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Lock Jaw 02-13-2022 06:49 PM
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
 
Warning: Trailer has some fairly big spoilers :o

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M-A-G 02-13-2022 09:43 PM
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Looks fine and all but I'm hoping this closes the door on the whole multiverse thing.

Destor 02-13-2022 09:59 PM
it will expand it

Fignuts 02-14-2022 12:34 AM
Yeah, multiverse isn't going anywhere.

This looks nuts. Really pumped.

slik 02-14-2022 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by M-A-G (Post 5523680)
Looks fine and all but I'm hoping this closes the door on the whole multiverse thing.
It will definitely not do that

slik 02-14-2022 01:41 AM
Really looking forward to this

Tom Guycott 02-14-2022 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by M-A-G (Post 5523680)
Looks fine and all but I'm hoping this closes the door on the whole multiverse thing.
Did you not watch Loki at all? This is more setup for it. If anything, that door is getting smashed to bits like the feds with a ram tank until they conclude the current "phase" of shows and movies. And also, it's a way to reconcile properties under the Marvel/MCU proper instead of being props of studio pissing matches... except Sony still squatting on Fantastic 4. I guess they figure playing nice with joint custody of Spider-Man is enough.

M-A-G 02-14-2022 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5523723)
Did you not watch Loki at all? This is more setup for it. If anything, that door is getting smashed to bits like the feds with a ram tank until they conclude the current "phase" of shows and movies. And also, it's a way to reconcile properties under the Marvel/MCU proper instead of being props of studio pissing matches... except Sony still squatting on Fantastic 4. I guess they figure playing nice with joint custody of Spider-Man is enough.
Fox had Fantastic Four, not Sony. They got brought back into the fold when Disney bought them out. An MCU Fantastic Four film is in development.

M-A-G 02-14-2022 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5523683)
it will expand it
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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5523713)
Yeah, multiverse isn't going anywhere.
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Originally Posted by slikhausen (Post 5523721)
It will definitely not do that

Y'all don't have to gang up on me. :(

Destor 02-14-2022 07:25 AM
yeah sony never had any involvement with FF and disney has full control of the property now

XL 02-14-2022 11:06 AM
Really smart that they establish Strange is having dreams at the start of the trailer, there’s a lot to unpack in there but what’s “real” and what’s a “dream”.

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Was that a Patrick Stewart Charles Xavier cameo in there??

Lock Jaw 02-14-2022 11:17 AM
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Sounded pretty much exactly like Patrick Stewart so unless they are throwing a red herring in there, that was the spoiler I was talking bout

Fignuts 02-14-2022 12:03 PM
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Looks like it might be the illuminati, with Mordo taking stranges place in the line up.

RP 02-14-2022 02:07 PM
But


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Illuminati was Professor X ( in trailer ), Strange ( trailer ), Reed Richards, Black Bolt, Namor and Tony Stark. I've heard people saying the bots in that scene look like Iron Men. Is there another Illuminati ? I cant imagine they are introducing Namor, Richards and Black Bolt into the MCU. Professor X is plenty.

XL 02-14-2022 03:53 PM
Could be a version of. Lots of talk about the bots looking like Ultron bots, maybe it’s a variant Ultron on there, or I guess a variant Tony.

Fignuts 02-14-2022 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RP (Post 5523767)
But


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Illuminati was Professor X ( in trailer ), Strange ( trailer ), Reed Richards, Black Bolt, Namor and Tony Stark. I've heard people saying the bots in that scene look like Iron Men. Is there another Illuminati ? I cant imagine they are introducing Namor, Richards and Black Bolt into the MCU. Professor X is plenty.
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I could actually see them introducing Richards and Black Bolt through this scene. Namor has been a part of the illuminati in the past but he left the group and isn that important to it in the first place.

RP 02-14-2022 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5523791)
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I could actually see them introducing Richards and Black Bolt through this scene. Namor has been a part of the illuminati in the past but he left the group and isn that important to it in the first place.

I can see them in the MCU, but bringing them all into this movie alone is probably overshadowing Dr. Strange.

Kalyx triaD 02-15-2022 01:13 AM
MAG is correct in hoping this concludes the multiverse arc in the MCU. The concept doesn't lend itself as well here as it does DC. It ultimately renders canon pointless if not handled well. They already committed the sin of confusing a 'contained' multiverse (Loki, Spider-Verse, DC Universe) with an 'Anything By' multiverse (Far From Home, CW-Verse, Disney Princess Canon(?)). It can get really sloppy really quick.

Far From Home was great. This looks amazing. Flash will be cute.

But enough of this.

Tom Guycott 02-15-2022 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by M-A-G (Post 5523724)
Fox had Fantastic Four, not Sony. They got brought back into the fold when Disney bought them out. An MCU Fantastic Four film is in development.
You're right. I fucked that up. I thought Sony had two properties; Spider-Man and something else, and anything Fox was sitting on was mostly cleared up under that "mutants/non-mutants" agreement.

While I understand the argument that a multiverse can get "out of hand", it is also potentially a way to reconcile shit that simultaneously both is and isn't MCU [Schrodinger's MCU], such as the Netflix shows that exist in a perpetual-yet-unspecified time period between Avengers 1 and 2, the first couple of seasons of Agents of Shield that actively crossed over with the movies before canonically going off the rails, and stuff like all the previous non-Ruffalo Hulk events actually having happened, but the movies themselves "not counting".

Just depends of writing and resolutions, really. If it's done right, they don't need to slam the door shut immediately, just let it naturally breathe... but also not just use it for everything forever in the vein of "the whole thing was a dream" type trope as a way to slack in quality and just pump half-assed content out for the sake of more content. Then, we can get on with the Secret Wars and shit.

Basically, should be fine if it's more of a narrative tool and less of a narrative crutch.

Kalyx triaD 02-15-2022 02:26 AM
Well the negatives of an MCU multiverse has already shown themselves while these potential positives are either theoretical or already solved without multiversal soft returns.

- Infinity Stones used as a punchline in Loki makes mockery of one of the greatest cinematic sagas that just recently concluded.
- Matt Murdock and Kingpin were simply written into the MCU with no mystical wackidoodles required.
- It doesn't seem like Dr Strange was arrested by the TVA. Logically he should have (and every Avenger doing the Time Heist which Loki himself actually points out), but this appears to possibly be MCU's Illuminati group. Are they a tier above the TVA? If so; how? Are the creators of Phase 4 movies/shows on the same page here?
- Is the 'other' Wanda the mutant variant of her? So are we in the FoX-Men world or yet another variant of... something else?

Savio 05-05-2022 06:20 PM
This out yet?

ron the dial 05-05-2022 06:21 PM
tomorrow

Lengua 05-05-2022 08:13 PM
In most theaters today.

ron the dial 05-05-2022 08:36 PM
WELL THERE YOU GO

M-A-G 05-05-2022 11:33 PM
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Just got back from seeing it.

Fignuts 05-06-2022 12:23 AM
Jesus french fried titty fuck this was fun.

Raimi really taps into his horror roots in this and it makes this feel unique among the mcu library, without straying to far from the formula.

Fignuts 05-06-2022 01:32 AM
There was some worry that the MCU was losing its luster after post end game releases like Black Widow and Eternals.

Between this, No Way Home and the upcoming Thor which is already looking good, I think things are back on track.

GD 05-06-2022 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5546906)
Jesus french fried titty fuck this was fun.

Raimi really taps into his horror roots in this and it makes this feel unique among the mcu library, without straying to far from the formula.
Agreed. Some of the visuals in this movie were surprisingly horrific.

slik 05-06-2022 10:53 PM
Fun movie

Best parts for me were all the horror elements Sam Raimi brought out and Wanda.

XL 05-07-2022 05:24 PM
Just got back. You can tell it’s a Raimi movie.

Lock Jaw 05-07-2022 05:27 PM
Fun movie....

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Was not expected for Wanda to be the main villain of the thing.

Marked hard for Xavier's yellow scooter (though the low angle shots of it looked dumb) and the little sting from cartoon theme.

John Krasinski debut as Reed Richards too... I suppose he will probably keep the role for the upcoming movie... damn.... can't take the dude seriously. Maybe because I haven't seen any of his other work, but just can't buy Jim Halpert as a superhero/smartest man in the universe. They had him job pretty hard on his debut too, he is buried forever.

M-A-G 05-08-2022 10:27 AM
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The idea they came up with to explain dreams kind of puts a damper on Nightmare ever being a character in this universe.

Lock Jaw 05-08-2022 10:41 AM
Just remembered that I forgot to look up

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Who the f that was supposed to be in the mid credits scene.... the least they could have done is drop a name... ok.... was apparently "Clea".... have heard that name recently, think she is the new Sorceror Supreme in the comics or something...

Probably would have behooved them to add in a few more lines in that scene to get you interested in this new character and not just "who in the purple hell is this supposed to be?"

M-A-G 05-08-2022 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5547300)
Just remembered that I forgot to look up

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Who the f that was supposed to be in the mid credits scene.... the least they could have done is drop a name... ok.... was apparently "Clea".... have heard that name recently, think she is the new Sorceror Supreme in the comics or something...

Probably would have behooved them to add in a few more lines in that scene to get you interested in this new character and not just "who in the purple hell is this supposed to be?"
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She is indeed Clea and she comes from the Dark Dimension. She's one of Strange's biggest allies and someone I'd hope would eventually pop up in the MCU. Her appearance was suppose to cater to the same kind of people that were going apeshit in that second act so I don't blame them for handling it the way they did.

XL 05-08-2022 12:25 PM
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The people familiar with Charles Xavier and Reed Richards?

GD 05-08-2022 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5547317)
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The people familiar with Charles Xavier and Reed Richards?
People lost their marbles in the hall where I was

M-A-G 05-08-2022 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5547317)
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The people familiar with Charles Xavier and Reed Richards?


Yes.

Lock Jaw 05-08-2022 01:11 PM
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It's a far stretch (pun intended) from recognizing Reed Richards and Charles Xavier to recognizing Clea

M-A-G 05-08-2022 01:23 PM
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A bit off topic but if I'm seeing a movie called Doctor Strange, I'm expecting and anticipating Clea way more than I am Reed Richards and Charles Xavier, regardless of the multiverse aspect of it.

Lock Jaw 05-08-2022 02:00 PM
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The average person isn't though... even non-average people like me who follow the MCU very closely and who read Marvel comics for a few years... The years that I read it, Clea must not have been around much or at all.

GD 05-08-2022 02:03 PM
I’ll have to side with Old Man Jaw on this one.

XL 05-08-2022 02:19 PM
#MeToo

Fignuts 05-08-2022 04:16 PM
If she had said her name it wouldn't have made any difference. You still wouldn't have known who she was or what shes doing there.

It was put in for the marvel nerds who immediately recognize her and mark out. Casual audience at least would recognize Charlize and mark out for her being in the mcu.

Destor 05-08-2022 06:53 PM
i have a thousand thoughtd and they arent organized but maybe while i write theyre take better form


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To begin HOW FUCKING GOOD IS SAM RAMI HERE? He's seriously at top for form
he's not doing those unforgettable Donner-esqu iconic shots from Spider-man but instead goes FULL Evil Dead in all the best ways.

The action is great too. so imaginative. the music sequence where the music becomes diegetic and they then fight with it...phenomenal. i love it SO MUCH.

The film itself is really good throughout. being able to take a narrative thats as much about Wanda as it is Strange and to connect the themes so succinctly where these two plots weave into one another into one cohesive message insomuch that at its conclusion its not an A plot and a B plot...its no small feat. really strong writting. very impressive.


the fan service sequence. if i wasnt popping for Richards and Black Bolt the fucking X-Men TAS OST hits and my brain melts. so good.

My hopes Wanda will bring mutants into existence seems dashed on the rocks but this does mark the 1st mutant in the MCU so...baby steps.

As far as Mr.Fanstic goes i dont think this is a disservice to him. Wanda is way out of his power level with out any prep. He shoul get smoked. Also if we explore his powers too much now it hurts the stand alone film. better to explore it later. they do a great job showing a world that had a Reed Richards instead of a Tony Stark. there's a ton to be said about the nature of that dimension.

Great to see Black Bolt done accurately..

Fun film. goes in angles the mcu has yet to go with the light horror elements. i had a great time watching Rami be ridiculous.

Lock Jaw 05-08-2022 07:47 PM
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Good point about a world that had a Reed Richards vs a Tony Stark.... didn't even think of that.

Also, I was being "facetious" regarding Reed being "buried forever"... using the "meme" of how when a new guy/gal loses in rassling people immediately complain and say that they have been "buried forever".

The light horror vibes were def good.... when Wanda is chasing them looking like Carrie with the blood, or The Terminator limping after them.... good stuff

Destor 05-08-2022 07:56 PM
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Good point about a world that had a Reed Richards vs a Tony Stark.... didn't even think of that.

Also, I was being "facetious" regarding Reed being "buried forever"... using the "meme" of how when a new guy/gal loses in rassling people immediately complain and say that they have been "buried forever".

The light horror vibes were def good.... when Wanda is chasing them looking like Carrie with the blood, or The Terminator limping after them.... good stuff
i caught your joke i didnt think you were being literal. just felt it was worth touching on. and i love the terminator/carrie comparison. absolutely yes.

Fignuts 05-08-2022 08:32 PM
In addition to the chair and cartoon theme, we also got the classic Prof. X mind waves. I was so happy.

He's definitely showing his age though. Sucks to think about, but he may not be around by the time we get to X-men

Destor 05-08-2022 08:49 PM
i definitely believe they should recast when they bring them in

Lock Jaw 05-08-2022 09:10 PM
I think they will def recast....

Blonde Moment 05-09-2022 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5547355)
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It's a far stretch (pun intended) from recognizing Reed Richards and Charles Xavier to recognizing Clea
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If a person doesn't know of Clea they ain't a Doctor Strange fan

Destor 05-09-2022 07:02 AM
so 95% of the people who saw the film then

Corporate CockSnogger 05-09-2022 01:03 PM
My favourite of the phase 4 films, and that’s with me loving spidey, and really enjoying Shang-Chi.

I’ve got a soft spot in fictional media content for “good” characters turning bad, even more so when they are absolutely brutal and fucked up, and even more so again for female characters doing this seemingly as a few of my favourites are all female (MCU Wanda, Dark Willow, Illyria).

The Evil Dead camera directions were great and really stood the film out against the pack. Great film.

XL 05-09-2022 04:25 PM
I had a nice little “I see what you did there” smirk during the Wanda chase scene. I didn’t so much go “Carrie or Terminator” but could easily see how they’d made her into a relentless zombie-type with the oil streaming down her face and the limp. Really appreciated that.

And a lot of the Raimi tropes too. Bruce Campbell showing up. Some of the framing of shots. There’s more that’s not springing to mind.

Lock Jaw 05-10-2022 12:21 AM
Someone pointed this out to me

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Patrick Stewart has appeared as Professor X in 6 movies now.... and died in half of them.

GD 05-10-2022 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5547747)
Someone pointed this out to me

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Patrick Stewart has appeared as Professor X in 6 movies now.... and died in half of them.
Yeah!

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  • He died in the original X-Men trilogy.
  • He died in the "Days of the Future Past" series. (even if it wasn't permanent)
  • He died in Logan.
  • Last but not the least, he died in The Multiverse of Madness.

Lock Jaw 05-10-2022 01:01 AM
Not great odds.

Kalyx triaD 05-10-2022 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 5523903)
Well the negatives of an MCU multiverse has already shown themselves while these potential positives are either theoretical or already solved without multiversal soft returns.

- Infinity Stones used as a punchline in Loki makes mockery of one of the greatest cinematic sagas that just recently concluded.
- Matt Murdock and Kingpin were simply written into the MCU with no mystical wackidoodles required.
- It doesn't seem like Dr Strange was arrested by the TVA. Logically he should have (and every Avenger doing the Time Heist which Loki himself actually points out), but this appears to possibly be MCU's Illuminati group. Are they a tier above the TVA? If so; how? Are the creators of Phase 4 movies/shows on the same page here?
- Is the 'other' Wanda the mutant variant of her? So are we in the FoX-Men world or yet another variant of... something else?

Kalyx triaD 05-10-2022 01:16 AM
There's no way in hell Wanda is redeemable. Off. The deep. End.

Destor 05-10-2022 07:09 AM
I'll respond to that in 3 years

Lock Jaw 05-10-2022 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 5547753)
There's no way in hell Wanda is redeemable. Off. The deep. End.
Didn't she kill like half the Avengers once in the comics and come back from that?

Fignuts 05-10-2022 01:59 PM
They made a point to say she did the right thing in the end.

They also stated the darkhold heavily influences the user. That combined with all her recent trauma, and it's easy to say she wasn't herself.

Not expecting her to win the noble peace prize, but shes far from irredeemable.

Destor 05-10-2022 02:49 PM
the one thing ive not heard anyone bring up organically is America Chavez.

M-A-G 05-10-2022 03:18 PM
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She's almost an afterthought. Any less focus on her and she might as well have just been an artifact.

Destor 05-10-2022 03:36 PM
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i think thats an absurd take. she had about half the films screen time and resolved the central plot herself

Fignuts 05-10-2022 04:22 PM
I think her role was done very well. Often times when you have a plot device character, they tend to overshadow other characters in a way that hurts the film overall. Thats not the case here. She moved the plot along without taking away from Strange and Wanda.

It is a little jarring for me to see her as less confident and unsure of herself, because in the books ive read, she's a tough as nails badass, but shes also far more seasoned in those stories, where as this version is still faily new to using her powers. So maybe we'll get there eventually.

Kalyx triaD 05-10-2022 06:32 PM
Influence or not she chose to use the book.

Destor 05-10-2022 06:35 PM
this is marvels 7th biggest opening. for a C tier hero thats pretty legit.

Lock Jaw 05-10-2022 07:24 PM
Feel like it takes away a bit from WandaVision.... like the story of trauma, grief, and learning to "let go".... was just like "Hey, remember that show? Well forget about everything but that she had kids, and just accept that she is evil now"

GD 05-10-2022 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5547972)
Feel like it takes away a bit from WandaVision.... like the story of trauma, grief, and learning to "let go".... was just like "Hey, remember that show? Well forget about everything but that she had kids, and just accept that she is evil now"
Did you not see the post credit scene?

Destor 05-10-2022 08:03 PM
yea gotta disagree at the end of that show she hadnt learned the lesson presented to her.

Kalyx triaD 05-11-2022 05:17 AM
She was willing to move on until her practicing with the Darkhold in WandaVision's stinger, perhaps dreamwalking, revealed that variants of her kids exist. Right then whatever she learned went out the window along with the corruption of the book.

Destor 05-11-2022 06:21 AM
she was willing to move on until an opportunity presented itself

Destor 05-17-2022 05:28 PM
Film is doing pretty well. its passed The Batman foriegn gross even without playing in Russia Ukraine and China and will pass its global by the end of this weekend. should end somewhere in the 800mil range when its all settled making the 2nd most succesful post covid film (spidey at a whopping 1.8 BILLION) and should place strange 2 above civil war and other very solid MCU outings.


on a 200mil product and (based of industry averages) another 100mil in marketing this would be well above the 15% profit margin expectation.

Tom Guycott 05-18-2022 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5547591)
I had a nice little “I see what you did there” smirk during the Wanda chase scene. I didn’t so much go “Carrie or Terminator” but could easily see how they’d made her into a relentless zombie-type with the oil streaming down her face and the limp. Really appreciated that.

And a lot of the Raimi tropes too. Bruce Campbell showing up. Some of the framing of shots. There’s more that’s not springing to mind.
I just wish the April fool's joke about the "disheveled man" were a legit scene. It actually would have fit.

However, there was plenty of Raimi-centric fanservice to be had. Got strong Evil Ash vibes from the makeup work on the dreamwalked corpse.

Destor 05-07-2025 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 5547753)
There's no way in hell Wanda is redeemable. Off. The deep. End.
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I'll respond to that in 3 years
Still no follow up. Should be another year


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