the shitty reality is that they can barely develop the men's division, let alone put together a solid women's division. sometimes it feels like they try to be as mediocre as they can.

How did Eva go from blow kisses to the crowd to holding her neck because it hurt?


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because she's fucking terrible

And meanwhile Natalya and the rest of the NXT girls are absolutely embarrassing the main roster with their match quality.

Notice I didn't say "main roster Divas".

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Watch NXT Takeover. 2 hour show with plenty of great stuff including the Natalya vs Charlotte Flair title match that blows away any Divas match I've seen in years. You'd pretty much have to go to Shimmer or Japan to find anything better.

Well that's stupid.

Well as far as Japanese stuff goes that thread I made a little while ago has a link to probably the largest archive of puroresu you'll find, with descriptions for each match.

Not quite excited for that match, dunno what else they can do with the story.....Hope they don't just give it back to Cena.

I'm sure something will come along to make the story worthwhile. Whether it is some sort of gimmick (perhaps John Cena requests some sort of extreme rules, since that's how he beat Brock last time?), or even some sort of submission stipulation. Would the WWE have John Cena give up for the first time in ten years to really put Lesnar over as a killer? Maybe The Undertaker appears in Cena's corner?

Kaitlyn, just for her character, would add a lot to the Divas Division, given her history with AJ Lee. A Triple Threat feud with AJ and Paige would be a lot of fun.

Might be the first time the "overcoming the odds" storyline actually works for Cena.

Anything less than Lesnar destroying Cena again would just weaken what they've been establishing with Lensar since Mania.

I'm slightly intrigued with the match only because I'm interested in what the purpose ends up being. I can't see any way Cena wins it back but I also can't see any way they can possibly put Brock over more. Just repeating the same result and having him squash him again would be silly. I don't know. Can't think of a realistic outcome.

I'd say a submission match where Cena "never gives up" and passes out but we just saw that.

I'm now fearing who they're gonna put over Lesnar at WrestleMania though. I have a feeling it's going to be an enormous waste.

I had a huge reply typed out in regards to who challenges Brock Lesnar for the WWE World Title at WrestleMania 31, but it got deleted, so I'll just say that it should be Daniel Bryan. The Rock's perfect WrestleMania opponent is Bray Wyatt. Roman Reigns can face Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins in a Triple Threat Match with Rollins' MITB title shot on the line because it's #Best for Business. If you want Triple H in a one-on-one match, then they should beg CM Punk to come back with a reduced schedule as "The Great Emancipator" of WWE, providing he is ready to return for a bit, and face Triple H. In the weeks heading up to WrestleMania, Punk would be able to work with Seth Rollins and the like, since he's in Triple H's camp.

In a parallel to the Punk vs. Triple H feud, you could also have AJ Lee feuding with Stephanie McMahon and someone Steph would be backing for Divas Champion in a program with better acting than Steph vs. Brie. Kharma would be my preferred choice. To get the other female talent on the main card, you can have another Vickie Guerrero Invitational, which can be won by Paige. This is in addition to the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal. The whole show begins to take form.

Round out the card with John Cena vs. Cesaro, Randy Orton vs. Kenta (if you want to make him a big deal) and a TLC Match between The Usos and The Wyatt Family (with some more teams being added if you want). In the WrestleMania thread, I suggested that Jack Swagger & Stardust form a fun mismatched face team, whilst Dolph Ziggler & Kofi Kingston play your more athletic face team. I'm not sure how long they plan to keep Kevin Steen in developmental, but Sami Zayn and him have prior history together, so they could conceivably make an impact as a face team before then, but I'd save that. Have Sami Zayn face The Miz on the main card if there is time, or on the Kickoff show if not.

Oh yeah. Punk. Punk would actually be awesome. If only.

Cena needs to give up in the match. Anything else = stupid.

I was thinking they might do the match stoppage thing too, but we did just see that with Swagger and even Ambrose on RAW. It might be best to just have Brock kill Cena in a No DQ Match, which Cena requests because he beat Brock in Extreme Rules last time. Or you can do 2/3 Falls and have Brock win two straight falls against Cena.

The man was just lost his title in a squash match and made Lesnar look like a beast. Why is it necessary to have another match just for Cena to tap out? It does much more to shit on Cena's character at this point than it would to build up Brock. If anything I guess Cena looking BETTER and learning from his mistakes but falling short again would be the better option. Still wish they could just keep Cena out of the picture somehow though as opposed to having the rematch.

I'm not one of those "Punk is going to back any day now!" conspiracists, but with a few more months to rest up his body and recharge himself creatively, he might decide that a part-time return where he gets to spend time with his wife on the road, see some old friends again, wrestle a few matches he wants to wrestle, and get himself back in the spotlight and make a shit-ton of money might be worth it.

Punk would actually be a really good choice to take the World Title off Lesnar too, but I think I'd rather see Lesnar vs. Bryan just that little bit more, with Punk playing more of a wild card than the main protagonist -- especially if his deal is short-term.

Go to my G1 thread and watch the matches Shibata had, mainly against Honma, Tanahashi, and Ishii

If WWE told Punk they would let him take the title off Lesnar at WrestleMania I think he would be at Titan Towers before they could finish the phone call.

And God, no Bryan. Just... no.

I'm sure there are things they can do to make it seem like this rematch is Cena's chance for redemption. A more competitive match would do Cena a lot of good, but could also help Brock. SummerSlam was all about "Here is the Beast" and putting the title on him in convincing fashion. Cena could give Brock a series of German suplexes in their next match and "return the favor." Brock could use Cena's own STF to torture him and make Cena claw desperately for the ropes -- plenty of fresh "angles" for the match. Two F5s beat Cena last time, so I can see it taking three to beat him this time. Maybe when Brock hits the third, he doesn't cover Cena, but rather drills him with one or two more to drive the point home that he's won the match?

Lol. Bryan is still the most over babyface the WWE has. It also comes with a built-in story. In some ways, Bryan needing to vacate the title allowed the company to do another chase with Bryan without him needing to get pinned along the way.

I know me kinda liking Punk as the guy to beat Lesnar while thinking a homeless looking midget would be fucking retarded is ironic... but at least Punk could build the feud on the mic and be a charismatic champion. They may both kinda have the homeless midget that got pulled out of the crowd and given a contract look to them but Goddamn is Bryan awkward and unbelievable to listen to. That WrestleMania post show and his promo at the Money in the Bank pre-show were embarrassing for a guy who is being featured so prominently.

Nonononono, not tap out.

If you noticed during the first match Brock constantly kept telling the ref to "ask him" and the ref would then ask Cena if he gives up. Cena refused every time and then Brock finally just pinned him. Heyman even made mention of it in his promo on RAW. That's what I'm getting at; Brock needs to beat him to the point that Cena actually says "I Give up". This could be the start of #HEELCENA. Just saying.

I agree though, I wish they had just kept him out of it for awhile. Kinda feeling extremely 'meh' about the prospect of a rematch.

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Can't you just imagine the hype videos for that match? Do them in the style of the Brock/Cena ones. Clips of Brock Lesnar wrecking everyone when it is his parts of the video, clips of Bryan being Bryan when it's during his.

Brock:I'm going to break Daniel Bryan's neck at WrestleMania. I'm going to break his wife's heart. I'm going to shatter a lot of dreams.

Heyman: Daniel Bryan is the hardest working Superstar in the WWE. He has fought adversity his entire career -- whether it be fighting against The Authority or fighting to get back in a WWE ring. Daniel Bryan fights uphill because he has to, but Brock Lesnar has never been an underdog in his life.

Brock: Conquering The Undertaker? Easy. Conquering John Cena? Easy. Conquering Batista? Easy. Conquering Daniel Bryan? You better believe that is going to be easy. And I'm going to rub it in his nerd fans' faces after I do it too. How dare they cheer him over me? Who do they think they are? It doesn't matter anyway, because they all know I am going to beat Daniel Bryan. I'm walking into WrestleMania the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, and I am walking out of WrestleMania the WWE World Heavyweight Champion. And Daniel Bryan might just be the bravest person on planet earth, because he knows that I'm going to beat him at WrestleMania, and last I heard he's still planning to show up.

Heyman: It doesn't matter what movement you have on your side: The Undertaker's streak, the Cenation, Hulkamania -- they have all been conquored. The Yes Movement will fail just like every other movement before it.

Bryan: I didn't come back to be second-best. I didn't come back to be a B+ player. I came back to reclaim the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, and it doesn't matter who I have to beat to get there. I'm not only going to beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, but I'm going to make him tap-out.

That sort of shit. You have segments where The Undertaker returns and gives Bryan is vote of support. You do a contract signing where Bryan almost gets Brock in The YES! Lock, but Brock ends up putting Bryan through the table. You can even do a segment where Paul Heyman tortures Brie and asks her whether or not she actually thinks her husband can beat The Beast Incarnate and whether or not she is worried she won't get her husband back.

Apparently, this is the new bumper theme for Raw.

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... dude.

Well now I'm on board.

the fuck don't even know what to call that. nu country?

awful

AJ helped her get better. She was ok.

He means verbally tortures...i hope. A hard verbal promo.

fuck it, i think cena and brock would work next ppv if cena got just a little more offense in, but still got his ass handed to him. it would make it more "realistic"

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Not sure how into a Cena/Lesnar rematch I'm going to be. Like everyone else has already said, what's the story they're going to sell? Cena gets in three Attitude Adjustments? Hopefully they'll add some kind of stipulation, or maybe Paul Heyman will continue to work magic and make it enticing. Otherwise, the only place they can really go from last time is to have Lesnar legitimately murder Cena in the middle of the ring.

Or, you know, Cena will get the belt back and they'll lose 60% of their Network subscriptions. Whichever.

i think i made a post about how kaitlyn sucked, way back when she was on nxt, and jaun negged me saying all i did was complain :)

she definitely got better over time, and i became a fan of hers toward the end

Speared better than Edge did.

if i remember correctly, she even said that was her beginning in rasslin. those were literally her first matches

Did you learn your lesson?

That makes sense there for it will not happen.

I agree CK, I had almost the exact same thoughts on things.

Cool King's spectacular conspiracy theory.

Cool King, that's very insightful and I hope you're right. :y:

I'm thinking they end up going with Roman Reigns over Lesnar at WrestleMania as a way of pushing Reigns as the new Cena, it flops horribly due to a combination of WWE suddenly booking Reigns to look weaker because that's what they feel the need to do with champions and the fact that he can't cut a promo to save his life, and then by the end of 2015 Cena is champion again.

#1-wwf-fan. Ever the optimist :lol:

Well I don't actually mind Cena. So him as champ again actually isn't as bleak to me as it probably is to everyone else.

Hey it wasn't an attack. I actually found the post funny tbh.

It was well worded :)

lol. Well I try.

Keep it up. You may also notice that I never complain about Cena's spot either..... Although I don't have a problem with him taking a backwards step at some point.

I definitely think he needs to take a step backward. He's not getting any younger. I just don't think anyone they're currently pushing is the guy to replace him very soon. They've just had missed opportunities to create new stars and they're also paying now for years of not really putting much effort into pushing midcarders so that they've got guys over and ready to headline at a moment's notice.

If they had been focusing on the midcard over the past few years there would probably be enough guys who had been in the spotlight and gotten over organically with the crowd that they'd have some guys ready to just burst into the main event at a moment's notice and take over. Instead it seems like they're in desperation mode and I'd rather they just roll with Cena til they can fix that issue.

Also, since I scream it on the inside every time I discuss the future face of the WWE and I need to let it out in order to keep my sanity...

Johnny Curtis.

Dolph fucking Ziggler.

Seph is right, Ziggler should be out of the midcard now and be strictly main event now.

Cena also has Big Booby Bella now who keeps nagging about marriage and children.

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I somewhat agree with this. I won't say "crushed" like Cena was just crushed, but I'd say he needs to almost come close. I think with 6 months and the right booking, they can build Reigns up to be the guy and it be believable.

I'd actually want a case where Lesnar and Reigns won't touch until its time. Then have a 45 minute epic match. Reigns tames the beast and Brock goes back into obscurity.

Or have Reigns go over a heel Rock. Which I would LOVE to see. But then again thats not as big of a moment unless you put the title on the Rock again (and per his rematch clause, its possible). But unless they put the title on him and that makes him turn, I'm not sure if I'd be a fan of that.

They made a star in DB. They've got the chance to do it with Reigns with the right booking.

<font color=goldenrod>Brock turns satanic red after 2 minutes of even mild physical exertion. Can only imagine what he'd look like after 45 minutes.</font>

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I bet the guy kicked out at two...

It's gonna be incredibly boring if they just book Roman to beat everybody. The crowd were not really into the match with Orton at SummerSlam, I think mainly because it was a forgone conclusion that Reigns was going to win. Zero drama if the result is never in question.

In recent years, any Orton match has failed to get me "into it".

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Orton looks great... What is wrong with Cena's face?

Hogan's 'stache moves funny when he's motorboating.

God damn Dan Maff got fat.

Oddly enough back when he was a face not involved in anything was when he was at his hottest recently. He could get otherwise bored crowds going at will for meaningless matches with random midcard guys. Then they put him back in the main event picture, turned him heel and made him the weakest, shittiest, most replaceable champ heading into WrestleMania ever and it all went south.

I'm one of the few guys who think he's way better as a face than a heel anyway but having him lose cleanly in non-title matches to guys like Kofi and Cesaro is not exactly a way to get heat behind a heel champ.

Can you make your avatar a "this space for rent" sign in the interim?

:y:

Dirtsheets:

Let me summarize and suggest your new avatar:

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Keiji Mutoh vs Big Van Vader from G1 Semifinal 1991

8/10/1991

it's insane how over Mutoh was here. Vader is pretty over too.

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i liked your blue text. i if i looked at it the right way sometimes it would pop out and be a 3-d post