums full of people who’s opinion you don’t value Only difference from now is you’d be getting bank for doing it.
I think I’d probably hate wrestling if I worked there. I’d probably take up origami.
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:56 AM   #11545
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I think I’d probably hate wrestling if I worked there. I’d probably take up origami.
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Old 09-27-2022, 09:29 AM   #11546
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I just want to say that Wardlow will be "nothing special" in WWE. He's AEW through and through.
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Old 09-27-2022, 09:37 AM   #11547
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Malakai Black should be the next rising major heel behind MJF. Sweep the undercard titles and dominate like he did in NXT. I love Malakai. He's so good, one of my favorites next to Jon Moxley in AEW.

I kind of want Malakai to go back to WWE though because Triple H love's him as much as I do.
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Old 09-27-2022, 10:17 AM   #11548
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I mean, cool that Malakai's said he's coming back eventually.

That said his IG post a few weeks ago specifically mentioned, amongst all the personal and mental shit he has going on, that "promises made in my professional career that were not upheld". Not exactly hard to glean that he was unhappy with his booking.

Could be that he's talked with Tony and they've worked something out to try and give things another go once he feels ready for it. But I wouldn't hold my breath on House of Black not getting lost in the shuffle again.
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Old 09-27-2022, 11:21 AM   #11549
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Malakai is a fucking wanker.
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Old 09-27-2022, 11:34 AM   #11550
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TK has apparently set a new policy at AEW. No one gets released unless its for cause. If you don't like it you can sit your ass in catering and be depressed for the next 4 and a half years.
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Malakai is a fucking wanker.
You should love him then considering your affinity for wrestlers that identify as wankers.
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Old 09-27-2022, 11:37 AM   #11552
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CM Punk doesn't identify as a wanker. He just is one. He probably thinks he's a great guy lolol
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Old 09-27-2022, 12:31 PM   #11553
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CM Punk doesn't identify as a wanker. He just is one. He probably thinks he's a great guy lolol
He thinks he is a good fighter too, but he probably has brain damage from getting his brain pummeled every time he forgot he is a little bitch, and tried to fight.
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Where are all the morality stans who LOVED wrestlers escaping WWE Prison to the safety of AEW Freedom now?
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CM Punk doesn't identify as a wanker. He just is one. He probably thinks he's a great guy lolol
Puno no doubt thinks he’s the good guy who’s done nothing wrong and that everybody else is the problem. As opposed to the reality that how he deals with shit is the problem.
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Old 09-27-2022, 01:20 PM   #11556
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I actually don't hate what he did as far as the press conference went. It was awesome and hilarious because fuck the Elite. I even think suckering a Young Buck was great. But there were two problems that stemmed from it:

1. Ace Steele doing shit that made it a legal problem
2. Punk's injury. There's no way to pay any of this off even if they all made nice.

But there's no doubt that his actions were those of a salty prick. All the same, it was a necessary wakeup call for Tony and his band of assholes that their bullshit isn't cute.
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Malakai is a fucking wanker.
Agreed. I tried to watch a video of his explanation to see if it said what people were saying it said. The guy was acting like he was a victim of some out of control misrepresentation of his character. Don’t get frustrated that people think you want out of your deal when you go online and don’t communicate effectively lol.
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Old 09-27-2022, 03:31 PM   #11558
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Dude he literally communicated that he wanted out of his deal! Lmfao
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I’m sure he’s an alright guy but wrestlers need to just use burner accounts and stay off social media. It’s for their own good.
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I actually don't hate what he did as far as the press conference went. It was awesome and hilarious because fuck the Elite. I even think suckering a Young Buck was great. But there were two problems that stemmed from it:

1. Ace Steele doing shit that made it a legal problem
2. Punk's injury. There's no way to pay any of this off even if they all made nice.

But there's no doubt that his actions were those of a salty prick. All the same, it was a necessary wakeup call for Tony and his band of assholes that their bullshit isn't cute.
Tony Khan had months, even years, to fix these issues. When your champ goes out there and tries to bury your star babyface and the program he’s in — you kinda sort that shit out. It got this weird unprecedented place due to lack of leadership.

Punk said some unprofessional things. I think the most damaging was probably that Page had “done nothing in the business” despite being AEW champ. But their behavior was left unchecked for so long. Now damage has been done. Even if you agree with Punk, some cultists will be looking to shit all over what he does if he comes back. And even if you like The Elite, your bad taste doesn’t excuse them from perception issues either. And there are talent on both sides that are going to respond to this. Pushing Adam Page in its wake seems like a great way to build further resentment towards him.
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