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Old 06-25-2012, 09:10 AM   #41
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ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and asked him if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:00 AM   #43
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:00 AM   #44
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I'll admit, even though that video has been around for four years, I'm still not entirely sure if it's supposed to be a positive video about Benoit or a negative one.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:25 AM   #45
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:09 PM   #46
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wrong.

Take Sandusky out of there he's lower than those two.

I think raping young boys is far worse than killing.

inb4 people debating about which is worse
I know. Put Sandusky along with all those corrupt church pastors that rape their alter boys.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:23 PM   #47
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He committed suicide because he was sent to ECW right?
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:30 PM   #48
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:55 PM   #49
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the few posts in here that include things like "I don't condone it but his brain injuries" or "I don't blame Benoit" etc will probably never cease to amaze me. He calculatingly killed his family over the space of 24 hours including binding Nancy's hands and feet together, taking time to consider his next move and then drugging and strangling the kid in bed the following morning. I don't care what some his friends and parents and colleagues said (although London and Kendrick seem to have the "most realistic" impression of him) the only person that really knew him is one of the people he killed. He made phone calls with legitimate sounding, coherent excuses for no-showing shows i.e had put thought into it and people had no reason to doubt him. He placed bibles next to the bodies surely indicating he knew he'd "wronged" or some shit. He knew exactly what he was doing.

He was an "international star" in a multi-million dollar company surrounded by fellow employees in all kinds of roles on a daily basis, not some vagrant walking around with brain fluid dripping out of his nose. He saw his doctor like the day before. I don't care how good his matches ever were, how many untreated concussions he ever had, how much of a fan of his you were, how surreal it is (and it is, just this past week I watched his DVD for the first time after having owned it for years but not wanting to see it and I felt hugely uncomfortable for the first 10 minutes or so. In fact watching that DVD is probably my reason for making this post since it's "fresh in my mind") there is zero justification whatsoever, he murdered his family and then himself for reasons we'll probably never know as opposed to facing the consequences and he'll forever be a piece of shit for doing so. By all means still recognize the quality of his matches and whatnot but to still even give the remotest bit of "understanding" or "reasoning" or to expect WWE to suddenly acknowledge him again is pretty much bullshit.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:57 PM   #50
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and for some really staggering "views" on the whole Benoit "situation", check out what Billy Jack Haynes had to say in one his RF Video shoots if you haven't seen it. Probably the single most ridiculous bunch of quotes I've ever heard from anybody in relation to professional wrestling.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:01 PM   #51
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Yeah pretty much what CSL said, and I also remember a post by someone in some other Benoit thread that compared him to any other profession in the world. I think the example used was a banker. Some guy could be the greatest banker in the world but then he goes and offs his wife and kid, nobody cares about his banking ability, just the fact he was a nutjob who went and killed people. This shouldn't be any different, just because this guys job was to entertain people.

Although I'm saying that as well because he pretty rarely entertained me anyway. Always found him to be one of the least interesting and most boring wrestlers around.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:01 PM   #52
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Yeah, look at what happened to junior seau.
was going to avoid specific quotes but for you to even mention Junior Seau in the same context is pretty insulting to Junior Seau
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:17 PM   #53
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watching the Benoit Tribute RAW while working. It is harder to watch than the initial first time.

1. Michael Cole talking about how a man is measured by his kids and how great of a dad he is....Brutal.
2. My heart goes out to all the wrestlers kissing his ass and pouring their hearts out.....Again Brutal.
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and for some really staggering "views" on the whole Benoit "situation", check out what Billy Jack Haynes had to say in one his RF Video shoots if you haven't seen it. Probably the single most ridiculous bunch of quotes I've ever heard from anybody in relation to professional wrestling.
Read about it but need to see it.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:36 PM   #56
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CSL, what did London and Kendrick say about Benoit?

I used to be such a big fan of Benoit, but there really is no excuse for what he did.
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alot of people are using the word "CHILDREN" when talking about Chris in this video...Did he have more than 1 or are they just using the term as a general?
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CSL, what did London and Kendrick say about Benoit?

I used to be such a big fan of Benoit, but there really is no excuse for what he did.
they liked/respected him a lot but kind of indicated they weren't too surprised, that he was super super intense and a bit weird and threatening etc

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alot of people are using the word "CHILDREN" when talking about Chris in this video...Did he have more than 1 or are they just using the term as a general?
yah, he had more than 1 kid
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The guy's in ring work should be studied by anybody trying to become a wrestler, but fuck him.
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alot of people are using the word "CHILDREN" when talking about Chris in this video...Did he have more than 1 or are they just using the term as a general?
I believed he had two from a previous relationship, they were much older.....
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:56 PM   #63
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oh maybe that's why i couldn't find it because i was looking for a 1 hour vid and not a couple of segments. Thanks anyway.
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Weird I have never heard a peep from the other Benoit kids. Did I miss it or have their privacy actually been respected?
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the few posts in here that include things like "I don't condone it but his brain injuries" or "I don't blame Benoit" etc will probably never cease to amaze me. He calculatingly killed his family over the space of 24 hours including binding Nancy's hands and feet together, taking time to consider his next move and then drugging and strangling the kid in bed the following morning. I don't care what some his friends and parents and colleagues said (although London and Kendrick seem to have the "most realistic" impression of him) the only person that really knew him is one of the people he killed. He made phone calls with legitimate sounding, coherent excuses for no-showing shows i.e had put thought into it and people had no reason to doubt him. He placed bibles next to the bodies surely indicating he knew he'd "wronged" or some shit. He knew exactly what he was doing.

He was an "international star" in a multi-million dollar company surrounded by fellow employees in all kinds of roles on a daily basis, not some vagrant walking around with brain fluid dripping out of his nose. He saw his doctor like the day before. I don't care how good his matches ever were, how many untreated concussions he ever had, how much of a fan of his you were, how surreal it is (and it is, just this past week I watched his DVD for the first time after having owned it for years but not wanting to see it and I felt hugely uncomfortable for the first 10 minutes or so. In fact watching that DVD is probably my reason for making this post since it's "fresh in my mind") there is zero justification whatsoever, he murdered his family and then himself for reasons we'll probably never know as opposed to facing the consequences and he'll forever be a piece of shit for doing so. By all means still recognize the quality of his matches and whatnot but to still even give the remotest bit of "understanding" or "reasoning" or to expect WWE to suddenly acknowledge him again is pretty much bullshit.
I didn't realise you had so much more knowledge on brain injuries than the rest of us, thanks for clearing this up, and I'm sure we'll all change our point of view on things from now.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:49 PM   #68
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Seriously though, not trying to start a flame war with you, so please don't even go there, but that is merely your opinion (which you are entitled to) and not fact. Nobody here tried to force the other reasoning on anybody, and I know you know the 'buisness' better than the rest of us apparently, but it doesn't make yours right no matter how firmly you put it across.

Fact of the matter is head and brain injuries can fuck people up badly to the point where they have no idea what they're doing, and can seem quite rational. What he did was the absolute shit, but you can't avoid that point simply because you either don't, or don't want to accept that as fact.
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I also know that I have no personal info on Benoit or his health when it happened, but the evidence is all there to point to brain trauma.
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I actually can't really watch Benoit matches anymore. My mind instantly goes to "Fuck this murderer". But that's more of just a personal "weirdness" I get watching them.
Ditto.

Mania XX was probably the most emotionally invested I have ever been in a match and thinking back about it gives me good memories...then the inevitable "Guy is a murderer" thought pops up.

Can't watch a Benoit match without that fact popping into my head. Maybe it's watching him deliver/miss the Diving Headbutt, or headbutting an opponent, or taking a chair shot to the head, etc, all in the knowledge that every one of those things may have lead him further down the path to murder/suicide.
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Considering his brain was jello....

My thoughts exactly I dont know about the rest of you but Ive never bee able to say beniot was an unforgivable murderer because his mind was gone

and its never seemed fair to me that the WWE gloss over his history and Vince painted him as a monster when the truth is at the end of his life he was in fact unwell.
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That was brought in around early 2006, it was introduced 2 or 3 months after Eddie Guerrero's death.
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I didn't realise you had so much more knowledge on brain injuries than the rest of us, thanks for clearing this up, and I'm sure we'll all change our point of view on things from now.
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Seriously though, not trying to start a flame war with you, so please don't even go there, but that is merely your opinion (which you are entitled to) and not fact. Nobody here tried to force the other reasoning on anybody, and I know you know the 'buisness' better than the rest of us apparently, but it doesn't make yours right no matter how firmly you put it across.

Fact of the matter is head and brain injuries can fuck people up badly to the point where they have no idea what they're doing, and can seem quite rational. What he did was the absolute shit, but you can't avoid that point simply because you either don't, or don't want to accept that as fact.
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I also know that I have no personal info on Benoit or his health when it happened, but the evidence is all there to point to brain trauma.
you appear to have entirely missed my point. Brain injury or not of any severity, there is no reasoning or excuse or reason to not hold it against him simply for the sheer magnitude of what he did in the drawn out and calculating manner that it happened in. It's a shame yeah, I'm sure he didn't grow up planning on killing his family one day but that's the person he either was or that he became. But please continue to make snarky remarks or assume I'm taking shots at you or somebody else/"thinking I'm above people". That always works out really well for you.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:17 PM   #74
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Assuming Chris Benoit found a way to post here despite the obvious handicap of being dead and refused to seriously talk about his murderings and suicides but made humorous quips like "That's what Nancy got for using all the hot water! Women, am I right?", how far would he get in our numerous popularity awards? Would he have a green or red all important reputation bar? Would he be accused of being Heyman?

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Old 06-25-2012, 06:19 PM   #75
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I think it depends how dedicated he was to the gimmick. If he really stuck at it, after it while it'd be like "oh Chris" and he'd wind up with green rep. And I'd go with him getting accused of being Shisen Kopf first.
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Great wrestler in terms of legacy but as a person, inexcusable what he did to his family.

On one hand, he was in a mess both emotionally (Eddie's death) and mentally (years of hits to the head) but on the other hand, it also seemed like he was well aware of what he was doing at the ending with how planned some of the stuff was.

If we are going to remember him, also have to show some remembrance to his family. Nancy Benoit did have some legacy in wrestling even if it was mostly just as a manager/valet.
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Oh yeah, Nancy would've gotten it. Maybe not after she was killed, but tied up she would've (in a totally consensual and mildly kinky way. Not Benoit letting me "have a go" before he did the deed way, you sick fuck).
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Guys, I realize I am a jobber in this place....

But please...just remember that Zeeboe a.k.a. Val Venis was the one who first predicted that it was a work.

Infact, I am starting to believe more and more that this is all staged.

You'll all be laughing at yourselves later for this and for many years to come...mark my words...hell, I already am laughing at some of you.

As for you who are sickened by McMahon...I bet you'll still watch his product and really hate his guts....which is what he wants.

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you appear to have entirely missed my point. Brain injury or not of any severity, there is no reasoning or excuse or reason to not hold it against him simply for the sheer magnitude of what he did in the drawn out and calculating manner that it happened in. It's a shame yeah, I'm sure he didn't grow up planning on killing his family one day but that's the person he either was or that he became. But please continue to make snarky remarks or assume I'm taking shots at you or somebody else/"thinking I'm above people". That always works out really well for you.
You apparently missed my point also, made it clear I wasn't trying to start an argument with you, was just saying that I think you're underestimating the severity of change brain damage can cause in a person. Nobody is saying you're wrong with your beliefs, but your opening line kind of did make you seem like you were shitting on others.

Now if you want to do the whole 'Dan is trying to say I love myself' thing, feel free. I wasn't going there at all, but it's nice to see you always jump straight down that path. Time to move on my friend.
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