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Skippord 12-14-2010 12:53 AM

I'm still a little worried about the Phillies fifth starter, maybe they should trade for Greinke

McLegend 12-14-2010 12:56 AM

http://blogs.courierpostonline.com/p...es-484x500.jpg

THIS GUY

McLegend 12-14-2010 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 3355749)
I'm still a little worried about the Phillies fifth starter, maybe they should trade for Greinke

He will be welcomed with open arms. No stress for him here. Friendly media and Fans that only encourage athletes.

No pressure here.

Dragon 12-14-2010 12:58 AM

Wow, 5 year 100M deal.

Can't believe he left 60M on the table.

screech 12-14-2010 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 3355755)
He will be welcomed with open arms. No stress for him here. Friendly media and Fans that only encourage athletes.

No pressure here.

No one pays attention to baseball here anyway. He'll be fine!

screech 12-14-2010 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 3355749)
I'm still a little worried about the Phillies fifth starter, maybe they should trade for Greinke

Just got off the phone with Ruben Amaro. I am going to be the Phillies fifth starter. No more worrying!

Dragon 12-14-2010 01:02 AM

Guess its 5 years 115M.

McLegend 12-14-2010 01:04 AM

Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee are on the same team.

How bout that?!!!?

McLegend 12-14-2010 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragon (Post 3355761)
Guess its 5 years 115M.

Dude don't worry about it. Carl Pavano is still avaible.

Dragon 12-14-2010 01:10 AM

I fully expect Cashman to be on his way to Texas begging Andy Pettitte to come back right now.

YOUR Hero 12-14-2010 01:16 AM

Lee is Werth it.

Evil Vito 12-14-2010 01:18 AM

<font color=goldenrod>If the Mets had signed Cliff Lee to a similar deal, his arm would have blown out by now.</font>

:(

Evil Vito 12-14-2010 01:21 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Yankees fans - this is how it feels when you lose out on your top target.

Now you know why everyone else hates your team.</font> :(

Emperor Smeat 12-14-2010 01:38 AM

Shocked he didn't take the Texas offer since it gave him the money value he wanted.

He probably saw it would have been easier to go back to the WS with a NL team and adding him on the already good Phillies rotation makes their pitching even more tougher to beat now,

I also wouldn't be surprised if he went against the Yankees offer once Cashman told him no more offers would be made and considered how his wife was treated last time in NY.

Splaya 12-14-2010 02:18 AM

Three Words: Fuck the Yankees

Aguakate 12-14-2010 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3354865)

This "Cliff Lee Saga" has a certain feel that tells you that a mystery team can come out of nowhere and sign him, leaving the Yankees and Rangers dumbfounded.

Freaking called it. I knew it. He was dragging it on and on, which made it possible for a team to come in out of nowhere and steal him.

Halladay, Lee and Oswalt on the same team...Hamels as well...unbelievable.

This goes to show, like I said earlier, that the Yankees no longer have that "magic" they used to back in the day...before, every free agent wanted to be a Yankee, the organization wouldn't have to do too much in order to persuade free agents to go to New York and have the "privilege" of wearing the pinstripes...not so anymore...they've lost the "mystique".

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 05:08 AM

I hate Cliff fucking Lee so much now. Why did it have to be the Phillies? Out of all the teams in the world why, the Phillies? I would have preferred Cliff Lee on the Red Sox. Now, what are the Yankees gonna do? Obviously we can't go into the season with our pitching kinda in shambles. Cashman says Burnett had an "Off Year" But I really don't think so. I know I was against trading for Greinke from the start, but now I feel as if we don't really have a fucking choice.

Aguakate 12-14-2010 05:10 AM

Lee signing with the Phillies, Werth signing with the Nationals, Crawford going to Fenway, the Red Sox finally getting Adrian Gonzalez...this offseason has been full of surprises.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3355870)
Lee signing with the Phillies, Werth signing with the Nationals, Crawford going to Fenway, the Red Sox finally getting Adrian Gonzalez...this offseason has been full of surprises.

Not really all of them. I knew deep down that the Red Sox would get Crawford or Werth or both. And once Werth went to the Nats I said to myself "This is it Carl is going to Boston" I didn't know how long but I knew Crawford was going to the Red Sox

Other then that complete surprises.

Innovator 12-14-2010 07:41 AM

Fan fucking tastic.

Triple Naitch 12-14-2010 07:52 AM

Lol this is like the trade deadline all over again.

ClockShot 12-14-2010 07:58 AM

*wakes up, turns on ESPN, hits panic button*

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Innovator 12-14-2010 08:01 AM

At least he'll in in the NL and not on Texas.

ClockShot 12-14-2010 08:20 AM

Yeah. But now you gotta think about what if Pettitte retires? We got 2 starter roles we gotta fill.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2010 08:27 AM

Gotta funny feeling Brandon Webb's about to get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid

ClockShot 12-14-2010 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3355902)
Gotta funny feeling Brandon Webb's about to get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid

Nope. Injury risk.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2010 08:38 AM

You're right, New York needs to be more conservative with their money.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2010 08:40 AM

Or they could take some of that $40 million they have lying around that would've gone to Lee and Pettitte and maybe take, get this, a gamble on some guys with huge upsides.

Triple Naitch 12-14-2010 09:03 AM

They've thrown over a hundred million dollars at Hideki Irabu, Kei Igawa, A.J.Burnett, and Carl Pavano but god forbid they spend some cash on a 31 year old former Cy Young winner.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 09:16 AM

I want Brandon Webb. He's a risk but a risk I'd be willing to take. Either that or see if maybe Garza, Floyd, Buehrle, Danks, etc.etc. are willing to get in a trade. Buehrle is at his last year we might be able to trade for him.

Triple Naitch 12-14-2010 09:21 AM

Buehrle won't shave his beard.

Innovator 12-14-2010 09:26 AM

Judging from facebook, the Philly bandwagon is at capacity

Loose Cannon 12-14-2010 09:28 AM

just saw it. Actually I openend up my e-mail and saw Legend posted something on my facebook and knew :( . gutted

Innovator 12-14-2010 09:34 AM

Yeah first thing I saw this morning was legend on my facebook.

Innovator 12-14-2010 09:34 AM

doucher.

Innovator 12-14-2010 09:37 AM

I wonder if Seattle would do a Joba for King Felix trade straight up.

YOUR Hero 12-14-2010 10:03 AM

Sure they would, in fact they'd prob. take AJ over Joba.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero (Post 3355961)
Sure they would, in fact they'd prob. take AJ over Joba.

:lol::lol:

McLegend 12-14-2010 10:11 AM

OOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Innovator!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OssMan 12-14-2010 10:13 AM

I dunno. Something is wrong with a sport when fans go crazy and brag to other fans about how a player accepted their team's offer for more money.

McLegend 12-14-2010 10:20 AM

Assman what the fuck are you talking about?

Innovator 12-14-2010 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero (Post 3355961)
Sure they would, in fact they'd prob. take AJ over Joba.

That'd be better than Christmas

Innovator 12-14-2010 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 3355971)
OOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Innovator!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats up buddy

ClockShot 12-14-2010 10:37 AM

Not too bad of a morning. Yankees sign Russell Martin.

Evil Vito 12-14-2010 10:50 AM

<font color=goldenrod>They played the clip from last year of Cliff Lee basically crying during an interview upon finding out he'd been traded to the Mariners. "I was intent on spending the rest of my career in Philadelphia."

He had his mind made up all along, he was just waiting for them to make an offer.</font>

Innovator 12-14-2010 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3355989)
Not too bad of a morning. Yankees sign Russell Martin.

Dammit, I've been refreshing the daily news and espn to see this....must get confirmation before unleashing a Jeterarian fist pump

Loose Cannon 12-14-2010 10:54 AM

can't really hate the guy for that though. in this day and age, that should be held in high regard.

Evil Vito 12-14-2010 11:29 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah. It kills me that it's the Phillies...but I can't deny that it's a cool move on his part to fuck off the union and sign for less money to go where he really wanted to go.

Rangers fans definitely have the right to be pissed off though. Sounds like he had his sights set on Philly all along, so saying he'd definitely stay if offered 6 years was kind of a dick move since their final offer was like 6 years, $140 million or something.

He also said that he would definitely have stayed in Texas if they won the WS. Makes me wonder if he was telling the truth there.</font>

Splaya 12-14-2010 12:01 PM

The good thing is that Texas is still in good shape, it's just losing out on Lee hurts. I love how the Yankees did not get what they wanted. That makes me smile to no end. I always appreciate the opinions of LC and Innovator because they stay true to their team, but sorry guys I have a huge smile on my face after this

Evil Vito 12-14-2010 12:14 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing Francesa today. This is the first time in ages that the Yankees didn't get their top target.

Browsing over their message boards it seems like they feel they are entitled to get whoever they want, and for once they didn't.</font>

Innovator 12-14-2010 12:30 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...tnerId=rss_nyy

BOOM THERE IT IS.

SammyG 12-14-2010 12:42 PM

Why are you happy? I am glad he is gone. Had 2 all star years and then went to COMPLETE shit. He is not that good anymore, guys. Too injury prone, as well.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2010 12:45 PM

So the Yankees will sign a catcher with a broken hip, but not a Cy Young winner with a bad shoulder. Hmmm

Innovator 12-14-2010 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG (Post 3356115)
Why are you happy? I am glad he is gone. Had 2 all star years and then went to COMPLETE shit. He is not that good anymore, guys. Too injury prone, as well.

If you've sat through watching Jorge Posada catch, you'd understand.

McLegend 12-14-2010 01:17 PM

What the fuck? Why is Francesca not on The YES network today?

I really wanted to hear him cry.

Johnny Vegas 12-14-2010 01:32 PM

Cliff Lee

Innovator 12-14-2010 02:07 PM

Ahahaha, the midday guys are filling in for Francesa...even worse. 5 hours of Mets talk.

Evil Vito 12-14-2010 03:17 PM

<font color=goldenrod>I don't mind Evan Roberts, but Joe Benigno can fuck right off. Most Mets fans can be pessimistic at times, myself included - but he sucks the joy out of absolutely everything.

I'll never forget the massive rejoice in 2008 when the Mets traded Santana, only for Joe to be like "He's probably going to blow out his elbow or something"</font>

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 (Post 3356041)
Yeah. It kills me that it's the Phillies...but I can't deny that it's a cool move on his part to fuck off the union and sign for less money to go where he really wanted to go.

Rangers fans definitely have the right to be pissed off though. Sounds like he had his sights set on Philly all along, so saying he'd definitely stay if offered 6 years was kind of a dick move since their final offer was like 6 years, $140 million or something.

He also said that he would definitely have stayed in Texas if they won the WS. Makes me wonder if he was telling the truth there.


I don't know I had read that a "source" said Texas was too hot for him. Obviously some pitchers don't like pitching where it's really, hot. Just like some pitchers don't want to pitch where it's really cold. That sounds like one of the factors he had to consider.

Jeritron 12-14-2010 04:21 PM

Yankees fans are cracking me up nationwide. There seems to be tons of them going on and on about how glad they are that the Yankees didn't sign Lee or Crawford, because they aren't any good.
Suddenly they're frugal and content with a quiet offseason.
Give me a break.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3356380)
Yankees fans are cracking me up nationwide. There seems to be tons of them going on and on about how glad they are that the Yankees didn't sign Lee or Crawford, because they aren't any good.
Suddenly they're frugal and content with a quiet offseason.
Give me a break.

I don't get that. I am glad we did not get Crawford. Don't get me wrong I love Crawford but not a 7 year contract. 3 years? AMAZING Contract. 4 years: Still pretty good. By year five he'll be reaching his decline if he doesn't get it even sooner.

I am not glad that we didn't get Lee or Crawford. I am glad that we don't have Crawford for 7 years. Lee would have been excellent to have but we have other options.

And I'm not ready to call it a "Quiet off season" just yet. We just signed Martin. We might just be coming out of the gate slow. Let's see if they really wow someone and trade for a Josh Johnson or something. (Even though we'd get pretty fleeced for him)

ClockShot 12-14-2010 04:47 PM

Lyle Overbay to the Pirates.

Matt Stairs to the Nationals.

Gerald Laird to the Cardinals.

Jeritron 12-14-2010 04:49 PM

lol Matt Stairs

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 04:52 PM

Did the Nats think Stairs is a better choice then Derek Lee?

Triple Naitch 12-14-2010 05:14 PM

Minor league deal

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 05:18 PM

Oh, well that makes sense.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2010 07:20 PM

Cardinals have the two best defensive catchers in the majors now. Although neither of them can hit.

ClockShot 12-14-2010 07:58 PM

The Yankees sign.........to a minor league deal.............

















the legendary
























Mark Prior.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-14-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3356606)
The Yankees sign.........to a minor league deal.............

















the legendary
























Mark Prior.

Low risk move I like it. He'd be good to have just in case.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2010 08:50 PM

First Wood and now Prior. The Yankees are probably just bringing them in so they can personally apologize to Joba Chamerblain for scaring the Yanks into stifling his career.

Aguakate 12-14-2010 09:46 PM

Skip Bayless:

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dablackguy 12-14-2010 09:56 PM

Bayless is an idiot. There's so much wrong with his logic that I don't have the time or energy to point out right now

dablackguy 12-14-2010 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 (Post 3356305)
<font color=goldenrod>I don't mind Evan Roberts, but Joe Benigno can fuck right off. Most Mets fans can be pessimistic at times, myself included - but he sucks the joy out of absolutely everything.

I'll never forget the massive rejoice in 2008 when the Mets traded Santana, only for Joe to be like "He's probably going to blow out his elbow or something"</font>

:y:

The Mets could win 12 in a row in September and he'd be saying that they're gonna collapse again

dablackguy 12-14-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3356380)
Yankees fans are cracking me up nationwide. There seems to be tons of them going on and on about how glad they are that the Yankees didn't sign Lee or Crawford, because they aren't any good.
Suddenly they're frugal and content with a quiet offseason.
Give me a break.

The problem is that their front office and the Yankee supporters spit the retarded rhetoric and the fans drink the kool-aid, allowing them to rewrite history to some degree.

I think it was some writer who said that he was glad they found out Lee wasn't going to work out in NY before it was too late. Which is odd, considering the bucketful of cash the Yankees wanted to give him and then the second bucketful with the additional year - then the flying down to his home and begging him to come here.

Clearly, they weren't concerned about it as of last week.

Loose Cannon 12-14-2010 10:10 PM

so the Yanks get punched sqaure in the face earlier this morning and they fire back with a Mark Prior signing :lol: April Fools right?

Jeritron 12-14-2010 10:11 PM

Skip Bayless is a monumental retard. Just a notch above Colin Cowherd.

Loose Cannon 12-14-2010 10:12 PM

yea, he gets paid to make retarded comments

Loose Cannon 12-14-2010 10:13 PM

hate that whole show where there's 4 people and that moron host presses the mute button

Aguakate 12-14-2010 10:15 PM

Bayless just says things to get people riled up and make himself controversial.

Triple Naitch 12-14-2010 10:20 PM

Lol the Philly news stations are praising Cliff Lee for being selfless and not caring about money. In the end, he's still making $24 million per year.

dablackguy 12-14-2010 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Naitch (Post 3356713)
Lol the Philly news stations are praising Cliff Lee for being selfless and not caring about money. In the end, he's still making $24 million per year.

Well he did leave 40 or 50 million on the table....

Aguakate 12-14-2010 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Naitch (Post 3356713)
Lol the Philly news stations are praising for Cliff Lee being selfless and not caring about money. In the end, he's still making $24 million per year.

I know, right? Everybody's like "Oh, Cliff Lee shows us that for some athletes, it's really not all about the money".

Dude's making $24 million per year. Since when does making $24 million a year signify not caring about the dough? Yeah, he would've made more money with the Yankees and Rangers, but it's not like he took a 2 year deal worth $10 million to pitch for the A's or anything.

dablackguy 12-14-2010 10:23 PM

Also, never understood what the difference is between 90 and 120 million dollars is. I mean, is there really something you can do with 120 that you couldn't afford with 90? I feel like Ryan Braun said something to this affect when he signed his contract. Its kinda true IMO.

Triple Naitch 12-14-2010 10:25 PM

Gilbert Arenas said it. "What can I buy with $120 million that I can't buy with $100 million?"

McLegend 12-14-2010 10:43 PM

I can buy stuff that's worth 120 million.

McLegend 12-14-2010 11:31 PM

Why did I not think of the phrase "Cliff Lee took his talents to South Street?"

I'm upset with my self.

Dragon 12-14-2010 11:43 PM

If Pettitte doesn't come back to the Yankees for the start of next year I would be disappointed if he didn't at least make a Clemens-esque triumphant return around the All-Star Break to save our season, complete with Suzyn Waldman hysteria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdtn0Z4o8cM

Hardkore Kidd J 12-15-2010 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 3356702)
so the Yanks get punched sqaure in the face earlier this morning and they fire back with a Mark Prior signing :lol: April Fools right?

Well Lee was the best option on the free agent market wait a few days they'll get back. And think about this The Yankees beat out Red Sox and Blue Jays for Russel Martin.

And beat out Texas for Mark Prior. Mark Prior was also pursued by the Rangers.

Aguakate 12-15-2010 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardkore Kidd J (Post 3357127)
Well Lee was the best option on the free agent market wait a few days they'll get back. And think about this The Yankees beat out Red Sox and Blue Jays for Russel Martin.

And beat out Texas for Mark Prior. Mark Prior was also pursued by the Rangers.

...and what have those two done lately?

Supreme Olajuwon 12-15-2010 08:56 AM

Was listening to Stephen A. Smith this morning (his show's actually not bad) and they were talking about how Cliff Lee's kid has cancer and Philadelphia has a better children's hospital than Dallas and New York. So if that's the reason he took less money, that actually makes a lot of sense.

YOUR Hero 12-15-2010 10:08 AM

Kinda Baffled how Matsui is signed for under 5 Million. Guy's numbers and history show he's for real. Kinda surprised my Jays didn't make a bid for him. He'd be a great fit, imo.

Waiting to see who signs Randy Gregg. I believe the Jays get a #1 pick from whomeever inks him to a deal. - LOL

McLegend 12-15-2010 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3357185)
Was listening to Stephen A. Smith this morning (his show's actually not bad) and they were talking about how Cliff Lee's kid has cancer and Philadelphia has a better children's hospital than Dallas and New York. So if that's the reason he took less money, that actually makes a lot of sense.

How come this hasn't come out before?

YOUR Hero 12-15-2010 10:20 AM

Before what?

McLegend 12-15-2010 10:26 AM

Before anything... That stuff usually comes out. That's obviously more important reason to come to Philadelphia over anything else even the money.

I'm just surprised I haven't heard that before.

Innovator 12-15-2010 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero (Post 3357239)
Kinda Baffled how Matsui is signed for under 5 Million. Guy's numbers and history show he's for real. Kinda surprised my Jays didn't make a bid for him. He'd be a great fit, imo.

Waiting to see who signs Randy Gregg. I believe the Jays get a #1 pick from whomeever inks him to a deal. - LOL

Matsui's knees couldn't handle the turf when he occasionally played in Toronto, even just running the bases.

Adder 12-15-2010 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 3357258)
Before anything... That stuff usually comes out. That's obviously more important reason to come to Philadelphia over anything else even the money.

I'm just surprised I haven't heard that before.

I recall when he was in Philly during the playoff push there was talk of his son and cancer. So it was known.

Dragon 12-15-2010 12:34 PM

I heard the stuff about Lee's kid before but everyone I saw write about it assumed the hospital he wanted to be near was in Texas I think. Guess they assumed wrong.

And I guess the contract he took from Philly really wasn't as huge a difference as first thought.

He gets a 5 year $120M deal with a vesting option for a 6th year at $27.5M (or 12.5M buyout).

Yankees offered most guaranteed at $148M. Rangers offered $138M guaranteed with an option that could have brought it to $161M.

McLegend 12-15-2010 12:40 PM

Interesting, becasue I've never heard anything about his child with cancer.

I hear it's really easy to get that option for the 6th year. So the contract is basically is guaranteed $147.5 million.

Innovator 12-15-2010 01:46 PM

AW someone in Seattle listened to me...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...age_of_ya.html

Innovator 12-15-2010 01:47 PM

AHAHAHA the comments on the blog there are amazing. Cano and Hughes for Felix.


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