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So apparently Natalya said she has the most victories by submission in WWE history. She even brought up how Bret won a lot of matches by pinfall, which is why she has more.

That cannot be true can it? Nobody has more submission wins in WWE history than Nattie???

For 23 years old those are in pretty nice shape!

I could easily believe it. She's been around for like 15 years or so and consistently used the Sharpshooter as a finisher in that time. Even without counting house shows I wouldn't doubt her as #1.

Ah, a classic puroresu manuever. The flying penis attack.

I counter counter your pee pee!

I wouldn't be surprised if you told me she had the most wins ever, period. She wrestled at every house show foreeeevvvveeerrrrr.

Bret didn't use it while he was in the Hart Foundation besides that weird singles run he had in 88, he was only wrestling as a singles from 92-97 and he took a bit of time off in 96

Yeah, as far as WWE rasslers who extensively used submission finishers, Nattie has pretty much eclipsed all their WWE careers in terms of length.

Wait, Natalya wins matches?

I still have mine from No Mercy 2005. It's the last wrestling related thing I own and have been wanting to get rid of for a long time.

https://i.imgur.com/rVHh3lH.jpg

Whoa! Bret used it back then? I thought the only one who used it was Ronnie Garvin and Ted DiBiase.

I could have sworn I saw him use it at some T.V or House Show matches.

Now I'm going to obsessively comb youtube because I can't help myself.

I know he was using a piledriver or a backbreaker from like 84-87

Wait, nevermind. Didn't Bret say Konann taught him the Sharpshooter. It couldn't be 1988 then.

I love looking through stats on wrestling data. I know the stats aren't complete but it's interesting


Did you know Hulk Hogan had a record of 3 wins and 14 losses in 1997 WCW

The NWA is expected to announce a deal with the CW Network soon.

I think he was using a piledriver in 98.

Yeah I went back and watched a few matches from 88. Definitely still using the Piledriver and a terrible looking one

Shitty Bret Hart can't even do a Piledriver

#TheBestThereWasnt

Shitty piledrivers must run in the family.

zing!

Yeah has to be counting house shows.

Randy Orton is set to be making a comeback.

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Bad Bunny

Ace Steel is…BOUND FOR GLORY!

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Forget Ace Steel, the news of the month is that TD Shepherd is debuting next week, October 28th at Valley of Nightmares. TD Shepherd cut a sick promo, this dude got crazy charisma.

Lol they’re bringing back the TNA branding. Unbelievable.

Note I'm not sure why TD Shepherd's promo is presented in 2 and a half p, I dont know if its a style choice or if Sudistic camera broke.

They should have just called it RIP Impact Wrestling.

They should just hand the company over to Rich Fortune and Sudistic to manage. Total Sudistic Wrestling. Has a ring to it.

No one calls it impact. Itll always be TNA

Alex Shelley vs Psycho
Chris Sabin vs King Violent
Tommy Dreamer vs Mike Grizzly
Just throwing some ideas out there.

Tits and Ass Wrestling has a ring to it.

They should actually rebrand to TNA but now its not total nonstop action but instead Tits and Ass Wrestling.

Let’s say Tommy Dreamer actually did hop the barricade and shoot and kill Paul Heyman live at WrestleMania 17.

This wouldn’t be an Owen situation where Vince could force the show to go on, surely the authorities would’ve shut it down because it’s an actual crime scene.

So the biggest/most successful PPV of all time never finishes and is permanently tainted by a tragedy. What, if any, long-term impact does this have on the business?

What site do you use? Cagematch?

No mouth piece for Lesnar.

Stone Cold remains face.

Wrestlingdata

This is probably the biggest one. Lesnar isn't half as interesting (and I never thought that highly of him to begin with) as when he had Heyman doing all of his talking for him. Could they have picked someone else? Sure, but the number of people Brock actually likes being around can be counted on one hand.

CM Punk probably wouldve never got called up let alone pushed. It was Heyman who wanted him for ECW. OVW wasnt high on him and likely never would have recommended him. And it was Heyman politicking for him that got him pushed before he was established.

Brock without Heyman feels almost unimaginable. With his look/talent/athleticism surely he still would've been a big deal no matter what but Heyman was a massive part of the presentation.

Probably right on Stone Cold as well. He's said repeatedly that even in the heat of the moment he was reading the room and tempted to call an audible and just stun Vince anyway. I'd assume they would've figured a way to finish the PPV on another night or something and maybe by then he'd have managed to talk Vince out of making that call.

This is a good one. I wonder if he even gets signed at all really, Heyman already had the book at OVW when he initially came in.

It's tough for me to a imagine that Punk wouldn't have eventually gotten some sort of WWE look by 2009/2010 or so when they were signing almost every notable ROH dude and he would've eventually had guys like Danielson vouching for him, but without Heyman he might've burned bridges quickly and never went anywhere.

At the very least it would have played out in a much different way at a later time

It would have shone an even bigger light on what a cesspool pro-wrestling is.

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If a meteor is ever headed towards earth, we should just gather all the japanese tables and put them directly in its path. We'd be fine.

I AM THE TABLE!

Would you say that the table was working strong style there?

no-sell table.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">10/26/92:<br><br>&quot;I SAID ARE YOU READY, FOR THE SURVIVOR SERIES?!&quot;<br><br>Jimmy Garvin with a bizarre, unaired segment, which at least yielded a classic soundbite. <a href="https://t.co/peg9yp0jpZ">pic.twitter.com/peg9yp0jpZ</a></p>&mdash; OVP - Retro Wrestling Podcast (@ovppodcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/ovppodcast/status/1717677491555319982?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Heath Slater is a free agent. Tony will back the truck up, but I hope Heath signs with WWE. I’d like to see him as a veteran trying to claw his way back in via NXT. Then there’s always potential for a reunion with Drew McIntyre & Jinder Mahal. Matches against 3MB, Judgment Day and the Bloodline.

1. I didn't know Jimmy had a WWF run. But watching this, I know why.
2. Some people have no business wearing a suit.
3. Did Jimmy slip into Sheiky's stash?

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The finest acting ever in rassling

They released the Vlad doc I see. I’d like to watch that. Can’t find any links from the usual suspects yet. Message me if you find one please. Would appreciate it.

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That was quite the headbutt. :eek:

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Someone mentioned this a while ago, wcw having the nwo theme and some random guy doing the voiceovers. Only example I've found of it, wonder did Nash botch the powerbomb at the end as there's a hard edit and giants on the mat suddenly with no replay...

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Another level of suck.

I probably shouldn't be too judgmental; the guy did bang Stacy Keibler after all. I should be judging Stacy Keibler instead.

David Flair was the Orange Cassidy of WCW. He wore jeans, he wasn’t very good, but he did better than some comparatively in the ratings. Well, that’s dropped off for Orange Cassidy now people have seen the car wreck.

It’s been topped.

I can’t embed off my phone, but look up “AEW Nick Wayne’s mom” on YouTube and watch the sit down with JR. Fucking. Amazing.

Nmmmmmm found it.

Do people here like LA Knight?

He seems mediocre to me.

He seems to have had one of the more organic rises recently. Started off as what felt like a throw-away feud and the crowd just got behind him.

I've not watched it. 3 other people in my home watch it weekly, so I hear the show, and check "dirtsheet" info for them from time to time.

She dated Test, as well. Then ended up dating George Clooney.

YEAH!

I said something about THE RYBACK that also applies to L.A. Knight (YEAH!)

If you are gonna rip someone off, it is best to rip off someone who is a draw.

The actual wrestling part of wrestling is the least important part of wrestling. A charismatic guy who isn't a complete klutz in the ring will make a promoter more money than a guy who can "wrestle good."

Source: last 40 years of wrestling.

LA Knight isn’t even bad in the ring. It’s more important to understand why you’re doing things than doing a lot of things.

I was wrong about him when he was basically my least favorite wrestler ever during his TNA days. I thought I was judging what I saw from him fairly, but his NWA and WWE work have changed my mind.

I don't watch anymore so the wrestling doesn't matter to me I just saw a few clips with Miz and haven't really understood the draw.

It's a lil bit of "the chase" and "good on the mic" that has people won-over.

The first bit is why he won't win.

Shane Helms even tapped it

All the men’s matches at Crown Jewel are singles. That’s 2 shows in a row they’ve done a really “imbalanced” card. I guess they have Survivor Series round the corner which could be mostly team matches but I prefer a decent variety of match types on any given card.

It's not about what you want duh.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Holy shit Evan Karagias fell on hard times....he looks like a dude in an 80's mob movie<a href="https://t.co/Q4HMdEpLDU">https://t.co/Q4HMdEpLDU</a></p>&mdash; Kris Zellner (@KrisZellner) <a href="https://twitter.com/KrisZellner/status/1720264052654448848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is so fucking cool

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HD scan of historic WWWF action from Nov. 1974<br><br>Bruno Sammartino vs Killer Kowalski (masked)<br><br>Lou Albano &amp; The Valiants vs. Chief Jay Strongbow, Dean Ho &amp; Tony Garea<br><br>Filmed at the Providence Civic Center for the film “Below The Belt”. More coming<a href="https://t.co/cfpLXJ3c7v">pic.twitter.com/cfpLXJ3c7v</a></p>&mdash; Rasslin' Rabbithole (@rasslinrabbit) <a href="https://twitter.com/rasslinrabbit/status/1720216349077618853?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Did anybody watch Crown Jewel?

Fuck no

Look how quick Buddy is here.

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I might be slightly curious as to what happens at Survivor Series. If CM Punk returns I’ll probably watch that segment.

Will Ospreay playing the game and promoting WWE via his Twitter.

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Former TPWW troll the CyNick still out here getting roasted :lol:

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Lol oh dear

The answer, of course, is "rubbing your inner thigh, as you do. moving closer to your panties."

Did Vince say that to Triple H or vice versa?

That was an SRS quote.

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Go CyNick, go! He’s probably not wrong if it’s about what I think it’s about.

Giulia apparently expected at the PC this month though there's been no official signings.

I don’t follow joshi, but from what I know Giulia leaving Stardom will be a big deal for them.

The NWA may have already blown their CW Network TV deal. Something to do with Jim Mitchell snorting coke on NWA programming (I don’t fucking know).

What’s to know?

They cut to James Mitchell in a sort of bar environment snorting coke on their programming and for some reason the CW are having second thoughts.

Lol, what’s to know? Why the fucking promotion would do something that stupid.

It’s ridiculous.

Random thought: more jocks need to become professional rasslers and less nerds

The biggest problem here is that people treat this as an either/or thing: be it the promotions or the talents themselves. And, of course, one of the biggest persuaders of the trend is WWE. Not even a "fedbad" argument, but just how they hard-headely spearheaded style over substance. It made more sense when Vince took over from his dad and took the biggest metaphorical "sizzles" from just about every promotion he could to put together a locker room full of almost nothing but guys with tremendous personality all their own. The problems came from when they started either:

a) trying to prepackage or repackage people into cartoons. Everyone remembers the hits like Undertaker, but forgets Duke "The Dumpster" or Issac Yankem DDS in general (unless they're doing some sort of retrospective about Kane specifically and not the gimmick and timeframe)

b) hire people who merely "look the shit" and hoping that stuff like the wrestling, gimmicks, and promos just happen along the way. Especially since, over the same amount of time, the people who are tall bodybuilders ain't really built for or into this shit, and the people into this shit aren't tall bodybuilders.

So, you get to a guy like Eli Drake/LA Knight (or like the 3 other names he had in either developmental or on the main roster over time), and, for the most part, he had "star" written all over him, but he wasn't as tall as guys like Baron Corbin. So, he was minimized, embarassed, run off, let go in housecleaning sessions because there was "nothing for him" or any of a myriad of excuses. I will point out again that this is the same company that was going to release CM Punk from his developmental contract because they weren't signing him as much as the indy buzz, and didn't want anyone else getting that buzz at the time even though they themselves had zero plans for him. The same company that was going to release John Cena because Vince "didn't see it" in him. Was ready to relegate Steve Austin to "a good hand" and have him job every week (pre KotR)... but was ready to give guys like Sid or Luger or Ahmed Johnson "the boots" - as in make them the newer version of Hogan - to be positioned as the company figurehead.


I feel you about his TNA stuff. It felt like he was leaning way too hard into aping The Rock in a company that already tried to do exactly that years earlier with Sonny Siaki. So, he felt like a ripoff of a ripoff. Took awhile to find his own voice, as it were. But when he did, he became a lot more tolerable.

Yeah, way more of him seems authentic now.

“Authentic” is probably the wrong word. But the Eli Drake/LA Knight character is its own living, breathing thing now.

It looks like NXT will be going to the CW Network.

Yep, it’s official. 5 yr deal, 70% increase in rights fees starting Oct 24.