that would be all well and good except new york decided to turn him down when he came sniffing for work

Where is this documented? Honestly don’t remember seeing any actual stories about this outside speculation treated as fact by the usual anti-AEW cultists who will run with anything whether it’s true or not.

ah yes, the anti aew cultists. Led astray by an army of bots with questionable financing, I'm sure.

https://whatculture.com/wwe/report-w...ted-in-cm-punk

https://www.sportskeeda.com/aew/rumo...ed-aew-reports

https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/cm...aid-about-him/

https://www.sescoops.com/news/update...-relationship/

https://wrestletalk.com/news/vince-m...business-with/

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2020/03...-favor-in-wwe/

https://theringreport.com/wwe/vince-...om-punk-a15396

https://www.wrestlingforum.com/threa...ircle.2414797/

https://411mania.com/wrestling/cm-pu...ness-with-him/

https://ewrestling.com/article/wwe-h...o-business-him

https://wrestlingworld.co/rumors/wwe...g-with-cm-punk

AND LASTLY...

https://www.tpww.net/2020/03/backsta...-cm-punk-back/

This actual site ya DUBBALO! I guess it is easy to ignore by the usual CM Punk MARKS who will run with anything whether it's true or not.

Remember when Punk still thought WWE would take him back, and would shit talk AEW??

https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/...stling-cm-punk

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/c...h-text-message

https://www.bodyslam.net/2019/07/25/...-text-message/

:lol::rofl::lol::rofl::lol::rofl:


https://comicbook.com/wwe/news/cody-...unk-aew-offer/

Let me guess the response...

"Ya-yeah but all those sites are just run by anti AEW Bots, and I just caught you today (2020) reading my posts when you just (2020) had me had me on ignore, so HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCK IT GOTCHA BITCH!!! CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK"

Thanks for posting 12 links all referencing a report from one source to make it look better. Genuinely forgot that though.

Pretty sure Punk has also talked about talking to WWE at their behest months prior to this but ultimately not liking what they had to say. His agent then reaching out months later and Vince being like “Fuck it. Can’t work with him.” isn’t really the “gotcha” you (and soon Derpfect) think it is.

Of course you’ll say Punk’s lying and Meltzer knows all until he doesn’t when he says something that doesn’t fit your narrative. No end in sight here.

Maybe we can discuss this all on that podcast RTD has suggested and screech has agreed to help produce. I understand your hesitation because it will require you to have original thoughts not supplied by your Circle Jerk/Smart People Forum but I’m down!

I can also try to explain that whole 2020/2022 dilemma you’re having via spoken word since your reading comprehension seems to be a big road block when I try to type it out for you.

Literally nobody but you cares about gotchas.

:lol:

Amazing response.

Cannot wait for this podcast. Found a new site to use for recording guests remotely too so we're all good.

Vince brought back Hogan, Warrior, Goldberg, Austin, Lesnar, Bruno, Bret etc etc after all of them either got into with him, or walked out on him. But we’re at to expect him to not have any interest in Punk if Punk were to call and say he’s interested in coming back? I’m so sure lol. Vince can very petty but if there’s money to be made he’s going to bury the hatchet if means making that money.

WWE is the epitome of never say never. Wendi Richter came back for the hall of fame, for fuck’s sake.

Well he did call, and Vince said no, twice, so yes Punk burnt that bridge too much, then crawled to AEW once he couldn't get on Vince's roster.

Its been a while, but Kenny Omega with another classic AEW Twitter Meltdown LOL

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...dom-wrestlers/

Exactly how you want an exec to act, freaking out because Disco Inferno doesn't like Stardom :rofl:

The funny thing is, that even though the spot Disco referenced was a dumb comedy spot, it was still executed more smoothly than most womens wrestling in the states, outside of what you see from the handful of top talent each promotion has.

That said, Stardom doesnt need Omega to go on a rant for them. At the very least he could have posted his own clips of stardom being good ( of which there are many), instead of just attacking disco like moody teenager.

I'm sure Riho appreciated it.

Riho doesnt come from Stardom. Shes from the shitty promotion that holds events in apartments.

Thats why she sucks.

Come on man, a meltdown? Do you see any exclamation points!? Was he using an ALL CAPS TECHNIQUE FOR EMPHASIS? Reel it in Xrod, you're running on wet ground and we'd hate to see you make a mistake and slip. Reel it in bud, we don't want to see you fall. Keep your feet on the ground, he didn't even use exclamation points.

Maybe at the end of the podcast we can have a laugh about Kenny Omega being terrible!

Wait. The “WWE doesn’t want Punk” stuff is from Meltzer? :lol:

Also, yes, Stardom is probably the best overall product in womens wrestling, but Meltzer is an asshole for stating it plainly with no context.

Because while it is superior, its completely unfair to compare it to western promotions for a number of reasons.

I agree. He's unathletic and very sloppy.

Even though he had high profile matches, he was never the guy. During his lengthy title reign he was playing second fiddle to Cena vs Johnny Ace. He was never the main event. People complain but the fact remains that Cena vs Rock II had more appeal than a watered down triple threat with Punk to appease internet marks.

That's not a meltdown. He's telling off Disco Inferno who is a moron.

The cognitive dissonance must’ve been damn near overwhelming if dorkx abs derpfect were the ones sighting him

I was just thinking about how superior a wrestler Bryan Danielson is compared to CM Punk. They're not even in the same league. Even in WWE, he was overshadowed by superstars like John Cena who is arguably a better fit and representative for the company.

That didn’t address the topic at hand. Regardless of what you think of him, clearly Vince was high enough on him to put him in marquee matches with the biggest names they had. So either Vince is an idiot and pushed a no talent Indy star, or perhaps there’s more to wrestling than just athleticism and muscles, and Vince knows that and used Punk because he was actually good at his job even if he didn’t have the look he typically goes for.

I never said that he was untalented. He's just not that good as far as in-ring competition is concerned. His peers easily outclass him.

Punk's DVD should be a mandatory watch for wrestling students on what not to do in the industry. I cannot get behind a person after watching that. No thanks.

But he was good enough to give the Rock, Taker, Cena and Lesnar some of their best matches of their careers? It can’t be both, guy.

You don’t advocate working hard, getting better at your craft, making a name for yourself, standing up for yourself and your beliefs, grind yourself to the top of the card, walking away when you weren’t happy and then coming back for a huge pay day abs being happy again? Very odd take.

As a recently outed follower of thuganomics, I can honestly say Cena vs Punk from MITB was probably Cena’s best match.

You're misunderstanding.

John Cena has had great matches with all the wrestlers you've mentioned. Doesn't make him a great in-ring competitor. I'd argue Cena's better at in-ring storytelling when compared to Punk.

Those are all fair points. Not everything is black and white.

Punk came across as a very jealous and bitter individual in the DVD. He belittled Miz who paid his dues and overcame the toxic work culture to main event WrestleMania before him. He was arguably a bigger superstar than him at the time. Besides that, his view points on people who don't have tattoos and shunning the use of modern medicine while recovering from a concussion were asinine. Not to mention he was gloating about it too. Also he thought fried chicken was a good source of protein.

Cena's had many great matches since but that was definitely Punk's best match. That was his peak.

I just want to say that Omos is the best in the world. He must be. No way Vince would be pushing the shit out of someone who sucks, amirite?

:lol:

But you are leaving out the truth as told by Punk himself, that he is SOOOOOOOOO good and Vince and FEDBAD never even gave him a chance! All these marquee matches you are talking about, Vince never even wanted Punk in them, evil Vince totally held him back!!!

Now though, bro Tony gives him the creative freedom to really show off his amazing wrestling character! With that freedom Punk TOTALLY overhauled his wrestling character, getting to do all the things he wants like having the same music and tshirt and moveset that WWE NEVER let him do, because again, FEDBAD DUBGOOD!!!!!!!

“The Stardom Cinderella Finals”

Meltzer’s take on quality wrestling is the fucking shits.

Omega fucking sucks and I’ll take Disco Inferno any day. More people watched and cared about a Disco Inferno “enhancement” match than have ever given a flying fuck about Omega vs. Okada. Fact.

I don’t think I’ve seen anything as overrated in wrestling as modern Japanese wrestling.

Why would Vince not want to take back a whiny malcontent who bitched about working with The Rock, being champion for over a year, and couldn’t understand why Vince McMahon wouldn’t let him plaster Y2Stacker logos all over his gear. The same whiny malcontent that butted heads with his son-in-law, management and slandered his medical staff. A malcontent who went to the UFC and embarrassed himself. The same malcontent who was a single PPV buyrate in wrestling despite the push. Someone who didn’t get why it was important for the champion to be doing the PR appearances John Cena was.

How could Vince McMahon say no to bringing that guy back and putting him over your already established and largely grateful roster?

Stardom is the most effeciently booked promotion today. Sounds wild, but its true. Three of their top stars retired (one of which doubled as their head trainer), then you had the Hana Kimura tragedy happen, and shortly after that the pandemic. I literally thought they were going to go out of business. But by effectively elevating their younger talent, and bringing in new talent that fits in well with the existing roster, they've not only survived, they have thrived, and are more popular than they've ever been.

There will always be a contingent of the IWC that overrates japanese wrestling. Thats never going to go away. But Stardom deserves the hype its been getting.

That said I have always thought Cinderella is a dumb name for that tournament, but its tradition at this point, so what are ya gonna do?

Don’t start it. :lol:

I’ll take your word for it, Figs. I trust your opinion. I’m not going to invest the energy into them though. If they’re that good, they can thank sacks like Meltzer and Omega for running people like me off.

Pretty much.

And I'm sure Dave knows that, but Meltzer gonna Meltzer.

I wonder if Omega is actually going to come back? It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s threatened by Punk and Bryan coming in and is biding his time until his deal is up.

Actually, if his deal is up in Jan 2023, we’re probably only two months or so away from hearing the scuttlebutt about whether or not he’s going to jump.

Aboot to book tix to Double or Nothin! Meet up?

id buy a PPV for Omega v Danielson

Jack Evans, Joey Janela, and Marko Stunt have been removed from the roster page, which isn’t a surprise as their contract non-renewals were known.

Also removed though was Stu Grayson. One of my few gripes with the company was Grayson not getting to wrestle enough and, it seems he might’ve agreed. Damn.

I’d be ok with dark order disbanding at this point. There’s nothing for them and they’re just clogging the roster with nothing to do.

Dark Order intolerable.

But if they disband, what will Negative One do 'til he comes of age?!?

Go back to school I presume

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Yeah it pains me to say this because I love the people involved in the group, but Dark Order really only feel like they’re still around because they want the group to be an everlasting tribute to Brodie. I don’t see a purpose for them otherwise now they’ve de-emphasized their friendship with Hangman.

They are otherwise just portrayed as a group of geeks with no real signs that it’s going to change. And while I hope Stu isn’t actually gone, it wouldn’t be the most surprising thing to me if he felt he was being underutilized (he was).

About a month ago, Hangman chose to team with Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus in a 6-man instead of the Dark Order, leading to the below BTE bit where they were pissed off at him.

Stu in particular really goes at him including ranting about not getting the chance to wrestle. I remember watching it at the time and thinking, damn, he seemed so fired up that I wondered if his promo was based on reality.

Welp.

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Wow that really did come off as genuine. And begs the question as to why that segment doesn’t make it to TV.

AEW could release/expire everyone from The Dark Order and it would go completely unnoticed. I think Silver and Reynolds should keep a job but be switched to ROH. Uno is very good too and could be used in ROH under a new gimmick. Preston Vance... obviously has a look to him but I don't see him really doing anything special if he hasn't already. He's always just come off as a "serviceable hand".

Obviously Stu is one of the better guys in Dark Order, they are all good actually. It's just been a doomed gimmick from the start. The did rebound for a while with Brodie Lee and had a really good run. Stu and Uno could be repackaged for ROH, same for Siver and Reynolds, perhaps they "break up" the Dark Order in ROH and have those two teams feuding with each other.

It's weird. I don't want the Dark Order gimmick on TV anymore, haven't wanted it for a long time. But I also don't want to loose Stu/Uno/Silver/Reynolds completely I think they do have value. I think they could bring value to the ROH tag division.

Silver and Reynolds are fine as an underneath face tag team. Uno and Grayson to ROH is a good idea. Vance is just a bland generic big man, Anna Jay hasn’t done much since the street fight with Tay against the Bunny and Penelope Ford. But she’s still very young so you definitely keep her around and involved in something.

Is Cabana gone yet?

Cabana is still around, my understanding is he’s also gotten involved on the production side of things helping to run the Dark tapings. He also was gone for a couple of months doing a tour in Australia.

Yeah, but did Phil ever pay him the money he is owed?

Warner asking fans to name a new show for TBS

Cutting a bunch of nobodies that suck and don’t get TV time anyway is not going to address the issue of glut. They need to choose acts they want to prioritize and give them consistent build. Not that the booking is good enough to help even with consistent exposure though.

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lol

Does anything reek of desperation more than a “please watch us!” reality show. The end is near.

CERT-TAAAA-FIED DREAM MATCH!!!

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Shut up, Tony.

lmfaaaaaaaaao

Can’t wait for the dream match between Leyla Hirsch and Jade Cargill.

We aren't airing our wet dream matches, Noid. Settle down there lil fella.

I’m sure this controversial opinion will ruffle some feathers but I’m gonna say it anyway… I think this William Regal fella is pretty good.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;You're going to remember us, because of the scars we left on you&quot;<a href="https://twitter.com/RealKingRegal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealKingRegal</a> outlines the core tenets of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlackpoolCombatClub?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BlackpoolCombatClub</a>, as demonstrated by <a href="https://twitter.com/JonMoxley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JonMoxley</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/bryandanielson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bryandanielson</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/WheelerYuta?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WheelerYuta</a>.<br>Tune in to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> LIVE at 8/7c TOMORROW on TBS to catch them in action. <a href="https://t.co/DA1HlwSqq0">pic.twitter.com/DA1HlwSqq0</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1521618856053067776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"He used to be really good but he's in AEW now so he's jumped the shark"
-Noid

oooooh boy they let dante martin talk on dark and during a control center segment and in his case it makes sense why they keep that off of tv lol

but that BCC segment (or at least a condensed version of it) should absolutely be on tv.

also hell yeah @ deonna purrazzo being on dynamite tonight. hope she wins, but TK probably putting that belt on mercedes if i had to guess.

I'm waiting for my daily SCJerk meme.

This is awesome. Let's hope they live up to his words.

That is an excellent vignette.

It’s a group with Dean Ambrose and Wheeler Yuta. O buys.

THERE it is

To be fair though, no stable with Dean Ambrose could ever amount to anything…

:shifty:

what

That vignette was fucking great

Yuta's ascension was ridiculously contrived and forced.

It's cute that Moxley gets to play a big fish in a small pond but everything he's done since walking away from a stable WWE job has been pretentious and over hyped. His brand of hardcore violence is third rate at best.

Why 3 years in is this dude STILL getting into flame wars with random nobodies??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That would still be 799,942 more people than the 58 who care about anything you do or say.</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1521907509300183041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn. Tony sure showed him. Respect.

Oof.

tickets secured for forbidden door baby woooooooooooooo

300 level again. i was in the "waiting room" 30 mins early and once the queue started there were STILL 2000+ people ahead of me. took another like 20 minutes of waiting to finally pick seats. sat 300 level at the UC for punk's return and it was fine. the atmosphere there is gonna be wild again, so i don't think it really matters.

pics or gtfo.




TPWWDrave sign at the event, or it didn't happen.

a "what" and or "yeah" sign will also suffice.

Presale sold out in 40 minutes, general sale tomorrow figures to go quickly too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks for the great suggestion on the crowd lighting, <a href="https://twitter.com/HeelMox?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HeelMox</a>!<br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> fans look awesome again today on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a> thanks to you!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1522695813176217600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry for being Asian-American, Phillip.<br>I just thought it was cool they invited me to come in and talk about it. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a> coming up now!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1522689924029624320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/5nVapFokPY">pic.twitter.com/5nVapFokPY</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1522293734330744838?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/5nVapFokPY">pic.twitter.com/5nVapFokPY</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1522293734330744838?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ll draw up the papers. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kylo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kylo</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1518071612947501056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fell into a hole looking at his Twitter now....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yep I said I came to tv with a show outline, then heard out ideas on such details &amp; I picked the wrong one. I’m amused anyone says I threw someone under a bus to say the idea was from someone of 30 years experience. Who did I throw under this bus exactly? Where’s the mystery bod?</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1515003902307057676?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I saw a bunch of fans say that after the fact, and I realized after that it would’ve worked better than what we actually did. Again, dozens of experienced people in our production meeting and nobody pointed that out, and the idea came from fans. It goes to show how smart fans are</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1515007116196687872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Elon needs to sort this out.

TK is an idiot

"Who specifically did I throw under the bus?" *proceeds to throw everyone else in the room under the bus too, in an attempt to be loved*

He flat out says he picked the wrong one abs made a mistake. What more does he need to say? And the fans were right, that segment was shit.

That’s the issue; he didn’t need to say anything all.

Failing that he could have just said the bit about he picked the wrong one. That’s humility. It’s the “everybody else got it wrong too” bit that he whiffs on, there’s no need for it. In fact by pointing that out even if it is true he’s actively diminishing his responsibility for it. Therefore he gets no credit for trying - and ultimately failing - to be humble.

TK wanks dogs because he is a needy bitch.