I really wouldn't mind seeing Chavo vs. MVP at the Smackdown tapings.

And then maybe Punk vs. Tommy Dreamer on ECW tonight.

I feel sorry for ECW, cause i dunno what they're gonna do now.

I'm gonna be completely honest, I'm definitely going to watch tonight but as a fan and a human being I know I'm gonna have a hard time enjoying wrestling or thinking about anything else pertaining to it while watching it for a long time, if not always... it's truly a much different situation than Eddie or Owen...

That's a really great idea. It'll be a nice little change for once.... to see just matches.

Dean Malenko had me speechless. I don't know how he stayed to strong through his part.

I noticed also when Eddie died, that JBL more than anyone else looks like a child when he's upset. Some guys look confused or scared, and some look like they're trying to keep from falling apart; JBL looks like a scared little boy who wants a hug from his mommy to make it better (and that is not meant as a shot at him either.)

Yeah I was surprised Dean held together

<font color=white>All Benoit merchandise has been removed from WWE.com. As his name in the WMXX match listing. Considering WWE 'has more information' but was asked not to release it by the police, seems to confirm Benoit is guilty.</font>

<font color=white>Add to that Summerslam 2004. Also everything apart from the main story has now gone from the WWE homepage too.</font>

Try to continue on just like the Smackdown and Raw rosters?

Wrestlers are fucked up, it hard life style, and I guess it doesn't attract savory characters like we want it too.

Kings speech last night had me going come tot hink of it, talking about appreciating life more/taking nothing for granted and sending love to his family.

Someone on another site had a real classy picture of the old "Victim of the Crossface" shirt with an image of Nacy on the front.

Yeah but there feels like there's a huge blackhole that's been opened in ECW even tho Benoit was there for one show, he was going to be a huge part of it.

I'm glad they're giving the crew a break from reworking the storylines. I don't know what the hell to think about this whole situation still. It looks more and more like he did it, I'll wait on final judgement until they release everything from their investigation. I hope, if he did it, it was a mental health issue and was not himself. I DON'T however, consider drug abuse (i.e. roids) to be a mental health issue that can redeem him. Drug abuse is SELF INFLICTED. It would have to be something he had no control over to substantiate anything.

But it sounds like he just snapped in the heat of the moment...

some people are unreal. I'm happy to have the TPWW community for all of this. Most people dont understand or care on the level we do. Again, I stress that we didn't know the people involved or directly effected, but it hits closer to us than most.
Everyone here seems to be on the same page as me, and very respectful. You guys are legit great.

But regardless Benoit had an impact on ALL of the wrestlers.

During the interviews with Chavo and Dean last night, did any one get the feeling they knew more than they were letting on?

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but if steroids are involved, aside from the obvious destruction of his family, he has also dealt a swift blow to professional wrestling in general. In the US right now steroid investigations are running rampant through sports, and nobody has killed anybody because of it. NOW, you've got this kind of rogue-sport entertainment company that has no respect from the mass media anyway with a worker who snapped and killed his family under the influence of steriods. This could potentially destroy the WWE and professional wrestling altogether. At the very least it is going to have it severely punished and diminished, and set back a number of years.

CNN report was fucked up. The story seems to be picking up steam in terms of media attention...

I love Benoit, but i have no respect for him if he killed his wife and kid. But if he did it with the Crippler Crossface...i dunno. I'd have to think about it.

Regal got me more than anybody. I dont remember his quote exactly but he was saying something like "I'm supposed to come out here and tell you what a wonderful guy Chris was. But, I can't really do that right now. All I can see is he was a hard worker, the hardest worker in this business. I can't say anything else". Malenko seemed to focus on his in-ring life rather than his personal life too.

Chavo too, Chavo seemed that he knew what had happened, but was hoping beyond hope it wasn't true with how much he emphasized family, etc.

On a related, and unimportant note, this will probably effect the creative direction. I wouldn't be suprised to see larger "roided out" wrestlers de-emphasized or depushed in favor of a more natural look. Similar to what they went to with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels after the steroid scandal of the early 90s, before which names like Hogan, Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior were the image the product pushed.

Yeah, it goes with the whole "WWE.com has more information but can't release it now" deal. I think they knew then what we are being told now, in tiny pieces, and that it was hard for them to seperate what they should and shouldn't say. Austin, Stephanie, and Edge didn't have that same quality, and HHH only sort of did.

Just saw an extended ssnews report,apparently he was popular around ssnews to, atleast they appreciate who he was.

Jesus. I missed that...That's heavy as hell, but I can't say he's wrong. To be honest, thats one of the many things I have been thinking. He's right...

Definitely got that feeling with Chavo, I think he evem said Chris whatever happened or something like that

Yeah, I was thinking that too.

That and people weren't crying the way they did with Eddie and Owen. There everyone was openly weeping and couldn't keep things together. Here, they were visably shaken, and sadden...but it wasn't the same.

Well, if the effect is limited to that then maybe Chris did us a favor. But I am really scared for professional wrestling right now with the state of steroids in sports in America.

Jeritron, you may be right about that. It might be good in a way to de-emphasize the roided workers.

Apparently Cena doesn't do steroids, so unfortunately he'd still be in the ME scene.

Sorry, had to make a joke to lighten the mood a little. :) No disrespect intended.

<font color=white>I missed Regal's speech. That's pretty bad.

I noticed how much Malenko mentioned his in ring stuff. Didn't really think much into it :-\

Chavo was a full on about how great he was though, in ring and out so fuck knows.</font>

John Cena better get off the juice and QUICK.

I haven’t seen the show yet, but I’m a bit confused about why they had CM Punk talk about him, but didn’t try to get some words from someone like Rey

No disrespect to Punk or anything, but they had only been on the same show for 2 weeks, Rey had known him for 15 years

That's the one that made me think "There's something not quite right here.".

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any links to the interviews, or just some run downs of the Chavo, Malenko, Edge and HHH interviews...I'd appreciate it.
I saw the rest.
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Are you SURE about that?

I totally didn't think about the possibility of murder-suicide until I heard Regal's speech. And I thought, "Jesus, I hope he didn't kill his family. He (regal) wouldn't even talk about his character."

This is bizzare that all of a sudden the guy i've rooted for, for years is not such a great guy after all. There has to be more to this story. There has to be something that the wrestlers were aware of that built to this moment. This didnt just happen. I truely doubt this was roid rage. Judging by some of the comments last night like Regals. It seems to me that maybe Benoit wasnt a good guy and everyone around him knew it but we didnt. Who knows. This is nuts. I've actually gotten over the initial shock of my favorite wrestler being dead and now i'm really curious what the fuck happend and what led to this.

Rey might not have wanted to. Punk might have requested it, since like he said, he felt bad about what happened Sunday.

God, I feel sorry for Nitro right now. He just became a World Champion on the back of this horrifying turn of events. How shitty must that feel.

I thought about this too. The only logical conclusion I came to was that everyone was already there for the three hour raw except inactive wrestlers, etc. If, and that's a big if, we have another benoit tribute, I would think the other guys would record something then.

Well I doubt Rey was at the event and they couldn't get a camera crew to Rey in that short of a time.

Plus Punk was probably the guy who looked up to Benoit the most out of all of the young guys in ECW and they needed someone from the current ECW to talk.

He said Benoit was a great worker who valued respect above anything else, that he once hazed the hell out of a guy for disrespecting HBK, and that the WMXX match was one of his favorite moments of his (HHHs) career.

Yeh, I'm past my initial disbelief and shock. I want to know what happened. Because, at this point, it really seems that he did it. And he probably did. But why. Murder-suicides are not random acts of violence. I hope they wrap up the investigation ASAP and get the information out.

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Yeh jesus.

*20 years from now*

"So, how did you win your first world title again?"

"Um, well, it was kind of an interesting story. I was a replacement for a guy who no-showed."

"Really? Why would he miss that?"

"Um...well, he killed himself and his family."

<font color=white>They only had an hour or 2 to sort stuff by the sounds of it.</font>

Pretty unique story if you ask me.

Yeh, they found the bodies about 2:30 and had to go on air at 5:00 (in my time zone, pacific)

When did this story hit the 'net anyways? I was on TPWW at 4 before I left work, and I don't have access at home atm.

Just because he was only on the same show for 2 weeks, didn't mean he didn't know him longer. He's been in the same business for years, and in the same promotion for 2 years.
CM Punk was a friend of Eddie Guerrero, so I don't see why he couldn't be a friend of Benoit.
There's more to the wrestling business than just what show you're on, guys know eachother who aren't even in the same promotion.

<font color=white>Summerslam 2004 doesn't even mention the World title match now. Everything apart from the main story has now gone from the WWE homepage too.</font>

I don't know when this went online. This is how I found out...

Okay, I missed the very begining of Raw because me and my fiance we're watching True Lies. At 5:00 I told her to switch over to Raw (she actually watches too) and she said "We're not missing anything, you know they're just showing the limo explosion again". So we sat there for about 10 minutes and watched more of the movie. Then we flipped to Raw and caught a flash of the screen showing his picture and 1967-2007 on the screen as it went to comercial. My first thought was, "WTF? They just gonna start killing off the whole roster now? This is so stupid. I don't even want to watch this shit."

We have DVR with Dish Network, and out of curiosity I went and restarted the show and then said "Holy shit..."

Yeah, all the retrospective, remembrance, and tribute oriented stuff. All gone.

I'm starting to really feel sick.

The actions being taken by the WWE really make it seem like he just flipped out and killed everybody without a lot of reason. :(

So, what now, are they going to delete him from history? That's pretty stupid. Hopefully they just want to rewrite everything involving him so that it doesn't seem like they're giving him too much praise.

I'm starting to really feel sick.

Me to.

Same here.

I honestly feel numb right now.

this whole "bizarre" thing gets me.....wat if...and i know we shouldnt speculate too much, but what if he was playing with his boy (you know like wrestling moves and stuff) and there was a terrible accident. and he just lost it with Nancy after

just another thought.......

I don't think they should edit him out of everything. Take down his merchandise though (T shirts and crap, maybe even dvd's exclusive to him) and I wouldn't hold any tribute shows after this. No "Benoit" armbands for everybody.

To quote Don West, this is really bizarre.

EDIT: Ok, seems I showed off what a clueless bastard I was.

I wonder how WWE will handle this on TV. Will they not even mention him, will they bash him, or will they just say "tragedy".

I don't think so, I just think they're covering their asses.

Yeh, what are they doing that is so heartless?

What, because they don't want to pay tribute to a murder? I know we don't have all the facts, but Benoit is now a murder. And I'm not sure what to think about WWE right now, but I don't think it is wrong what they have done.

Benoit killed his wife and son. Who is a heartless bastard?

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this all has to be a nightmare...
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Then I guess my Benoit shirt is gonna become a collector's item.

BTW, after Eddie died, they said WWE was on a death watch, and everyone assumed it was for Angle. Do you think it was actaully Benoit now?

Really, I think that at the worst, Benoit's participation in old matches mentioned on WWE.com will be scaled down to simply "Oh yeah he won," rather than the "At WMXX Chris Benoit became a hero to millions by realizing his lifelong dream of becoming a World Champion in WWE, golly gee whiz what a guy, don't you just want to kiss him" kind of stuff that has been there.

I think it would be more heartless to profit off of merchandise promoting a man who murdered his wife and small child.

They changed the ECW.com page. It is all about Nitro.

I've since become convinced that they were talking about several guys at that time (Angle, Benoit, and Big Show being among them.)

I don't know why everybody is saying that he is being edited out of WWE history. I'm looking at Wrestlemania XX results and his victory is still in. I'm looking at Summerslam 2004 and he is still there. His profile is still up on the ECW page as we speak. 75% of you just want to take any opportunity you can to shit on the WWE. If you owned a basketball team and one of your star players kills his family and then himself, you're not gonna plaster your team store with memorbillia. You recognize him for what he was and move on.

They don't want to have it seem like they are trying to make a profit off of a suspected murderer. WWE is playing this the right way

WWE is not wrong in this. Only in the world of wrestling and it's dellusioned fans can a wrestler go into OJ land, and kill his family and STILL some will try to make Vince the bad guy in all of this....

pathetic really. I think they didn't want to believe it. As the shit began to hit the fan, things are beginning to change in terms of how they feel about him and how they handle his "legacy" and actions. Rightfully so.

I just now noticed, Vince was very careful in what he said to open the show. He paused when he said "one of the greatest....................WWE superstars of all time"
He didn't say greatest men, or greatest employees or anything he normally would have said about the man who people thought was Chris Benoit. Once again, rightfully so.

Highspots.com is going to make big bucks off Benoit merch.

Yeh, they aren't going to whipe him from the record books. But anything he did is going to be greatly diminished. Like you said, WMXX is now just a title win and nothing more.

Really, Bigshow? Why him, beside a possible wieght problem?

Also, can you imagine the nightmare if people would flock to WWE.com to snap up Benoit merchandise in his memory, and then the backlash that would ensue given that they've already admitted that they know things that the public doesn't, but have been asked to keep quiet about?

I have a couple of his action figures and an autographed photo in my house somewhere. I think they'll be moving to the county dump within the next 24 hours. Pains me to say, but no matter what he did in the ring or how well he once entertained me, no child murderer is or ever will be a legend or admirable talent or human being...

Actually nobody is saying he is being edited out of history. In fact, I for one, said explicitly that he ISN'T going to be edited out of history. His major accomplishments are going to be diminished, and they should be. Nobody is shitting on the WWE. Again, I for one, applaud the action they are taking thus far and they are handling it the best that they can.

Did you even fucking read what has been posted?

Well if you remember when he left WWE, it was due to nagging injuries, plus the weight problem is always there for him. I know he wasn't a mainstream choice for a death watch candidate, but I always saw him that way. Big oversized guys, overwieght (for their size) or not, have a tendency to have heart attacks and stuff if they're active.

^ (jeritron)We dunno that he murdered his son, the theory is his wife did and he murdered himself/his wife.

Unless they're trying to cover themselves legally somehow. Who knows.

I am pretty sure that theres no real coincidence in them using this picture on the WWE.com homepage above the headline. It's not the happy, flattering picture you would expect.



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Where is this coming from?

Maybe this should read "there is a theory that his wife murdered his son".

I think WWE have handled this absolutely superbly.

Hey Bro-Champ, are you even bothering reading what other people posted. The person I responded to said "OMG LIKE WEW TOOK CHRIS BENIOT OUT OF SUMMERSLAMZ 2K4." And secondly, I'm fucking agreeing with you. They are going to recognize him for what he was. I guess having 1100 posts on an internet wrestling board makes you ballsy, though. Congrats on that.

Better than they have handled other situations, at least.

Yeah, I notice they changed it from the picture of him smiling last night, to that one this morning.

A couple of articles that have been posted in this thread.

Raw website is back to "In Memory of Vince McMahon".

ECW is going to be so weird.

This is a huge heel turn for Benoit. I hope he dont drop the ball.

Raw website is back to "In Memory of Vince McMahon".

That's fucking retarded.

Wow, settle down, there is no need for cussing.

Acutally now it has Cena and Vengeance stuff.

1) I think that person said they took him off the listings.
2) You said, that other people said, they we're going to edit him out of history. Nobody, NOBODY said that.
3) Yeh, I am ballsy enough to call someone out who is full of it.
4) 1100 posts has nothing to do with it. And if you haven't noticed, which I'm sure you haven't because you don't fucking read, 1100 posts is NOT that many vs. a lot of people around here. So don't try and play some angle that you're just a poor noob getting picked on by a spiteful vet.
5) Congrats on shutting the fuck up now.