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As a Yankees fan I see the otherside of pitch counts: inability of some pitchers to condition themselves past them-- Joba and Phil Hughes are prime examples. And body type is a main point I was making as a component of when pitch counts ought to be necessary. They are not something to be used in all cases, but for those who most need them in order to develop. And I did mean former reliever Scot Shields who was known in college for his freakish arm and its lack of frailty. I respect your side Drebs, and I'm not calling for teams to abolish them but to be more prudent In using them rather than treating all pitchers universally.
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