jesus, that's horrifying

Brock Strowman looks like someone and I am trying to put my finger on who.

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Hearing Cornette rant on Okada/Omega is like fine scotch. He's right, but then you go to the comments and hear all the butt-hurt fans misquoting him and not getting the point when the video is right fucking up there. :lol:

She's lucky to get to be Under Taker.

Holy fucking shit Lana.

Pretty sure I'd let Rusev fuck my asshole Iron Sheik style if the payoff was a night with Lana

The guy from Revenge of the Nerds...

John Cena looks a bit like CM Punk imo.

Whispers: Orge you asshole....

Orge!

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A very pissed off roided up Chuck Liddell. Cena Strowman looks like Luke Gallows while Goldburg Stroman looks like Festus.

It's already been answered it's Donald Gibb. We've called him Orge on here a few times before.

Are you done with your orgeasim now?

After having seen the match with my dad, I thought it was a very exciting contest. But the Dragon Superplex, among other moves, SHOULD have finished the match, but didn't.

That having been said, I do like the fact that Omega has dialed back on the dumb shittery. He has, to an extent, moved on from the whole wrestling blow up dolls and 8 year old thing he did earlier in his career. And good on him for it.

Also, my dad and I both thoroughly enjoyed the match.

She has nudes you know. Love her facial expression though.

She has a face?

Those look like new boobs. The nudes may now be out of date.

Just a good bra I think.

That Cornette rant, btw, is a nice example of why people shit on him and think he's out of touch.

The matches he feels are 5 stars are 20 to 30 years old. More of them closer to or older than 30.

He spends a good portion shitting on Omega based on what he saw 10 years ago.

Not to mention, outside of one spot, I don't think he complimented the match at all. I get that it's all subjective, but Jesus even if it's not your cup of tea, how anyone cannot watch Okada v Omega and think that it was a good to excellent main event match is beyond me.

Cornette is still talking like it's the 80s with the idea that you have to present it like a real fight. People know it's a work. Times have changed. It'd be like someone telling the guys in the 80s that they needed to replicate the old timey style of the 50s.

Wrestling evolves and what worked then doesn't work now. I feel like Cornette doesn't really get that, or he doesn't accept it.

All he said was it wasn't the greatest match of all time which is what 6 stars would imply. He said it was a good 20-minute match that went 40. He also said he had a list of his five-star matches but forgot where he put it. He could have had some stuff from ROH when he was a booking which would be more recent.

He could've. And I'm sure he may some in there. I just find Cornette hard to take seriously anymore. Not because he isn't a wealth of knowledge, but more because he just seems like he's hanging to a time that's long past.

My citing of him rattling off these 30 year old matches just indicates to me that he feels that a certain era and certain style is "pro rasslin", and I disagree with that


Maybe in that time it would've worked. But itv won't work now. People are in on the rib. They know it's a work. Trying to present it the same way it was 30 years ago isn't gonna work.

He makes valid points. I don't think he's a loon and I respect his opinion. I just think, similar to Jim Ross, he's hung up on a certain era and doesn't move past it.

I think he somewhere in the podcast called Revival Vs. DIY 2/3 Falls a Five Star match or didn't disagree when his co-host mentioned it.

He just doesn't like Kenny Omega:

1. He lied (sent a fake injury photo to Adam Pearce in 2009 saying he wouldn't make it to Final Battle when he wrestled in Japan the same weekend.

2. Two matches that are hard to argue aren't disqualifying to Kenny Omega being taken seriously as a pro wrestler.

I watched the match with my uncle today and he enjoyed it. Said it was like what wrestling used to be like. He liked the false finishes and the fact that Omega truly didn't have anymore left in the tank. Cornette's hatred for Omega clouds his judgment on this match though. He actually suggested they do count out finish which is dumb for the biggest match of the year. I like Cornette but hardly ever agree with anything he says, he just an amazing listen though.

I get why Cornette hates him. Understood. It doesn't mean he should shit on the guys work when it is deserving of praise. Which is what he's doing. Back handed compliments, talking it down, running down a guy for shit he did 10 plus years ago when he was barely old enough to drink.

It's just, I dunno, childish. I know it's his gimmick and all. Maybe I've just had my fill of good of James E.

I think that idea was based on the severity of the spot.
He's not totally off base here. IMo some of the spots took away some of psycology and made it a lesser match. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the match but sometimes too much is just... too much.

oh yea. The count out finished. Shook my head at that. I mean, I get the logic. But, the biggest show of the year?

I don't think, hope, he would ever book it like that but I understand what he meant by it being something that should be near the end of a match or the end itself, as in the count out or to drag him back into the ring and pin him.

I get that. But we've seen just as brutal spots not end a match. Mankind in hell in the cell. HBK in hell in the cell. Etc.

Time to go into Cornette defense mode. This is going to be fun.

This will be interesting.

Are you alleging that something needs to be modern to be good? You surely wouldn't make the case that Funk/Lawler or Bret/Austin weren't great matches would you? I don't want to put words into your mouth though, so please explain this point about age. Is it just that there isn't anything modern on it? I've heard Cornette praise quite a bit of modern stuff -- Tyler Black vs. Davey Richards, the work of Adam Cole, Jay Lethal, The Briscoes, Cesaro, American Alpha, DIY, The Revival, etc.

He shits on him because of his personal interactions with him and the fact that he was a shitty, shitty wrestler.

Cornette praised the athleticism. He praised Okada's dropkick and said that the spots were crisp. He praised the accuracy of the bump through the table. Sorry, but this is just incorrect.

This is probably a large part of what holds wrestling back today, to be honest. People know it is a work, but they don't believe in anything or anyone. People knew that wrestling was fake when Stone Cold was around, but they still believed in him. Expectations have been lowered A LOT.

This would be a fair point, except to say that I don't think it wouldn't work now. I think it would. I don't think what "works" now actually works as well as people think it does (hence why wrestling is in a hole) and that it certainly wouldn't have worked back then. People use the word "evolves" but I think it's a trend in the opposite direction. You have so many guys getting hurt and breaking their necks for nobody. It's gotten a lot stupider, even if it acts like it's less carny and more sophisticated. It's less art and more white noise bullshit.

I think you're right that Cornette doesn't like that wrestling has changed. I don't think you're right that he hasn't accepted it. He even says in that video something like "I guess that's what people want to see these days" or something like that. But his current hobby is tearing the holes in it open. I think he's accepted it just fine -- he just doesn't want it to be the case.

Cornette DID NOT suggest that the biggest show of the year end in a countout. He said that the spot should have been sold to end in a countout. If you don't want to end the biggest show of the year in a countout, don't fucking kill yourself with that spot is Cornette's point. He is not saying that you should have ended the show with a countout. I repeat, he did not say that.

This is that shit where he said exactly what Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn needed to do to make it on the main roster in WWE, and they did basically everything he said and are successful and people are like "Suck it, Cornette." It literally proves him right. In fact, the only way you can actually say he was wrong is that it looks like Owens and Zayn will do the things Cornette said and will just be guys. He may have overestimated their ability.

A-fucking-men. And I did like the match. I wouldn't call it five stars though. Maybe 3 1/2 to 4. I guarantee you there will be better matches this year. Hell, I think Omega and Okada could each have better matches.

This is setting up a straw man. Did Cornette defend the spots in the Mankind/Taker HIAC? In fact, if you ask him, I think he'd say that those were unnecessary. Cornette is a Mick Foley fan and an Undertaker mark, but to immediately assign the position of him as a spot apologist in the context of those matches is to misrepresent him.

Taker/HBK is another match, for the record, that got five stars, and I think it's a better match than Taker/Mankind despite the stunts. Maybe you could argue that the stunts in Taker/HBK were ridiculous themselves, but there is certainly more of an applied and effective context there.

Point being: HBK/Taker, despite the stunts, was not made by the stunts, therefore stunts do not a good match make. Now, was Okada/Omega just stunts? I don't believe so, but it certainly had a few and I'd say they took drama out of the match instead of adding it. That is subjective, but it is not an unfounded opinion to have.

It's a shame that so many people shut themselves off to Cornette's wisdom on wrestling. I've become a mark for him, but I can still find things I don't completely agree with. Apparently James Dudley was more than just Vince's limo driver (Gerty taught me that). That being said, people dismiss Corny like he's not largely responsible for planting the seeds that have made so many things great.

It might be easier for some people to listen to Cornette credit something they love. Listen to his sage advice on the American Alpha/Revival match. The dude goes into some sort of savant mode where he picks up on little things that most people wouldn't have even got. Listen to him talk about Dolph Ziggler. The dude has got so much to offer if you switch off your sensitive feelings about modern spot-based wrestling.

CORNETTE SHEEP,,,,,,,,,,,,

No, I'm not. In saying that when Cornette talks he does so in a way that favors 80s rasslin as if it was the right way to do things. I'm sure he likes modern stuff. I'm not saying he doesn't. What I'm saying is he has a clear bias when all but one of the matches he considers 5 stars were in the 80s. It's obvious he favors the era and that his wrestling.


The Interaction is fine. The shitting on him as a wrestler based on seeing him 10 years ago when he was apparently green as fuck and watching two comedy bits is ridiculous. Think about that. Cornette is holding onto an opinion that's a decade old with zero idea, seemingly, of how good an in ring performer the guy is.



He made 3 nice comments on a match even the guy he's doing the show with loved and admitted to getting into. Just because he tosses in a few compliments doesn't negate the other nonsense he's going on about, like the ultimate warrior comparison. He literally nit picked the whole thing. They over sold, they laid around a lot, it was just a match with moves, etc. Granted I'm sure he hasv zero idea of what's going on in the promotion. But that makes him look sillier as he's trying to critique something He has no idea of outside of it being a match.



I think expectations are higher. It takes more nowadays to suck people in. If expectations were low, you and I would be on the WWE bandwagon praising everything they do, much like CyNick. We don't. Because we expect better and when we don't get it we walk away.

This match had two year long stories meeting in a culmination of character growth and development. The fans were into it. You could tell with how they responded to the final 4 matches that the in ring performances enhanced stories that had been building up over time. It's part of what made them great for those who have followed NJPW enough to know what was going on.



I think the basics of wrestling storytelling still works. How it is presented is way changes. What worked for Vince in the 80s didn't work in the 90s, and so on and so forth. I agree with the guys breaking their bodies for nobody, but that has more to do with the stories behind the matches, or lack thereof. I urge you to follow NJPW, Noid. I think we have similar tastes in wrestling. I love what they're producing. It has direction, long term booking, character development and great in ring matches. I think you'd love it.

Him saying that's what people want to see is not accepting it. It's just acknowledging an obvious fact. Maybe he hasv accepted it but I'm not buying it based on how he presents his views on things.

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He's exposing the soap opera! What a mark Jim Cornette is.

Yes he did. He said that could've been a great finish, a count out finish, or a hospitalization angle or the finish, but then they went 20 more minutes. He was clearly suggesting that be the finish. It's pretty obvious.

Cornette, like anyone who's been in the business as long and has had the level of successes he's had, is wise and does have an endless amount of knowledge to listen to. It doesn't mean everything he says is going to resonate. Like obviously suggesting a table spot followed by count out or hospital angle to finish your main event match in the biggest show of the year.

On a different show? Absolutely. He's right. But this is more of the commenting on something he isn't actively aware of with context and story.

I'm trying to figure out why people care what Cornette thinks about wrestling in the year 2017. Stuff from 25+ years ago..sure..He's naturally gonna hate 99% of the current product for 1 reason or another.