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Interested in seeing what happens to Omega now that his reign is over. What most people expect is for him eventually take time off. There's been talk of Kenny working hurt for a long time, and it's lucky that it coincided with him turning heel, as it meant he could slow his pace and scale back on some of the high impact stuff (within reason, as he's still Kenny Omega and that stuff is his bread and butter).
Earlier in the year he was working through a hernia, a tailbone injury, and nagging knee problems, and I can't imagine much of that has got any better with time. |
Purely in terms of timing, I think it would make sense to take Kenny out now fresh off of losing the belt, but also Cole and the Bucks lost on Saturday too so the whole "better man taking control" angle probably wouldn't be the best way to explain it.
But they've also just lost Moxley for an indefinite amount of time, could see why they'd be hesitant to be down another major player but with the size of the roster I think they're well equipped to absorb it in the short term, plus they might have more signings and eventualities on the horizon too. He wouldn't be totally out of action anyway as he's also got a AAA title defense against El Hijo Del Vikingo next month that I'm not expecting him to lose, plus they've got Battle of the Belts in January that will probably be an all hands on deck type of deal and I think there might be a heavy AEW involvement at Wrestle Kingdom. So maybe all of this gets out of the way before they pull the trigger on a write-off. |
There's also the question of whether Kyle O'Reilly or Kevin Steen end up coming in. We could end up with Cole ditching The Elite altogether and doing Cole/reDragon vs. Omega/Bucks, or even flip that and have a babyface Omega recruit reDragon against Adam Cole and the Young Bucks. If Steen comes in, does he reform Mount Rushmore with Cole and the Bucks, or come in against them? Plenty of ways things can play out if those guys sign.
At some point, though, I can picture a babyface Omega seeking out Hangman's help for a tag team match against the Young Bucks. Before that, if Omega does end up sticking around rather than taking time off, I can see him doing an Inoki-style "redemption" story where he loses everything and has to start at the bottom and work his way back up. |
It seems like we are going to see a program where Hangman and The Bucks are becoming "cool" with each other again and perhaps Cole goes really hard as a heel and creates a divide in The Elite. Kenny should end up coming back and facing off with Cole for establish the leader of the group.
I'm not a big fan of bringing in Undisputed Era for a main AEW story but it being mentioned doesn't bother me. Also I don't think that with Mox and Kenny down for a few weeks that AEW will suffer. They have enough stars without them for a little while. I think it would be cool if Kenny stayed out of AEW until after Wrestle Kingdom where he could win a big match and "get his fire back". |
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Lol, with the ratings declining, there’s a new movement in the AEW fandom to shut down talk of ratings/other business metrics. The goal is to shame people who care about the performance of something and those who don’t pretend the product is engaging enough to discuss solely as content.
You’ve seen it on these boards a couple of times. It’s fucking weird and a little disgusting, honestly. People are interested in what they are interested in. Some people find the business side of things interesting — sometimes more interesting than the actual wrestling. You also hear the common line “As long as they stay on the air, I don’t care about ratings.” Well, that’s what people are discussing. But more and more you see AEW fanboys trying to push the conversation away from things wrestling fans have discussed for years. Because it doesn’t make their promotion look good. |
Actually if you look at it honestly and objectively the real mark of a great wrestling company isn't their ratings weekly, who cares about that? I don't and not anyone here that I can tell.
We care about the characters, the respect to wrestling and it's past, the stories, the pops and the chanting. That's all that matters to about everyone in the AEW Multiverse. AEW definitely has better chants than WWE as well as all the other stuff I mentioned like characters, stories and pops. Also AEW definitely uses the ring apron a lot better than WWE. Lots of sick drops on the apron. But really why would ratings matter? What am I an Ad Executive for Papa John's or Wendy's? Outside of that actually the ratings are moot point. Truly I only care that AEW does well enough to stay featured on cable, if they over succeed and get more than WWE it's cool. Even when AEW beats a Raw or Smackdown on a particular week or doesn't mean they are better or bigger than WWE. Its a guestimated concept that has no bearing on if I enjoy AEW which produces much better wrestling than WWE. |
Cody has quit twitter and this fan has thoughts...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CodyRhodes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CodyRhodes</a><br><br>You didn’t block me, but you deleted your account. You are free from my toxic chains. Now, you can see how toxic your own fans are. Your OWN fans, are the toxic ones. I just fight back, as a fan too<br><br>Hypocritical <a href="https://twitter.com/ShawnSpears?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ShawnSpears</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBrandiRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheBrandiRhodes</a> <a href="https://t.co/7fVN6XmxcT">pic.twitter.com/7fVN6XmxcT</a></p>— Justy Bee (@justybxxx) <a href="https://twitter.com/justybxxx/status/1460563824822652928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Always been weird to me that fans care so much about ratings. If you enjoy the show, watch it. If not, don't. I enjoy WWE and AEW and have never thought about how many other people did or didn't watch on a particular day.
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My issue with the ratings is that so many people don’t understand them and take Meltzer’s narratives around them as gospel. Wrestling fans don’t understand how the key demo isn’t all and that comparing WWE’s ratings with AEW’s isn’t 1:1 when it comes this TV rights fees business. I think they are criminally misrepresented by people looking to sell newsletters and do some sort of hypnosis. But there’s nothing inherently wrong with being interested in the business side of things. Especially when the content put out is so boring. |
And when people are saying things like “This is the cool wrestling, watch it grow,” the ratings make an annoying point against that narrative. That’s what they’re trying to shut down.
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Random AEW thing that has bothered me: How have they not fixed their issues with sound at all? Commentary has always been too low and it often gets drowned out by entrance music.
Lock Jaw, could you go work for them and fix that? How difficult it is to remedy? (Admittedly don't know much about live sound technical stuff but I imagine it's not much more involved than pushing one slider up and another down on the board. Am I close?) |
All about getting an audio mixer who knows what he is doing (I am not one. Audio is my weak spot in broadcasting, admittedly)
Compressors/limiters/expanders/gates/EQs etc.... And yes, maybe even a little of having the sliders in the right spot. All about finding the right balance and mix of things. |
It also could very well be bad direction/instruction from the top. Like in WWE how they have extremely skilled camera people, but they are instructed to have seizures. I have a feeling that AEW sound mixer may have been instructed to de-prioritize the commentary for the sake of making it sound I dunno... like the fans and music are even louder than they are
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Was funny when they kept putting CM Punk on commentary for the sake of getting him on the shows, but then you couldn't understand half of what he said.
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it was the same with WCW.
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Yeah audio's always been an annoying issue with AEW. It's nothing gamebreaking for me as the camera work is far superior to WWE and doesn't make me nauseous, but it's something I'd like to see fleshed out to make it a more well-rounded viewing experience.
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twitter is a cancer on the human mind
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I recently joined to read some NBA writers feeds that I enjoy and for the WCW Deep Cuts account, but my God are you ever correct.
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Twitter is hot garbage, as is most social media
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I'll give Instagram a pass due to there being lots of hot women showing out but that's it
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Twitter gives a platform to people who have not earned a platform.
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I like Twitter because I follow things I like to read and see...
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Me too. Just avoid the comments.
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Hell yeah. If you're into women at least 80% of your following list isn't hot brauds I'm not sure what you're doing.
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There’s just nothing on Twitter that’s worth having, really. There is plenty of much better content in much better places. Even things that have some sort of light-hearted value can usually be consumed in much less mind-numbing ways. |
Twitter is a mess, but it's also where I've connected with the most bands to play their music on the podcast.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Becky Lynch watches AEW and views it as the Alternative! <a href="https://t.co/6phYilhlg7">pic.twitter.com/6phYilhlg7</a></p>— The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1461083916639641604?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Full Gear generated the second most PPV buys in AEW history, only behind All Out in September (CM Punk's first match)
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ouch. they grow nearly 100k on the punk draw but the product doesnt keep the bulk. still up 10k from revolution so theyve retained some of the audience but thats a rough return
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Doing almost double what the last two Full Gear PPVs did is "fucking brutal"
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Why would any rational person expect the next PPV to do the same as the one with CM Punk's first match in years...
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It was the PPV that was supposed to be the culmination of the "Long Term Storytelling."
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lets say you see a commercial for a new tv show and it looks amazing so you check it out. the show didnt draw you in the marketin team did. so you watch it and you fucking love it. you come back next week. the 2nd weeks numbers are a reflection of the previous weeks product. the inverse is true as well. |
failure to retain new veiweship is a sign of a product that didn't hook an audience. in this case you had a large number of 1st time AEW viewers who came strictly for the punk draw and found no eeason to come back.
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they either got their nut from seeing punk and need nothing more or they were turned off by what they saw.
10k isnt bad though. obviously if they grow 10k every ppv over a few years you'll be in a good spot but clearly they missed a huge opportunity here. |
i do think their YTD is healthy
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if you look at full gear to full gear thats a nice growth. it just should have been way way better given their lead in
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and if you look at their last year to the year prior there's very little growth so this year is trending in healthy direction
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tbh I was expecting it to go back down to their "normal" past PPV levels or maybe a little more, like 115 or something, since the last two Full Gears did like 80k
the CM Punk PPV did like double of what their average is, for a clear very special rare draw that's basically impossible to duplicate |
i dont disagree that expecting 100% is unreasonable but 10% is below reasonable too. a good draw id hope to keep 70% but if im to even consider a guy a draw id expect him to keep 40% of what is explicitly, empirically, his own audience. which punk, or the booking, failed to do. I dont know what these people thought, perhaps they loved the punk segment and hated everything else. I cant say. but 10% is very low retention. 100k die hard punk fans dropped IRL money to see him and they clearly didnt think it was worth it to do it again. Thats a truth.
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but again the YTD is very healthy
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and 60k new paying customers from all out to all out if they can maintain that growth theres nothing bad about that
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AEW is better a position ofr having punk but im not convinced punk is a draw. hes part of an ensemble and it validates how he was booked throughout his career
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im rounding, its slightly more than 10%. 135k was the previous peak. so thats max AEW without punk. show after his debut drops to 145k. so thats 10k new customers generated. the punk draw was up 90k MTD. so the 145k is 11.11% retained
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i'll say this: based on these figures i wouldnt pay punk any more than he's getting now any time soon.
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The 135k one also had an unusual draw with the "exploding barbed wire death match" and them hyping the signing of a "huge" star (Christian...) which is why it was a lot higher than the typical number
The average of all the PPVs before the CM Punk one is 98k... Punk one did 205, and this one was 145k so idk if 10% is a fair assessment |
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they havent had a show sub 100k this year and thats a good sign so i think at least we can agree on that
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AEW is not a public company, neither is any of Shad's other ventures, so they can say whatever and we cannot disprove it, but based on the numbers we do get like PPV buys and TV deal, well they just do not support the claim that they are doing anything but bleeding money. Its fine, im glad Shad is willing to let Tony lose money because it gives us more wrestling, but no amount of smoke and mirrors is going to validate the idea that this company is anywhere close to profitable. All of your other posts in this thread are spot on, but I think you are giving them more benefit of doubt on the YTD. |
in business your first few years should be assumed losses out side of some innovation or what have you. this is why most businesses dont make it their first five years. (this is also why workers dont deserve the bulk of the profits.) I dont think AEW is turning a profit but i think if they can continue to nurture growth they will later.
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and to that end not being able to retain those viewers really hurts. they need growth because the business model demands it. theyre far from sustainable long term.
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I have heard Tony Khan allude to the fact that AEW should get a massive deal in 2024 when their current TV contracts are up. That is wishful thinking though because AEW's average viewer age today is 48, so if they cannot get new younger viewers, by 2024 their average fan age will be 51. What happens when they are getting 900,000 viewers but their 18-49 demo is significantly lower because the majority of those people are now in the 50+ demo, which AEW has basically claimed does not matter. That massive TV deal they are just assuming will come will certainly change the outlook of the company if it doesn't. |
well lets not rule out how in dire straights TV is right now. Live TV has a lot of clout and thats only looking to rise. 18-49 or not. im not dismissing your point because its valid but hey could still pen a deal thats better than the one they have now in 5 years time based strictly on the shrinking market
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I know the timing isn't great for it right now, but at some point, we'd better fucking get Tomohiro Ishii vs Bryan Danielson.
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id buy that match
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I don't think Ishii has gone to a doctor in the last decade. Man looks stiffer than a two dollar steak.
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I watch AEW because I crush hard on Britt Baker.
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AEW superfan Jessi having rough health, wishing a fast recovery for her
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A not-so-good update <a href="https://t.co/9HSc4tjpap">pic.twitter.com/9HSc4tjpap</a></p>— Jessi Davin (@jessithebuckeye) <a href="https://twitter.com/jessithebuckeye/status/1463602812127006727?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Who's that chick?
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she's popular on twitter and I think is also sort of popular on only fans, she's a big rasslin fan and goes to a bunch of shows
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Poor girl.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Due to my skin cancer care totaling 22 radiation treatments starting Monday, I will hopefully return to the announce desk on December 29 in Jacksonville.<br><br> <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> supports me on this strategy which has been a blessing. <br><br>My thanks for all your support. ����</p>— Jim Ross (@JRsBBQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/JRsBBQ/status/1464049908449751046?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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898k for Dynamite. Down, as predicted. Whodathunk that turning a beloved babyface heel and vowing to destroy a bunch of good-hearted bums would encourage people to tune out?
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R.I.P
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ANDERSON COOPER LOVES THE ACCLAIMED <br><br>EVERYONE LOVES THE ACCLAIMED <a href="https://twitter.com/PlatinumMax?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PlatinumMax</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/KpLTOKSZ3y">pic.twitter.com/KpLTOKSZ3y</a></p>— Anthony Bowens (@Bowens_Official) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bowens_Official/status/1465448133278711812?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Via <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleTix</a>, final attendance estimate for tonight's <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERAW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERAW</a> at the UBS arena in Long Island is 5,887. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>'s upcoming show at the same arena on Wednesday, December 8th is estimated at 8,658 tickets distributed. <a href="https://t.co/amrzX2c02O">pic.twitter.com/amrzX2c02O</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a></p>— NoDQ.com: WWE and AEW news (@nodqdotcom) <a href="https://twitter.com/nodqdotcom/status/1465519500275724302?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Like I Said... I’m Going To Die, And It’s Either Going To Be Next To My Hot Wife Or In The Ring Next To <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sammyguevara</a>. Preparing For One Or The Other! WOOOOO! <a href="https://t.co/jwR9NuuXgm">pic.twitter.com/jwR9NuuXgm</a></p>— Ric Flair® (@RicFlairNatrBoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RicFlairNatrBoy/status/1465319427726061572?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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wait hold up what?
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Barney: I like it.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s false equivalence, Will. They try to move the line with ridiculous points aiming to dispute the credibility of something credible. Adam Cole is over af, he’s pushed & has many more young fans watching him than he did on Tuesdays. Would we argue if they said water wasn’t wet?</p>— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1465440097260785678?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Tony Khan is awkward and creepy "AF". |
water isnt wet
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