[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 With all due respect to Pac, compared to Moxley in terms of star power, there is no comparison whatsoever. It's part of the reason I have a hard time believing he will go to AEW, because why would he go just to put over the AEW core? It's not for the money, and unless he is gonna be the top guy, he is gonna be just as unhappy with his booking there, and there he won't have his wife. As far as Pac, after thinking about it more, I don't blame him at all. If AEW is supposed to be all about wins mattering, why would anybody want to do jobs? I mean Goldust will for his brother, but other than that you are gonna get a bunch of Rybacks who won't job unless they are getting just as much money as the winners so as not to devalue their worth by taking losses. Pac is a bigger star than Page, so why should he take a loss? This is what happens when you give talent the option of calling their own shot, you get guys who will take advantage of that for their own benefit.

I agree that there is no comparison to general audiences, or to whatever casual WWE audience there is, but we're talking about a hardcore wrestling crowd. The traditional "he's a star"/"he's not a star" metrics are kind of null and void with this audience at this point in time. PAC is someone that they should build as a star for whatever audience they hopefully grow.

It's not always about winning and losing when it comes to happiness. Moxley can make good money with AEW and probably get to cut his own promos and have a say over the direction of his own gimmick. And he probably will be treated as one of their biggest stars early out the gate. I don't have problems seeing him there at all.

I think you might be taking the wins and losses thing a bit too seriously. But then again, I think AEW might be doing that too. I also don't think it's a problem giving talent more autonomy over their creative direction. Wrestling has needed that back for a long time.

This is just bad planning and perhaps a bad overarching philosophy.

Originally Posted by Slik I don't think this is that big of a deal tbh It's unfortunate PAC backed out - but until the show airs and I see a product I am not going to judge AEW in a negative light. And even then, if the first show, or couple shows have some tough bits I am going to chalk it up to growing pains. I do agree w/ the pricing being too high but I am sure I will spend the $ regardless.

It's really cool you are willing to cut them that slack and spend that money. You're not wrong for doing so. It's just not a guarantee that other people will be as patient and forgiving as you. I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay even less than 50% of what you yanks are paying for this show now, and I've been highly positive about them. $50 is just way out of the question for me. Nope, not happening.

I accept that they are going to have growing pains, and if this were an injury or some sort of wanky contract thing that has blind-sided them, I'd be more forgiving. But if this is just them being dumb fucks and having an impossible planned finish, then I chalk that up to stupidity as much as I would WWE.

I do hope fans are more patient with them than they are WWE. Especially early days. But they're not entitled to that, nor guaranteed it.

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat Rumor going around the net hints that it wasn't just "creative issues" for PAC's removal from Double or Nothing and more changes might be on the way for the event's card. Supposedly AEW got hit with similar visa-related issues that plagued NJPW's recent US shows and all due to how strict the US government has become under President Trump for allowing foreign wrestlers to work in the country. Also seems AEW's partnership with China's OWE is once again not as strong as previously assumed since OWE recently partnered with Canadian based SMASH and might be considering plans for their talent to work in Canada instead of the US.

I would be a bit more forgiving if there were visa issues, because that's administrative legal stuff way out of their hands. The OWE thing is weird, because I don't know why they would choose a small-time Canadian promotion over something going to get TNT exposure.