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Destor 11-30-2021 10:48 AM

wet the state you become when interacting with liquid. you become wet. burnt is the state you become when you interact with fire. fire burns you. you cant burn fire. water doesnt wet itself.

drave 11-30-2021 11:04 AM

Depends on your definition.

xrodmuc316 11-30-2021 12:55 PM

Destor is smarter than Tony Khan

weather vane 11-30-2021 01:31 PM

Semantics. Nobody likes that guy.

ron the dial 11-30-2021 03:48 PM

paul wight made a boogie woogie man reference on dark last night. coolest thing he's done in AEW so far.

slik 11-30-2021 04:30 PM

MJF in the mud

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Rosie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Rosie</a> HATES <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@The_MJF</a> <br><br>ROSIE O’DONNELL LOVES THE ACCLAIMED<br><br>EVERYONE LOVES THE ACCLAIMED<a href="https://twitter.com/PlatinumMax?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PlatinumMax</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/dTUpUEOy4x">pic.twitter.com/dTUpUEOy4x</a></p>&mdash; Anthony Bowens (@Bowens_Official) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bowens_Official/status/1465777510864543747?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect 11-30-2021 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5497786)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ANDERSON COOPER LOVES THE ACCLAIMED <br><br>EVERYONE LOVES THE ACCLAIMED <a href="https://twitter.com/PlatinumMax?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PlatinumMax</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/KpLTOKSZ3y">pic.twitter.com/KpLTOKSZ3y</a></p>&mdash; Anthony Bowens (@Bowens_Official) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bowens_Official/status/1465448133278711812?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I guarantee you that Anderson Cooper has no idea who this guy is.

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5497824)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Like I Said... I’m Going To Die, And It’s Either Going To Be Next To My Hot Wife Or In The Ring Next To <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sammyguevara</a>. Preparing For One Or The Other! WOOOOO! <a href="https://t.co/jwR9NuuXgm">pic.twitter.com/jwR9NuuXgm</a></p>&mdash; Ric Flair® (@RicFlairNatrBoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RicFlairNatrBoy/status/1465319427726061572?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The decline of Ric Flair has low-key been one of the saddest stories of 2021.

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5497867)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s false equivalence, Will. They try to move the line with ridiculous points aiming to dispute the credibility of something credible. Adam Cole is over af, he’s pushed &amp; has many more young fans watching him than he did on Tuesdays. Would we argue if they said water wasn’t wet?</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1465440097260785678?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tony Khan is awkward and creepy "AF".

Seriously, this muppet is more detrimental to his product than Vince McMahon is to the WWE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5497868)
water isnt wet

You’re right, and while a bit silly, it does go to show the confidence with which this guy is in way over his head.

weather vane 11-30-2021 08:07 PM

Big Swole gone.

Mr. Nerfect 11-30-2021 08:13 PM

Interesting that they finally released someone. Or that her contract came up. There are quite a few people that could be released to help tidy up perception of the roster.

slik 11-30-2021 09:26 PM

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xrodmuc316 11-30-2021 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weather vane (Post 5497973)
Big Swole gone.

Good, she was pretty outwardly racist.

slik 12-04-2021 01:55 AM

Caught up on Rampage

Nese vs Sammy was really good

rez 12-04-2021 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5497977)
Interesting that they finally released someone. Or that her contract came up. There are quite a few people that could be released to help tidy up perception of the roster.

post in casual forum

rez 12-04-2021 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5497987)
Good, she was pretty outwardly racist.

stop being dominos bitch

xrodmuc316 12-04-2021 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rez (Post 5498651)
stop being dominos bitch

Disliking racists makes me somebody's bitch? Good argument.

drave 12-04-2021 10:28 AM

i was gonna say pizza hut is better, but 2021 i guess.

Evil Vito 12-04-2021 11:34 AM

Watched Rampage this morning. That main event totally slapped.

GD 12-04-2021 12:40 PM

I’m not a fan of Sammy Guevara’s style. There’s no sense of pacing. Just one move after the other.

Lock Jaw 12-04-2021 07:03 PM

That describes like half the roster and half of modern workers

#1-norm-fan 12-04-2021 07:05 PM

I think “half” might be an understatement.

#1-norm-fan 12-04-2021 07:07 PM

I sometimes wonder how I would take modern wrestling if I didn’t grow up a wrestling fan and just tuned in brand new today.

Mr. Nerfect 12-04-2021 08:39 PM

That’s why it isn’t generating new fans, no matter how hard some hardcore fans campaign to the lapsed fan or people who have never been into wrestling. The people who have stuck with wrestling remember when it was good and just have some neurotic tick that keeps them plugged in.

Mr. Nerfect 12-04-2021 08:44 PM

People seem pretty convinced that Kevin Steen is going to AEW, but I think the darkhorse to leave might actually be Shinsuke Nakamura. Not because I think he feels unhappy, or disrespected in his current role. But I can see Tony Khan opening up the wallet to him, since he’s probably a mark for his New Japan work. And having him does allow TK to lease him out to New Japan of America and whatever.

The WWE will obviously make a large offer to keep him, because he is a value add, but they’ll also have a cap on that and an expectation on dates/touring. I can see TK paying out the ass to have the guy show up much more rarely to try and present him as a special attraction of sorts. So even if the style is more physically taxing, it’s also possible that he’ll be doing a much smaller amount of work a year for more money.

He probably feels a bit of loyalty to Vince, who I do think is a fan, but the difference between $950k and $1.2 million and how each promotion is going to feature him could be what potentially seals it.

Mr. Nerfect 12-04-2021 08:47 PM

You keep hearing all these different things about Chad Gable’s contract and when it comes up, but he’s another guy I see leaving. Again, not because I feel he wants to, per se, but I can see AEW offering him main event money to come in and work with Danielson, Punk, Omega, etc. They’ll treat him like their Kurt Angle.

The WWE are likely to make Gable a reasonable offer, but it’ll probably be good for a mid-carder with no real creative laid out for him. I can see him taking the AEW offer to Vince and being like “What can you do?” and Vince being like “You should take that offer. Go out and get it done and I hope we talk in a few years time.”

GD 12-04-2021 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5498712)
That describes like half the roster and half of modern workers

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5498713)
I think “half” might be an understatement.

It's true but Sammy in particular sticks out to me. Probably because he's the champion and to be fair, his feud with Matt Hardy wasn't my cup of tea either. I can suspend my disbelief for performers like Cassidy because he's never going to be champion and is a variety act but not for "loco" Sammy.

drave 12-05-2021 09:46 AM

no one gives a shit about gable

drave 12-05-2021 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen Darlene (Post 5498725)
It's true but Sammy in particular sticks out to me. Probably because he's the champion and to be fair, his feud with Matt Hardy wasn't my cup of tea either. I can suspend my disbelief for performers like Cassidy because not for "loco" Sammy.


Guevara should have never taken the belt from miro

GD 12-05-2021 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drave (Post 5498809)
no one gives a shit about gable

The sad thing is that he's probably never seen a single Chad Gable match. Not even in highlight form.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-05-2021 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drave (Post 5498810)
Guevara should have never taken the belt from miro

I agree 100%

#1-norm-fan 12-05-2021 08:51 PM

It seemed like they were on a good track with building Miro’s credibility up until he dropped the belt. Is he doing anything of note now?

#1-norm-fan 12-05-2021 08:56 PM

I remember thinking the same about Lance Archer but in his case I guess I can see his age preventing them from wanting to put him over the roster too hard. Miro’s still pretty young I think. They should commit to him as a long-term top heel.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-05-2021 08:59 PM

I like Chad Gable

Vastardikai 12-05-2021 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5498945)
I remember thinking the same about Lance Archer but in his case I guess I can see his age preventing them from wanting to put him over the roster too hard. Miro’s still pretty young I think. They should commit to him as a long-term top heel.

Lance Archer's neck is fucked at this point, from doing a moonsault.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-06-2021 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5498943)
It seemed like they were on a good track with building Miro’s credibility up until he dropped the belt. Is he doing anything of note now?

He turned heel on God and is seemingly going after him. He’s still cutting great promos and vignettes. I’m kinda glad they had him lose to Danielson tbh. They’re still going in whatever direction they’d been building up since his title loss and I want to see where it ends up. He’s still very interesting. But I would like to as him wrestle and destroy some guys and get involved in a good feud.

Mr. Nerfect 12-06-2021 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drave (Post 5498809)
no one gives a shit about gable

We’ll see about that.

Evil Vito 12-06-2021 12:07 PM

For as crowded as the roster is, guys who could be available in the coming weeks/months like Johnny Gargano, Kyle O'Reilly, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn...all of these are guys you have to bring in if they're interested in working for you. You can always find room for those kind of talents.

But that's why a guy like Tony Nese, while I like him well enough and he's a good hand, his signing just feels kinda extraneous. I don't see a higher ceiling for him than being a heel version of what Matt Sydal is.

Lock Jaw 12-06-2021 12:23 PM

I could take or leave Gargano and O´Reilly. More so O´Reilly.

ron the dial 12-06-2021 01:06 PM

at least gargano has a personality.

weather vane 12-06-2021 01:11 PM

I’d like reDragon in the tag division.

Mr. Nerfect 12-06-2021 01:17 PM

Gargano, O’Reilly, Steen and Generico all add value. The perception of acquiring talent is worth it alone. There are talents in AEW you can cut.

My issue isn’t with the signings so much as the talent they keep around, and the deal they make out of some of the signings. Tony Nese and Bobby Fish probably didn’t need that much fanfare.

Fignuts 12-06-2021 01:19 PM

O'Reilly by himself isn't anything special, but as part of a reunited Undisputed Era, he definitely has value.

Mr. Nerfect 12-06-2021 01:22 PM

I think he’s probably more valuable in AEW to them as part of that act than he is in NXT on his own. He’s the one I most expect to jump. He’s a bigger value add to AEW than he is WWE, plus they’ll probably offer him more money.

Jordan 12-06-2021 01:26 PM

Gargano and O'Reilly to AEW, add in Keith Lee and maybe Killer Kross and his sexy wife, it all makes sense. AEW could have the roster they could've had from the beginning essentially the best of PWG and ROH from across the years.

They just need to separate with a good chunk of talent they have so they don't have a massive roster that never has enough time.

Mr. Nerfect 12-06-2021 01:33 PM

How about a husband and wives division? They could even create a new title for it — the TruTV Title.

* Miro & CJ
* Keith Lee & Mia Yim
* Killer Kross & Scarlett
* John Hennigan & Taya Valkyrie
* Adam Cole & Britt Baker
* Cody & Brandi Rhodes
* Kip Sabian & Penelope Ford
* Matthew & Athena Palmer

Fignuts 12-06-2021 01:37 PM

AEW does not need Gargano. He got over as part of a natural, rise to prominence alongside Ciampa that happened organically and felt very special. Everything after that failed to match the quality of storytelling in that initial run.

Yes, he's a very good hand, but so are a lot of guys in AEW. He doesn't bring anything to the table that they don't already have.

xrodmuc316 12-06-2021 01:45 PM

If I am Gargano I dont know if im leaving. He is NXT, and I dont think he would ever get any higher than low midcard in AEW. At least in NXT he always has that lore of the heart of NXT. NXT can go younger but they will always need vets in the player/coach role, and he is over as can be with that audience.

xrodmuc316 12-06-2021 01:54 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A full circle story if there ever was one! <a href="https://t.co/GTPHpM2gW9">https://t.co/GTPHpM2gW9</a> <a href="https://t.co/eyVqBQLorx">pic.twitter.com/eyVqBQLorx</a></p>&mdash; QT Marshall (@QTMarshall) <a href="https://twitter.com/QTMarshall/status/1467884805652160513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL come on, a QT Marshall exhibit??? At some point Shad has to say "No, I am not giving you money for THAT Tony".

slik 12-06-2021 01:56 PM

Yeah, I agree with you xrod. Planet Hollywood must be really hard up from the pandemic if QT is where things are at now.

Fignuts 12-06-2021 01:57 PM

What the fuck does QT Marshall have to do with Hollywood in the first place.

Evil Vito 12-06-2021 01:58 PM

Gargano vs. Danielson always felt like a natural program that would've eventually happened in the E

Mr. Nerfect 12-06-2021 02:01 PM

Gargano is a guy that I see staying in the WWE, because he’s got that player/coach value there and seems really embedded. And his wife is there. But if he did leave, regardless of whether AEW needs him, they would sign him. And it wouldn’t be a “bad” signing. Taking the Heart and Soul of NXT is something. It’s how you use him.

slik 12-06-2021 02:03 PM

I'm not sure Gargano is leaving WWE tbh. I think KOR is, but I'm not sure about Gargano. He might just be taking paternity leave and disappear for a while.

We'll see.

#1-norm-fan 12-06-2021 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5499171)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A full circle story if there ever was one! <a href="https://t.co/GTPHpM2gW9">https://t.co/GTPHpM2gW9</a> <a href="https://t.co/eyVqBQLorx">pic.twitter.com/eyVqBQLorx</a></p>&mdash; QT Marshall (@QTMarshall) <a href="https://twitter.com/QTMarshall/status/1467884805652160513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL come on, a QT Marshall exhibit??? At some point Shad has to say "No, I am not giving you money for THAT Tony".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5499177)
Yeah, I agree with you xrod. Planet Hollywood must be really hard up from the pandemic if QT is where things are at now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5499178)
What the fuck does QT Marshall have to do with Hollywood in the first place.

Apparently he worked there and was a higher up at one point. Probably has more to do with them hyping one of their own becoming a quasi celebrity than anything else.

Jordan 12-06-2021 02:17 PM

He's a huge celebrity now that he's a star of TNT's highest rated show. QT would get over in any generation, he's timeless and now Hollywood has taken note.

I can imagine a QT bio series like The Wonder Years and even a reality TV show like Rhodes to the Top, you could call it QT Pie and give it a baking spin.

Lots of spin going around about QT'S contract coming up and the bidding war between AEW, WWE and Hollywood. Gonna be a fun ride boys!

Evil Vito 12-06-2021 02:23 PM

Remember when Allie wanted to jump QT's bones? We should all strive to be more like QT.

Mr. Nerfect 12-06-2021 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5499190)
He's a huge celebrity now that he's a star of TNT's highest rated show. QT would get over in any generation, he's timeless and now Hollywood has taken note.

I can imagine a QT bio series like The Wonder Years and even a reality TV show like Rhodes to the Top, you could call it QT Pie and give it a baking spin.

Lots of spin going around about QT'S contract coming up and the bidding war between AEW, WWE and Hollywood. Gonna be a fun ride boys!

:lol:

slik 12-06-2021 02:32 PM

I kind of forgot about Lance Archer and Jake Roberts in AEW.

Lock Jaw 12-06-2021 02:35 PM

Lance Archer is like if you pushed Konnor of The Ascension as a serious solo act

#1-norm-fan 12-06-2021 02:41 PM

Lol What an odd comparison.

Mr. Nerfect 12-06-2021 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5499207)
Lance Archer is like if you pushed Konnor of The Ascension as a serious solo act

Similar aesthetic.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-06-2021 03:30 PM

I heard Kyle O’Reily talk on nxt 2.0 for about 30 seconds and realized he’s just a big dork and decided I don’t want him on my TV. It doesn’t help that I view him as a wish app Bryan Danielson with the complete opposite amount of charisma. I don’t want him in AEW. Gargano I feel the same. They have a lot of guys like him already. Keith Lee is the big name they should go outta their way for. He’s unique, he’s charismatic and he is bigger than a lot of their guys which helps add variety to their roster.

Owens/Steen seems like a lock. They should absolutely sign him. He’d be a great promo and he works as the bully heel or anti authority babyface. He’d be a good foil/rival for the elite.

Lock Jaw 12-06-2021 03:36 PM

A big dork, you say? Seems like he'd be a great fit for AEW!

GD 12-06-2021 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5499255)
A big dork, you say? Seems like he'd be a great fit for AEW!

Lock Jaw has been very vocal about his criticism of AEW. Wonder what sets him apart from the likes of Mr Nerfect and xrod...

Lock Jaw 12-06-2021 03:56 PM

My general "chillness" :cool:

Evil Vito 12-06-2021 04:00 PM

Lock Jaw's stream of consciousness thoughts are entertaining

Evil Vito 12-06-2021 04:01 PM

Also helps that he's actually watching the show he is critiquing

screech 12-06-2021 05:20 PM

Lock Jaw also isn't a dick about it. Just nonchalantly says "hey this isn't great" as he's watching the show.

xrodmuc316 12-06-2021 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen Darlene (Post 5499256)
Lock Jaw has been very vocal about his criticism of AEW. Wonder what sets him apart from the likes of Mr Nerfect and xrod...

Now what did I do? :rofl:

All joking aside, I will break it down. My problem with AEW is not the product, its all the stupid shit people from their rosters say outside of the the time they are on TV. My problem is their owner being a whining spoiled child who acts 12 when he is 40. They ruin what would be a more enjoyable product by being such dislikable people the rest of the week.

Mr. Nerfect 12-07-2021 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5499298)
Now what did I do? :rofl:

All joking aside, I will break it down. My problem with AEW is not the product, its all the stupid shit people from their rosters say outside of the the time they are on TV. My problem is their owner being a whining spoiled child who acts 12 when he is 40. They ruin what would be a more enjoyable product by being such dislikable people the rest of the week.

This. Also the product sucks. And being a dick is subjective. I don’t think Lock Jaw nor you are dicks. I think screech is (big time). This is just a divisive tactic. Pro-AEW apologists annoy the fuck out of me. At least (insert poster here) isn’t a piece of shit about it and can admit the company’s grating fucking flaws.

Anyone can do that annoying shit. It’s a dishonest, sneaky and cunty way of trying to control discourse.

Mr. Nerfect 12-07-2021 02:37 PM

These same posters were pro-WWE a few years ago. Most people with common sense were criticising them. Now it’s okay to point and laugh at WWE. But it’s not okay to do that with AEW.

They’ve got a shiny new toy. They can’t actually respond to criticism, and it infringes on how they identify with something they are preoccupied with for the moment. When AEW fades and something else takes that spot (established or not right now), “LolAEW” will become a meme and the new thing will be protected by “How about if you don’t like it, you don’t watch?” as well as mocking people for not watching and calling people dicks, cocksuckers and all sorts of names for not falling into line and scaffolding the new fad.

We’re probably only about a year away from the change. I’ll be shocked if it doesn’t happen by 2024.

Mr. Nerfect 12-07-2021 02:42 PM

Love how there is apparently no variance in how criticism is received, only how it is delivered. Lol, fuck off with that gaslighting shit.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-07-2021 02:56 PM

Lock Jaw doesn’t shit on, insult, talk in circles and aimlessly troll those who like AEW. He just shared his thoughts. Sometimes he likes stuff. Sometimes he doesn’t. Not liking AEW isn’t noids problem.

screech 12-07-2021 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen Darlene (Post 5499256)
Lock Jaw has been very vocal about his criticism of AEW. Wonder what sets him apart from the likes of Mr Nerfect and xrod...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5499260)
Lock Jaw's stream of consciousness thoughts are entertaining

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5499394)
Lock Jaw doesn’t shit on, insult, talk in circles and aimlessly troll those who like AEW. He just shared his thoughts. Sometimes he likes stuff. Sometimes he doesn’t. Not liking AEW isn’t noids problem.

Feel like these two posts nail the difference between how Lock Jaw talks about AEW and Noid/xrod do. Lock Jaw is entertaining about it and doesn't shit on anyone who enjoys what he doesn't.

(I realize Darlene was probably trolling, but whatever. Any excuse to put over Lock Jaw.)

screech 12-07-2021 03:13 PM

Think someone said it already but I'd really like to see Keith Lee in AEW. If nothing else, he'd bring a different look than most of the roster. Plus I want to see him actually get a chance to do stuff on TV.

EDIT: It was Damian Rey up there. Great minds and all that.

xrodmuc316 12-07-2021 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 5499396)
Feel like these two posts nail the difference between how Lock Jaw talks about AEW and Noid/xrod do. Lock Jaw is entertaining about it and doesn't shit on anyone who enjoys what he doesn't.

(I realize Darlene was probably trolling, but whatever. Any excuse to put over Lock Jaw.)

Somebody quote this so Jackass Screech sees it. You are not a troll, you are a parrot of other people's trolling because you have zero original thoughts. You lump me in with the way others post not because you read and comprehend what is posted, you do so because other people make that incorrect point and you think restating that point is the socially acceptable response.

You are the exact reason I dumbed everything down to simple memes last year, because it was the best option to try and make you understand. Sadly, even that was too complex for you to grasp.

Also FYI, you quoted three posts, not two you turd.

slik 12-07-2021 04:13 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The next time you see someone enjoying something, that isn’t hurting anyone, that’s not your cup of tea instead of saying something negative train yourself to think to yourself “I’m glad they are happy” and carry on with your life.</p>&mdash; Mark MacKillop (@mark_mackillop) <a href="https://twitter.com/mark_mackillop/status/1388962406068592648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect 12-07-2021 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5499412)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The next time you see someone enjoying something, that isn’t hurting anyone, that’s not your cup of tea instead of saying something negative train yourself to think to yourself “I’m glad they are happy” and carry on with your life.</p>&mdash; Mark MacKillop (@mark_mackillop) <a href="https://twitter.com/mark_mackillop/status/1388962406068592648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

1. No one is actually upset at anyone enjoying anything. This is a massive distortion to try and make it sound like happiness is the target.

2. Criticism in culture is valid.

3. The propagation of bad media can actually hurt. It’s debatable to what extent AEW is hurting wrestling, but it is actually debatable that it is, so that whole point can get fucked. It’s solipsistic to think that just because you enjoy something it is actually beneficial.

4. I’m glad we can all agree that screech is a jack-ass.

Mr. Nerfect 12-07-2021 04:30 PM

PS. People started shitting on xrod because of his entertaining criticisms of the product and not because he shat on people. Stop with this narrative that he’s the one attacking people, lol.

slik 12-07-2021 04:54 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Huh? What? <a href="https://t.co/TQ6CkXtw6g">pic.twitter.com/TQ6CkXtw6g</a></p>&mdash; The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1468333963760525320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Vastardikai 12-07-2021 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5499414)
PS. People started shitting on xrod because of his entertaining criticisms of the product and not because he shat on people. Stop with this narrative that he’s the one attacking people, lol.

I have gotten a bit of that, as well. And I'm like, apart from Omega and the Bucks, I really don't hate anyone at AEW. I actually liked the bit with Jade Cargill and the lady who looked like If AJ Lee had been through some shit (Kick Demon lady?) Best part was Rosa taking off her earrings on the way to the ring. It created an image of "This is gonna be a fight" that a lot of AEW is poor at promoting.

And I make fun of stupid shit in AEW because it comes off stupid. I make fun of stupid shit in WWE because it's stupid. But some of the stupid shit in WWE isn't as stupid as people think it is. Some of it is literally "Smart Mark getting worked, and don't want to admit it." Some of it is "We don't know what words means." Some of it is "We are expecting them to play checkers like us, but actually, they're playing chess. And we're not even playing checkers. We're playing Sorry!" The vast(ardikai?) majority comes down to this: "We are basing our enjoyment of this product on the thoughts of one man who doesn't look at the big picture."

xrodmuc316 12-07-2021 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5499412)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The next time you see someone enjoying something, that isn’t hurting anyone, that’s not your cup of tea instead of saying something negative train yourself to think to yourself “I’m glad they are happy” and carry on with your life.</p>&mdash; Mark MacKillop (@mark_mackillop) <a href="https://twitter.com/mark_mackillop/status/1388962406068592648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That is a bullshit narrative. It is really "why do other people not like what I like, fuck them, they are just jealous I am enjoying something!" Let's be real, that is a passive aggressive way of trying to act like they are taking the high road, but most of the time it is hypocritical.

It might work in some situations, but certainly not here. If I enjoy posting about areas I think AEW is bad at, or parts of AEW that are comical to me, why can't I just have my fun without the turds like Screech and Crippy having to ruin that for me? It is the exact same thing, except in this case they are upset because I am enjoying something they do not, and they tell me fuck you because they are jealous of the fun I am having.

It is a stretch at best anyways. I have not said really anything negative about AEW shows in months, so this idea that I am upset other people watch AEW makes zero sense. I watch the shows, I havent missed a Dynamite since the week after Wrestlemania when I needed a break after watching wrestling like 10 days straight. I have every right to point out something I dislike as anybody else, and I do it because it deserves to be criticized, not because it might make somebody else upset.

weather vane 12-07-2021 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5499424)
I have gotten a bit of that, as well. And I'm like, apart from Omega and the Bucks, I really don't hate anyone at AEW. I actually liked the bit with Jade Cargill and the lady who looked like If AJ Lee had been through some shit (Kick Demon lady?) Best part was Rosa taking off her earrings on the way to the ring. It created an image of "This is gonna be a fight" that a lot of AEW is poor at promoting.

And I make fun of stupid shit in AEW because it comes off stupid. I make fun of stupid shit in WWE because it's stupid. But some of the stupid shit in WWE isn't as stupid as people think it is. Some of it is literally "Smart Mark getting worked, and don't want to admit it." Some of it is "We don't know what words means." Some of it is "We are expecting them to play checkers like us, but actually, they're playing chess. And we're not even playing checkers. We're playing Sorry!" The vast(ardikai?) majority comes down to this: "We are basing our enjoyment of this product on the thoughts of one man who doesn't look at the big picture."

:?:

slik 12-07-2021 11:18 PM

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weather vane 12-07-2021 11:43 PM

Do the long entrance way with the stairs.

slik 12-07-2021 11:47 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I signed up for an open call for The Voice, for tomorrow. Wtf am I doing lol</p>&mdash; Mr. Fun Size (@realmarkostunt) <a href="https://twitter.com/realmarkostunt/status/1467934820542124033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Marko's actually a good singer

slik 12-07-2021 11:58 PM

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slik 12-08-2021 12:16 AM

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weather vane 12-08-2021 12:32 AM

He’s not half bad.

Lock Jaw 12-08-2021 12:33 AM

Yeah.... he's ALL bad! Dooooh-hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh!!

Jordan 12-08-2021 01:04 AM

I'd rather get my tongue pierced than listen to Marco Stunt.

Mr. Nerfect 12-08-2021 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5499424)
I have gotten a bit of that, as well. And I'm like, apart from Omega and the Bucks, I really don't hate anyone at AEW. I actually liked the bit with Jade Cargill and the lady who looked like If AJ Lee had been through some shit (Kick Demon lady?) Best part was Rosa taking off her earrings on the way to the ring. It created an image of "This is gonna be a fight" that a lot of AEW is poor at promoting.

And I make fun of stupid shit in AEW because it comes off stupid. I make fun of stupid shit in WWE because it's stupid. But some of the stupid shit in WWE isn't as stupid as people think it is. Some of it is literally "Smart Mark getting worked, and don't want to admit it." Some of it is "We don't know what words means." Some of it is "We are expecting them to play checkers like us, but actually, they're playing chess. And we're not even playing checkers. We're playing Sorry!" The vast(ardikai?) majority comes down to this: "We are basing our enjoyment of this product on the thoughts of one man who doesn't look at the big picture."

This is an excellent post. Yeah, I think it’s pretty disingenuous of people to say they don’t attack people for having opinions that “go against the grain” (even if those opinions aren’t that uncommon outside the context of a particular internet discussion). And I have to be honest: Since AEW has started (largely) getting a pass from stupid shit, it really has made me re-evaluate WWE, and you’re right. And put it marvellously.

No, not all of it is good. Of course not. But a lot of it people just want to be horrible or are actually not as smart as they think they are when they discount it. And a lot of that is, in my opinion, perpetuated by a lot of the “wrestling media.” For example, you will Dave Meltzer criticise WWE for something he won’t AEW. Kidnappings was a semi-recent one I remember.

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5499427)
That is a bullshit narrative. It is really "why do other people not like what I like, fuck them, they are just jealous I am enjoying something!" Let's be real, that is a passive aggressive way of trying to act like they are taking the high road, but most of the time it is hypocritical.

It might work in some situations, but certainly not here. If I enjoy posting about areas I think AEW is bad at, or parts of AEW that are comical to me, why can't I just have my fun without the turds like Screech and Crippy having to ruin that for me? It is the exact same thing, except in this case they are upset because I am enjoying something they do not, and they tell me fuck you because they are jealous of the fun I am having.

It is a stretch at best anyways. I have not said really anything negative about AEW shows in months, so this idea that I am upset other people watch AEW makes zero sense. I watch the shows, I havent missed a Dynamite since the week after Wrestlemania when I needed a break after watching wrestling like 10 days straight. I have every right to point out something I dislike as anybody else, and I do it because it deserves to be criticized, not because it might make somebody else upset.

That is basically what I wanted to say but better articulated. Thanks, xrod. The irony of people trying to impose what to like on others while crying about people trying to force them into a paradigm is just ridiculous.

And you have cooled off on the product. I haven’t. I don’t feel like I have to. I don’t like what I’ve seen. They’ve made one of my favorite wrestlers of all-time someone I don’t care about at all. Actually, they’ve done that with two. I’m not obligated to like them. Nor am I obligated as someone plugged into the wrestling community to be nice to them. Nor am I obligated to disengage because I don’t like what they do.

Why was it okay to shit all over WWE for the past 20 years (and it was okay), but suddenly you are a dick if you criticise a product? TNA copped it too. You’re not a dick because you don’t like something. Nor are you a dick if you explain why you don’t like it. But you could be a dick if you call other people a dick for daring to explain that.

slik 12-08-2021 02:54 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This will sound like a fake message but it is not. I am currently being extorted by 2 police officers from the Del Valle Police Department in Mexico City. In the last 4 days I have had to pay around 7000 pesos (350$ american) and I am not paying more...</p>&mdash; Jack Evans (@JackEvans711) <a href="https://twitter.com/JackEvans711/status/1468467482486882304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So if I get arrested on drug charges in the next little bit I want to put it out there right now that it was planted by the Del Valle Police Department.</p>&mdash; Jack Evans (@JackEvans711) <a href="https://twitter.com/JackEvans711/status/1468467483862618115?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect 12-08-2021 03:08 AM

Sounds like something someone about to be arrested on drug charges would say.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-08-2021 04:11 AM

Having spent lots of time in Mexico I will say that I don’t think Jack Evans is lying

#1-norm-fan 12-08-2021 10:05 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Show….New Sign! While your busy running your mouth on the Mic, Don’t forget to NOT be a piece of shit for 10 seconds and thank us for raising you in this Beautiful Place! <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@The_MJF</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> <a href="https://t.co/SWhnDbqcwS">pic.twitter.com/SWhnDbqcwS</a></p>&mdash; nina friedman (@FriedmanNina) <a href="https://twitter.com/FriedmanNina/status/1468351861392654337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 12-08-2021 07:45 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pretty damn cool <a href="https://t.co/HrKcFuq2vZ">https://t.co/HrKcFuq2vZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/JZUoKUGX1C">pic.twitter.com/JZUoKUGX1C</a></p>&mdash; Robbie Fox (@RobbieBarstool) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool/status/1468726206765928457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 12-08-2021 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5499619)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pretty damn cool <a href="https://t.co/HrKcFuq2vZ">https://t.co/HrKcFuq2vZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/JZUoKUGX1C">pic.twitter.com/JZUoKUGX1C</a></p>&mdash; Robbie Fox (@RobbieBarstool) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool/status/1468726206765928457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Bro nothing he does is cool. If anything, that makes Dana White sound like a tool for even knowing who Meltzer and Tony are.


https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...the-ubs-arena/

"LOOKY LOOK WE ALMOST DID IT, WE ARE SO COOL AND I AM A GREAT PROMOTER!!!" ~ Tony Khan :fu:

weather vane 12-08-2021 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5499619)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pretty damn cool <a href="https://t.co/HrKcFuq2vZ">https://t.co/HrKcFuq2vZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/JZUoKUGX1C">pic.twitter.com/JZUoKUGX1C</a></p>&mdash; Robbie Fox (@RobbieBarstool) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool/status/1468726206765928457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nice!!

Jordan 12-10-2021 01:01 PM

I feel like AEW is at a sort of potential crossroads. They are coming to the end of deals on a lot of the initial signings and there is a plethora of name talent available to sign from ROH and WWE especially, not to mention NJPW stars.

AEW definitely is trying to develop some younger talents like 2.0/Garcia, Darby, Lucha Express, Starks and others but it's hard to imagine guys like Strowman, EC3, Jeff Hardy, Gargano, Keith Lee, Wyatt, The Briscoes, Bandido, Jay White and so many more getting overlooked for some of the guys on the roster right now.

I mean if AEW had to lose Moxley and Jericho for whatever reason, they have so many options to fill those spots. Not that I want that to happen btw but you never know.

Initially I was underwhelmed with AEW's roster because they lost a lot of potential talent to NXT deals and a few to ROH and others to scandals. But now AEW could have a super talented and quite famous roster, one that would top what they've had so far.

I'm ready for a new year in AEW. This year was they Omega run which mostly was just okay, only really got interesting before the Barbed Wire Match and then in the summer.

I hope we get a fresh AEW for 2022.

Mr. Nerfect 12-10-2021 02:14 PM

There is lots of talent out there. And they will offer almost everyone deals. The problem is that with a finite amount of time, stories are only going to be able to be given so much emphasis. So they’re either going to need to expand (bad idea…in theory), or start picking and choosing who they need to focus on (good idea…in theory). The problem will be when acts that shouldn’t be focused on, but are popular with the AEW audience (Orange Cassidy, The Dark Order) are either dropped or kept. If they are dropped, AEW fans might be run off while newer audiences don’t necessarily find the product. If they are kept, it doesn’t matter what you do — no one can take anything on that show seriously. Add Brock Lesnar throwing bitches around and it’ll still be capped at a certain level.

Like with WWE, I sadly think the only way forward with them is to expand to the point that the negative influence of the person in charge can’t infest every corner. WWE needs to have so much content ordered that something outside Vince McMahon’s scope makes it to air in a prominent context. Hopefully Tony Khan buys ROH and someone else books it with access to CM Punk and Bryan Danielson.


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