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Old 05-03-2022, 04:29 PM   #721
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Heyman and MVP are where you could stop. I didn’t say the most managers, I said the best managers. No one touches them.

The Usos have been on the main roster for 12 years now. The New Day have been together for 8. The Street Profits for 6. The longevity argument is an outdated one. Splitting up teams wouldn’t negate the argument that WWE have a good division anyway.

Right now they’ve got aforementioned teams, RKBro, Alpha fucking Academy, The Mysterios, Ziggler & Roode, and the ability to put a bunch of other guys into the mix that currently aren’t cycled in (Edge & Priest, Gunther & Kaiser, Styles & Balor). It’s just an antiquated argument that they don’t have the teams available to produce top quality tag team stuff. It’s been the highlight on Raw.

This is probably the strongest the division has ever been since The Hardys, E&C, The Dudleys, APA, Too Cool, Radicalz days. And I can’t think of another time where it was more important in the context of the show. RKBro and The Usos are just about to headline a PPV.

I’ve also read that RKBro are MASSIVE merch movers for them. Hence why they don’t break them up. But the team has gotten over and worked. To say they aren’t one of the most important acts there right now is just absurd.

Now compare that to AEW. Do Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus compare as champs to either WWE team? No. Are any of the teams true main event acts? No. They’ve got FTR, who are outstanding, but booked so terribly by the company. They’ve got alien belts no one cares about and have had to build up a reputation outside the show to get over enough to stand out.

WWE had them in the first place, lol. WWE wants them now? They hired them anyway. FTR quit. Their greatness was well known before any AEW run.

The anti-WWE lens skewers everything, and it tends to fall back on antiquated arguments and internet tropes that don’t hold true under examination.
Tremendous points.
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Old 05-03-2022, 04:33 PM   #722
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WWE is a leader in sports entertainment for a reason.

They do make AEW comes across as amatuers at time. I'm exhausted by the overbooking on AEW programming. It's not going to improve ratings. There's no breathing room on Dynamite. Space it all out for crying out loud.
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Old 05-03-2022, 04:37 PM   #723
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Noids missing the point. None of those WWE teams do 7 star flippy shit every match. This puts them at an automatic disadvantage to every team in AEW.
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Old 05-03-2022, 04:41 PM   #724
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WWE had them in the first place, lol. WWE wants them now? They hired them anyway. FTR quit. Their greatness was well known before any AEW run.

The anti-WWE lens skewers everything, and it tends to fall back on antiquated arguments and internet tropes that don’t hold true under examination.
When you take off the anti-WWE lens this is a gif of them tearing the house down.
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Old 05-03-2022, 04:54 PM   #726
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I can find gifs of all the teams in AEW you worship doing embarrassing bits too. Is that really how you're gonna play this?
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Could probably just do a montage of all of them jobbing to a dick flip at some point.
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I can find gifs of all the teams in AEW you worship doing embarrassing bits too. Is that really how you're gonna play this?
The only tag team I worship is Danhausen and his jar of teeth. I dare you.
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Could probably just do a montage of all of them jobbing to a dick flip at some point.
You wanna go back and forth with WWE guys and AEW guys taking dick flips for point provings? No lenses allowed!
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Idk how anybody could watch both programs and not concede that AEW runs the better tag division. WWE has the talent to have a strong division, they just choose not to.
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Old 05-03-2022, 05:39 PM   #732
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I can’t speak much on the team itself but the existence of RKBro pisses me off solely because Orton should be a megastar. He should be a special attraction and treated way above teaming with a stoner surfer dude who has birds fly out of his asshole.
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I can’t speak much on the team itself but the existence of RKBro pisses me off solely because Orton should be a megastar. He should be a special attraction and treated way above teaming with a stoner surfer dude who has birds fly out of his asshole.
well he isnt and never was a megastar. his career is nearing its end...might as well build someone up.
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He’s 5 years older than the guy they’re using him to build up and has WAY more star potential. My comment was more condemning WWE for fucking up with him over the past 20 years but if they can even get 5 more years out of Orton full time then they should be focusing on making him the star he should have been as opposed to “using him” to build up a guy with FAR less potential than he ever had.
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Why would Randy Orton, a 42 year old guy want to help somebody else get over when he can just say he wants to work with younger talent, but then win every single match he is in and act tough on Twitter???
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I can’t speak much on the team itself but the existence of RKBro pisses me off solely because Orton should be a megastar. He should be a special attraction and treated way above teaming with a stoner surfer dude who has birds fly out of his asshole.
Don’t think I could agree more
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He’s 5 years older than the guy they’re using him to build up and has WAY more star potential. My comment was more condemning WWE for fucking up with him over the past 20 years but if they can even get 5 more years out of Orton full time then they should be focusing on making him the star he should have been as opposed to “using him” to build up a guy with FAR less potential than he ever had.
5 years older and a couple million more bumps
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there's a reason he's in a tag: its way easier on the body.
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That doesn’t really excuse the waste of bumps, which was my point.
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Orton should have been taking half as many bumps for twice the return.
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he's not doing much bumping these days. the guy with no shoes does all that. its the easiest pay check he's ever had
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takes a few years working tags. heals up. one final big push on his way out.
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That doesn’t really excuse the waste of bumps, which was my point.
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Old 05-03-2022, 08:35 PM   #746
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the bumps are virtually 0. thats the point of the entire endeavor.
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he *might* take 1 a night.
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well 2. the rko is just a giant bump.
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Right. But my point is the fuck up to this point. Again…

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Orton should have been taking half as many bumps for twice the return.
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Old 05-03-2022, 08:38 PM   #750
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is the issue just who he's tagging with? cause theres no scenrio other than going home thats going to lead to less bumps than he's taking now
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He wasted a shitload of bumps underachieving. Now he’s an “old man” bumping less to help put a young guy over who won’t actually get over. The entire return of the bumps is a fraction of what it should have been.
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oh over his whole run. i get you. yeah i think its very fair to summarize ortons entire run by "failed potential."
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i think thats on him though. he had every opportunity to transcend his status.
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Right. That was my point. I don’t really care what he’s doing now and I should.
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cant even begin to argue against that
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early on i thought he would be Cenas great adversary but honestly the main event scene was very crowded and he wasnt able to rise above his peers even after being given the keys to the kingdom on multiple occasions. his legacy will be inorganic. a manufactured memory of highlight videos.
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Was saying the other day somewhere how it is "weird" how Orton still isn't a "big deal" and is just "a guy like anyone else"
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early on i thought he would be Cenas great adversary but honestly the main event scene was very crowded and he wasnt able to rise above his peers even after being given the keys to the kingdom on multiple occasions. his legacy will be inorganic. a manufactured memory of highlight videos.
Well shit, he can join the club of inorganic legacies WWE will try to push as more of a success than they really were through a manufactured memory of highlight reels. That’s running rampant now and will be for the foreseeable future.

We can argue all day whose fault it was that he wasn’t more but when you look at what makes a star, Orton had all the tools. He came along in an era where the only game in town was no longer able to produce stars like the business as a whole used to be able to.
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objectively orton was around while cena was coming up. cena unquestionably is a star. is it fair to say they couldnt do it at the time when he was on the rise?


flash forward 10 years and i wont give much push back...but then? cenas tenure and social status are pretty high as far as wrestlers go. he's no hogan rock or austin but the number of people who "never watched wrestling even once" and still know cena is higher than nearly everyone to have ever done it before. i dunno. its a huge topic.
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