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Old 06-26-2007, 09:49 PM   #1
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:50 PM   #2
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Okay so I was watching Court TV and how ironic is it that they were showing a case where this man suffocated his wife and young son to death.
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:53 PM   #4
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Okay so I was watching Court TV and how ironic that they were showing a case where this man suffocated his wife and young son to death.
I was watching some old 24 earlier and a guy was strangling a girl and it was kind of weird seeing that.
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This is unreal man. I mean, Chris fucking Benoit. The head and shoulders biggest story in the history of professional wrestling.
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:51 PM   #6
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:54 PM   #7
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Benoit threw EVERYTHING away.
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Damn..WWE did the right thing though. But damn..Benoit went nuts..wonder why??
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:57 PM   #10
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I wonder how much of an effect on the locker room this is going to have.
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I just wish he sought help if he was having marriage problems or whatever. Like Bret said he thinks anyone in the entire roster would have helped out Chris and supported him if he was depressed or upset about something
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It has to be a devestating blow to the locker rooms morale. I bet many are heartbroken, but are also angry at what happened but it will take people a long time to get over.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:48 PM   #13
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Yknow what would have made this all better? If they found Benoit dead dressed in his old Pegasus Kid outfit, and they pulled him out of the house. Kinda like the scene on Airplane with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:02 AM   #14
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A woman tells News 1130 in Vancouver, B.C. that Chris Benoit's son Daniel had a condition called Fragile X syndrome. Wikipedia describes the symptoms:

Aside from intellectual disability (mental retardation), prominent characteristics of the syndrome include an elongated face, large or protruding ears, flat feet, larger testicals in men (macroorchidism), and low muscle tone. Behavioral characteristics may include stereotypic movements (e.g., hand-flapping) and atypical social development, particularly shyness and limited eye contact. Some individuals with the fragile X syndrome also meet the diagnostic criteria for autism. While full mutation males tend to present with severe intellectual disability, the symptomology of full mutation females runs the gamut of minimally affected to severe intellectual disability, which may explain why females are underdiagnosed relative to males.

The woman interviewed for the News 1130 story says her family was in contact with the Benoits, but they didn't want to go public with the disease and chose to keep things low profile. She added that families can be torn apart by the disease because it's very difficult to find help and support. She said, "You as a parent have to go out there and find what's available and it's not easy --they don't tell you."



W.K. Analysis: This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition.
That was sent to me. A link was in the midst of it, the commentary at the end i don't know where it came from, but that's interesting.
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:13 AM   #15
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Yeah that kid didnt look "normal" tbh
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:17 AM   #16
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Sane men who work their ass off for 22 years to become successful in their dream job, have a long history of being a respectful employee/friend and a wonderful family man; who works on making a marriage work for 10 plus years of his life don't just throw all of that away without having a major mental breakdown or mental disease.

What he did is absolutely horrible, tragic and unfathomable. However, by all accounts, I don't believe Benoit was an evil, cold blooded human being. CLEARLY though, I think Chris must have become very mentally ill and incapable of making rational, sound decisions and obviously not in control of himself.

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With that said, I still respect everything he did in that damn wrestling ring.



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Old 06-27-2007, 12:20 AM   #17
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When I saw him on TV, he looked about 3 years old.
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:30 AM   #18
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I will say I'm glad Chris' other 2 kids weren't in the house at the time, cause god knows it could've been worse. Can't even imagine how his ex will explain their Dad and brother's death to them
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I am no Monk by any means, nor am I any kind of a Behavioral Psychologist, but I'm thinking that it's possible that this disease, and the stress coming from treating it, may have had alot to do with Benoit's state of mind.

I'm not excusing it or condoning it, but it is a possible explanation.
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I'm normally disgusted by jokes that mock the dead...but in Chris Benoit case's, I say make fun of him all you want.
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Gonna have to say that it was very interesting going through the 16 pages of posts I missed since last night and seeing the range of emotions as well as the confusion over the facts and rumors.

It's hard for a lot of us to accept it, but it appears proven that Benoit murdered his family, then killed himself. We will never know why, and that will eat a lot of us up, because it's human nature to want to reveal the unknown. How could a seven year old have died by his own father's hand? It doesn't make sense. It never does. And yet, life is absolutely fucked up sometimes.

While I'm not going to instantly shun all of Benoit's 40 years of life, I can no longer look at him the same way, nor can I see his career in the same, formerly shining light. It's like OJ Simpson. How many people now look at him as one of the greatest wide receivers in football history, and how many people view him as a murderer who got away with it?

Reputation and character are always intertwined. And in the span of a nightmarish weekend, Benoit threw both away. Whether it was through immediate madness or the result of a gradual descent into delusion, the fact remains that he was obviously disturbed.

And as to why no one saw this coming... no one ever has the benefit of hindsight. That's why no one saw the VaTech killer coming. You can't just suspect everyone for the slightest little thing. So I wouldn't blame people for not seeing it until it's too late; that's human nature.

As for how the WWE is handling it now... I think this is the best they can do. Be serious and state the facts. Then take down anything that glorifies Benoit. Some might say that's too harsh, but that's the consequence. The WWE is handling this in the best way they can right now.
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It's like OJ Simpson. How many people now look at him as one of the greatest wide receivers in football history, and how many people view him as a murderer who got away with it?
Joe Montana was a quarterback, you idiot.
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Joe Montana was a quarterback, you idiot.
So yeah... I know you're just being you, but I can't find any way for that joke to make sense at all.
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So yeah... I know you're just being you, but I can't find any way for that joke to make sense at all.
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I'm a brit and luckily, we have CNN and Fox news over here. I heard about the press conference and switched on. My wife and I watched and it hit us hard. Throughout the whole thing, my eleven month old son was asleep in my arms.

I think that's when it dawned on me that it WAS Benoit that did it. When I was holding my little man and thinking that Daniel would never grow up, etc. I couldn't ever contemplate hurting my little boy, let alone entertain the thought of killing him. Benoit must have been pretty fucked up!!!
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Thoughts about the matter from the Sports Guy, Bill Simmons:
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rob, nc: Any comment on the Benoit situation, is this the end of pro wrestling, it seems like it would be hard to watch again after this.

Bill Simmons: I am still gathering my thoughts, waiting for all the facts to come out. It just doesn't seem like any non-wrestling fan realizes how huge this story is to everyone who actually follows wrestling - in my opinion, it's the biggest sports story of the year even though wrestling technically isn't a sport. Benoit was one of the 12-15 greatest wrestlers of the past 30 years. For the wrestling world, it's like the OJ thing all over again - only its worse because his little son was involved. It might be the single worst sports story since the Rae Carruth thing.

Bill Simmons: The weird part was the WWE inexplicably running the 3-hour Benoit tribute on Raw last night - by the time it re-aired on the West Coast, reports were starting to come out that it was possibly a double murder-suicide... I don't know how they let that show continue to run. One of the weirdest TV moments ever. I was really creeped out.

Carl (Lansing, MI): How come people condem wresting becuase of this but not the football because of Rae Carruth? Is it becuase people are looking for a reason to bash it? I never really liked it a ton after college, but I never understood why people have so much HATE for it.

Bill Simmons: Well, the bigger issue here is that pro wrestling has suffered an abnormal number of early deaths - actually, abnormal might not even be the right word. it's almost an epidemic. There have probably been more wrestlers die before the age of 45 in the past 15 years than every sport combined. And you knew the tipping point was coming, eventually, and now it's here. I don't know if wrestling will survive this one.

Adam (NY): So what does WWE do from here? With the macmahon death awkwardness floating over their heads I think they're going to lose a huge portion of their audience. They have to, right?

Bill Simmons: Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I think this could be it - it's going to be the dominant story of the next 2 weeks and everyone is going to bring up the death stats and all the crazy incidents that have happened, I don't think the average person realizes what a damaging sport this has been (physically and psychologically) to the people who do it. Again, I think we've reached the tipping point. Sorry to be so somber, but the Benoit thing... i mean, it's hard to explain how big he was in wrestling circles.

Bill Simmons: All right, let's switch gears...
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Wow, just wow.

I can understand alot of the emotions that are running high on here right now.

For one, Benoit definitly had some issues, no doubt. But at the same time, I can see why he could've done something like this, and while I'm not saying what happened was right at all, I can grimly understand that reasoning about not wanting the kid to have to live with such a grim illness to go and just "put him out of his misery". Think of a dog who is really sick, and it would be more peaceful for the dog to be "put to sleep" than to live the rest of its life with that illness that would cripple it. Same here. In Benoit's mind, he was mearly doing the right thing. Not sure if the description of the death of Nancy really adds up, though. Something in all of this doesn't seem correct, and it seems as though nothing will be truly clear until we get some kind of hard evidence (all we have are text messages, heresay, and reports of "might of, could of, was very possible, almost definite"). They really need to get some DNA or something (I'm being serious, too, here. We don't even have a fucking autopsy yet) to give us something concrete. Comb that scene, get anything you can FIND to give us what we really need, because something in this doesn't add up.

With that being said, I don't think it would be right to just throw away any of what Benoit's career meant like it never happened. Regardless of what we may think of what his human attributes were during those final days, fact of the matter is, he was a damn good wrestler, he was a damn good human being for most of his life (sans whatever THIS mess, and yes, it is a mess, says to us otherwise), and we shouldn't be looking at his athletic ability any different, to be honest with you. I certainly won't be.

Back to the actual situation for a moment, too, since I just thought of something while writing that last paragraph. Did anyone remember Chavo's testimonial on RAW? How he described Chris "missing the flight" or something? I'll have to go back and watch it again to see if I got this right, but wasn't he talking about that exact weekend? If Chavo was talking on the phone with Chris, and he was complaining about missing some flight, wouldn't Chavo, for one, be the last person to talk to Chris before the tragedy, and wouldn't that put Chris in a sort of out of place situation? Again, I will have to check it again (I have it saved on my DVR, so I can watch it again, not going to right now, though), but I'm pretty certain one needs to listen to Chavo's testimonial again, because that could be a VERY interesting piece of info.

Why am I seeing that these investigators are fucking this case up royally somewhere?
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I decided to watch Raw last night even though I wasn't sure if I shoujld.

I think Chavo said that having stayed with the Benoit's that he (Chavo) missed his flight whilst Benoit made his. I thik this was a different weekend.

The most resounding thing having watched Raw after knowing what had happened more fully was he testimonials given. It was so hard to hear the guys (and girl) talk about how much of a family man Benoit was. How much he loved his wife and kids. How they were the single most important thing to him.

Just sat there thinking how bad it must feel for the people who said those things to know the truth now. Even the little comments about how "intense" he was, or how "you couldn't escape him" or that he was "so private". It was all so surreal.

And my opinion o h stands like this. Benoit was one of my favourite wrestlers, he emboied waht wrestling is about, no nonesense, wrestlling machine. I loved to watch him work, but now, everytime I see his face, if I see him in a match, my thoughts are not "MAn this guy is/was good!", they're going to be "This guy killed his family."

It'll be a long time before I sit and enjoy (or even watch) a Chris Benoit match.
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I decided to watch Raw last night even though I wasn't sure if I shoujld.

I think Chavo said that having stayed with the Benoit's that he (Chavo) missed his flight whilst Benoit made his. I thik this was a different weekend.

The most resounding thing having watched Raw after knowing what had happened more fully was he testimonials given. It was so hard to hear the guys (and girl) talk about how much of a family man Benoit was. How much he loved his wife and kids. How they were the single most important thing to him.

Just sat there thinking how bad it must feel for the people who said those things to know the truth now. Even the little comments about how "intense" he was, or how "you couldn't escape him" or that he was "so private". It was all so surreal.

And my opinion o h stands like this. Benoit was one of my favourite wrestlers, he emboied waht wrestling is about, no nonesense, wrestlling machine. I loved to watch him work, but now, everytime I see his face, if I see him in a match, my thoughts are not "MAn this guy is/was good!", they're going to be "This guy killed his family."

It'll be a long time before I sit and enjoy (or even watch) a Chris Benoit match.
I'm not so sure if we should do that so soon. We still do not have any solid evidence linking one thing to another, and, in my mind (and this is just my own opinion right now, having being a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty), we're accusing Benoit too fast (God, I'm feeling uneasy saying that, but something in my gut is telling me to just not judge this too quickly, there's something else, and it's not just not wanting to believe the story or anything. I really do think, with all the issues regardling police investigations and not having one shread of DNA evidence being revealed or being looked at, that there's something not right). Steroids, abusive person, sickness, stressful business life and personal issues, whatever the hell else we're going to blame for this tragedy. It's funny that everyone has a different belief as to what could've caused it.

The only thing concrete they got (that they arre revealing to us) is something about a bruise on Nancy's neck. And you know, I'm puzzled about how QUICK they suddenly made that assumption that Benoit used his knee to hold her down (or that it WAS a knee-sized bruise). Think about this for a minute: In order to have that bruise come from ANY knee, think about how the human body would have to be positioned. He would have to be kneeling right on her, and whatever position you would think he could have to be able to DO such a feat, how in the fuck could he have been able to DO anything else (and I could make a safe assumption that he would want to be able to have some other type of leverage because such a bruise in that way would have to be going down REALLY hard, and Nancy DID have some long hair, and I would assume that it would give her SOME shielding)? He would have to keep his knee on her neck, while twisiting his body backwards, or be a complete contortonist. Picture yourself in that position. Plus, bruises, last I remember, are caused by actual hits, not doing what police are assuming. So, if Benot were to cause the bruise with his knee in THAT fashion, he would have to do a lunging knee drop onto her neck (one HELL of a feat), or be able to knee kick her in the neck. Both seem unlikely.

All I'M saying right now is that, by that alone, I'm thinking we have to wait for something that we can safely go on before we make all thee assumptions. Plus, OF FUCKING COURSE they are going to say Benoit did it. WHO ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO SAY DID IT?! Anyone know any other enemies the Benoit's had that would want to do something this disgusting?

And yes, I feel uneasy saying some of this stuff because there ARE alot of reports going around to say otherwise, but damn it, I can't accept what some of this stuff is as being looked into throughly.
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As much as I respect your right to belive all of that...I think you're clasping at straws.
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As much as I respect your right to belive all of that...I think you're clasping at straws.
As much as I respect your opinions, I hope to GOD you're wrong.

I may be. But part of me says to not accuse yet, and I'm just not going to until all the autopsies are done and we know everything, and no resonable doubt is left. Again, innocent until proven guilty.

Until then, we're basically putting Benoit's ghost and corpse in Gitmo.
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Lee I say this from my heart and you know how much I love dylan, the thought of doing anything like that destroys me.

But he must have been in a dark place, as you said we will never truly know what hapened in the house apart from how they were killed and he killed himsel.

From all the reports on him, from the testimonials, from what I've heard the guy loved his kid. So what the fuck happened

It's just a sad sitaution on all parts
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At this point, yes, yes I think we are.

Whatever caused it, Benoit went fucking nuts. I don't think he was in his right mind when he did it, and I feel pity for him for that, though not nearly as much as I feel for his wife and son. But, contrary to what we are led to believe on prime time cop shows, police investigators generally know what they're doing. If there was still a strong possibility that there was someone else involved in this incident, then the public would be asked for information. It seems that isn't the case.

I'm not sure if I will be able to seperate Chris Benoit the amazing in-ring performer from Chris Benoit the killer. Right now my copy of his DVD is sitting on top of a pile of DVDs that are going to be taken to a local store and sold for credit, because I don't think I'll be able to watch it again. Some other people might, not me. Anyone who saw me post yesterday knows that I wanted to see if there was more to this story that would make some sense out of it, but I never got it. So that's pretty much it at this point.
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But, contrary to what we are led to believe on prime time cop shows, police investigators generally know what they're doing.
Yeah, just ask 2Pac, OJ Simpson, Notorious BIG, Bill Clinton, and the people who Bush "knows" is a terrorist about that. They'll agree.

EDIT: Sorry, man, but that part kind of screams "Yeah, RIGHT!!"
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Yeah, just ask 2Pac, OJ Simpson, Notorious BIG, Bill Clinton, and the people who Bush "knows" is a terrorist about that. They'll agree.

EDIT: Sorry, man, but that part kind of screams "Yeah, RIGHT!!"
What you mentioned is about corruption, not ignorance or incompetence. Can you show me someone in law enforcement who is covering up facts concerning Benoit?
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