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Crippla 04-03-2022 11:48 AM

I also did not vote on this poll because I was pumped for WrestleMania but I am a loser who has no friends so I was torn on what to select

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 11:53 AM

Conspiracy theory: When AEW’s deal with Time Warner is up, WWE make their own pitch to Warner Media for those slots. It’s headed up by Cody and the idea is to do a new WCW. Uses that IP they’ve got that is just sitting there and allows them to expand and block out even more of the sun than they already do. They can also try and get it on its own streaming services while WWE prime ties up others. It seems WWE have working relationships with Peacock, Disney+ and Netflix, but it does leave Paramount+, Amazon and even Apple out there.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 11:56 AM

So weird that WrestleMania is two nights now. It’s a weird state to be in. I was buzzed about wrestling, but instead of needing to wait another year for WrestleMania…it’s tomorrow. Like having two birthdays. Or there being a whole other half to the video game.

I’m ruminating on what this WrestleMania “means”, but it’s context might shift completely in less than 12 hours now. But there’s this weird little state between both being in the books that lets night one stand on its own. Very cool.

Lock Jaw 04-03-2022 11:56 AM

Real interested to see how Bianca does from here...

Even winning the Rumble and winning the title in the "main event" of Wrestlemania (night 1), she was not really "established" as a star and would have had to be made a star whilst already champ. Instead they took the title off her and put in on a star and built up to their rematch at WM and now Bianca's win felt like a "star making moment" rather than just "a moment" like it was with her first title win. Time will tell if she can hang with Becky and Charlotte as the only two legit stars of the women's division....

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5537570)
Real interested to see how Bianca does from here...

Even winning the Rumble and winning the title in the "main event" of Wrestlemania (night 1), she was not really "established" as a star and would have had to be made a star whilst already champ. Instead they took the title off her and put in on a star and built up to their rematch at WM and now Bianca's win felt like a "star making moment" rather than just "a moment" like it was with her first title win. Time will tell if she can hang with Becky and Charlotte as the only two legit stars of the women's division....

I agree with this. Except I’d maybe be more generous to include a few more names in the star list, but I agree with your greater point and what it comes down to with Bianca.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:15 PM

Looking at night one in isolation: This has got to be the best WrestleMania in ages, right? One of their best. I think it might actually be #2 or #3 in terms of building my emotion throughout the show. Bit I wasn’t that pumped, but have left feeling really good about their product. But that’s just night one, lol.

In terms of overall quality? I liked WrestleMania XXX, but a lot of what made it cool didn’t matter right after it (and who knows how this one will hold up). Outside of Bryan/Triple H, Cesaro winning the Battle Royal, The Shield looking strong, the streak ending (in a pretty poor match) and the main event moment — I can’t really remember what else happened.

Seriously think this might be the best Mania they’ve done since…21? Am I sleeping on anything in there? And who knows how night one could help or hurt that position.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:18 PM

It’ll be interesting to see how the crowd holds up tomorrow. Will they be buzzed and bringing it or burnt out and easy to disappoint?

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:22 PM

Really seems like they’re trying to make some of these people interesting. I want to see what happens next with so many of the participants in this show. Way more than I normally would be after a WrestleMania. They’re in “star-making mode.”

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:24 PM

Lol, Logan Paul might end up being a regular WWE wrestler. What a fucking world.

Evil Vito 04-03-2022 12:26 PM

They announced New Day vs. Sheamus/Ridge was moved to night 2. So either one match is going to be very short or they've realized they need to cut down on some of the length of the video packages. Like why was there a five minute Lashley video package on a night he wasn't even wrestling?

They won't have to do stuff like introducing Gable Steveson or the HOF class either. The HOF thing usually takes all of 2-3 minutes but Undertaker stood out there alone for 5 minutes, because it's the Undertaker and obviously he was always getting a sustained ovation. They should have plenty of time to fit everything in tonight without all the extra stuff but we'll see.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5537565)
AEW feels irrelevant as fuck right now. This was the right thing to do with Cody. Think about what Tony Khan would want. He’d be hoping for a mid-carded to show up and eat humble pie. By making the presentation work on the big stage, Tony now has no leverage with anyone except the most discontented..

WWE literally had like a decade to build Cody and couldn’t do it. He left and came back a star ALL OF A SUDDEN.

Now let’s watch where he is in a few months. Lol

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:33 PM

I presume they put the video packages of the people on night two on night one to promote them and give them a presence on each show. You’ll almost certainly see a night one recap to do the same thing for the people on tonight’s show tomorrow. And honestly, some of those trimmings is way more important than a New Day match right now.

It wouldn’t hurt if it was on the pre-show or something.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:38 PM

One of the matches that has me the most intrigued across the whole weekend is Austin Theory/Pat McAfee. I’m hoping that is something that catches people off-guard. I know how I would do the match, but we’ll see.

Crippla 04-03-2022 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537581)
WWE literally had like a decade to build Cody and couldn’t do it. He left and came back a star ALL OF A SUDDEN.

Now let’s watch where he is in a few months. Lol

He got a pretty enormous pop so hopefully they use him accordingly!

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 12:55 PM

Night 1 had about 100 minutes of bell-to-bell action. Let’s look at night two:

Edge and AJ are probably getting 30 minutes right there. Cole and McAfee got 16 minutes for their Takeover match. It might be less here, but I’ll give them that. Brock and Roman may not actually need long, but it is what everything has been driven by. I’ll just block out 20 for that. Another 20 for the Raw tag. 10 for Omos/Lashley (and that’s being generous). 10 for Zayn/Knoxville.

That seems about right. But I’d be doing New Day on the pre-show so you don’t end up bumping them again. I’d rather the Raw tag get the perfect amount of time it needs than be rushed. Same with Theory/McAfee.

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537555)
Cody was a midcarder with a silly gimmick last time he was in WWE and then spent a few years in a totally irrelevant company with a bad booker and all of a sudden he’s a star. Weird.

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537581)
WWE literally had like a decade to build Cody and couldn’t do it. He left and came back a star ALL OF A SUDDEN.

Now let’s watch where he is in a few months. Lol

You are sounding an awful lot like the bitter Cultists on Twitter melting down over both Cody and the fact that K.O. Main Evented Wrestlemania while a certain failed MMA Fighter, Actor, Reality TV Competition participant, and comic book writer never did...

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:00 PM

And when you think about the time that some of those matches could get tomorrow, and that you might get hit by Theory/McAfee, the Raw tag, Edge/AJ and Brock/Reigns all in a row? Fuck me.

This is the order I would do tomorrow night:

* Women’s tag. Gives the women the opening spot. They can go out there and get that focus instead of being middle of the show.

* Lashley/Omos. Probably not going to be pretty, but doesn’t need to be long and might have some sizzle. You don’t want this too deep.

* Zayn/Knoxville, which will be fun, but it isn’t meaty enough to need to go later.

* If you’re doing New Day vs. Sheamus & Holland, I’d do it here.

* Theory/McAfee, which is where things go from being “fun” to really, really good (I hope).

* Raw tag, which is hopefully going to be as good as I hope it is.

* Edge/AJ as semi-main, they’re going to do what they’re going to do.

* Brock/Roman to close the show.

Fuck me, that’s a pretty good card with a really strong flow to it.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:02 PM

You’ll have to look for someone else to help with your “you’re a fucking idiot” masochist fetish, bud. I can’t be here for you 24/7.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:03 PM

That being said “BUT CM PUNK…” ;)

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537590)
You’ll have to look for someone else to help with your “you’re a fucking idiot” masochist fetish, bud. I can’t be here for you 24/7.

LOL bruh, it took you 3 minutes to reply to me, I think ill be alright :rofl:

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:09 PM

Ok

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537591)
That being said “BUT CM PUNK…” ;)

SMH come on, I didn't name him because it was just an example based off how much you were gripping over Cody. Cody being a bigger star in WWE BAD, K.O. Wrestles in a T-Shirt BAD, neither deserves it because they work at the bigger Company. BOO WWE, BOOOOOOOOO!

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:12 PM

And forget even night two — Raw is probably going to be pretty stacked too. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a big debut, some new programs starting and a guy like Finn Balor might get the chance to tear it up and wrestle that chip off his shoulder (if he’s even got one).

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:16 PM

Let’s see how many posts I can get from those two posts literally just stating facts.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:19 PM

We haven’t really discussed NXT in here, but I’ll put this in spoiler tags for anyone who wants to catch the show but hasn’t:

SPOILER: show
Bron Breakker didn’t win the NXT Title, so I’m pretty sure he’ll be showing up somewhere.

Fignuts 04-03-2022 01:21 PM

This is definitely shaping up to be a better wrestlemania than others in recent years. Seth vs Cody and Becky vs Bianca were the only matches that were truly great. Nothing was outright bad though.

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537597)
Let’s see how many posts I can get from those two posts literally just stating facts.

Facts you say?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All those years ago CM Punk mocked Kevin Owens on the indies, made fun of him for wearing a t-shirt. 17 years later Kev is getting Punk's unrealized dreams: main eventing WrestleMania. A match with Steve Austin. And he's doing it in his t-shirt.</p>&mdash; Trevor Dame (@TrevorDame) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrevorDame/status/1510464009979379716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:22 PM

Imagine being a guy like Danielson and seeing them do this show just after you leave. He’d probably find it funny, but a part of him has got to be like “Well, damn.”

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:25 PM

At 4 in less than 30 minutes. NOT BAD!

Lock Jaw 04-03-2022 01:29 PM

Confused now at which cultists xrod is against.... those seem to be pro-WWE cultists, where normally he is all about the AEW/Fed Bad cultists....

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5537600)
Facts you say?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All those years ago CM Punk mocked Kevin Owens on the indies, made fun of him for wearing a t-shirt. 17 years later Kev is getting Punk's unrealized dreams: main eventing WrestleMania. A match with Steve Austin. And he's doing it in his t-shirt.</p>&mdash; Trevor Dame (@TrevorDame) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrevorDame/status/1510464009979379716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Don’t waste your time, man. He became an apologist for them a long time ago. He’ll say he’s not even the biggest AEW fan, but look at how quickly he tried to turn Cody’s return into a pro-AEW point.

This was a case where the audience, the presentation and the guy themselves managed to all come together to make something pretty much perfect. And yeah, a lot of it is the anticipation that they’d fuck it up, or it wouldn’t be as good as it could have been. But that’s what made it perfect and made him look like a star.

It’s not because he used a fucking song by Downstait or just because he came up from the stage. It’s because of where he did and why. And there’s that smell of him getting to do it his way. It’s not because he was made a star in AEW, ROH, the NWA or anywhere else. Yes, it’s a cute little way of presenting yourself, and he’s fine-tuned it outside of WWE. But it’s getting to do it there that made this, in this context, feel special.

And that makes #1-aew-mark feel uncomfortable, because the guys who aren’t his team not only did something right, but something his team can’t actually do.

The worst thing WWE can do to AEW is take away their crutch of “well, they might be bigger, but we’re better.” Because then they’ve got nothing. That’s why it felt like a “shots fired” moment. Because they did AEW better than AEW and that hurts deep inside when you’ve consumed so much of that Kool-Aid.

Fignuts 04-03-2022 01:33 PM

He just enjoys making sarcastic comments about wrestling more than he enjoys actually watching wrestling.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crippla (Post 5537586)
He got a pretty enormous pop so hopefully they use him accordingly!

Missed this one.

I’m not holding my breath. They have a short memory for stuff like this.

He was the same guy he was before right down to the music last night but Vince is gonna wanna put his mark on the presentation. They may not go full Stardust but the charm of jumping ship is gonna wear off and Vince is gonna try to mild something of his own out of him.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:37 PM

(At 6 now. Including one by a guy who’s “ignoring” me. Wowza!)

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5537603)
Confused now at which cultists xrod is against.... those seem to be pro-WWE cultists, where normally he is all about the AEW/Fed Bad cultists....

I try to stay off wrestling Twitter, but there are definitely people out there like #1-wwf-fan that are going to try and push narratives like AEW is the reason that Cody felt special. It’s just going to be the response when guys start leaving AEW to go back to WWE and do more relevant work.

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537602)
At 4 in less than 30 minutes. NOT BAD!

Facts...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Owens main eventing Wrestlemania against Stone Cold while this you <a href="https://t.co/r3o8MocOVd">pic.twitter.com/r3o8MocOVd</a></p>&mdash; SwishMoney (@SwishMoney3) <a href="https://twitter.com/SwishMoney3/status/1510489127568949249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:39 PM

7

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5537603)
Confused now at which cultists xrod is against.... those seem to be pro-WWE cultists, where normally he is all about the AEW/Fed Bad cultists....

Cumdorx Bot 5000 malfunctions sometimes when it gets worked up.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:41 PM

Kevin Owens has got to be feeling pretty good about his decision to not take the truck AEW backed up to his house and stick with WWE.

Like seriously, he’s got to be feeling like $1 billion right now. He got to work Steve Austin in the main event of WrestleMania. And he got to talk and actually be the guy to challenge him. Probably can’t believe where he is.

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537614)
7

How many replies can I get from Fan by just posting facts, AFTER he himself said he can't be here all the time to reply :rofl:

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5537616)
Kevin Owens has got to be feeling pretty good about his decision to not take the truck AEW backed up to his house and stick with WWE.

Like seriously, he’s got to be feeling like $1 billion right now. He got to work Steve Austin in the main event of WrestleMania. And he got to talk and actually be the guy to challenge him. Probably can’t believe where he is.

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#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:47 PM

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xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537619)
8

Fan right now

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Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:51 PM

Let’s not derail this into an RIP AEW thread. We can use the AEW thread for that. But yeah, they aren’t the hot shit right now, even if that’s how the internet bubble tried to frame their niche product for a while.

If you like it, subjectively, fuck off and like it. I think it’s pretty terrible. Given a choice between Kevin Owens vs. Steve Austin and Kenny Omega pulling faces, I know what I’d rather watch. And I know what most other people even tangentially interested in wrestling would rather watch. And that gets confronting to nerds when they can’t pretend the WWE didn’t just hit a home run. With their bat.

Fignuts 04-03-2022 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5537612)
Facts...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Owens main eventing Wrestlemania against Stone Cold while this you <a href="https://t.co/r3o8MocOVd">pic.twitter.com/r3o8MocOVd</a></p>&mdash; SwishMoney (@SwishMoney3) <a href="https://twitter.com/SwishMoney3/status/1510489127568949249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So people are mocking punk because he's happy for kevin owens?

What?

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 01:53 PM

(9)

Also, what the fuck do you hit home runs with other than a bat???

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:55 PM

There are people who legitimately mock Raw for getting 1.8 million viewers and then champion Dynamite getting 900k like it’s an achievement and the more popular show. It’s crazy.

People are going to try and will their team to victory, I guess.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5537622)
So people are mocking punk because he's happy for kevin owens?

What?

I’m unfamiliar with this story, but it seems there’s heat between Punk and Owens from their ROH days. People are just enjoying the schadenfreude of a dickhead seeing a guy he was a prick to do the thing he wanted to do and couldn’t.

This is the snap-back of all the “WWE Bad” stuff AEW does. They kind of walk into this by firing all those shots because when they look insignificant next to the WWE, it’s going to be noticeable.

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5537622)
So people are mocking punk because he's happy for kevin owens?

What?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5537626)
I’m unfamiliar with this story, but it seems there’s heat between Punk and Owens from their ROH days. People are just enjoying the schadenfreude of a dickhead seeing a guy he was a prick to do the thing he wanted to do and couldn’t.

This is the snap-back of all the “WWE Bad” stuff AEW does. They kind of walk into this by firing all those shots because when they look insignificant next to the WWE, it’s going to be noticeable.


Naw they are mocking Punk because he flipped out over K.O. trying to make a joke. Don't let Phil's lie about K.O. yelling at him fool you.


Splaya 04-03-2022 02:02 PM

For me, this was one of the best Wrestlemania's I've seen in a long time. Every match had a story to tell.

Sucks that Boogs got hurt but this is a chance to get Nakamura back out on his own and I hope the WWE has enough common sense to run with it.

Drew winning was always going to happen but now he gets a secondary "push" out of the match in that he is the only person to kick out of the End of Days. Will be a nice "stat" to feature in the future.

The Miz and Logan looked like stars. Paul could easily turn this into a career if he wants, but he's always been one to not really get a long with authority in mainstream media. I just don't know if Vince would want to invest with someone who just shoots his mouth off non-stop about unions being formed in their industry, etc.
(On a side note, if Dominic doesn't turn on Rey by Wrestlemania Backlash, you can put a fork in his career. While it's been a good run, he needs to get away from his dad.

Belair versus Lynch was just A+ in my eyes. Becky looks way hotter now with this haircut. Her and Bianca put on a show. Started early with them mirroring the SummerSlam finish, but settled into a creative and fierce war. Some of the spots looked painful as all hell. The only gripe I have is that I would have had Lynch kick out of the first KOD, only for Belair to immediately hoist her up and nail another one for the pin.

Cody's return was PERFECT. Even though it had been long speculated that he was coming back for the show, it was very well done. From the Pyro to "Kingdom" hitting, to Seth's reactions as he came down the ramp, to the actual match, it was so well done. Time will tell if they can keep this momentum moving forward with him, but last night laid the groundwork towards him being a main event player for years to come. Loved when Graves called out Saxton for saying that he was shedding skin of his past rather than showboating when he hit the cartwheel and acted like Stardust.

Rousey and Flair felt flat to me. If the rumors are true and Rousey walked out of the Hall of Fame Ceremony, I'd be interested to see if this was the intended result of their match all along or not. Was the plan all along for Flair to retain or did the actions of Rousey Friday night change the plan. In my opinion (and this will not be a popular opinion) but the boot to the face and pinfall is a burial. Sure she might get her rematch but in my eyes, it's like saying "Know your place in line. This isn't where you come here and act like a spoiled brat and cry and complain your way to main events."

Owens and Austin was amazing. For this to be Austin's retirement match was fantastic. At the very beginning, I was concerned because when he was stomping a mudhole in the corner , it looked like Austin wasn't in shape. Boy was I wrong. The suplex on the concrete floor was cringeworthy in the sense that you still were fearing for Austin's health. Still, a well drawn out match, and with how much Owens was touted as one of the safest workers in the company in the past week, they definitely foreshadowed that there was going to be a match.

Night 2 has an insane amount of emotion and match quality to live up to. If they can even match half of what was done last night, the night will be great.

The only question that remains in my head: Is rock coming back to close Mania and stare down Reigns and then a promo on Raw pulling the "booking next year's main event of Mania on Raw", or does Reigns come out and brag about beating Brock on Raw and say there's nothing left for him to do in the company, that's it's time for everyone to acknowledge me and then Rock's music hits.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:03 PM

I’m thinking Dominik will turn on his dad between now and Backlash. I can see Rey being like “We may have lost, but we walked out the team.” Then of course what happens, happens.

I just hope Dominik has the chops for it. Surely they wouldn’t be doing it if he can’t deliver the stuff, right? But man, he’s going to get so much heat, it’ll be pretty intense.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:05 PM

I hope Rey refuses to fight his son for a while and Dominik is a constant prick about it because he kind of counted on it.

OssMan 04-03-2022 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splaya (Post 5537628)
For me, this was one of the best Wrestlemania's I've seen in a long time. Every match had a story to tell.

Sucks that Boogs got hurt but this is a chance to get Nakamura back out on his own and I hope the WWE has enough common sense to run with it.

Drew winning was always going to happen but now he gets a secondary "push" out of the match in that he is the only person to kick out of the End of Days. Will be a nice "stat" to feature in the future.

The Miz and Logan looked like stars. Paul could easily turn this into a career if he wants, but he's always been one to not really get a long with authority in mainstream media. I just don't know if Vince would want to invest with someone who just shoots his mouth off non-stop about unions being formed in their industry, etc.
(On a side note, if Dominic doesn't turn on Rey by Wrestlemania Backlash, you can put a fork in his career. While it's been a good run, he needs to get away from his dad.

Belair versus Lynch was just A+ in my eyes. Becky looks way hotter now with this haircut. Her and Bianca put on a show. Started early with them mirroring the SummerSlam finish, but settled into a creative and fierce war. Some of the spots looked painful as all hell. The only gripe I have is that I would have had Lynch kick out of the first KOD, only for Belair to immediately hoist her up and nail another one for the pin.

Cody's return was PERFECT. Even though it had been long speculated that he was coming back for the show, it was very well done. From the Pyro to "Kingdom" hitting, to Seth's reactions as he came down the ramp, to the actual match, it was so well done. Time will tell if they can keep this momentum moving forward with him, but last night laid the groundwork towards him being a main event player for years to come. Loved when Graves called out Saxton for saying that he was shedding skin of his past rather than showboating when he hit the cartwheel and acted like Stardust.

Rousey and Flair felt flat to me. If the rumors are true and Rousey walked out of the Hall of Fame Ceremony, I'd be interested to see if this was the intended result of their match all along or not. Was the plan all along for Flair to retain or did the actions of Rousey Friday night change the plan. In my opinion (and this will not be a popular opinion) but the boot to the face and pinfall is a burial. Sure she might get her rematch but in my eyes, it's like saying "Know your place in line. This isn't where you come here and act like a spoiled brat and cry and complain your way to main events."

Owens and Austin was amazing. For this to be Austin's retirement match was fantastic. At the very beginning, I was concerned because when he was stomping a mudhole in the corner , it looked like Austin wasn't in shape. Boy was I wrong. The suplex on the concrete floor was cringeworthy in the sense that you still were fearing for Austin's health. Still, a well drawn out match, and with how much Owens was touted as one of the safest workers in the company in the past week, they definitely foreshadowed that there was going to be a match.

Night 2 has an insane amount of emotion and match quality to live up to. If they can even match half of what was done last night, the night will be great.

The only question that remains in my head: Is rock coming back to close Mania and stare down Reigns and then a promo on Raw pulling the "booking next year's main event of Mania on Raw", or does Reigns come out and brag about beating Brock on Raw and say there's nothing left for him to do in the company, that's it's time for everyone to acknowledge me and then Rock's music hits.

Thanks for your take

Sepholio 04-03-2022 02:06 PM

lol watching Fan job to Noid and Xrod is kinda wild.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 02:07 PM

Lol No, Seph. No.

Splaya 04-03-2022 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5537630)
I hope Rey refuses to fight his son for a while and Dominik is a constant prick about it because he kind of counted on it.

Like when the Undertaker refused to fight his brother Kane :shifty:

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Splaya (Post 5537636)
Like when the Undertaker refused to fight his brother Kane :shifty:

That’s basically the template I’d use.

By the way, good takes on Mania. :y:

It remains to be seen about Rousey. It could be a burial, like you said. But it could also be that she’s taking time off, changing shows, going into a different program or just that they want to do a rematch. She’s a big star and she’s talented, so I hope it’s for the positive reasons. But we’ll see.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:19 PM

Re: Rock:

I’m not really expecting him. Even if the plan is to do him vs. Reigns, I think I’d rather wait until it gets closer. If you can get Rock, I’d rather see him just beat up someone else or something. Maybe he does something in the ring and then bumps into Reigns backstage and it’s “teased.” But I dunno, I’m kind of expecting the big dates for Rock to work to be the Rumble, maybe something after the SuperBowl a go-home and WrestleMania. Maybe a few more in there, but you catch my drift. Maybe he’ll also host SummerSlam or something to get him into Reigns’ crosshairs?

I’m expecting Reigns to win and stand tall and that to be that. Maybe the glass shatters and eats a Stunner or something? Lol.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:21 PM

I’m thinking Reigns goes straight into a program with either Drew McIntyre or AJ Styles. Maybe Bobby Lashley. That sort of thing.

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5537632)
lol watching Fan job to Noid and Xrod is kinda wild.

https://i.imgflip.com/6b8th6.jpg

Splaya 04-03-2022 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5537638)
That’s basically the template I’d use.

By the way, good takes on Mania. :y:

It remains to be seen about Rousey. It could be a burial, like you said. But it could also be that she’s taking time off, changing shows, going into a different program or just that they want to do a rematch. She’s a big star and she’s talented, so I hope it’s for the positive reasons. But we’ll see.

I want her to be the star that the company wants. But the first run she had was based off them capitalizing off of her UFC background and her success there. While there is still shades of that happening here, this run will be different. You can't use the. "baddest woman on the planet" moniker if she's going out there and losing to boots to the face in Main events of major PPV's.

If I'm WWE, I reevaluate how long she is staying with the company this time, but I have her start back at the bottom. Let her make her way back up to the top instead of just being pushed to the moon. Since Smackdown and Raw will still be Smark crowds, I can see them turning on her in the next promo she does. If that's the case, the WWE should run with that and turn her heel. If that's the route they go, align her with Shayna Bayzler and let them go after Banks and Naomi for the women's tag titles and let them run with that for a few months. It allows them to establish them as top titles again and allows for Ronda to re-create her place in the business. She doesn't realize it yet, but a heel turn is the BEST thing for her right now.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:23 PM

I wonder if they’re going to do more Cody and Seth? I think there’s an actual story there they could tell. Could go right back to Seth being Dusty’s handpicked guy in NXT. Could be a real good feud.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 02:23 PM

You see what you’ve done, Seph?

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537644)
You see what you’ve done, Seph?

Come on Fan, all arguing aside, that Al Snow Norm pic is funny!

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Splaya (Post 5537642)
I want her to be the star that the company wants. But the first run she had was based off them capitalizing off of her UFC background and her success there. While there is still shades of that happening here, this run will be different. You can't use the. "baddest woman on the planet" moniker if she's going out there and losing to boots to the face in Main events of major PPV's.

If I'm WWE, I reevaluate how long she is staying with the company this time, but I have her start back at the bottom. Let her make her way back up to the top instead of just being pushed to the moon. Since Smackdown and Raw will still be Smark crowds, I can see them turning on her in the next promo she does. If that's the case, the WWE should run with that and turn her heel. If that's the route they go, align her with Shayna Bayzler and let them go after Banks and Naomi for the women's tag titles and let them run with that for a few months. It allows them to establish them as top titles again and allows for Ronda to re-create her place in the business. She doesn't realize it yet, but a heel turn is the BEST thing for her right now.

I agree 100%. I think she’s more interesting having lost. In shoots, she might not take losing well, but in a work she can explore that side of herself. Absolutely agree that a heel run when the crowd turns on her is the way to go. Wouldn’t mind seeing her align with Shayna and Nattie and have them be her entourage and they can jump around wherever they want and beat up women on both shows.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 02:30 PM

I don’t know, man. Maybe I’m getting too old for this hip internet photoshop humor.

Sepholio 04-03-2022 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5537644)
You see what you’ve done, Seph?

Working as intended ;)

Splaya 04-03-2022 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5537647)
I agree 100%. I think she’s more interesting having lost. In shoots, she might not take losing well, but in a work she can explore that side of herself. Absolutely agree that a heel run when the crowd turns on her is the way to go. Wouldn’t mind seeing her align with Shayna and Nattie and have them be her entourage and they can jump around wherever they want and beat up women on both shows.

It also re-establishes Bayzler as a top talent as well. Two women holding the tag titles that work together is one thing. But knowing that they have the MMA background, don't take shit from anyone, knowing they could beat your ass or make you submit in their matches?? Let them run for 4-6 months with the gold. Hell, if she plans on staying around way longer, you can have her and Bayzler hold onto them till WM39 and be defeated by a tag team, and then take off till the Royal Rumble the following year. She gets the Rumble win and then challenges either Flair or Lynch (or hell re-do the Triple Threat from years ago) and have her defeat one of them and finally win the big one.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:32 PM

Interested to see what they do with Kevin Owens next. Is he going to still be a heel? Obviously he’s just been a dick, but they also made him look tough as shit and it was a great performance and they’ve blown off his heat. I guess they could rebuild him, but maybe he just comes out and gets into some heel’s face and has learned a valuable lesson, lol.

Kinda wouldn’t mind seeing him go against Corbin & Moss, but they’re on different shows.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splaya (Post 5537651)
It also re-establishes Bayzler as a top talent as well. Two women holding the tag titles that work together is one thing. But knowing that they have the MMA background, don't take shit from anyone, knowing they could beat your ass or make you submit in their matches?? Let them run for 4-6 months with the gold. Hell, if she plans on staying around way longer, you can have her and Bayzler hold onto them till WM39 and be defeated by a tag team, and then take off till the Royal Rumble the following year. She gets the Rumble win and then challenges either Flair or Lynch (or hell re-do the Triple Threat from years ago) and have her defeat one of them and finally win the big one.

I think they might be doing Dakota Kai & Raquel Gonzalez as a proper team, so they’d be a good shout to eventually take the belts off the heels. But anyway, I do think the women’s tag stuff is going to get more focus so they can spotlight more women. Ronda’s a good way to make sure people get that message. Or even just an act associated with her.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 02:41 PM

I’m not sure Austin is done, by the way. I know that was delivered so that it could be his last match, but I’m not entirely sure it isn’t going to be a string of them. Could see Austin putting Owens over in the last one to give it a nice bookend.

Splaya 04-03-2022 02:46 PM

I've heard twitter rumors (take with a grain of salt) that he wants to wrestle Reigns and Lesnar. I dunno if I trust him with Lesnar (especially with Lesnar's move set) but I would love for it to be Reigns. As much as I'd love his last match to be with Owens and Owens getting his revenge, Reigns retiring Austin for good would just reach all time high heat levels.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 03:11 PM

Reigns and Lesnar were my first thoughts too. I was thinking that if they wanted to get Austin on both nights of Mania this year, he could be the special enforcer for the main event and make sure The Usos don’t screw Brock. That gives them a pathway to putting the belts on Brock and to put Austin’s name into Roman and Heyman’s mouths.

I figured Roman could win Money in the Bank, win his belt back by crashing whatever the main event is there (maybe Brock vs. Edge vs. AJ or something?) and he keeps cussing out Austin. Boom, SummerSlam.

By the time you get to WrestleMania, which is where I may do Austin vs. Brock, Heyman could be courting Lesnar again because “It’s the match we always talked about. It’s the match you cannot lose. You need me. And I need you to win this. You’ve beaten everybody. Everybody. But you get one shot at this, and we both know your ego can’t handle having that one guy you never beat.”

I get the thing with Brock’s style and why you wouldn’t be too tempted to put Austin with Brock, even if the idea is good. But I dunno — I think I do trust both men as workers. And the thing’s a blockbuster.

I’d love them to get a cheeky Austin/Goldberg in there too. And I can see him wanting to work with a guy like AJ Styles, but that will all depend on how many he’s got in him and how special you want it all to feel. But if they, say, got until WrestleMania 40 with Austin (his last Mania before turning 60). You could have Reigns at SummerSlam, maybe the UK PPV (this could be AJ?), Goldberg at Crown Jewel, maybe the Rumble and then Brock at Mania. Hmm, maybe call it there? Haha, or just do Austin vs. Owens at Mania 40 after that.

That’d be 7 matches. His magnificent seven. Including a Rumble where he gets to work with a whole bunch of people.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 03:14 PM

Imagine if the guy was just feeling great and thought he could do this semi-regularly for the next couple of years. Lol, wow. The fun that could be had.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 03:18 PM

Thinking about the Raw after Mania: Between Cody Rhodes, whatever it is Austin says, and whatever it is Heyman goes on about — you’re probably going to get at least 3 really great promos on Raw. When was the last time we really had that to look forward to?

Sepholio 04-03-2022 03:19 PM

I had the same thought about Austin not being done. He def looked like he could easily have a final part time run in the company after last night. I did not expect 10% of what he delivered. It was the most surreal part of the night for me, not that he was out there, but that he was doing that with his injuries and his age with 19 years of ring rust. Absolutely unreal.

Can you imagine how much money the Saudis would throw at Vince if they could somehow get Austin vs Rock to happen again. Like 3 billion probably.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 03:32 PM

If that was just a nice little thing for Austin and a one-time thing, that’s cool too. But I wasn’t really surprised by it, honestly. I would not have called him taking a suplex on the concrete, but I knew they were going to overdeliver here. Austin wasn’t coming back to just do a Stunner in a talk show. But it’s definitely surreal.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 03:34 PM

I think this was masterful in that it could go either way, and there is stuff you haven’t given the people yet. You haven’t gotten him actually advertised for a match ahead of time. You haven’t gotten him in the gear. There are places to go.

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 03:54 PM

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damn

some people really mad about cody

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ron the dial 04-03-2022 04:03 PM

people do the same dumb shit with sports jerseys. cut from the same cloth of cultists for sure.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slikhausen (Post 5537675)
Night 2 Predictions:

New Day
Rhea/Liv
Johnny Knoxville
Austin Theory
Street Profits
Omos (and I hate that)
Edge
Roman Reigns

I actually think Zayn is going to win his match. I don’t think Knoxville’s celebrity personality requires him to win. He’s totally a guy who can get his ass kicked and come out smelling like daisies.

The tag matches I’ve got no clue. I put the face teams ahead of the others, but it wouldn’t surprise me even if Carmella & Vega win…because. That one’s a total crapshoot. It’s also one I can see them giving to heels just because they want more going over on the show. But maybe it’s as simple as they want Sasha Banks on both TV shows? But they can always have her challenge and win later. Hmm.

Raw Tag Titles wouldn’t surprise me to see go to any team. My gut tells me RKBro keep them just because they’re so stonkingly over as a team right now. Why mess with it? But they’ll need stories coming out, so who knows?

Fignuts 04-03-2022 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5537627)
Naw they are mocking Punk because he flipped out over K.O. trying to make a joke. Don't let Phil's lie about K.O. yelling at him fool you.


So you and a bunch of other people are using a decade old arguement they had as some sort of "gotcha" against punk, despite the fact that in your very own video evidence, owens says theyre cool with each other now.

Again, what?

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5537686)
So you and a bunch of other people are using a decade old arguement they had as some sort of "gotcha" against punk, despite the fact that in your very own video evidence, owens says theyre cool with each other now.

Again, what?

I think it’s because Punk is still bitter and has the company’s name in his mouth. And now a guy he had heat with did the things he wanted to do and couldn’t.

If Miz ever dabbled in MMA and actually won his fight, people would do the same thing there too.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 04:31 PM

Lol It was barely even an argument. He said Punk misunderstood him, that he might have done the same in Punk’s situation, he apologized and that was the end of it.

Blowing it up more than 10 years later more than the guys who were actually involved did to push a narrative for your “side” is some serious cultist shit.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5537690)
I think it’s because Punk is still bitter and has the company’s name in his mouth. And now a guy he had heat with did the things he wanted to do and couldn’t.

“heat” lol

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 04:38 PM

I like Punk, by the way. He just makes himself a very easy target with how he carries himself. Most people here will admit that “well, Punk’s a dickhead, dur.” But he’s also biting into this by tweeting at people and being all “well, actually” and “that doesn’t fit your narrative” about it.

He was a dickhead. Now he’s in the dickhead promotion for dickheads, so people are laughing at him.

Triple A 04-03-2022 04:47 PM

Match order for night 2 via Fightful:

SPOILER: show
- Raw Tag Team Titles: RKBro vs. Street Profits vs. Alpha Academy

- Bobby Lashley vs. Omos

- Johnny Knoxville vs. Sami Zayn

- Women's Tag Team Title Four Way match

- AJ Styles vs. Edge

- Pat McAfee vs. Austin Theory

- New Day vs. Sheamus & Ridge Holland (w/ Butch)

- Hall of Fame

- Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns (w/ Paul Heyman)

Fignuts 04-03-2022 04:47 PM

If even half of what punk accused wwe of on cabana's podcast is true, then I dont blame him for taking a shot at them here and there.

But honestly I dont understand getting offended when anyone does it. I think its funny. Id feel the same if cody came out and dropped a bomb on aew. Cant imagine being so upset by it that Id ignore all the good someone does, and focus just on that.

Triple A 04-03-2022 04:49 PM

Why are they putting on the shitty New Day and Sheamus match so late in the show... always seems much better to me when the show gradually builds to the bigger matches instead of having boring filler matches before the main event

xrodmuc316 04-03-2022 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5537686)
So you and a bunch of other people are using a decade old arguement they had as some sort of "gotcha" against punk, despite the fact that in your very own video evidence, owens says theyre cool with each other now.

Again, what?

No Fig, one nobody made a tweet about it, then Cultists went full Cultists about it, AND Punk himself tried to play the victim. "Oh it is my fault Kev yelled at me".

One random nobody making a dumb tweet was all the Cultist needed to get up in arms. One random nobody making a dumb tweet led to CM Punk TWICE addressing it.

It is exactly what I said, nothing more.

Quote:

Bitter Cultists on Twitter melting down over both Cody and the fact that K.O. Main Evented Wrestlemania while a certain failed MMA Fighter, Actor, Reality TV Competition participant, and comic book writer never did.
The video wasn't for a " gotcha", people here asked what the story was, so I posted it, nothing more.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 04:55 PM

They always do a filler before the main event. Giving the audience a “breather”. Though after 17 hours of wrestling I don’t know if it real matters.

XL 04-03-2022 04:55 PM

Cooler match to let the crowd “catch their breath” ahead of the Main Event.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 05:17 PM

Surprised at them putting Theory/McAfee on after Edge/Styles.

Fignuts 04-03-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5537697)
No Fig, one nobody made a tweet about it, then Cultists went full Cultists about it, AND Punk himself tried to play the victim. "Oh it is my fault Kev yelled at me".

One random nobody making a dumb tweet was all the Cultist needed to get up in arms. One random nobody making a dumb tweet led to CM Punk TWICE addressing it.

It is exactly what I said, nothing more.



The video wasn't for a " gotcha", people here asked what the story was, so I posted it, nothing more.

So what? Happens every day. Hate to break it to you, but if a thing exists, theres cultists stanning for it. Im sure theres some Flamin' Hot Cheetos fans who go ballistic at the mere mention of Cool Ranch Doritos.

Who fucking cares?

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 05:23 PM

Becky so hot.

Mr. Nerfect 04-03-2022 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5537704)
So what? Happens every day. Hate to break it to you, but if a thing exists, theres cultists stanning for it. Im sure theres some Flamin' Hot Cheetos fans who go ballistic at the mere mention of Cool Ranch Doritos.

Who fucking cares?

I don’t think anyone cares about AEW anymore.

#1-norm-fan 04-03-2022 05:37 PM

You’d never know it by the bulk of conversation here and the RABID amount of cultists.

Fignuts 04-03-2022 05:38 PM

Like, I love Joshi, but theres a reason I dont participate in discussion within its fan communities. Too many fucking space cadets.

Destor 04-03-2022 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5537686)
So you and a bunch of other people are using a decade old arguement they had as some sort of "gotcha" against punk, despite the fact that in your very own video evidence, owens says theyre cool with each other now.

Again, what?

punk was right. owens looks indistinguishable from any random random mark.

Destor 04-03-2022 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by slikhausen (Post 5537715)
Funny that Cody said post WM everyone was coming to his trailer all day to welcome him back, including HHH and that he signed 40 days ago and it was 'the worst kept secret in wrestling' but....


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