02-17-2020, 03:30 PM | #1241 |
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I'm gonna need to both of you to shut your dirty mouths. Look at Elias. Look closely. Listen. That's the second coming of the Macho Man in disguise brother and he just needs to be given the spotlight to show the world the MADDDDDNNNEESSSS.
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02-20-2020, 10:23 PM | #1245 |
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The Aries/DDP relationship is...interesting. They seem like very different sorts of people.
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02-21-2020, 06:39 PM | #1247 |
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What good is a contract that lets you work New Japan if New Japan isn't using the guys with that clause in their contract (other than Jericho and Moxley)?
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02-23-2020, 02:50 PM | #1248 |
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Major WM news being reported by both John Pollock of POST wrestling and Dave Meltzer of Wrestling Observer
The SD card has been completely tossed out. Vince changed his mind and all the rumored WM matches on the SD side are being changed. |
02-23-2020, 02:52 PM | #1249 |
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That doesn't sound very good.
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02-23-2020, 03:07 PM | #1250 |
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For whatever it is worth Meltzer also noted any quarter hour segment with Goldberg surges in the ratings (same for Mandy and Otis).
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02-23-2020, 04:10 PM | #1251 |
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oh God if they put that strap on Goldberg then we end up with a Goldberg v Roman v Bray mania match. PLEASE CAN WE DONT.
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02-23-2020, 04:46 PM | #1252 |
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Goldberg vs. Cena, Bray vs. Roman away from the belt and either Dolph vs. Otis or Dolph & Roode vs. Heavy Machinery.
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02-23-2020, 08:10 PM | #1253 | |
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02-23-2020, 09:06 PM | #1254 |
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Or better. Goldberg actually seems to have a positive effect on ratings. Goldberg vs. Cena, for example, would be a much more appealing title match for an ESPN+ or Amazon Prime too.
The SmackDown side has just been matches since the start. There's been no real stories commenced just yet that can't be paid off before Mania, at Mania or after Mania. Meltzer himself has been doing nothing but speculating since the start of the year saying "No one's told me this, but..." about things like Reigns vs. Wyatt, which would make sense, but haven't been anywhere near confirmed. |
02-24-2020, 01:08 AM | #1255 |
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lol yea lets put the other strap on an old guy who only shows up once or twice a year to collect blood money in 3 minute matches....and let's have a guy who has wrestled once in the last 3 years challenge him! That'll be huge! That'll fix everything!
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02-24-2020, 03:25 PM | #1256 |
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Lol, you’re seriously doubting that Goldberg vs. Cena would be a bigger deal than Reigns vs. Wyatt? Okay. It sucks they don’t have any full-time guys with proper main event charisma, but that’s a problem you can address later. Goldberg is someone you can sporadically bank on and shouldn’t be losing to a goofy gimmick.
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02-24-2020, 04:16 PM | #1257 |
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Have you invested in the company? I do find it amusing that your concerns lie in the finances of the company rather than enjoying the product that they're putting out. |
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02-25-2020, 12:09 AM | #1263 |
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Thinking that Wyatt’s loss will lead to an official babyface turn and he’ll have a win over Corbin at Mania.
WWE is definitely getting cold feet with the Fiend. Would be absolutely (but happily) shocked if he beats Goldberg. |
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02-26-2020, 12:29 AM | #1265 |
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You don’t need to apologize. You don’t owe anyone this.
Eh, if Johnny Gargano wants NXT to be recognized as the main roster, maybe NXT should draw as much as the main roster. |
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02-28-2020, 01:02 PM | #1267 | |
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02-28-2020, 01:13 PM | #1268 |
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Vince is senile. News at 11.
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02-28-2020, 01:45 PM | #1269 |
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WWE's pretty much has been facing a situation known as Founder's syndrome for a long while.
Not only can it be destructive for WWE in the long run, it also debunked the idea that Vince would be less hands-on or meddling with company plans due to him being busy with the XFL again. If anything, he might have gotten even more hands on than usual since supposedly he's also been meddling in NXT creative plans. |
02-28-2020, 03:43 PM | #1270 |
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Vince has clearly been stepping away. Everything has far more of a long-term vision, not only towards profits but in creative terms as well. You can see this on the television. This is reactionary to Bray Wyatt losing because Bray Wyatt is a gimmick and was never intended to be a star. He got the Universal Title because they fucked up Seth (with Seth’s help) and wanted to switch the belts.
Goldberg defending the Universal Title means more than Bray Wyatt in a Halloween costume doing it, folks. Not everybody can be a star. Taking a guy out of that position doesn’t mean you are completely changing your philosophy. And nothing may be announced on the streaming deal yet, but guess what? Then it will just air on the WWE Network. They’re either going to make hundreds of millions or just get more subscribers. |
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02-28-2020, 04:27 PM | #1272 |
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That's a more accurate report on the Bray/Goldberg stuff. Pretty sure Brock Lesnar is a heel character that has been protected more than Bray though, and that's going on right now. Meltzer again reaching back in time way more than he has to in order to make the WWE feel more antiquated.
Bray is not a star. He's a heel, but he's been the center of merchandising appeals because that's where his strength is. He's a gimmick babyface that can sell a few t-shirts and gloves to kids. And that's fine. They gave him 100 days with the belt and saw how it went, and Goldberg brought the interest in far more than he did. Of course they need to go somewhere with that, but let's not pretend that anyone was super-stoked about this "direction" that Meltzer himself was saying he was not sure about at the time of the Rumble. Did y'all really want to see Roman Reigns beat Bray Wyatt at WrestleMania? Really? And where were the actual indicators that was going to happen? It was made up in the fans' heads. Goldberg has been the special attraction they call when they want someone to come in and boost things up. Meltzer himself called him the "Bruno Sammartino" of this era. They're not bringing him in to lose to the gimmick that isn't drawing despite everything they've thrown onto him. They could have very easily had Goldberg beat Dolph Ziggler at Super Showdown. They could have very easily had him beat Robert Roode or Bobby Lashley or King Corbin. Making this sound like a senile accident or the only option they have when they use Goldberg is asinine. This is the route they're going because they see value in it, because there is value in it. |
02-28-2020, 04:32 PM | #1273 |
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If Roman beat Bray at WrestleMania, then that's 0-4 for Bray at Mania. Don't pretend that fans wouldn't whinge and sook about that. They got mad enough when Bray got beaten by Orton. The fans would start booing Roman. Bray would be exactly where he is now except they wouldn't have Roman where they want him either.
I'm not a fan of depending on the dumb-ass smarks to make your stories. There are ways to play them and bring casual fans along. The whole "Goldberg doesn't deserve it" story, if that's what they do, is bullshit. He beat the champ, he deserves it. Hopefully they make it look like the fans just decide to turn against him because of tall poppy syndrome and make the accent of Roman Reigns seem organic. Organic and the WWE are a tough sell together though. I'd still rather they have Bray beat Roman and Goldberg beat Cena. Give Goldberg an actual run and then have it come to an end with Roman. You don't need to rush to that. Move away from Goldberg when he stops drawing. But if they do Goldberg vs. Reigns, this is far more productive than Bray/Roman ever would have been. And if fans were honest with themselves for a moment, they'd realize that. |
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03-04-2020, 01:35 AM | #1276 |
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Wait, so Cody's tattoo is the symbol of for his collective, which he says represents individuality? OK.
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03-04-2020, 09:04 AM | #1277 |
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I was hoping that tat was fake tbh. It's fucking brutal, doesn't look like it's the most professional job, and it's just so huge and weirdly placed. It's awful all around. One of the worst tats I've ever seen.
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03-06-2020, 12:05 AM | #1280 |
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Meltzer mentioned today Vince has 'cooled' on Shayna and might be going in a different direction for Becky Lynch at WM now.
I saw some speculation on the observer board this could mean Liv Morgan vs Becky Lynch but Vince has apparently 'cooled' on Liv Morgan as well for not 'grabbing the brass ring' during the Lana feud. Some speculation Nia Jax might be brought back to face Becky at Mania if Vince passes on Shayna now. |