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Rob Ban Fan 02-10-2005 08:31 AM

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I agree with ECG in the way that I don't think Sven should just chuck out England caps to anyone. Its embarassing to think that fat fuck Michael Ricketts has an England cap.

I think Shaun Wright-Phillips is good enough, he'll give us pace and has been scoring in the premiership this season and last season. He was poor yesterday but everyone knows he can do better than that.

Im not so sure about Andy Johnson or Stewart Downing though</font>

Wengerland 02-10-2005 09:19 AM

I dunno, if you don't try different players then you'll never know, and that's a plus point for having friendlies. It's a win-win thing really, as the players (eg Andy Johnson) form is good then they deservedly win a call up, then if they play well everything's fine, if not then at least the national coach would have learned that the player in question is not up to international standard.

Cactus Sid 02-10-2005 09:24 AM

At the end of the day, the only judgement you can make on both of them is from 30 minutes of football.

Johnson was played out of position. He's not Bellamy (bad example I know) who has pace and can cross a ball, Johnson is an out and out striker and he should've played there.

From what I've seen, Downing hardly touched the ball, and in 30 minutes of an incredibly poor, slow paced match, he was hardly gonna have the chance to shine.

Not really sure about the match as a whole as I was watching Ireland as well.

Wengerland 02-10-2005 09:34 AM

Did Alan Maybury get on for Ireland? :cool:

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWEngland
I dunno, if you don't try different players then you'll never know, and that's a plus point for having friendlies. It's a win-win thing really, as the players (eg Andy Johnson) form is good then they deservedly win a call up, then if they play well everything's fine, if not then at least the national coach would have learned that the player in question is not up to international standard.

There's no point trying different players unless you try to fit them into the system you intend to use for competitive games, with the players you intend to use.

Like I said about Brian Kerr: he gives other players a chance, players who are pushing for a place in the line up or who are young and need experience, but he doesn't fuck up his system. The players play in their best positions and the positions they would take in a competitive game.

It means you don't end up with 8 or 9 lads who don't know each other, playing for half an hour out of position, with nothing learned about them or their ability at international level, or about the system as a whole.

Sven just uses it as a chance to throw out caps, not realistically look at players who are going to do the business.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWEngland
Did Alan Maybury get on for Ireland? :cool:

No. I don't expect he'll figure much when Finnan and Carr are fit. Ian Harte may get back into the fold too, so that might limit his opportunities altogether.

Wengerland 02-10-2005 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto
There's no point trying different players unless you try to fit them into the system you intend to use for competitive games, with the players you intend to use.

Like I said about Brian Kerr: he gives other players a chance, players who are pushing for a place in the line up or who are young and need experience, but he doesn't fuck up his system. The players play in their best positions and the positions they would take in a competitive game.

It means you don't end up with 8 or 9 lads who don't know each other, playing for half an hour out of position, with nothing learned about them or their ability at international level, or about the system as a whole.

Sven just uses it as a chance to throw out caps, not realistically look at players who are going to do the business.

Yeah i agree with that, don't get me wrong or anything, i wasn't defending the decision to play Johnson out of position but i just feel he deserved his chance, given the number of goals he's scored for a struggling side. I reckon Sven only used that system to keep the SWP fans happy as he could play on the right, and to keep Beckham in, i don't expect him to use anything other than 4-4-2 in competitive games, so his mistake really.

Johnson may not be in the same league as Owen as a forward, but it's taking a look to see how he copes incase Owen is injured or something.Then again you can just look at Everton, sold their best player last summer but it's worked out for the good of the team and if Johnson or whoever helps the team better than Owen, regardless of who's better, then that is my main concern.

But yeah, Sven knows he's not going to drop Owen, Rooney, Beckham e.t.c, so friendlies may aswell be used to give potential left midfielders 90 minutes to stake a claim from an England point of view, everything else apart from the central defensive pairing is done.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 11:13 AM

Sven has made England friendlies meaningless. They weren't always like that, and other nations take them seriously as warm-up and preparation games.

Sven will have learned nothing about Andy Johnson out on the right wing.

Danny Electric 02-10-2005 11:30 AM

Johnson and Downing deserved their call-ups. Both have been outstanding for a while. Downing since he broke into the Boro' line up and Johnson for the last two seasons. The fact that Johnson has scored 15 goals in a Crystal Palace team fighting not to get relegated is outstanding.
Sven once again showed that he is a dick, fair play to Marco Van Basten for trying new players in friendlies and giving them a proper run out. Johnson and Downing should have been given more time on the pitch and Johnson was played out of position when he came on. You could see the frustration on his face towards the end. Just as long as crappy Vassel isn't given another call-up then all is well.

Danny Electric 02-10-2005 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto
Sven has made England friendlies meaningless. They weren't always like that, and other nations take them seriously as warm-up and preparation games.

Sven will have learned nothing about Andy Johnson out on the right wing.


:y:

Oxstar 02-10-2005 12:34 PM

Sven has totally pissed me off, actually seeing a Palace player play for England and he gets played out of position. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 01:34 PM

Darius Vassell hasn't been the same since he became lead singer of Bloc Party.

Dazz 02-10-2005 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yianni
Well they won. Ole ole ole ole Hellas Hellas :love: :D

The goals were scored in the first half by KING THEO ZAGORAKIS (first international goal) and a penalty from Angelos Basinas. Poor defending and lack of communication up the back from Nikopolidis gifted Denmark a goal in first half injury time and the 2-1 scoreline remained for the rest of the game. From the highlights we were absolutely outstanding in the first half and should have buried Denmark but were a bit sloppy in the second period and had to rely on some decent saves by Nikopolidis to grind out the win.

The win promotes us to 2nd in Group 2, with a game in hand over Ukraine who are in first place. They had a 0-2 win over Albania and are 6 points ahead of Greece now. The advantage we have is that we have already played them away from home and we managed with a decent result, a 1-1 draw having come from a goal down. So we have Ukraine at home for the return fixture and if we win that game we'll close them up. Next game up for Greece is next month away to Georgia then a home game against Albania. We really (and must) win these games convincingly and set ourselves up to finish at the very least in 2nd spot. Still, we have yet to play Denmark and Turkey away so it will be difficult.

Jesus shitting christ, I'm well behind with the times, I have no idea whats going on really. Group seems pretty tough, I'd have said Denmark, Turkey and you lot would be fighting it out, supruisd Ukraine are there. Looks like it's gunna be hard to get through, maybe I should burn my Greek flag if you are going ot piss it all up.

Hargreaves is shit, Wright Phillip's played a shocker, Beckham needs to fucking listen to me and square some fre kicks for Lamps, Rooney or Gerrard to smash, the only one that went over the wall was weak.

Duff is the man, once the Drog is back, everyone will realise that all we need if the two of them, Duff crosses it, Drog outpowers the shit out of the defenders, goal.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 01:45 PM

Duff destroyed the Portuguese last night. I fucking love him. Such a little genius tramp.

Also, he raked his studs down the back of Ronaldo's calf and trod on his heel. Got a yellow card for it ahahahahaha. First time I have ever seen Duff do something like that.

Danny Electric 02-10-2005 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto
Darius Vassell hasn't been the same since he became lead singer of Bloc Party.


:D

Dazz 02-10-2005 01:50 PM

Yeah Duff is yet to be a bad ass for Chelsea, the little whiney shit spends most of his time diving, bithcing to the ref or lino, or on the floor. I guess he takes more pride when playing for Ireland.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 01:54 PM

He dives a fair bit for Ireland too. Well, it's not diving, as such, he gets fouled but he hits the deck to make sure he gets the free kick. Like the defender will come into the back of him with a shoulder, and Duff will tumble when he probably could have stayed up. It takes pressure off our defenders if we can get it up to him, and he can do that.

My mate broke out his video of Ireland's WC 2002 the other week. Duff absolutely destroyed Germany in the group game. Should have beaten them by 3 or 4 goals, but Duff didn't get many goals back then. His finishing has gotten better over the past 2 or 3 seasons.

Dazz 02-10-2005 01:57 PM

Yeah I loved that game, Robbie Keane was the man, that was one of my favourite games of the tournament.

Duff didn't dive last season, Robben has been a bad influence in that respect, but I swear Duff never used to get to the corner of the box, cut inside and curl a shot in at the far post until Robben arrived. If he gets injured now we really are fucked.

Also, you still confident Chelsea will win the league?

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 02:01 PM

Yeah, of course. Ask me again on Saturday afternoon, though. The Everton game will be tough as fuck. I think Everton may try to play a Blackburn game and turn it into a fight, only they have the strikers to back it up. Can't see Eidur Gudjohnsen being up for it if the Everton defenders bully him, on the other hand I think Beattie and Bent will give Chelsea problems.

You do miss Drogba and Robben big time. Chelsea's side without those 2 is really, really workman-like, aside from Duff and Gudjohnsen (who doesn't do any work at all).

I think if Chelsea win this weekend, it's theirs, definitely. I can see them dropping points, though.

On the other hand, I can see United dropping points at City.

Dazz 02-10-2005 02:10 PM

EIDUR IS SHIT, I have said that since I first signed up to TPWW, lazy, uninterested waste of space, he honestly doesnt give a fuck about anything, he is stupidly lazy, apparently his wife has left him and pissed of to Iceland with his kids too.

United will drop at least two points before the end of the season, but didnt they go from Christmas two seasons ago untill the end of the season without losing.

Didn't City get a draw at OT? United will be big time up for it, and James's made some great saves over us, so he is bound to make the mother of all fuck ups against United.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 02:17 PM

Richard Dunne has been MoM against Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal this season. He has been a revelation for City. At Old Trafford he was a colossus, and for once that is in a footballing sense, not in girth or beer belly.

City will be up for it too. I think they're a tricky side. They've been getting the better of United over the past couple of seasons, and I can see them doing it again.

Thing is, if after this weekend the gap comes down to 6 or 7 points, I think it's really, really on. United know they can take 3 off Chelsea at Old Trafford, and if Chelsea even draw a couple of games in a row, I think it will affect them. There's not too many winners at Chelsea, apart from Mourinho. He has instilled confidence in them, but that kind of confidence can be fragile when tested by seasoned winners like Manchester United.

Roy Keane is becoming the best player in the country again.

Dazz 02-10-2005 02:36 PM

The City fans love him, they sung their song for him quite often. City might be up for it, but they will still get shat on, their team cannot match United's, Chelsea never really seemed up for it. If United play Giggs, KEane, Scholes and ROnaldo across the midfield and Rooney with whoever up front, they will win, City aren't very good at attacking, and Fowler is a pasty, or colossus in the other sense of the word.

For fuck sakes Gatesy, I have been telling you for months we have some hard games, like United at OT and the Arse at home, why the feck have you now only mentioned it. And yeah we don't really have too many winners I suppose, just gotta rely largely on Cech, JT, Lampard, Makelele, Robben and Duff, like we have done all season.

Keane has been great since they beat Liverpool last month.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 03:04 PM

I know, but you're just being pessimistic. I couldn't see United putting together this sort of run, to be honest. I didn't think they'd go to Highbury and Anfield and get 6 points, especially after the Spurs and Exeter games.

There's too much for United to do, but it could still run close. I dunno, it's interesting, but not exciting just yet. You never can write off Manchester United, but people keep doing it. I still feel United have the best first 11 in the country, but Mourinho has that Chelsea team organised as fuck, and Cech is magnificent.

Cactus Sid 02-10-2005 03:09 PM

I've got United down to lose and Chelsea down to win this weekend, but the title overall to go down to the last day, Chelsea just edging it out, maybe on goal difference.

Dazz 02-10-2005 03:11 PM

we have the geordies away on the last day of the season, thats a bitch, as are so many of our games to come.

I have always said until United are mathematically out of it I won't rule them out, and I still wont.

Y2Ant 02-10-2005 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto
Also, he raked his studs down the back of Ronaldo's calf and trod on his heel. Got a yellow card for it ahahahahaha. First time I have ever seen Duff do something like that.

:love: :love: :love:

Mr. Monday Morning 02-10-2005 04:47 PM

Remaining fixtures:

Chelsea
12-Feb-05 A Everton
26-Feb-05 H West Bromwich Albion
05-Mar-05 A Norwich City
19-Mar-05 H Crystal Palace
02-Apr-05 A Southampton
09-Apr-05 H Birmingham City
16-Apr-05 A Manchester United
20-Apr-05 H Arsenal
23-Apr-05 H Fulham
30-Apr-05 A Bolton Wanderers
07-May-05 H Charlton Athletic
14-May-05 A Newcastle United

Man U
13-Feb-05 A Manchester City
26-Feb-05 H Portsmouth
05-Mar-05 A Crystal Palace
19-Mar-05 H Fulham
02-Apr-05 H Blackburn Rovers
09-Apr-05 A Norwich City
16-Apr-05 H Chelsea
20-Apr-05 A Everton
23-Apr-05 H Newcastle United
30-Apr-05 A Charlton Athletic
07-May-05 H West Bromwich Albion
14-May-05 A Southampton

tbh it could come down to the last game but I don't think it will.

Chelsea - The obvious ones are Man U, Arsenal, Everton, but also don't forget Bolton gave them probs and they've come into a bit of form again, though whether it'll last I don't know.

I would think Man U will drop points somewhere in there, even if they do steamroller most of them Everton and Charlton away aren't easy by any means.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 04:54 PM

United do have the much easier run-in, to be honest. Chelsea need to start seriously dropping points right now, though, and United can't afford to drop any until they're within sniffing distance at least.

If Cactus Sid was right, United lose and Chelsea win this weekend, there's no way it'd go to the last game. Arsenal would probably take 2nd place back and it'd be pretty much over.

Ogen 02-10-2005 05:49 PM

Jose Antonio Reyes has been involved in a radio hoax in Spain, where he was tricked into admitting his desire to join Real Madrid.

Spanish station Cope Radio pulled off the amazing hoax, by claiming to be Real' sporting director Emilio Butragueno.

Cope Radio contacted Reyes' agent, who in turn informed the Arsenal man to speak to the pranksters claiming to be the Madrid chief.

During the conversation, Reyes admitted to life being 'not great' at Arsenal - confirming growing rumours that he is not settled in North London.

Reyes later went on to say that he would be happy to join Real and that he had always dreamed of playing for Real Madrid.

The Spanish giants had just denied reports of a swap deal involving Michael Owen moving to Arsenal in order to sign Reyes.

The former Sevilla man had himself said that he was concentrating on winning things at Highbury, despite being flattered with Real's interest.

This latest stunt is sure to anger all parties, and Reyes is thought to be considering legal action against the hoaxers.

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ahaaa what a twat.

MoRcHeEbA 02-10-2005 05:57 PM

does Northern Ireland have like the worst soccer team ever? they lost to Canada yesterday so im curious.

El Capitano Gatisto 02-10-2005 05:58 PM

Yes.

Dazz 02-10-2005 06:15 PM

You all dissapoint me, I have been listing our hard run in for months, and NOW you pay attention, we have to fecking travel to FOUR hard away grounds and have a hard home match, far from over, far from over.

Y2Ant 02-10-2005 08:56 PM

United's run is so fucking easy, I see why you are so worried now :o

yianni 02-10-2005 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fungry
"From the highlights we were absolutely outstanding in the first half and should have buried Denmark but were a bit sloppy in the second period and had to rely on some decent saves by Nikopolidis to grind out the win."

wow yanni, you should get a life dude. how much time you spend on that article? enjoy writing blocks of shit that no one will read? talk about something interesting, like porn if you want interest.
--> Dickhead <--

You should stop going through a thread 70 pages long to find one post by me to make fun of.

Also, it's not an article, I wrote that myself from what I'd seen on TV.

Also, my name is yianni not yanni.

Fucking dickhead.

Fungry 02-10-2005 10:34 PM

"Also, it's not an article, I wrote that myself from what I'd seen on TV."
that's my point asshole, you wrote a huge longwinded piece of shit that's uninformed and boring. Go fuck ureself, yianni yanni whatever, same bullshit wop sounding name to me.
and now Morcheeba, Ireland don't have the worst soccer team, they and Serbia rule!
burn motherfucker burn

Fungry 02-10-2005 10:41 PM

oh and for yor info mediterranean olivesuckin' prick, I post in lots of forums, i was just observein' here when i saw you and people like you, which made me angry, so you shouldnt take my criticism lightly,
tool

yianni 02-10-2005 11:05 PM

:roll:

Heyman 02-10-2005 11:09 PM

CAnada will win the World Cup one day.

Now that NHL hockey no longer exists, more Canadians will focus on soccer.

BCWWF 02-10-2005 11:46 PM

I said that the United States has a legitimate chance to win the World Cup in the next 20 years and all the Irish posters started hating on me :lol:

toxic rooster 02-10-2005 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fungry
you wrote a huge longwinded piece of shit

It probably took like 3 minutes to type.


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