Super Smash Bros Ultimate
 

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Yeah I'm down. Unbelievable package.

I wonder how many people would have legitimately complained if Pichu didn't return.

We already got tiers baby
 

<table class="maintablecss" align="center"><thead class="tableheadcss"><tr><th class="tableheadercss">Tiers</th> <th class="tableheadercss">Super Smash Bros Characters</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody class="tablebodycss"> <tr class="tablerowcss0"> <th class="tableheader2css">S Tier
The Best</th> <td class="tablecss">Fox, Falco, Marth, Cloud, Bayonetta, Meta Knight, Ridley </td> </tr> <tr class="tablerowcss1"> <th class="tableheader2css">A Tier
Strong</th> <td class="tablecss">Rosalina, Inkling, Diddy, Young Link, Sheik, Ryu, Roy, Little Mac </td> </tr> <tr class="tablerowcss0"> <th class="tableheader2css">B Tier
Good</th> <td class="tablecss">Shulk, Duck Hunt, Mega Man, Wolf, Samus, Kirby, King Dedede, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Captain Falcon, Ness, Lucas </td> </tr> <tr class="tablerowcss1"> <th class="tableheader2css">C Tier
Average</th> <td class="tablecss">Wario, Lucina, Corrin, Zelda, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Ike, Mr. Game and Watch, Pit, Dark Pit, Villager </td> </tr> <tr class="tablerowcss0"> <th class="tableheader2css">D Tier
Below Average</th> <td class="tablecss">Mario, Link, Luigi, Olimar, R.O.B, Daisy, Sonic, Bowser. Jr, Greninja, Robin, Peach </td> </tr> <tr class="tablerowcss1"> <th class="tableheader2css">E Tier
Weak</th> <td class="tablecss">Wii Fit Fighter, Pac Man, Bowser, Dr. Mario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong </td> </tr> <tr class="tablerowcss0"> <th class="tableheader2css">F Tier
The Weakest</th> <td class="tablecss">Jigglypuff, Pichu </td> </tr> <tr class="tablerowcss0"> <th class="tableheader2css">Confirmed Characters
Unranked</th> <td class="tablecss"> Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Mii Gunner,
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says who?

Jigglypuff is SSSS tier.

Always liked using bowser

This is a very buff happy update. Few nerfs for the obvious offenders. Zelda is gonna be great. I hope Shulk's recovery will be addressed. I really tried making him work.

Now that Ridley is finally playable, Waluigi being playable is likely the big surprise for the next Smash Bros game.

Still wanta source for this. Mario won the pro tourney today. AS USUAL. Finals were mario v sonic.

Whatever tier list some dude puts together is not some safe bet that a certain match-up will end a certain way. Tier lists are heavily predicated on player being equal skill so the only possibly variables are the designs of the characters. And segmenting tiers with so many levels is elitist posturing; there's no way to quantify how Toon Link is above Link by a tiny degree. Tiers should have four levels; Garbage, Balanced, Strong, Broken.

If mario is consistently played by the top players on earth then he isnt anything other god tier

Mario almost never gets a major. It's been Bayo for a long while due to some horseshit in her design. Mario is 'Strong', not broken.

Some new info be droppin:

https://youtu.be/P-kQWJrjRV4

This game has everything.

I really like the option to have smash supers obtained by meter.

I wish more companies took their sequels seriously like Smash and GTA does. Instead of just releasing roster changes each year.

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The Belmonts have been my personal get them into Smash goal since Melee. They're a huge part of Nintendo's past successes that to exclude them can be traced to Konami being morons who hate money. Glad to see them included with all they're fancy toys.

Castlevania stage is gonna be insane.

thats some late news ya got there

I know but no one put it in the thread. Thought "casual smashers" might like to know.

I don't get why Walugi isn't playable now.

As far as I'm aware, the "official reason" is Sakurai doesn't think the support for him is genuine. So, because he's a meme?

Ridley being "too big" was a meme and Daisy support was a meme. A smaller meme but it was there with a bunch of people spamming comments and stuff on Nintendo things with "Daisy 4 Smash" etc. They both got in. Ridley's reveal even referenced the meme.

I think it's just an excuse. Either he's not popular among the dev team (or with Miyamoto) or there is some internal rule about not using him outside of sport spinoffs.

He's got a bigger fanbase than Daisy, meme or not, he's got more move and gameplay potential than Daisy and he's definitely more relevant than Daisy.

It's great Daisy and Ridley are in I'm just hugely disappointed Waluigi isn't in as a playable character. It seems so obvious to add him.

Do we need every Mario character in?

Should we add Saria, Impa, Skull Kid, Naboru, and Navi?

Well we have pretty much the whole cast of Fire Emblem so why not?

fire emblem has 100s of characters...smash has...4?

Waluigi as DLC makes sense to me

I know. I was exaggerating. Adding Waluigi wouldn't be "adding every Mario character" as Big Vic implied. I felt they were exaggerating so I responded the same way. No ill will intended to Big Vic.

FE has 7 characters as of right now. That wouldn't be a problem if there was more variety. Marth, Roy and Lucina are the same character, aren't they? Just tweaked values and stuff? Why didn't they bring in someone with a hammer or something? My knowledge is limited to FE Heros so I can't name names.

Mario does have the most characters, I think, but that's the flagship series so it makes sense. Waluigi would just round that out perfectly. He's the missing piece, I'd say.

Hopefully.

Some would say he's an Assist Trophy so he can't be playable but the moon from Zelda is an AT and is a background character in the Termina stage.
It's not quite the same but will they have two moons if the moon AT is used on Termina or will that AT be altered or not appear on that stage? They probably wont change anything.

Whatever they do with the moon, they can do similar with the Waluigi AT when/if they make him playable.

Oh believe me I think there is too many FE as well.

Please no DLC, I hate DLC.

There's gonna be DLC. Square with that.

Waluigi should obviously be added, that's not unreasonable.

Mario Bros having a lot of reps is no issue since if any franchise should get special treatment, why not fucking Mario?

Skull Kid would be cool now that you .mention it.

Nintendo pretty much still views him as nothing more than just a joke character and have debunked or ignored anything that could make him unique over the years (ex. Wario's bro idea).

The most character development he's gotten in years was the running gag around the net of Nintendo saying he was uncircumcised.

Still feel very confident they put him in the next game since he's pretty much the most demanded character left for Smash. Could probably make a case for Geno being higher and Shovel Knight likely being playable before Waluigi.

You're putting way too much thought behind a game that added Game & Watch, Pichu, and Dog Hunt Dog. None of them I'd call iconic, all of them basically joke/stunt additions. Not to mention characters have made their name beyond their own origins as 'Smash' characters. Captain Falcon, Roy, and Lucas are almost entirely known now as Smash characters.

Not sure about Pichu but all those characters listed had their own game or were the main characters for a game/series which isn't the case with Waluigi.

At least with Ridley, Sakurai gave an excuse even if it turned out to be flimsy in the end for his omission until now. With Geno, speculation usually revolves around Square owning the rights to the character for his omission.

With Waluigi, Nintendo can't even be bothered to make any excuse for his omission. They currently see him as nothing more than Assist Trophy worthy for the Smash series.

Lol what? this is fake right?

https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/n...mcised-reason/

If there was one character that didn't need to come back it was Pichu.

Yeup. The website is very similar to The Onion for comedy and satire.

Everybody came back tho.

I have a theory. There are 70 characters revealed so far (PKMN Trainer is counted as 3 on the site but they are one slot so they are one character) and Smashdown, so far, could be played 17.5 times with 70 characters and 4 players.
It would be weird if the mode ended with a couple of characters left over, so I think we'll get two more characters, at least, making Smashdown use all the characters available regardless wether it's 2, 3 or 4 players.

If that happens and we get DLC, which we will, I think the number of DLC characters would need to allow for everyone to be used in Smashdown.

It's flimsy, I'll admit, but I'm sticking with it.

Some people think he's in and that this was a hint:

https://i.imgur.com/pPaVNkt.jpg

The chairs on the right are the colours of hiss fairies, Tatl and Tael, and the couch on the left is the colour of Skull Kid, along with that weird pattern on the cushions looking like his hat or something. Plus, he's not been shown as an assist trophy.

Whoa people go deep into those videos.

The waluigi fandom is very...passionate

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Some of those 'deaths' were hilarious. Laughed out loud at the Squidlings trying to avoid it. Nintendo HAS to know that was comedy.

We have to analyze the background guys

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Guesses on the 5 season pass characters:

(Note that they come with their own track packs, possibly being from individual franchises)

- Shantae, Half-Genie Hero. Cult fave character with great music and unique ability set.
- Banjo & Kazooie. Former Nintendo icon and fellow Rare classic. Probably a given.
- Rayman. Another cult fave who fits well into the general 'vibe' of Smash's roster. Close working relationship with Nintendo, not common for 3rd parties.
- Spyro. Wildcard pick, considering his home.
- Goku.

Shante is already a sticker so I'm guessing she wont be playable.
Isn't B&K owned by Rare which is owned by Microsoft?

Which leaves room for Bimmy AND Jimmy :cool:

Rayman is likely due to ubisofts and nintendos relationship. Others are 1% chancers

I laughed when Kirby got away since he's Saks creation

Also i dropped my preorder after they released NSO. No thanks.

Waluigi
Midna w/ Wolf Link
Crash Bandicoot
Rayman
Spyro

Those are my guesses.

Also, 5.99 isn't a bad deal for a new character, new stage, and music pack.

God Nintendo. Do you just want access to my bank account or what?

I hate how people are complaining that Sak the "direct" was too long and all the information Sak was giving was not exciting.

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Wolfs smash attacks nerfed :/

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I legit thought this was the real commercial and not a re-sync

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Shantae is a sticker so, assuming a character can't appear in multiple forms, that rules her out.

Banjo & Kazooie are owned by Microsoft but there was that tweet during the Smash Ballot where some big guy at Xbox said he'd love to have B&K in Smash. So I can see that.

Rayman was a trophy in Smash Wii U and there was Peach Rabbid Sticker shown in the Smash Direct. I'd say he's also in with a good chance.

Spyro seems unlikely, even as a wildcard.

The thing that concerns me is B&K and Rayman are big in the west, or mainly Europe for Rayman. In Japan, are they anywhere close to being as popular? I feel a lack of Japanese popularity could reduce a characters chances.

Well K Rool is very specific to Donkey Kong Country which was a western platformer. And surely at this point Sakurai considers Smash a global game where not every character needs to be big in every territory. America and Europe know Banjo very well so that should be enough.

Dixie Kong would make a cool Echo Fighter for Diddy. Lot you can do with her ponytail helicopter thing.

I'd like to see Crash in before Banjo and Rayman

Well that's cause you're a lunatic.

Crash is more iconic than those other 2.

The Rabids are more iconic than Rayman at this point.

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In terms of kinda-funny troll marketing toward an obviously superior company, maybe. But I have no idea what got into the water months ago when Crash Remastered came out and everybody's pretending he was some critical thing back then. Nostalgia is often reserved for cool old things rather than 'any' old thing. It was very bizarre. I distinctly remember nobody, absolutely nobody, impressed with Crash Bandicoot. The Blockbuster demo kiosk had dust on the controller (it was next to the N64 demo station). Crash is trash, Nights did the linear movement thing way better in that era.

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...And that's why Banjo should be in Smash.

I remember differently, people with a ps1 loved crash.

They probably liked Ridge Racer.

This. And even those who didn't like Crash knew who he was. He was Sony's de facto mascot for several years. Crash on his worst day is far more recognizable than Banjo on his best.

The Banjo games were way better though, ijs.

Yeah I myself never got into Crash (N64 4 Lyfe) but I can't deny how iconic he was/is

Crash was as close to a mascot the ps1 had. Much more well known than banjo or ray an, even if they had better games.

Also, on the subject of rayman can I please get a rayman game that is just all music levels like the ones in legends?

Thanks.

Supposed to be getting it tmw and it only just now shipped.

TOMORROW! EEEEEEEEEEEEE!

The Joker is in smash bros









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Just Joker

The Joker is completely different lol

lol Yeah just a bit of mild trollin by me.

Smash get. World of Light is surprisingly fun and difficult. Which makes me like it a lot. Classic mode is what it is and hey, at the end you get to unlock a random fighter. I dig. I really do dig. So yeah, call this a win for Nintendo.

Classic is pretty fun honestly.

Hate in smash mode you have to put your chip back on the character after each round.

Infinite trophy glitch:

https://s1.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/B...2cb524dd418f06

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...170000902.html

This is.....a lot of people's nightmares.

People on twitter are debating whether or not Piranha Plant is a he or a she. srs bzns

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Favorite scene from it:


https://imgix.kotaku.com.au/content/...&nrs=40&fm=gif

such a balsy play

Still an amazing frame.

Is there a rumor on who the last character will be? Crash?

Me, Lock Jaw

rumors not so much. lotta hype and fan predictions though

I'll make a prediction: the final addition will be first party and wont approach the height of sephiroth or steve in cultural relevance

Smithy?

Let's be honest, it's probably another Fire Emblem character.

all the notable ones are in already. Pokemon could use more representation (not like its the biggest vrand on earth or anything) but i somehow doubt that theyll go that route

I don't think this will be the last character. Way too close to a hundred characters.

What's something Nintendo is promoting now Metroid Dread? I could see it being the robot from that.

Also all the N64 titles being releasd this month..... Maybe someone from Paper Mario.

They're pretty chill with Namco so maybe Tales or Arise or Scarlet Nexus.

Never heard of those peeps.... Tails would be nice though, not for the final character however.

i think Sakari would quit before he made another fighter

IM SO HAPPY