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Old 12-23-2015, 02:59 PM   #401
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I think Reavant and I hold the same feelings. I was wondering how much I would like this movie if it didn't have the star wars name on it and it was an entirely new IP.
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:46 PM   #402
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Reavant makes alot of great points, tbh.

Also, maybe I missed it, but is the Order different from the Empire? Thought they said it was but they use all the same stuff.
It was formed from those still loyal to the empire
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:52 PM   #403
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If you don't mind the quality being a little "meh" there's a site I watch it on that I'd be happy to rep you with. The episodes are usually 480 to 720 so they're not terrible by any means, and they've got all of them plus pretty much any other cartoon you can think of from the last 10 years or so.

If you would be so kind.
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:57 PM   #404
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Dunno why people were flipping their shit over Finn he is an awesome character and a trooper that can actually hit his targets.
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Old 12-23-2015, 07:47 PM   #405
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If you don't mind the quality being a little "meh" there's a site I watch it on that I'd be happy to rep you with. The episodes are usually 480 to 720 so they're not terrible by any means, and they've got all of them plus pretty much any other cartoon you can think of from the last 10 years or so.
Me too please.
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:00 PM   #406
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I'm mid-way through season 3 on Clone Wars. Keeps getting better "it seems". Will check out Rebels afterwards.
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:35 PM   #407
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:36 PM   #408
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:38 PM   #409
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I was pretty much bored through most of it except when the legends were on screen.
Well you're a clown and clowns have no souls so that's probably why.
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:43 PM   #410
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:45 PM   #411
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Is Clone Wars worth watching even though we know it all ends up being a meaningless war? It's not too kiddie is it?
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:49 PM   #412
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There are some "kiddie"-feeling eps, but also some "deep" eps, and some "good action".
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Old 12-24-2015, 12:39 AM   #413
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I started Clone Wars a few years back and found it incredibly boring (like much of the dreary prequels) so gave up after like 10 episodes, if even that.

Read a few things lately though like Darth Maul coming back and that Ahsoka bird meeting Anakin as Vader and stuff which sounded pretty sweet.
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Old 12-24-2015, 12:51 AM   #414
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With Episode VIII, do you think we see Mara Jade Skywalker?

Again, does Lando appear? If even briefly.

Maybe we see or hear mention of Rouge Squadron?

Ahsoka for real though? Could be cool.
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Old 12-24-2015, 02:06 AM   #415
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Only if Kylo Ren invents it in his mind. It won't be really Han since he wasn't a Jedi. It would just be a dream.

Aksoka only lessens Rey's importance of top woman. I don't think they would have had a series with a female lead if they knew there would be new movies where it would have more impact.

Billy Dee had back issues during filming so he wasn't available. Maybe he'll be better for later on.
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Old 12-24-2015, 02:16 AM   #416
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Ahsoka'a presence wouldn't affect Rey's importance at all if done right.
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Old 12-24-2015, 02:20 AM   #417
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STD that's stupid. That's like saying Han's presence lessen's Luke's or something. Don't complicate things. I like Rey.
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Old 12-24-2015, 04:26 AM   #418
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STD that's stupid. That's like saying Han's presence lessen's Luke's or something. Don't complicate things. I like Rey.
There is something to that or Mel Brooks wouldn't have combined them in SpaceBalls.
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Old 12-24-2015, 07:27 AM   #419
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Sith happens.

I hated the prequels too. Pretty much anything Star Wars-related that wasn't the three first films I'd like to see sent to a galaxy far, far away.
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Old 12-24-2015, 07:35 AM   #420
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Lando should come back. BDW must be dying to get involved in this ish. Serious bank to be made for him. I can't think of a high profile role he's had since TBB.
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Old 12-24-2015, 07:37 AM   #421
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No, ford is done with the movies

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Old 12-24-2015, 09:25 PM   #422
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Can anyone refute any of reavant's points? His point about Po is really bothering me.
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Can't really refute any of them.

Still enjoyed the movie.
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Old 12-24-2015, 11:13 PM   #424
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Why do we need an explanation about Po?

It's either completely irrelevant or something that can be explained later in another movie. Not everything needs to be explained. Also Kylo Ren seemed like a sociopath, because he is a sociopath.
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Old 12-25-2015, 12:36 AM   #425
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Read the book if you want his back story. He was the movies Biggs. Not a perfect fit because that would mean Finn was Luke and he didn't blow up.
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I left feeling very meh.

The story felt very small. I dont know how else to explain that statement. There wasnt an overall grandness to what was happening to me. I had all the nostalgic feels at first, but they went away as the movie progressed. There seemed to be no consequence at anything that happened, and really big shit did happen, but you didnt feel good or bad about it.

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When the republic planets got blown up, you had no connection to them. For example in the new hope, you knew that alderan was leias home, and vader explained beforehand what the station could do before he did it then blew it up in front of her.

This time, you didnt even really know it was coming, and they did it to an entire system, but you didnt really care because you never even got the name of the planets they blew up. Noone was from there and noone cared.


I liked how they did the villain. He was young and struggling with his powers. Not some killing machine like Vader. The tantrums were actually a nice touch. But he seemed like a complete sociopath.

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It was cool to see that he was Hans kid, but you saw it coming that he was going to kill Han. That whole scene was just duuuhhh. And the moment when he gave the sabre to Han like he was going to turn to the light, it felt like he was a sociopath playing with his food. He knew he was going to kill him and he did it that way to make it worse for Han. It looked like there was no inner struggle.


The main characters were done well and acted well, but I dont feel like I know them.

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yes Fin was a stormtrooper taken and brainwashed as a youth, but he broke that programming pretty fast and pretty easy, and when he said what he was, he had no emotion to it and neither did the audience. It was like "this happened" "ok cool... moving on"

Same with Rey. no parents and mysterious past. got it.

WTF happened to Po? He just shows up in an xwing. I mean he has like a 2 second explaination.


Starkiller base was real cool, but
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it was just there. They gave it almost no explaination and blew up a bunch of planets. It also went down the exact same way almost as the Death star.


The movie was almost the exact cut and paste plot as ep IV.
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The story did feel small, but that was on purpose. Re-watch episode 4 and you really get the same feeling. Sure, the Deathstar seems like a huge threat on paper, but think about it. Leia didn't even seem all that upset about watching her home planet get blown up. She just sorta sighs. No sobbing, no screaming, just a "well that fucking sucks". It looked like she found out her goldfish died rather than watching billions of people and everyone she ever knew or loved get vaporized. And even when they fight the Deathstar they don't send much of a fleet. Just like this movie the attack consists of a few X-Wings and that's about it. It wasn't until episode 6 that we got a truly grand feeling Deathstar battle.

Did you honestly care when Alderaan blew up? I can honestly say I've never met anyone who did. Sure, Leia was from there, but we as the audience had no real connection to it. It was just there. And like I said in my last paragraph Leia didn't exactly sell it. Hell, she just sorta forgot about it almost immediately and it's never brought up again.

Kylo was too nerdy in my honest opinion. The temper tantrums were laughable. Like seriously it felt like a SNL sketch spoofing Star Wars sometimes when he did that shit. I mean I laughed, but you shouldn't be laughing at the guy who's supposed to be your big villain in a movie like this. It was like watching an 80's cartoon most of the time. I will say though that it's not a problem if they're going somewhere with it. If he evolves from this over time thanks to his training with Snoke then I'll be totally behind it. The idea of a whiny little bitch turning into a badass machine of death is actually a good one, and is what Darth Vader was supposed to be. However, the prequels fucked all that up and Anakin never got the big payoff that should have come from it. Hopefully that's what they're doing with Kylo and it pays off.

The Han death scene I'll give you, but I don't think it was bad. Predictable =/= bad automatically. I feel like they did a good enough job of making it interesting, and I will give them credit for legitimately making me HATE Kylo Ren with a passion. Like I legit cheered out loud when Chewie shot the little bastard. I'll definitely be happy to see him die at the end of all this which is something I can't say I've felt for a bad guy in a movie in a long time. Good on them.

Finn's emotion (or lack thereof) over being a Stormtrooper is kinda understandable. 1) Star Wars isn't exactly known for showing lots of emotion in the first place (see Leia and Alderaan). 2) He was a Stormtrooper for literally 1 day. The dude was seeing his first combat ever and saw what was probably his only friend in the world die in front of him. It's totally understandable that he'd turncoat on the First Order when he never had any real connection to them in the first place. I'm honestly surprised more Stormtroopers didn't/don't turn.

Rey is mysterious for a reason. We're almost certainly learning more about her in the sequel movie. This wasn't meant to tell you everything. This is the first chapter in a series, not a stand alone movie. If they gave everything away now they'd have nothing to give us later.

I'm assuming you mean what happened to Poe after they crashed on Jakku, yes? Well, he tells us. He woke up in the desert after being ejected just like Finn was. Probably found a radio or something and had the Resistance send him a ship to pick him up. Pretty simple. If you mean where did he come from in the first place, well, why does that matter? We never find out much about Han Solo outside "he was a smuggler and pissed off Jaba" and finding even that much out took 3 movies. Like with Rey I say just give it time. They'll probably explain more about him later in another movie. Remember we're getting at least 2 more main series movies and a bunch of spin-off movies too. Hell, they could do an entire movie on each of the three main characters if they wanted, and they probably will.

As for Starkiller base and the comparisons to Episode 4, well, yeah that's exactly how it was. You're either gonna hate that or love it. I feel like they did just enough to make things feel fresh while also keeping a lot of familiar elements to give us that nostalgia feeling. And don't forget that George Lucas once said in an interview that he intended for the trilogies to "mirror" each other. I feel like Abrams was just trying to live up to that but in a good way instead of the shit way Lucas did with the prequels.
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I will take on the point of the Starkiller Base: The speech by Hux was enough to get the emotion of the thing. It wasn't emotion on feeling sympathy but it should have worked on that level because it was a heel promo. The look after Hux had destroyed the base was so great. It was like 'Holy shit. We did it! Oh fuck what the shit did I just do?" in one look. Great speech and he was really the movie's MVP for me.

Starkiller Base is named because it steals the energy of a sun to get its weaponry. Once it sucks the power from the sun it fires and the sun dies. Not sure if they saved the sun by destroying the base because there was no reverse button pressed. They might all still die if they don't leave the system.

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The story did feel small, but that was on purpose. Re-watch episode 4 and you really get the same feeling. Sure, the Deathstar seems like a huge threat on paper, but think about it. Leia didn't even seem all that upset about watching her home planet get blown up. She just sorta sighs. No sobbing, no screaming, just a "well that fucking sucks". It looked like she found out her goldfish died rather than watching billions of people and everyone she ever knew or loved get vaporized. And even when they fight the Deathstar they don't send much of a fleet. Just like this movie the attack consists of a few X-Wings and that's about it. It wasn't until episode 6 that we got a truly grand feeling Deathstar battle.

Did you honestly care when Alderaan blew up? I can honestly say I've never met anyone who did. Sure, Leia was from there, but we as the audience had no real connection to it. It was just there. And like I said in my last paragraph Leia didn't exactly sell it. Hell, she just sorta forgot about it almost immediately and it's never brought up again.

Kylo was too nerdy in my honest opinion. The temper tantrums were laughable. Like seriously it felt like a SNL sketch spoofing Star Wars sometimes when he did that shit. I mean I laughed, but you shouldn't be laughing at the guy who's supposed to be your big villain in a movie like this. It was like watching an 80's cartoon most of the time. I will say though that it's not a problem if they're going somewhere with it. If he evolves from this over time thanks to his training with Snoke then I'll be totally behind it. The idea of a whiny little bitch turning into a badass machine of death is actually a good one, and is what Darth Vader was supposed to be. However, the prequels fucked all that up and Anakin never got the big payoff that should have come from it. Hopefully that's what they're doing with Kylo and it pays off.

The Han death scene I'll give you, but I don't think it was bad. Predictable =/= bad automatically. I feel like they did a good enough job of making it interesting, and I will give them credit for legitimately making me HATE Kylo Ren with a passion. Like I legit cheered out loud when Chewie shot the little bastard. I'll definitely be happy to see him die at the end of all this which is something I can't say I've felt for a bad guy in a movie in a long time. Good on them.

Finn's emotion (or lack thereof) over being a Stormtrooper is kinda understandable. 1) Star Wars isn't exactly known for showing lots of emotion in the first place (see Leia and Alderaan). 2) He was a Stormtrooper for literally 1 day. The dude was seeing his first combat ever and saw what was probably his only friend in the world die in front of him. It's totally understandable that he'd turncoat on the First Order when he never had any real connection to them in the first place. I'm honestly surprised more Stormtroopers didn't/don't turn.

Rey is mysterious for a reason. We're almost certainly learning more about her in the sequel movie. This wasn't meant to tell you everything. This is the first chapter in a series, not a stand alone movie. If they gave everything away now they'd have nothing to give us later.

I'm assuming you mean what happened to Poe after they crashed on Jakku, yes? Well, he tells us. He woke up in the desert after being ejected just like Finn was. Probably found a radio or something and had the Resistance send him a ship to pick him up. Pretty simple. If you mean where did he come from in the first place, well, why does that matter? We never find out much about Han Solo outside "he was a smuggler and pissed off Jaba" and finding even that much out took 3 movies. Like with Rey I say just give it time. They'll probably explain more about him later in another movie. Remember we're getting at least 2 more main series movies and a bunch of spin-off movies too. Hell, they could do an entire movie on each of the three main characters if they wanted, and they probably will.

As for Starkiller base and the comparisons to Episode 4, well, yeah that's exactly how it was. You're either gonna hate that or love it. I feel like they did just enough to make things feel fresh while also keeping a lot of familiar elements to give us that nostalgia feeling. And don't forget that George Lucas once said in an interview that he intended for the trilogies to "mirror" each other. I feel like Abrams was just trying to live up to that but in a good way instead of the shit way Lucas did with the prequels.

Given the hype machine and history behind this, I suppose I expected more. I get the mirroring to the other prequels, but I was hoping for more of a resemblance, not reflection.

This brings me to my point on the death star. Acting in general was not the same as it is now especially in this genera so leave that out of it. However that was the first time an audience has seen something like that. A ship blow up an entire planet. So yea people cared if nothing other than it was shocking. This time there was not that factor and again no consequence. No jedis grabbing their chest, no ships coming out of hyperspace into a bunch of rocks, Nothing. The death star blowing up alderan put the cards on the table as to what the empire was all about. Other than more planets going down, nothing felt different.

You start off talking about Kylo like he is the big bad. Now he kind of is, but he is not there yet, and they tried to make that obvious. Theres nothing wrong with laughing at him and his actions. He is an angry child. That makes him interesting because of the potential he has in the future.

The death scene was shit. It was like watching a death row guy walk down the green mile. you knew what was going to eventually happen, but it was taking forever. Then, you had all the characters just watching it all go down without doing anything until it happened. Im sorry but it would make sense to me if they at least tried to get him to turn the fuck around. Then he killed him without remorse. I liked that he got shot too, but ugh whatevs.

The first order leader talked up how his brainwashing was perfect. Ok cool, but then you need to explain why fin dropped it the second he saw his friend's blood. Its not that emotion needs to be shown, but something. It doesn't matter if he had been a storm trooper 1 day or 20 years. They harp on the brainwashing so why is he different. Is it force sensitivity? explain or at least allude to something.

Yes rey is intentionally mysterious. One thing that irritated me was how fin was lying to her about being in the resistance, but when it came time to fess up to her, she was like ok yea no big deal. Now obviously it would have been cliché to have her be furious at him, but I feel like JJ abrams just pencil whipped the reaction to get over that plot point.

I mean the crash in Jakku. It was just "heres po in his xwing" yea he gives the explanation briefly but still it was slightly irritating.

I get that the trilogies like to mirror the plot, but the reason the originals were so cool was that they showed us things we have not seen before. They were ground breaking and I wanted them to mirror that here. Again, I expected more.
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Given the hype machine and history behind this, I suppose I expected more. I get the mirroring to the other prequels, but I was hoping for more of a resemblance, not reflection.

This brings me to my point on the death star. Acting in general was not the same as it is now especially in this genera so leave that out of it. However that was the first time an audience has seen something like that. A ship blow up an entire planet. So yea people cared if nothing other than it was shocking. This time there was not that factor and again no consequence. No jedis grabbing their chest, no ships coming out of hyperspace into a bunch of rocks, Nothing. The death star blowing up alderan put the cards on the table as to what the empire was all about. Other than more planets going down, nothing felt different.

You start off talking about Kylo like he is the big bad. Now he kind of is, but he is not there yet, and they tried to make that obvious. Theres nothing wrong with laughing at him and his actions. He is an angry child. That makes him interesting because of the potential he has in the future.

The death scene was shit. It was like watching a death row guy walk down the green mile. you knew what was going to eventually happen, but it was taking forever. Then, you had all the characters just watching it all go down without doing anything until it happened. Im sorry but it would make sense to me if they at least tried to get him to turn the fuck around. Then he killed him without remorse. I liked that he got shot too, but ugh whatevs.

The first order leader talked up how his brainwashing was perfect. Ok cool, but then you need to explain why fin dropped it the second he saw his friend's blood. Its not that emotion needs to be shown, but something. It doesn't matter if he had been a storm trooper 1 day or 20 years. They harp on the brainwashing so why is he different. Is it force sensitivity? explain or at least allude to something.

Yes rey is intentionally mysterious. One thing that irritated me was how fin was lying to her about being in the resistance, but when it came time to fess up to her, she was like ok yea no big deal. Now obviously it would have been cliché to have her be furious at him, but I feel like JJ abrams just pencil whipped the reaction to get over that plot point.

I mean the crash in Jakku. It was just "heres po in his xwing" yea he gives the explanation briefly but still it was slightly irritating.

I get that the trilogies like to mirror the plot, but the reason the originals were so cool was that they showed us things we have not seen before. They were ground breaking and I wanted them to mirror that here. Again, I expected more.
Honestly the only reason the Deathstar scene was "bigger" was because, as you said, it hadn't been seen before. Now pretty much every Sci-Fi movie has a planet destroying thingamajig in it. I mean it's just kinda impossible to get the same reaction from people when they've seen something before. It's like seeing a magic trick or hearing a joke. The first time it's great, but every time you see it after it's gonna lose more and more punch. They did the best they could by making the stakes bigger with a whole system instead of a single planet, but even if they had given us more reason to care it wouldn't have mattered because we're all pretty jaded now. We've seen billions of people die in pretty much every blockbuster movie released over the last 20 years. It's old news. The only way I could see it actually having any real impact would be if they'd had them destroy a planet that a major character was on, and if they'd done that it would have hurt the plot. Han was already gonna die, and they clearly have something planned for Leia. I just don't think they could have done what you're asking in one movie. Maybe if they waited to show us Starkiller base until movie 2 or 3 I guess.

I totally get that, and that's why I said that Kylo could potentially have a great payoff and be a good villain. However, based solely on what we got in this movie he was pretty much shit. Like if this was it and we never got another movie then Kylo would basically go down as the worst villain in recent memory. Of course this isn't the end, but I'm just saying. Plus we don't know if that really is where he's planned to go. I mean the prequels managed to fuck that whole thing up so I think it's understandable to be a little weary of it happening again.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the Han death scene. Personally it was tear jerking for me, and I had already had it ruined for me before seeing the movie. It wasn't about the surprise of it, but rather it was about the act itself. We knew and loved this character. Han was a part of anyone who grew up with the original trilogy's life. Seeing him die, no matter how it happened, was heartbreaking because it was like losing an old friend. And what made it worse was that we were losing that old friend after just getting him back after 30 years of waiting.

Sure, the order did talk a lot about their brainwashing being perfect, but just because someone claims something is true doesn't mean it is. I mean it would have been nice to maybe see a bit more development or something, but it's not really that farfetched to believe that someone would just break after entering real combat. My older brother was in the military. Growing up he was uber patriotic just like my dad, but after seeing real combat he became a lot more jaded. He didn't desert or anything like Fin did, but even to this day he doesn't have that same sort of "America!" zeal he used to, and he was actually expecting to go into combat from day one. From the way Fin talks he was a janitor and whipping boy for most of his early career. Honestly it sounds like he was never really all that supportive of the First Order in the first place, and honestly it seems like a lot of them weren't. Even the leaders of the Order broke when shit hit the fan. Anyone who was really that brainwashed would have rather died than turn off those shields, and any commander who believed that strongly in the cause would have gone down with his ship (or base in this case) instead of abandoning it. I mean it just doesn't seem like the First Order are really anywhere near as loyal or "brainwashed" as they claim to be. I think that line was really just more of a showing of bravado rather than any kind of actual truth.

Fin lying to Rey wasn't all that big of a deal in my opinion. I mean I guess she could have been a little more angry, but honestly given what they had just gone through together, and the fact that he'd helped her thus far so much I think it was perfectly acceptable that she didn't care. I mean, shit, if I had just stolen a legendary spaceship, escaped an evil order of space Nazis, met Han freakin' Solo, and escaped death by tentacle monster with someone who stood by me through all of it I'd be pretty understanding of a little lie like that. It's like, so what if he's not with the resistance? Dude's still a loyal friend that clearly has my back.

I will concede that I wouldn't have minded a little more from Po, but given the length of the movie I think anything with him explaining Jakku more would have just been a waste. I mean I'd rather they cut that then cut something that did make it into the movie. Like I said it probably wasn't that big of an adventure anyway. Probably just him wandering the desert for a day or so, finding a town, and then borrowing someone's radio to call for help.

Overall I don't fault you for being a little disappointed though. I mean they did hype the hell out of this. I never fell for the hype though. Honestly I wasn't impressed at all with any of the trailers or anything. I went into this expecting virtually nothing. Like I almost had lower hopes for this than I did for episode 3 simply because at least with episode 3 I knew I was getting shit. With this I wasn't sure what I was getting. So for me going in with zero expectations I came out hugely surprised with what I did get. I think most of your feelings probably stem from being over hyped for this than anything.
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Finally got to the theater to see this movie. I liked it and felt they did a good job of not overdoing the cameos. Felt like a original Star Wars movie unlike the prequels.
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Big fan of the movie. I'm sure there are a bajillion reasons not to like it but I was too busy enjoying it.
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Took a cousin of mine that had never seen any of the movies and he really enjoyed it.
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Finally seen this. Long story short I liked it. Been bouncing around catching on discussions and criticisms and debates and speculations. While it's still fresh in my head here's my run-down, as well as replies/co-signs to stuff from this thread. I wanna remind again, that I like this movie.

- Yeah, this plot is almost carbon copy of A New Hope. Heroes coming together by chance, super-weapon, references to past legendary battles (though it's cute and that we are now totally in the know of these past battles. We're old guys; the original trilogy is today's Clone Wars), myths of past Jedi, even the planning stage scene complete with holo power points. This is almost a remake of A New Hope. This skews things for me in regard to people talking how much this feels like a Star Wars film. I'm sure what people mean is 'tone', less robotic dialogue of the prequels and more 'hell of a ride' scenes. However, I would challenge that it had very little choice but to feel like Star Wars since the movie kind of... cheats a bit by recycling so many beats from the most beloved era and most beloved movie. Was it too much biting? I give slack for it being the kick-off of a new trilogy and it works as kind of a reintroduction to the brand. It does put a question in mind: Can a new Star Wars movie feel like a Star Wars movie without recycling almost exact plot beats from other Star Wars movies?

- This is an aesthetic issue for me, and one I understand if people don't really mind: Why are X-Wings and TIE Fighters still in use? This era is as far removed from the Death Star era as that was from the Clone Wars. The mechanic designs of the Clone Wars were obviously echoing the curvy 60's tech in comparison to the then modern Death Star era. And yet, going from that to what we can assume is 'present time', they are still using X-Wings and TIE Fighters. Cars today do not look like cars from 30-40yrs ago. This was the logic in Clone Wars era vehicle design. This gets me because the lack of attempt in updating the war machines shows me the downside of Abrams' obvious adoration for the original trilogy. This combined with the plot issue gives me almost the exact same 'I like it but...' feeling I had with Superman Returns.

I'm afraid nostalgia may have hindered this movie's potential.

- Although I found it hilarious in a way; seeing a Storm Trooper mourn the death of another was kind of a game changer for me. I would like a Storm Trooper movie now. Just those fuckers living in a universe working for insane people, surrounded by super heroes and villains. Make the Chrome chick the big bad or whatever. Speaking of her...

- "Ohhh look at the chrome trooper. Holy shit it's a woman. This is who's playing her. Let's interview her. So much mystery. She looks badass. Definitely the new Boba. Abrams is saying very little, can't wait to see her..."

Scene 1: "Report to the principals office, trooper." "Yes, ma'am."
Scene 2: "I'M THE BOSS NOW." "You again? Dammit."
Scene 3: "You're making a big mistake." "throw her in the trash."

I get really annoyed when Abrams pulls shit like this. You go out of your way to put her in the best trooper armor ever, talk her up, then blow her off without any hint as to why she's even captain of anything. No fight scene or anything. Fuck, you could have gave her the Vibra-Tongfa duel with Finn - THAT would have had narrative payoff and elevated her threat level. Maybe in the next one she'll turn out to be Mandalorian or something, but big let down on Phasma.

- "How did you get Luke's lightsaber?" "Tell you later. lol"

You don't get to do shit like this, Abrams. If you want your 'Oracle' sans cookies, I get that. In fact it's quite inspired. I like her. But it really felt like you needed to get that thing in the heroes hands with minimal fuss. And given other reveals, it might just be, "Hey can you hold this for me?"

- Finn is my fave character of the movie. The most relatable, and very funny. Making this clear because I'm gonna tear into 'Reyny Sue' in a bit.

- Han Solo. Yeah his end was telegraphed and I think they should have Walking Dead his ass with out of nowhere stab from lil Ben. Again, I can only imagine it was that drawn out because Abrams wanted to give Solo a dramatic send off, but it was at the cost of shock factor. Kylo should have came out of nowhere and shanked him. Sure keep the face touch thing, but I would have kicked the audience in the balls with that one. Great to see Solo being Solo, though.

- General Leia (not Jedi Knight/Master Leia? I guess). I can't help but want to know more about whatever kind of break up she had with Han. Whatever went down with Luke and Kylo split them up, and I'm very interested in knowing that story. Also; why is she a resistance fighter? More on this new conflict >>

- So it's La Resistance vs The First Order? How in the holy shit did the good guys wind up as under dogs again, after literally blowing up the Empire? What kind of politics in the last 30yrs didn't set up all manner of laws and militaries to keep anything like the Clone Wars and Death Star Wars from happening again? This for me is a huge gaff that may actually have an interesting answer, but it makes the Republic look inept to allow The First Order to reassemble remnants of the Empire the way it did. Even if they stationed on the Outer Rim territories. This is a head scratcher for me.

- I'm gonna let the medieval hack and slash choreography of the big duel slide on the count that a) Finn rightfully has no clue what he's doing, b) Kylo is a poor tempered rageaholic and c) for the first time in Star Wars nobody actually has a direct line to a seasoned duelist. It makes sense that these are kids with swords just kind of hurting other.

But I am a huge fan of the Nick Gillard choreographed saber duels of the prequel era. Now that Rey presumably found a master, perhaps duels will get good again going forward.

Now let's talk about Rey after a quick snack.
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