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Supreme Olajuwon 01-09-2022 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5513090)
wonder what this guy said to mjf to make him snap

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry I don’t fit your category of making my company diverse.</p>&mdash; Maxwell Jacob Friedman™️ (@The_MJF) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1479954687935852547?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The original post said something like MJF didn’t have to work hard because he’s white.

GD 01-09-2022 06:02 PM

That's a daft thing to say.

Vastardikai 01-09-2022 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5513378)
yeah I don't disagree he's not handling it super well beyond his initial tweet.

I also think people just get so worked up and hateful over really dumb shit with wrestling. Not all wrestling is SUPER SERIOUS BUSINESS. Even in the US, we had Chikara. Not every company in Japan presents wrestling the same way, not every company in Mexico presents lucha libre the same way, ya know, it is what it is. I'm not saying comedy rasslin is my preference, it's generally not, but I don't really give a shit about who was in what comedy rasslin spot and hyperventilate on it like Cornette does.

Good thing nothing despicable ended up happening in Chikara...

screech 01-09-2022 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5513387)
Funny to see how the AEW brass deal with negativity and criticism. They need to separate a bit and put up a curtain. Too much inside baseball all the time. Tony doing barstool shoot interviews about the ongoings of the company. I don't like it.

He's got the money to hire a PR team to handle all of this. I get wanting to be "accessible" but this is a bit silly.

Vastardikai 01-09-2022 06:36 PM

Only thing I can provably say about Omega is that he associates with questionable*, shitty** people.

I have said this before, but I wouldn't associate with Emi Sakura. Emi Sakura, has trained several extremely underaged girls. In between ICE Ribbon and ChocoPro, she ran Gatoh Move out of Thailand, one the world's biggest human trafficking hubs. Trained a bunch of girls, but doesn't provide a ring for them to work in?

Also, Japan didn't have a major "#MeToo" movement like the US and England did, let alone a "#SpeakingOut" movement. Luckily for several talents, I would imagine.

*All of one of the party's appearances in Being the Elite were scrubbed for some reason...
**At one point, Omega denied having ever met one of the parties involved in this story,despite him being wrestling at an event he booked. This photo was used to debunk that. During this most recent meltdown, he is claiming that he didn't know who this guy was and it was the only dealings he had with him. I am not a fan of Richochet, Zybysko, or Moose either.

Sepholio 01-09-2022 06:40 PM

God they need some PR people over there to tell these guys how to behave in interviews and on social media. Kenny is an EVP of an operation that is square in the public eye. He shouldn't even be responding to trolls like that. No wrestlers anywhere should for that matter. It's childish and beyond petty and just not a good look at all.

Feel like so many of these guys (and quite a few in WWE and other places too) were never told the golden roll of the internet, especially for famous people/content creators: DON'T READ THE COMMENTS. They never go the way you want them to.

Jordan 01-09-2022 06:40 PM

I always thought Kenny Omega was involved somehow in Asian sex trafficking but now I have proof.

Fignuts 01-09-2022 06:50 PM

You can't really blame Cornette for getting riled up about that stuff. He spent decades in the business, where protecting the illusion was the number 1 priority, and the slightest infraction could get you blacklisted. It's been ingrained into his very being since the 70's, and you can't just turn that off. You probably can't ever turn that off.

I think at this point, the toothpaste has been so far out of the tube for so long, that the comedy shit can't really do any more damage to this business. But it also doesn't help it in any way.

Now if some small company in bumfuck, Japan wants to do comedy shit, then whatever, I don't care. I have a problem with it, when you do completely ridiculous nonsense, and then try and present a serious wrestling show in the very next segment. That's a disconnect for me.

Fignuts 01-09-2022 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5513405)
Only thing I can provably say about Omega is that he associates with questionable*, shitty** people.

I have said this before, but I wouldn't associate with Emi Sakura. Emi Sakura, has trained several extremely underaged girls. In between ICE Ribbon and ChocoPro, she ran Gatoh Move out of Thailand, one the world's biggest human trafficking hubs. Trained a bunch of girls, but doesn't provide a ring for them to work in?

Also, Japan didn't have a major "#MeToo" movement like the US and England did, let alone a "#SpeakingOut" movement. Luckily for several talents, I would imagine.

*All of one of the party's appearances in Being the Elite were scrubbed for some reason...
**At one point, Omega denied having ever met one of the parties involved in this story,despite him being wrestling at an event he booked. This photo was used to debunk that. During this most recent meltdown, he is claiming that he didn't know who this guy was and it was the only dealings he had with him. I am not a fan of Richochet, Zybysko, or Moose either.

All the possible women's promotions they could have partnered with and they picked the stupidest one.

Wwe was smart to partner with Meiko. Some legit wrestlers in her promotion.

xrodmuc316 01-09-2022 08:32 PM

This is how wrestlers on Twitter should be

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_LdyfJW...jpg&name=large

xrodmuc316 01-09-2022 10:12 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jay Lethal has now been missing from AEW television for 32 days, so I took matters into my own hands and contacted the authorities. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <br>WATCH: <a href="https://t.co/nx3cZ8co5T">https://t.co/nx3cZ8co5T</a> <a href="https://t.co/2k85osd5xP">pic.twitter.com/2k85osd5xP</a></p>&mdash; Alfred Konuwa (@ThisIsNasty) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1480309659202469888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sepholio 01-09-2022 10:26 PM

lmfaoooooo

Jordan 01-09-2022 10:33 PM

Lol nice one

Jordan 01-09-2022 10:33 PM

I am looking forward to the next Tony Khan lash out.

Evil Vito 01-10-2022 08:35 AM

Jim Cornette has a platform which allows him to accuse Omega of being some sort of pedophile for his friendship of Riho, not to mention saying disgusting shit about Riho, Shida, Emi, and Yuka by saying they’re only booked to fulfill Kenny’s fetishes. Unsurprisingly his cult then goes along with it and harass Kenny online about it all the time.

While I agree it’s best to walk away from trolls and not engage their terrible behavior, I can only imagine how grating it is to have to read this shit and have your friends belittled every single day. Everyone has a limit where they can’t take anymore.

Social media was one of humanity’s worst creations.

Fignuts 01-10-2022 09:10 AM

Cornette has not accused Kenny of pedophilia. He's suspected Kenny is more than friends with Riho now.

While joshi as a whole isn't what it used to be, there are still a lot of great female wrestlers in Japan. Riho, Emi, Shida, and Yuka are not names I would put on that shortlist.

As much as I enjoy cornettes podcast, and agree with his assessments, I would never join the Cult of Cornette. To many mouth breathing trolls. Cornette has reason to be so upset, for reasons I listed above. These mouth breathers have no excuse to harass people other than having mentality of a spoiled brat on xbox.

Mr. Nerfect 01-10-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5513374)
Emi Sakura's company in Japan, Chocopro, the matches basically take place in a setting that looks like a classroom and doesn't even have a ring.

I mean, who cares. Why do the Jim Cornettes of the world get riled up over such dumb shit.

It makes it harder for everyone to make a living trying to present a serious presentation. You can’t pass around the collection plate after telling people there is no God. You may not agree with the philosophy of taking wrestling seriously, but some people believe that credibility is the most crucial element to getting people to emotionally invest. And I think there is a very reasonable case to be made that the evidence supports this to be true.

You’ll get a few blokes having a yuck enjoying the “entertaining displays,” and that’s cool for them. But wrestling may also be in a hole because of it.

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5513375)
Goldberg's son is 15 years old and no one was outraged about him being involved.

I'm not a fan of kids wrestling, I think it's dangerous, but I'm not going to wind my gears up about something that's already happened.

Eh, I’m not a fan of the Goldberg stuff either. Get in his face after beating his dad and make it personal. No reason to get a kid to even take a slight bump for that drama. It was actually a very “edgy” thing they did, in their own cartoonish way.

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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5513405)
Only thing I can provably say about Omega is that he associates with questionable*, shitty** people.

I have said this before, but I wouldn't associate with Emi Sakura. Emi Sakura, has trained several extremely underaged girls. In between ICE Ribbon and ChocoPro, she ran Gatoh Move out of Thailand, one the world's biggest human trafficking hubs. Trained a bunch of girls, but doesn't provide a ring for them to work in?

Also, Japan didn't have a major "#MeToo" movement like the US and England did, let alone a "#SpeakingOut" movement. Luckily for several talents, I would imagine.

*All of one of the party's appearances in Being the Elite were scrubbed for some reason...
**At one point, Omega denied having ever met one of the parties involved in this story,despite him being wrestling at an event he booked. This photo was used to debunk that. During this most recent meltdown, he is claiming that he didn't know who this guy was and it was the only dealings he had with him. I am not a fan of Richochet, Zybysko, or Moose either.

Excellent post. I don’t know the context behind the Ricochet point though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5513408)
God they need some PR people over there to tell these guys how to behave in interviews and on social media. Kenny is an EVP of an operation that is square in the public eye. He shouldn't even be responding to trolls like that. No wrestlers anywhere should for that matter. It's childish and beyond petty and just not a good look at all.

Feel like so many of these guys (and quite a few in WWE and other places too) were never told the golden roll of the internet, especially for famous people/content creators: DON'T READ THE COMMENTS. They never go the way you want them to.

Another excellent post.

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5513419)
You can't really blame Cornette for getting riled up about that stuff. He spent decades in the business, where protecting the illusion was the number 1 priority, and the slightest infraction could get you blacklisted. It's been ingrained into his very being since the 70's, and you can't just turn that off. You probably can't ever turn that off.

I think at this point, the toothpaste has been so far out of the tube for so long, that the comedy shit can't really do any more damage to this business. But it also doesn't help it in any way.

Now if some small company in bumfuck, Japan wants to do comedy shit, then whatever, I don't care. I have a problem with it, when you do completely ridiculous nonsense, and then try and present a serious wrestling show in the very next segment. That's a disconnect for me.

Nailing it.

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Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5513626)
Jim Cornette has a platform which allows him to accuse Omega of being some sort of pedophile for his friendship of Riho, not to mention saying disgusting shit about Riho, Shida, Emi, and Yuka by saying they’re only booked to fulfill Kenny’s fetishes. Unsurprisingly his cult then goes along with it and harass Kenny online about it all the time.

While I agree it’s best to walk away from trolls and not engage their terrible behavior, I can only imagine how grating it is to have to read this shit and have your friends belittled every single day. Everyone has a limit where they can’t take anymore.

Social media was one of humanity’s worst creations.

Oh, shut up. Cornette has done no such thing. The closest he ever came to insulting Omega that way was referencing “abusing children,” which Brian Last pulled him up on, and Cornette clarified he meant in the kayfabe act of wrestling them. Which happened. Cornette almost definitely has nothing to do with this.

And the shit about Emi Sakura, et al? There’s a point to be made there. They’re not very good wrestlers and there’s definitely an element of sleaze involved in how Emi promotes. You might be fine with a little sleaze in your promoting with consenting adults and whatever, but it doesn’t make reporting on it inaccurate.

xrodmuc316 01-10-2022 12:08 PM

"My dad marveled when he meet Hook because, you know, my dad took me to ECW when I was a kid, and when I was 13 years old, my dad was there in Philly with me,” Khan said. “And my dad saw Taz. I was wearing a big orange Taz shirt the whole weekend. Well, not the whole weekend. I had a Darth Vader shirt on Friday, but the Saturday, I had an orange Taz shirt. I gotta tell you, my dad was so impressed [with Taz]. He said to Hook, ‘You know, your dad’s a tough guy. Like, I was in this place and that place was no joke. And he was like, the king of that place.’ And like, both Taz and Hook were so proud.”

This is like, a 40 year old man, and he is like talking like you know, he is STILL like 13 years old...

At least his goofy self took the time to let us know he didn't wear the SAME shirt all weekend :rofl:

#1-norm-fan 01-10-2022 02:42 PM

Imagine if he didn’t clarify that he wore a different shirt one day and then a picture started circulating from that weekend where he was wearing a different shirt.

Imagine the meltdown.

“LOL he said he was wearing the same shirt all weekend and here’s PROOF that he wasn’t! Stupid lying Tony at it again!”

Wehttam 01-10-2022 03:11 PM

autism on autism violence needs to end

Jordan 01-10-2022 03:25 PM

The world marvels at Hook. Taz, what a specimen himself.

Vastardikai 01-10-2022 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5513638)
Excellent post. I don’t know the context behind the Ricochet point though.

Ricochet and Moose have trained at Vision One Dojo (Rance's school.) Larry has funded it and even had him living with him at one point.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect
Oh, shut up. Cornette has done no such thing. The closest he ever came to insulting Omega that way was referencing “abusing children,” which Brian Last pulled him up on, and Cornette clarified he meant in the kayfabe act of wrestling them. Which happened. Cornette almost definitely has nothing to do with this.

And the shit about Emi Sakura, et al? There’s a point to be made there. They’re not very good wrestlers and there’s definitely an element of sleaze involved in how Emi promotes. You might be fine with a little sleaze in your promoting with consenting adults and whatever, but it doesn’t make reporting on it inaccurate.

A few things on this 1. I think Cornette has accused Omega of having a sexual relationship with Riho at one point, based on how he books her. Likely not knowing how long the parties have known each other. In other words, despite dismissing her as a "Japanese School Girl," Omega actually knew her as a Japanese School Girl.

Going back to Rance, he has something in common with Sakura: Both train underaged girls in their schools (even after Rance was convicted of molestation.).

xrodmuc316 01-11-2022 12:46 AM

Rockstar Spud/Drake Maverick is the real scumbag, fighting a one year old!


XL 01-11-2022 01:02 PM

I agree that these guys need to learn how to conduct themselves on Twitter, however, the bar has been set very low by a then-in office POTUS. Gonna take some time for the platform to “correct itself”.

Vastardikai 01-11-2022 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5513860)
Rockstar Spud/Drake Maverick is the real scumbag, fighting a one year old!


finally, someone Spud can look menacing against. :shifty:

xrodmuc316 01-11-2022 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5513998)
finally, someone Spud can look menacing against. :shifty:

Maxel is probably 4 or 5 now, so he could win a shoot fight right now over Tony Khan :rofl:

xrodmuc316 01-12-2022 03:31 AM

LOL This Fucking Company, in today's World how have they not been cancelled?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes. AEW fans need therapy. <br><br>Everyone needs therapy, yet the access to therapy is complex and impossible for most people. <br><br>This tweet is embarrassing and more indication a training on social media etiquette for those who hold the passwords to these accounts. <a href="https://t.co/mQpIepB31N">pic.twitter.com/mQpIepB31N</a></p>&mdash; Auntie with the good tits 🏳️█🌈 (@collzorgs) <a href="https://twitter.com/collzorgs/status/1480675291496267777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have no idea why people are trying to explain the AEW therapy tweet to me 😂 <br><br>it’s received differently without the graphic.<br><br>But it wasn’t tweeted without the graphic.<br><br>It was received how it was presented, and that’s why it got deleted.</p>&mdash; Northwest Cee (@CeeHawk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CeeHawk/status/1480904536655110144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Making a joke or mockery of ppl going to therapy when one of their top stars Moxley just went and Omega is on the verge of going, is a very bad look for AEW<br><br>The disastrous 2022 continues for AEW<br><br>SMH <a href="https://t.co/XBlmMLQAGB">https://t.co/XBlmMLQAGB</a></p>&mdash; JobberNationTV: THE REALITY CHECK FOR THE IWC (@JobberNationTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JobberNationTV/status/1480724689982930944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 01-12-2022 03:34 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sure is me, you cunt. At a show. Post vax, pre omicron, had to show proof of vax to gain entrance. NOT STALKING ANYONE AT AN AIRPORT OR A HOTEL. How stupid are you? <a href="https://t.co/5mEseS94kR">https://t.co/5mEseS94kR</a></p>&mdash; player/coach (@CMPunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/1481072700256931844?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

XL 01-12-2022 06:43 AM

:nono:

Jordan 01-12-2022 09:22 AM

Punk gonna snap and go home eventually.

slik 01-12-2022 02:47 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With his biggest match to date happening later tonight, I can confirm, without hesitation, that WWE will be extremely interested in luring Wardlow away from AEW when his contract is due. There are several people within World Wrestling Entertainment that LOVE his potential.</p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1481275092298567688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 01-12-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5514132)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With his biggest match to date happening later tonight, I can confirm, without hesitation, that WWE will be extremely interested in luring Wardlow away from AEW when his contract is due. There are several people within World Wrestling Entertainment that LOVE his potential.</p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1481275092298567688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is the new thing now, AEW leaks these stories so they can play up to the perception that they are the best by saying "oh WWE really wants this guy and that guy from us".

WWE wants people who are coming out of college, athletes in their early 20's they can create from scratch, not a mid 30's Indy guy.

Mr. Nerfect 01-12-2022 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5514140)
This is the new thing now, AEW leaks these stories so they can play up to the perception that they are the best by saying "oh WWE really wants this guy and that guy from us".

WWE wants people who are coming out of college, athletes in their early 20's they can create from scratch, not a mid 30's Indy guy.

Yes. And I think that a lot of people in AEW are persona non grata, frankly. They don’t need you. You’re not a star. We’ll build our own or take people from this place instead.

Jordan 01-12-2022 04:09 PM

WWE looking at WARDLOW to feud with Roman and Lesnar, potential new Undertake role that's been worked called "GRAVEDIGGER" apparently WWE has been in contact with Monster Truck about a licensing of that classic American trademark.

#1-norm-fan 01-12-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5514153)
WWE looking at WARDLOW to feud with Roman and Lesnar, potential new Undertake role that's been worked called "GRAVEDIGGER" apparently WWE has been in contact with Monster Truck about a licensing of that classic American trademark.

Just bring in the truck itself as a wrestler. Fuck it. A wrestler was eaten by zombies after a match last year. Slap some CGI arms on that beast and book your WrestleMania main event.

Vastardikai 01-13-2022 12:51 AM

We may have to rename this the "Official AEW Twitter Meltdown Thread" at this rate.

Mr. Nerfect 01-13-2022 01:00 AM

Apparently it’s not only the big time that comes with pressure.

Mr. Nerfect 01-13-2022 01:13 AM

CM Punk should probably take the therapy option.

Mr. Nerfect 01-13-2022 01:37 AM

Lol, AEW is putting out a rap album featuring its black talent telling the story of their come-up for Black History Month. A lot of people are already dunking on them for being tone-deaf. Brandi has even come out and said “I have nothing to do with this, so please give it a chance.”

You can’t make this shit up.

xrodmuc316 01-13-2022 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5514528)
Lol, AEW is putting out a rap album featuring its black talent telling the story of their come-up for Black History Month. A lot of people are already dunking on them for being tone-deaf. Brandi has even come out and said “I have nothing to do with this, so please give it a chance.”

You can’t make this shit up.

I am sure that has been long planned and wasn't a knee jerk reaction to Big Swole drama or anything :rofl:

Sepholio 01-13-2022 03:46 AM

If you ask me I think putting out a rap album is basic thuganomics.

Lock Jaw 01-13-2022 08:31 AM

Remember that one clip of Punk shouting at a fan "you have a vagina!!"

Wonder how quick he would get canceled if he did it today...

Jordan 01-13-2022 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5514528)
Lol, AEW is putting out a rap album featuring its black talent telling the story of their come-up for Black History Month. A lot of people are already dunking on them for being tone-deaf. Brandi has even come out and said “I have nothing to do with this, so please give it a chance.”

You can’t make this shit up.

I've always wanted to hear Shoddy Lee Johnson and Private Party lay down some tracks!

Jordan 01-13-2022 09:30 AM

I think that Tony has blown it with Andrade. When Andrade came into town he certainly had a breathe of fresh air about him and seemed to be immediately launched into the main event scene. There was a few weeks of exciting stuff with Andrade and then... Whatever he's doing now.

I don't mean to sound dramatic but I think they've blown it with him. Now he just cuts random quick inaudible backstage segments and has a TERRIBLE manager.

Maybe Flair's Darkside controversy did cost Andrade a major angle for AEW and now they are regrouping creatively for Andrade, but I feel the quick chance of having a new legit main eventer in Andrade is out the window. I'm almost at the point where I think Andrade shouldn't get resigned when negotiations come up, especially if he only signed for a year initially.

screech 01-13-2022 10:04 AM

He was nearly "canceled" for it at the time, wasn't he?

#1-norm-fan 01-13-2022 10:09 AM

The TPWW Right to Say Stupid Things Initiative should extend to “Wrestling Twitter”.

Therefore I’d like to officially condemn CM Punk for calling that guy stupid just because he said something stupid.

Lock Jaw 01-13-2022 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 5514562)
He was nearly "canceled" for it at the time, wasn't he?

I don't think so. Not even close. The reception seemed more "ha ha Punk funny" from the majority

Damian Rey 2.0 01-13-2022 11:50 AM

Andrade can’t speak English and they clearly aren’t interested in giving him a mouthpiece as opposed to letting him learn to cut his own promos. It’s a shame Zelina went back to WWE. In the meantime, Andrade had a great series with Pac, a great match with Cody and now they’re regrouping with him. It’s fine. Until he gets a mouthpiece or his English jumps leaps and bounds, he’s going to be limited in how far you can go with him. He’s fine. He’s still being regularly featured and presented well. He’s just in a holding pattern.

Damian Rey 2.0 01-13-2022 11:52 AM

He had to apologize for it almost immediately after if I recall. He also called him a homo and asked if his name was Sally. The blowback was almost immediate. Today he’d get dragged relentlessly but it didn’t fly under the radar at the time.

slik 01-13-2022 12:34 PM

I like Daniel Garcia's twitter account because every time he loses a match he provides a technical explanation of why


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve seen many people get caught by Sammy’s leapfrog, backflip evasion, dropkick on AEW, and years before that on the independents. He gains momentum with this pattern in his matches, and it’s hard to slow him down once he hits it. I thought this was the solution. <a href="https://t.co/EkrkV4p7zW">https://t.co/EkrkV4p7zW</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Garcia (@GarciaWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/GarciaWrestling/status/1481510984728592384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fignuts 01-13-2022 01:11 PM

That's great. So many wrestlers break character on social media. Very cool to see someone specifically use it to keep kayfabe alive.

ron the dial 01-13-2022 01:15 PM

it seems like a lot of indie cats use social media for the same reason. i'm thinking specifically of effy, especially his feud with matt cardona. he's doing the same thing now building up the match with jeff jarrett. it's really cool to see instead of it being the place where folks just go fuck it, i post whatever i want.

Jordan 01-13-2022 01:49 PM

Very excited for House of Black. I feel they are going to get over huge and the tag division is endless right now.

GD 01-13-2022 02:13 PM

Something that truly baffles me is how the IWC gives him a free pass for ditching his friend during a highly contested trial.

Mr. Nerfect 01-13-2022 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5514543)
Remember that one clip of Punk shouting at a fan "you have a vagina!!"

Wonder how quick he would get canceled if he did it today...

People can always dig that stuff up, and he can always say “different time, I’ve changed.” It may even be true. But this was another shitty thing to do that can be added to the CM Punk pile. He is likely to really put his foot in it one day.

Mr. Nerfect 01-13-2022 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5514588)
I like Daniel Garcia's twitter account because every time he loses a match he provides a technical explanation of why


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve seen many people get caught by Sammy’s leapfrog, backflip evasion, dropkick on AEW, and years before that on the independents. He gains momentum with this pattern in his matches, and it’s hard to slow him down once he hits it. I thought this was the solution. <a href="https://t.co/EkrkV4p7zW">https://t.co/EkrkV4p7zW</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Garcia (@GarciaWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/GarciaWrestling/status/1481510984728592384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good for him. This is the sort of thing wrestling Twitter should be used for.

Fignuts 01-13-2022 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GD (Post 5514602)
Something that truly baffles me is how the IWC gives him a free pass for ditching his friend during a highly contested trial.

Was there any documented proof that colt was in the right, or was it a case of he said she said?

Triple A 01-13-2022 04:38 PM

Shida "going to Japan"... seems like Deeb attacking her leg was a way to write her off for a while

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m so sorry that the last match before I go back to Japan had to end like that. <br>I had a lot of things I wanted to do in Japan, but now I will rest my leg as much as I can.<br>.<br>I’LL BE BACK.<br>.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://t.co/MJ5grpezTU">pic.twitter.com/MJ5grpezTU</a></p>&mdash; HIKARU SHIDA 志田 光 (@shidahikaru) <a href="https://twitter.com/shidahikaru/status/1481727268422569984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 01-13-2022 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5514558)
I think that Tony has blown it with Andrade.

Tony Khan does not know how to book. Everything is a run in to set up the next match. Rinse and Repeat

Triple A 01-13-2022 05:00 PM

I really wish they would stop so heavily using the run in or "beat down after the match" stuff tbh... seems like 2-5 times per show for the past few months, seems lazy. Feel like the first year was much more creative

Sting Fan 01-13-2022 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5514645)
I really wish they would stop so heavily using the run in or "beat down after the match" stuff tbh... seems like 2-5 times per show for the past few months, seems lazy. Feel like the first year was much more creative

I think its a side affect of the "everyones aligned with someone mentality", it does feel over used at times but I think without it and the multi man matches (which I love btw) people would feel even more lost in the shuffle.

Upsides and downsides to a massive roster and maybe there missing a central figure to book stuff as opposed to the "norm" or what were used too.

I like the wins and losses matter, I like the way there using lesser shoes to pad stats to give guys reasons and look credible but it does feel like its either a grudge match or a contenders match. Almost needs some other device to book stuff preferably without "insert evil authority figure here".

I think another side affect of it all is the way people go missing of TV for a few weeks, but I don't really mind that either. Knowing how much of a toll this takes on performers a few weeks off here or there keeps the charachter fresh and gives performers a break.

Its all intertwined a bit I think.

Jordan 01-13-2022 06:07 PM

Is it a bad idea to bring on Gabe? I mean Tony has a lot of jobs between all he does with AEW and the two football teams. Is he married with kids? He should get someone to share the load with.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 06:12 PM

I would like the wins and losses matter bit if they actually mattered. Lance Archer is getting a title feud right now based on nothing.

Go look at AEWs official rankings right now. Adam Cole is ranked #1.

Damian Rey 2.0 01-13-2022 06:58 PM

Quick google search says there was an alleged verbal agreement between the two. Maybe there’s more but if that’s all it was then it’s he said she said. Seeing as both suits were dropped I’d guess neither had any evidence to favor one side or the other. I also don’t see why IWC would give a shit. That’s a personal issue between those.

Damian Rey 2.0 01-13-2022 07:02 PM

The ratings just reset. Archer only needs a few wins to shoot up the rankings. If this were a month or so ago I’d agree.

Sting Fan 01-13-2022 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5514655)
I would like the wins and losses matter bit if they actually mattered. Lance Archer is getting a title feud right now based on nothing.

Go look at AEWs official rankings right now. Adam Cole is ranked #1.

Yeah but I think thats the key to they matter vs. they are the only thing that matters. Cole is a central piece of the show and when they mentioned he was #1 ranked I wasnt surprised at all, it felt right. But right now hes sidetracked on a bit of a grudge series with OC. This isnt uncommon in Boxing or MMA either.

I think it also adds credence sometimes to guys you dont see so much like Bear Country. Cant remember if it was ranking or number of wins they talked about on the Dynamite but as a guy who hasnt seen them much it gave them instant credence with me as a viewer.

Seems like Archer will face Hangman for Revolution but I assume Cole will be his next big feud.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 07:20 PM

You can't have it both ways. Either wins and losses matter or they don't. Cole shouldn't be the number #1 contender yet and Archer shouldn't be getting another title shot.

Cole is 13-4. Archer is 41-11. Wardlow is 40-6. The one with the best track record there is the only one not in the title picture.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 07:24 PM

Sammy Guevara is 24-15 in singles competition. Why is he even anywhere near any title when there are prob at least 20 guys with better records?

xrodmuc316 01-13-2022 07:25 PM

If I remember correctly Colt had communication from the lawyer that Phil was paying, and some text messages too. Everything was cool until Colt visited with friends when WWE was in town. Phil took that shit personally because he is a fragile ego bitch and suddenly wanted money after that.

Sting Fan 01-13-2022 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5514671)
You can't have it both ways. Either wins and losses matter or they don't. Cole shouldn't be the number #1 contender yet and Archer shouldn't be getting another title shot.

Cole is 13-4. Archer is 41-11. Wardlow is 40-6. The one with the best track record there is the only one not in the title picture.

Sure you can... for a start its all make believe. None of the oiled up muscle men slapping each other in undies are out to actually hurt each other. I feel like I covered it above with wins and losses matter, but there not all that matters.

You can have rankings and be side tracked if your highly ranked, you can use rankings for relevance of others on the list. You can also have your #1 contender face the champion on a nightly basis if you so wish. I woudlnt advise it.

Even in combat sports that arent pre determined the #1 ranked person not getting the next shot or picking there spot to take a shot if they can isnt unheard of.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 07:30 PM

LOL. That's a whole lot of spin for what amounts to "I know records don't matter just let me pretend they do because AEW says they do".

Sting Fan 01-13-2022 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5514676)
LOL. That's a whole lot of spin for what amounts to "I know records don't matter just let me pretend they do because AEW says they do".

I'm watching oiled up muscle men in undies pretend to slap each other about... If this is the hill your dying on for suspension of disbelief I don't know what to tell you.

How anyone can argue "Its not realistic" while straight faced after watching a "Deadman" sit atop the sport for 30 odd years I dont know. Thats before we discuss the 30 odd moments of ridiculous contrived movements in even the greatest matches of all time.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 07:39 PM

What are you even talking about? Who is talking about suspension of disbelief? Do you even know what that term means? Everyone knows it's fake. No one is arguing that it "isn't realistic". I'm saying that the whole "records matter" trope is patently false. It's a lie.

You said records matter. They don't. Period. That's all this discussion has been about. Why are you deflecting with ridiculous unrelated claims that would make Xrod blush?

Sepholio 01-13-2022 07:41 PM

Can't believe you can't see how ridiculous your argument is. Your first post literally states that you like how wins and losses matter and yet you admit in every subsequent post that they don't actually matter. What are you even doing here?

xrodmuc316 01-13-2022 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5514666)
The ratings just reset.

Yeah, reset back to under a million :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sepholio 01-13-2022 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5514666)
The ratings just reset. Archer only needs a few wins to shoot up the rankings. If this were a month or so ago I’d agree.

Sorry I missed this. I know they reset. I also know bryan is ranked #3 in the new rankings with a losing record this years and is ahead of guys with winning records.

Serious question: When is the last time the rankings were used at all in factoring in who gets the next title program? Because for quite a while now the spot haa been given to whichever guy wins a tournament/ladder match/battle royal or just whoever does a run in on the champ.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 08:02 PM

Id like to clarify that i dont personally have a problem with whos been in the title picture. Its been a good scene. This argument is purely based on the whole records matter thing. Personally I always thought having records matter in a scripted show was a stupid idea. Youd either have the same guys at the top all time or your booking of people would have to be wildly inconsistent to rotate the people at the top of the rankings.

Maluco 01-13-2022 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5514596)
Very excited for House of Black. I feel they are going to get over huge and the tag division is endless right now.

After all that hype and that amazing entrance, that even had my brother message me and ask who he was (despite having not watched wrestling for a decade), is he going to be a tag guy now?

If so, that is really poor. He had people talking when he came in and should have been pushed to the moon.

GD 01-13-2022 08:37 PM

I’ve heard xrod’s version of it. Also, Punk has a history of being a difficult friend. The IWC does tend to be opinionated about personal matters, yeah?

GD 01-13-2022 08:39 PM

Not denying that Punk’s a joy to watch when it comes to in-ring completion and promos.

GD 01-13-2022 08:43 PM

He even paid for Mercury’s house when it was going to be foreclosed :(

xrodmuc316 01-13-2022 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GD (Post 5514710)
He even paid for Mercury’s house when it was going to be foreclosed :(

LOL so he made a payment on a different friend's house, so to balance things out he decided to screw over Colt?

GD 01-13-2022 09:03 PM

We don’t know that for sure. We need further proof.

Sting Fan 01-13-2022 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5514683)
Can't believe you can't see how ridiculous your argument is. Your first post literally states that you like how wins and losses matter and yet you admit in every subsequent post that they don't actually matter. What are you even doing here?

I also quite clearly gave an example of Bear Country who I couldn't give a fuck about and being surprised when there ranking (or W-L) was mentioned made me double take and view them in a more positive light. Hence it matters.

I cant understand how your not seeing what I'm saying, How about we each believe the others an idiot and move on?

Sepholio 01-13-2022 11:42 PM

You're definitely doing a good job of making everyone believe you're an idiot.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 11:46 PM

The rankings matter because they make you feel better about people with good records. Not because they are used like, you know, actual rankings to determine the pecking order.

LOL, k.

Sepholio 01-13-2022 11:48 PM

I'll take distinguishing between subjective and objective reasoning for $1,000, Alex.

Evil Vito 01-14-2022 08:55 AM

I thought the rankings and stat tracking was a neat idea but this long into the promotion it's proving to be a hindrance.

The example I keep going back to - Evil Uno and Stu Grayson haven't worked a regular tag match for AEW since September. And in early 2021 they were barely tagging either. They always end up in trios matches instead. This is because they don't want them racking up wins where they have to get a tag title shot, but they don't want them taking losses either. It's clunky and restrictive.

Fignuts 01-14-2022 09:01 AM

Doesn't have to be. They could have just given them a title shot on dynamite or something. The ranking could add unique and different kinds of storytelling, but it requires work and planning. So far they've been very lazy in how they've utilized it.

xrodmuc316 01-14-2022 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 5514702)
After all that hype and that amazing entrance, that even had my brother message me and ask who he was (despite having not watched wrestling for a decade), is he going to be a tag guy now?

If so, that is really poor. He had people talking when he came in and should have been pushed to the moon.

Tony Khan Booker of the Year :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Mr. Nerfect 01-14-2022 05:05 PM

The ranking system was and always will be a bad idea. The beauty of pro-wrestling is that you can control things. Having a fixed scorecard takes away elements of your control. You end up at the mercy of the stats. The emotional connection to a push is way more important than how many wins they’ve actually had.

xrodmuc316 01-14-2022 05:42 PM

Not exactly a tweet, but AEW employee Dave Meltzer making a Holocaust joke about WWE, because they are the same thing apparently.

https://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/...oke-About-WWE/

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As someone who lost multiple family members in the holocaust I take it beyond seriously. The line was to <br>bring up the question of using the term Elimination Chamber in Saudi Arabia. Obviously it was meant as a message but I apologize for those who were offended by it. <a href="https://t.co/sXbVV1iJWR">https://t.co/sXbVV1iJWR</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1482016279921782785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD 01-14-2022 05:44 PM

Fucking Tony Khan :nono:

xrodmuc316 01-14-2022 05:48 PM

Dave apologized for the people who got offended.

He did not apologize for offending people. He did not apologize TO the offended people.

He apologized to his Cultist that people were offended. The offended people are the problem!

Isn't this tool supposed to a professional writer??? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

GD 01-14-2022 05:50 PM

lol :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Maluco 01-14-2022 07:09 PM

Wrestling is all about capitalizing on the buzz when someone is hot. You need to be free to do that. WWE is rotten nowadays, but AEW are proving to be the worst at capitalizing on the buzz. Malakai Black looked awesome, and now he is going to tag? What?

CM Punk’s return was called “one of the most anticipated nights in a a decade” by one wrestling article, and then he wrestled Bobby Fish, some guy called Garcia and QT Marshall and feuded with some Indy guy that no casual will have ever heard of (Kingston)

You jump on someone when they are hot. No casual is tuning in now no matter what is next. You have stuck the red hot iron in cold water.

It would be like Undertaker coming back after one of his breaks and getting into it with Crash Holly before having random matches with Val Venis and Steve Blackman on Smackdown and Superstars. Completely bizarre.

Damian Rey 2.0 01-14-2022 07:27 PM

No casual is tuning in period.

I’m fine with the rankings but they need to set it up like power rankings. Punk beating Darby is a big deal. He was relatively fresh off a long title reign and immensely popular. If they ranked guys on quality of wins instead the rankings would work better.

Add it stands I think they’re fine. It almost worked to get Hangman back into the main event scene before he took off for daddy duty. They used it to push Jurassic Express (who should’ve been the one to dethrone the Bucks). It’s hit and miss but it certainly hasn’t hindered their booking.

When they get somebody like Abadon rising up its not difficult to give her a throwaway title match on free TV.

But Vito is right. It’s been clunky.

Destor 01-14-2022 08:22 PM

didn't you guys hear? casuals are make believe

Mr. Nerfect 01-14-2022 10:46 PM

I like Daniel Garcia. I don’t love him. I think he’s way overexposed in his current spot. But if he was in an OVW or NXT I think he would stand out heaps. He carries himself seriously. They just like to tell and not show. And when it’s time to tell they just show.

slik 01-14-2022 10:52 PM

they should bring in sylvester stallone for a 'celebrity match' with chris jericho


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