The WWE Future Endeavors Thread

[Tom Guycott]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect Heyman and MVP are where you could stop. I didn’t say the most managers, I said the best managers. No one touches them. The Usos have been on the main roster for 12 years now. The New Day have been together for 8. The Street Profits for 6. The longevity argument is an outdated one. Splitting up teams wouldn’t negate the argument that WWE have a good division anyway. Right now they’ve got aforementioned teams, RKBro, Alpha fucking Academy, The Mysterios, Ziggler & Roode, and the ability to put a bunch of other guys into the mix that currently aren’t cycled in (Edge & Priest, Gunther & Kaiser, Styles & Balor). It’s just an antiquated argument that they don’t have the teams available to produce top quality tag team stuff. It’s been the highlight on Raw. This is probably the strongest the division has ever been since The Hardys, E&C, The Dudleys, APA, Too Cool, Radicalz days. And I can’t think of another time where it was more important in the context of the show. RKBro and The Usos are just about to headline a PPV. I’ve also read that RKBro are MASSIVE merch movers for them. Hence why they don’t break them up. But the team has gotten over and worked. To say they aren’t one of the most important acts there right now is just absurd. Now compare that to AEW. Do Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus compare as champs to either WWE team? No. Are any of the teams true main event acts? No. They’ve got FTR, who are outstanding, but booked so terribly by the company. They’ve got alien belts no one cares about and have had to build up a reputation outside the show to get over enough to stand out. WWE had them in the first place, lol. WWE wants them now? They hired them anyway. FTR quit. Their greatness was well known before any AEW run. The anti-WWE lens skewers everything, and it tends to fall back on antiquated arguments and internet tropes that don’t hold true under examination.

They hold very true. You have apparently confused me with an AEW fanboy. I've been bitching about this type of stuff in WWE for ages. I myself never made the argument about AEW having a better tag division. Their shit sucks in a completely different way, starting with the notion that :Schiavone voice: "The Young Bucks are the greatest tag team in the history of our sport"... but it wasn't the topic. So please stop with the false equivalancy shit. This has nothing to do with the very clear and utter bullshit in AEW right now. AEW's nonsense is a different subject entirely. Cut that out.

Yes, the Usos have been together for MOST of their time in WWE (and initially were with Tamina), except when they weren't on those couple of times they had solo runs. New Day being together for 8 years has nothing to do with other teams being either randomly paired and/or broken up... and even there, they have been severed by the brand split more than once (but you prob'ly only remember the times they were considered "one person" and were drafted together). And on that, they were all almost fired because that forced positivity babyface BS they were on initially wasn't working, and as per usual, it was somehow "their fault" instead of just not being something fans wanted to see. They had to beg Vince to turn heel, which started them down the road to being together as a group for so long as talent the folks gave a shit about. On the other side of that fence, you had a team like The Major Brothers, who Vince decided after about two weeks that "nobody would buy them as brothers" even though nobody knew who the hell Brian Myers and Matt Cardona were on top of them having the same haircut and twinsy ring gear (and all that before they became Edge's stunt doubles for awhile). Meanwhile, that same company still to this day run with the kayfabe fantasy about Undertaker and Kane even though EVERYBODY knows better anymore.

I also wasn't making a blanket statement that EVERY SINGLE TEAM gets split, though it has historically happened a lot. The divison as a whole always gets minimized. They get flashes of resurgance, just like I said before, but it never lasts. And again, I'm only counting main roster men's belts. The NXT titles don't mean much, because it isn't even close to guaranteed that the teams holding them will survive as teams to the main roster. For every Street Profits still there and allowed to be themselves, you have your AoPs, or Blake & Murphys, or Enzo & Cass's-es. And the women's tag teams are just the "everyone gets a turn 2.0 belts". There is no real division, and very few actual women's teams to begin with... just mostly a series of loose alliances that makes little sense to have a division around.

Yes, RKBro is popular now, and a merch mover, but you know damn well they're nothing but another "odd couple" gimmick destined to be broken up. Most likely from Orton turning on Riddle - even though they may surprise everyone (doubt it) by having it go the other way. Alpha Academy is either the 4th or 5th tag partner for Chad Gable (I legit don't remember how many anymore), and second partner for Otis. They are literally both remnants of other teams that had been broken up.

For as poorly as they foster tagging as a division, it makes little sence to have two sets of titles other than the perception of USA and FOX not wanting one show to have something the other doesn't. On the company end, there are less teams and more angles and excuses for singles stars to "have something to do". Its more "let's form a stable... welp, guess these two guys are the requisite tag team". It's more "TAG TEAM MATCH, PLAYA!" type booking than actually fostering an environment for actual tag teams.

As for FTR, the gif of them with IcyHot on their nuts is the tip of the iceberg. Yes, they quit. Remember why? They said themselves WWE were about to saddle them with being a parody of 80s wrestlers in a comedic fashion. It was going to be another Ascention situation ("most dominant tag team" in NXT, made out to be jokes and never-wases on the main roster who talked big but never beat any one of note and got gangbanged by finishers from Legends teams that weren't even active on the roster anymore). Instead of being taken any sort of seriously, they were going to be part of the clusterfuck of guys chasing after the 24/7 Title. They were going to be finding new and creative ways to be taking the RKO. They were going to be footnotes; incidental guys who ate a pinfall or squeaked out a win in that one match where Singles Star A and Singles Star B began their feud and overshadowing anything The Revival did since that isn't and won't be the focus.

This isn't that "fedbad" bullshit that I'm already tired of. This is stuff that has precident and track records. This is the conclusion of the "baby we can change/we're listening to you fans" McMahon family promo that we've all made fun of. Tag team wrestling, midcard titles meaning anything whatsoever, and fostering anything close to a new career manager dies on the vine to ensure everyone oos and aahs at the fruit that is currently Roman Reigns, or previously John Cena, or whatever top-tier talent or market share ploy they consider worthy to throw ALL their attention into at the literal expense of everything else down the card.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Tom Guycott They hold very true. You have apparently confused me with an AEW fanboy. I've been bitching about this type of stuff in WWE for ages. I myself never made the argument about AEW having a better tag division. Their shit sucks in a completely different way, starting with the notion that :Schiavone voice: "The Young Bucks are the greatest tag team in the history of our sport"... but it wasn't the topic. So please stop with the false equivalancy shit. This has nothing to do with the very clear and utter bullshit in AEW right now. AEW's nonsense is a different subject entirely. Cut that out. Yes, the Usos have been together for MOST of their time in WWE (and initially were with Tamina), except when they weren't on those couple of times they had solo runs. New Day being together for 8 years has nothing to do with other teams being either randomly paired and/or broken up... and even there, they have been severed by the brand split more than once (but you prob'ly only remember the times they were considered "one person" and were drafted together). And on that, they were all almost fired because that forced positivity babyface BS they were on initially wasn't working, and as per usual, it was somehow "their fault" instead of just not being something fans wanted to see. They had to beg Vince to turn heel, which started them down the road to being together as a group for so long as talent the folks gave a shit about. On the other side of that fence, you had a team like The Major Brothers, who Vince decided after about two weeks that "nobody would buy them as brothers" even though nobody knew who the hell Brian Myers and Matt Cardona were on top of them having the same haircut and twinsy ring gear (and all that before they became Edge's stunt doubles for awhile). Meanwhile, that same company still to this day run with the kayfabe fantasy about Undertaker and Kane even though EVERYBODY knows better anymore. I also wasn't making a blanket statement that EVERY SINGLE TEAM gets split, though it has historically happened a lot. The divison as a whole always gets minimized. They get flashes of resurgance, just like I said before, but it never lasts. And again, I'm only counting main roster men's belts. The NXT titles don't mean much, because it isn't even close to guaranteed that the teams holding them will survive as teams to the main roster. For every Street Profits still there and allowed to be themselves, you have your AoPs, or Blake & Murphys, or Enzo & Cass's-es. And the women's tag teams are just the "everyone gets a turn 2.0 belts". There is no real division, and very few actual women's teams to begin with... just mostly a series of loose alliances that makes little sense to have a division around. Yes, RKBro is popular now, and a merch mover, but you know damn well they're nothing but another "odd couple" gimmick destined to be broken up. Most likely from Orton turning on Riddle - even though they may surprise everyone (doubt it) by having it go the other way. Alpha Academy is either the 4th or 5th tag partner for Chad Gable (I legit don't remember how many anymore), and second partner for Otis. They are literally both remnants of other teams that had been broken up. For as poorly as they foster tagging as a division, it makes little sence to have two sets of titles other than the perception of USA and FOX not wanting one show to have something the other doesn't. On the company end, there are less teams and more angles and excuses for singles stars to "have something to do". Its more "let's form a stable... welp, guess these two guys are the requisite tag team". It's more "TAG TEAM MATCH, PLAYA!" type booking than actually fostering an environment for actual tag teams. As for FTR, the gif of them with IcyHot on their nuts is the tip of the iceberg. Yes, they quit. Remember why? They said themselves WWE were about to saddle them with being a parody of 80s wrestlers in a comedic fashion. It was going to be another Ascention situation ("most dominant tag team" in NXT, made out to be jokes and never-wases on the main roster who talked big but never beat any one of note and got gangbanged by finishers from Legends teams that weren't even active on the roster anymore). Instead of being taken any sort of seriously, they were going to be part of the clusterfuck of guys chasing after the 24/7 Title. They were going to be finding new and creative ways to be taking the RKO. They were going to be footnotes; incidental guys who ate a pinfall or squeaked out a win in that one match where Singles Star A and Singles Star B began their feud and overshadowing anything The Revival did since that isn't and won't be the focus. This isn't that "fedbad" bullshit that I'm already tired of. This is stuff that has precident and track records. This is the conclusion of the "baby we can change/we're listening to you fans" McMahon family promo that we've all made fun of. Tag team wrestling, midcard titles meaning anything whatsoever, and fostering anything close to a new career manager dies on the vine to ensure everyone oos and aahs at the fruit that is currently Roman Reigns, or previously John Cena, or whatever top-tier talent or market share ploy they consider worthy to throw ALL their attention into at the literal expense of everything else down the card.

Sorry, I don’t agree with this. I’m critical of the automatic conclusion that “WWE doesn’t like tag teams,” “WWE doesn’t like managers.” I don’t think it is true. I provided my reasoning.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect Sorry, I don’t agree with this. I’m critical of the automatic conclusion that “WWE doesn’t like tag teams,” “WWE doesn’t like managers.” I don’t think it is true. I provided my reasoning.

lol you are such a twit