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Ultra Mantis 02-22-2017 08:36 AM

Goldberg almost exclusively wrestled in singles matches during the streak according to profightdb, only exceptions were one tag match where he and Nash beat Hogan / Big Show and he was also involved in a mini battle royale, which he also won.

Evil Vito 02-22-2017 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4932490)
I always wondered what happened to Chris Kreski. It turns out he died in 2005. :(

He never really got the proper appreciation he deserved.

Mr. Nerfect 02-22-2017 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4932498)
Out of curiosity did Goldberg lose a tag match when he was undefeated?

I was always under the impression that he never did. Undefeated used to mean undefeated and singles guys were often singles guy and they wouldn't always throw them into filler tag matches to get through to the next PPV or whatever.

Evil Vito 02-22-2017 01:38 PM

Quote:

Kreski's extensive use of storyboards was mocked by many in the WWF during his tenure, but they enabled him to achieve a high degree of continuity in his storylines, which began to devolve into semi-coherence following his departure.
Fucking infuriating to read that. No wonder shit gets dropped with no explanation all the time.

Evil Vito 02-22-2017 01:40 PM

Kreski would use relationship maps too, hence people didn't just forgive their former enemies willy nilly the second they turned face.

Mr. Nerfect 02-22-2017 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 4932543)
Fucking infuriating to read that. No wonder shit gets dropped with no explanation all the time.

In defense of the criticism, Kreski was one of the first "writers" of WWF television. Before that you had Russo and Ferrera, but before that it was Vince, Prichard and Cornette, and before that it was Vince and Patterson or whatever. Shows weren't as mapped out, they were generally "booked."

Given that they are in things now, it would nice if they had this sort of planning though. It would also be nice if it did still fall into the lap of one man's vision to smash against Vince's -- as opposed to a team of people all with different goals and ideals.

Mr. Nerfect 02-22-2017 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 4932546)
Kreski would use relationship maps too, hence people didn't just forgive their former enemies willy nilly the second they turned face.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves in wrestling. It ALWAYS takes me out. I don't mind two former rivals teaming up for the sake of a match -- wins and losses matter and you don't always get to draw who you want as a partner when it comes to the matchmaker trying to put on a good show -- but at least fucking acknowledge the heat between you.

For some reason, a giant tag team match where Cody Rhodes and Rey Mysterio were two participants on the babyface side REALLY bothered me. It's not even the most egregious example, but I remember it bothering me because the feud between Cody and Rey stood out in my mind so much, since they don't really do feuds like that anymore.

It made me reflect on not only the WWE's lack of continuity, but their lack of heated rivalries. It was a double-whammy in taking me right out.

Lock Jaw 02-22-2017 01:57 PM

Yeah.... more recently with how chummy Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins had been vs KO/Jericho....... I get that they have "common enemies", but there was very little acknowledgement that these two should probably still hate each other......

Big Vic 02-22-2017 02:00 PM

Hey guys remember when Charlotte Flair (Ric Flair's daughter) made fun of Bailey for being a fan of wrestling?

Big Vic 02-22-2017 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4932555)
Yeah.... more recently with how chummy Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins had been vs KO/Jericho....... I get that they have "common enemies", but there was very little acknowledgement that these two should probably still hate each other......

Agreed.

Yesterday I thought it was dumb that Apollo Crews and Dean Ambrose were going after each other in the beginning of the battle royal when they both should have wanted revenge on Dolph/Corbin respectively.

Not as bad as the other examples but still annoying.

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-22-2017 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4932498)
Out of curiosity did Goldberg lose a tag match when he was undefeated?

I already said he lost his first match before he debuted on tv so it is irrelevant.

Bad News Gertner 02-22-2017 02:08 PM

Dark matches don't count.

Big Vic 02-22-2017 02:08 PM

according to every other site that's not true STD.

Bad News Gertner 02-22-2017 02:09 PM

It's never been confirmed

BigCrippyZ 02-22-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4932488)
You're watching WWF at it's height, it really never got better than the Chris Creski days of 2000.

Agree 1000%

Lock Jaw 02-22-2017 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4932560)
Agreed.

Yesterday I thought it was dumb that Apollo Crews and Dean Ambrose were going after each other in the beginning of the battle royal when they both should have wanted revenge on Dolph/Corbin respectively.

Not as bad as the other examples but still annoying.

Dean Ambrose did go for Corbin right away....

Big Vic 02-22-2017 02:15 PM

http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Nitro
Dec 29th 1997<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr class="chequered"><td>
</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Glacier</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW StarrCade '97
Dec 28th 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Steve McMichael</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Saturday Night Taping (December '97 #3)
Dec 16th 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. </td><td width="22%">The Renegade</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Saturday Night Taping (October '97 #5)
Oct 28th 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">The Renegade</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Nitro
Oct 20th 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Wrath</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Saturday Night Taping (October '97 #4)
Oct 14th 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Mike Anthony</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Nitro
Oct 13th 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Scotty Riggs</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Saturday Night Taping (October '97 #2)
Oct 1st 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Roadblock</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Nitro
Sep 29th 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">The Barbarian</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Nitro
Sep 22nd 1997</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Hugh Morrus</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Tuesday Nitro
Jul 22nd 1997
</td><td width="22%">Bill Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">John Betcha</td><td>dark
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Nitro
Jul 14th 1997
</td><td width="22%">Bill Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. </td><td width="22%">Hector Guerrero</td><td>dark
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WCW Nitro
Jun 23rd 1997
</td><td width="22%">Bill Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Buddy Lee Parker</td><td>dark</td></tr></tbody></table>

Big Vic 02-22-2017 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4932568)
Dean Ambrose did go for Corbin right away....

Sorry I didn't see that, did Crews go after Ziggler right away?

Evil Vito 02-22-2017 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4932555)
Yeah.... more recently with how chummy Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins had been vs KO/Jericho....... I get that they have "common enemies", but there was very little acknowledgement that these two should probably still hate each other......

When Seth Rollins first turned on the Shield I was hoping it would somehow turn out that he was actually a mole the Shield was planting in the Authority to take them down from within.

I wanted the three of them to always be best buds and they'd all turn face/heel together. Now they probably will be portrayed as best buds anyway but it's completely retconning Seth's 2+ year heel run.

Lock Jaw 02-22-2017 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4932570)
Sorry I didn't see that, did Crews go after Ziggler right away?

Didn't pay attention to them

Emperor Smeat 02-22-2017 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 4932543)
Fucking infuriating to read that. No wonder shit gets dropped with no explanation all the time.

Gets worse when considering he wasn't the last to do something like this or put a focus on continuity in the WWE. Similar problems ended up happening every time and in the case of WWE hiring actual continuity supervisors, none last more than a few months.

Vince pretty much gets revealed as the main source of the problem almost every time because of his constant rewrites and only caring about his plans.

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-22-2017 05:17 PM

Vince really puts new meaning in "To the victor goes the spoils"

I mean what can you do as fans. We gripe because we love wrestling, but Vince is making the product for himself. And it's HIS product after all and he's the only show in town.

WE LIKE WHAT HE TELLS US TO LIKE. or we don't watch

Lock Jaw 02-22-2017 05:17 PM

'Member when the nWo came out to help their best friend Sting at Wrestlemania?

Big Vic 02-22-2017 05:20 PM

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e891792d73.jpg

Mr. Nerfect 02-22-2017 08:08 PM

That was fucking infuriating.

Emperor Smeat 02-22-2017 08:57 PM

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slik 02-22-2017 09:04 PM

<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="270" src="//www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x51gcoa" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51gcoa_the-mcmahon-family-prayer-wrestlemania-22_sport" target="_blank">The McMahon Family Prayer - Wrestlemania 22</a> <i>by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/DoubleZWWE" target="_blank">DoubleZWWE</a></i>

Shadrick 02-22-2017 09:04 PM

Kurt.

Mr. Nerfect 02-22-2017 09:13 PM

Kurt Hawkins vs. Kill Steen at WrestleMania with Rocky Mayweather as Special Guest Referee please.

Emperor Smeat 02-22-2017 09:58 PM

:lol: at Kassius Ohno's gear from tonight's set of NXT's tapings.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5T1C8TUMAANt-y.jpg

Also one of the post-Mania call-ups likely got revealed during this set of tapings.
SPOILER: show
One of the matches set is a Loser Leaves NXT between Ohno and The Drifter. Drifter ended up losing the match

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-22-2017 10:56 PM

Dare the WWE to come up with a better segment than this

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1bQg8A-5dmM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-22-2017 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4932701)
:lol: at Kassius Ohno's gear from tonight's set of NXT's tapings.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5T1C8TUMAANt-y.jpg

Also one of the post-Mania call-ups likely got revealed during this set of tapings.
SPOILER: show
One of the matches set is a Loser Leaves NXT between Ohno and The Drifter. Drifter ended up losing the match

God he looks like shit

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-22-2017 10:58 PM

He probably got released instead.

BigCrippyZ 02-22-2017 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4932617)
WE LIKE WHAT HE TELLS US TO LIKE. or we don't watch

Yep. Hence, why I don't really watch, with the exception of re-activating last month (since cancelling in August) my Network acct to (primarily) re-watch Attitude era stuff, catch the Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber & WM and a few live Raw/SD segments (less than 4 in the last 10+ months) I've happened to stop on the channel to see.

Bad News Gertner 02-23-2017 03:08 AM

Been watching a bunch of Shotgun Saturday Night's from 1998. What a weird group of enhancement guys they booked: Christopher Daniels, Devon Storm, Tajiri, Joey Abs (Jason Ahrendt). Pretty interesting.

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-23-2017 03:11 AM

Makes sense time wise cause Daniels was going to be the Higher Power if he could have stood up a little bit higher in stance.

Bad News Gertner 02-23-2017 03:13 AM

Lol he just got best pretty soundly by Brian Christopher

#BROKEN Hasney 02-23-2017 03:39 AM

From the Observer:

- Styles was apparently supposed to take the fall in the triple threat with Wyatt and Cena, but Cena pushed and got it changed to him taking the fall instead.

Sweet

thecc 02-23-2017 04:06 AM

I think I need to make a trip out to Cleveland
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5UJYaPVcAA9zfL.jpg

Mr. Nerfect 02-23-2017 04:14 AM

Shotgun Saturday Nights were the bomb dig-diggity-dogg.


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