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Evil Vito 11-02-2021 11:56 PM

Shit. You never know what battles someone is facing behind closed doors, but there were some pretty obvious physical signs the last few months (alcohol bloat).

Godspeed and good luck, Mox.

Lock Jaw 11-03-2021 12:31 AM

Damn.... he could have done us the courtesy of beating Orange Cassidy to a bloody pulp beforehand. How selfish.

weather vane 11-03-2021 12:32 AM

Wonder who replaces him in tourney….

xrodmuc316 11-03-2021 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weather vane (Post 5491187)
Wonder who replaces him in tourney….

Hopefully Miro

Damian Rey 2.0 11-03-2021 02:40 AM

I don’t wanna see replacements. Just give the other guy a bye.

Wish Moxley the best of luck. Good for him for admitting he’s got a problem and seeking help.

erickman 11-03-2021 05:22 AM

mox must have been drunk last wed i thought something was off about him when he entered, opening that gate then hitting that guy with the gate.

Jordan 11-03-2021 10:44 AM

Yeah Mox has definitely come off "alcohol filled" in recent weeks. Sucks that we are probably gonna have OC vs Danielson at the PPV instead of Mox.

xrodmuc316 11-03-2021 11:39 AM

Remember all those Rhodes to the Top commercials where Brandi was talking to Mox and he was talking about being hung over? That doesn't look good in hindsight that company executives not only thought that needed to be in the promos, but that they just ignored it.

Evil Vito 11-03-2021 12:06 PM

Mox is a famously private person, so I give extra props to him for going public. Asking for help is the hardest thing in the world.

Evil Vito 11-03-2021 12:10 PM

That Mox was due to be on PPV in a big match with someone he feels is the greatest wrestler of all time, and still felt supported enough to make this decision instead of being pressured to push through the demons is a great sign that AEW has their priorities in order.

Jordan 11-03-2021 12:46 PM

Yes I agree.

slik 11-03-2021 05:13 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Samuray Del Sol, the former Kalisto, will be making his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> debut tonight, per Tony Khan on Wrestling Observer Live</p>&mdash; Will Washington  (@WilliamRBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1455978866791624706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

#1-norm-fan 11-03-2021 06:03 PM

Sounds like a good lucha... thing to me.

#1-norm-fan 11-03-2021 06:05 PM

GODDAMMIT WOO

erickman 11-03-2021 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5491293)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Samuray Del Sol, the former Kalisto, will be making his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> debut tonight, per Tony Khan on Wrestling Observer Live</p>&mdash; Will Washington  (@WilliamRBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1455978866791624706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

did'nt kalisto wrestle ftr on main event a bunch of times in the dumb ass wwe story lines, now they can be in a good story.

ron the dial 11-03-2021 11:30 PM

apparently mei suruga debuts monday. i assume it'll be an ongoing role with emi on dark, but still excited. love mei. crazy good and young with lots of potential.

slik 11-04-2021 12:38 AM

This seems unnecessary

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You spelled his name wrong. <a href="https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd">https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jericho (@IAmJericho) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/1456097560779689987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Vastardikai 11-04-2021 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5491460)
This seems unnecessary

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You spelled his name wrong. <a href="https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd">https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jericho (@IAmJericho) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/1456097560779689987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He got dog piled pretty mercilessly, I saw. All for something that could be written off as "ducking autocorrect."

Sepholio 11-04-2021 02:07 AM

Anyone jumping on his case for that is an absolute tool.

weather vane 11-04-2021 02:23 AM

Well it was also a dumb Tweet. Not a big deal. Just dumb.

Mr. Nerfect 11-04-2021 06:48 AM

Some people aren’t good at spelling names. I know people who get the wrong name typed back when they sign off in professional emails.

Sad about Mox. Addiction is shit. Good on him for getting help. It must be pretty serious if he can’t even make it through to Full Gear. I wonder what this could potentially mean for his career. If bumping and travelling and all that is one of the primary factors in him using alcohol to cope, he might just call it a day and enjoy his money with his family.

XL 11-04-2021 10:19 AM

It could just as easily be the pressure of being a new dad. That’s a paradigm shift (pun intended) that can be hard to deal with.

Mr. Nerfect 11-04-2021 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL (Post 5491528)
It could just as easily be the pressure of being a new dad. That’s a paradigm shift (pun intended) that can be hard to deal with.

Not impossible. But for something to become such a raging problem so quickly? I’d guess that being a father has either exasperated it, or really shone a light on it or didn’t provide the out for Mox he and Renee were hoping for.

His physical appearance has been declining for some time too.

Damian Rey 2.0 11-05-2021 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL (Post 5491528)
It could just as easily be the pressure of being a new dad. That’s a paradigm shift (pun intended) that can be hard to deal with.

I’m one of numerous dads I know that stifled existentially when my kid was born because babies are super dependent on mom and the dad is just kinda there at first.

screech 11-05-2021 03:05 AM

^ I'll co-sign that. I felt pretty useless while my wife was breastfeeding.

XL 11-05-2021 01:19 PM

Yeah there’s serious levels to it, man. The sleepless nights/broken sleep is a big one that can easily lead to having to go find a coping mechanism. The realisation that this little person is now depending on you. Having to go out to work when all you want to do is stay home with your new family. Trying to balance all of your new responsibilities. It’s a real life change. I can imagine Mox was probably already drinking heavily - he seems like the type to have a bit of an addictive personality - and becoming a parent was maybe tipped the scales.

drave 11-05-2021 02:53 PM

ANd it hits SO fucking fast.


The first few nights with my first were insane. The slightest little tiny noise and I would leap outta bed like a madman.


If you have some demons prior to fatherhood, I would fully expect those to ramp up a bit at first. I couldn't imagine being a father "on the road". I would feel "guilt" and it would fucking eat me alive, even though I'm "providing" by doing that.


But much like the Hero on RAW in TX, my dad left me when I was 2 years old (lasted a wee bit longer).

slik 11-06-2021 12:41 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You have totally busted me Andrew09123, clearly I must have paid off Washington Post, Variety, Business Insider, + Forbes to talk about how <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> is a great wrestling company bringing competition to the wrestling business. Or maybe they all saw what’s happening &amp; saw a good story? <a href="https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW">https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1456834869095452675?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 11-06-2021 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5492096)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You have totally busted me Andrew09123, clearly I must have paid off Washington Post, Variety, Business Insider, + Forbes to talk about how <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> is a great wrestling company bringing competition to the wrestling business. Or maybe they all saw what’s happening &amp; saw a good story? <a href="https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW">https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1456834869095452675?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He really needs to stop responding to a bunch of non blue checkmark accounts on Twitter.

Mr. Nerfect 11-06-2021 03:19 PM

Why would you fucking respond to that? Fuck, Tony Khan is an idiot.

Mr. Nerfect 11-06-2021 04:50 PM

Amanda Huber has also jumped on Kalisto for misspelling Jon Huber’s name. A bunch of cunts in that company, honestly.

Triple A 11-06-2021 06:41 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow flipping off a kid. <br><br>Real mature �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lowlife?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lowlife</a> <a href="https://t.co/MlmhzSyosj">https://t.co/MlmhzSyosj</a></p>&mdash; Maxwell Jacob Friedman™️ (@The_MJF) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1457057390155771910?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

erickman 11-06-2021 07:52 PM

that made the kids day yoy see how happy he is

slik 11-07-2021 11:32 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I had to clip John Silver's &quot;It's Time for the Main Event&quot; and yes, I will use this in the future. <a href="https://t.co/sQroIx3tFX">pic.twitter.com/sQroIx3tFX</a></p>&mdash; Souppy (Марк-Андре) (@_Souppy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Souppy_/status/1456892971320811529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

weather vane 11-07-2021 11:47 AM

Love him.

Mr. Nerfect 11-08-2021 03:31 PM

Just to further demonstrate the wonky booking and silly priorities of this company, Christian Cage vs. Adam Cole and The Young Bucks vs. Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus have now been combined into one match. The sensible booking would have been to have Cole beat Christian and Jurassic Express beat The Bucks. But now you’ve got a babyface single that shouldn’t win on the side of the babyface team that should go over. It’s just all about cramming guys in and getting a “good match” out.

xrodmuc316 11-08-2021 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5492546)
Just to further demonstrate the wonky booking and silly priorities of this company, Christian Cage vs. Adam Cole and The Young Bucks vs. Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus have now been combined into one match. The sensible booking would have been to have Cole beat Christian and Jurassic Express beat The Bucks. But now you’ve got a babyface single that shouldn’t win on the side of the babyface team that should go over. It’s just all about cramming guys in and getting a “good match” out.

Booking doesnt mean what it used to. All that matters is how many stars Dave gives them.

Mr. Nerfect 11-09-2021 05:04 AM

Who books a good finish anymore? Now everything ends flat with the fifth finisher in the ring, or a roll-up or a weapon shot. What about finishes that would tell a story and make you want to see what happened next?

Just a random thing about modern booking that pisses me off, lol.

drave 11-09-2021 08:02 AM

The amount of non-finishes is what initially started to turn me off from WWE. I understand fucked up finishes which can tell stories....... but it became so prevalent, that two guys would throw on an absolute BANGER just for some stupid fuckery to end the match.

Jordan 11-09-2021 08:31 AM

I didn't mind the 6-man booking it's the falls count anywhere stipulation next to a street fight tag match on the card that had me raising my eyebrow.

Fignuts 11-09-2021 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drave (Post 5492659)
The amount of non-finishes is what initially started to turn me off from WWE. I understand fucked up finishes which can tell stories....... but it became so prevalent, that two guys would throw on an absolute BANGER just for some stupid fuckery to end the match.

No one can top TNA though. There was a point in time where they had an amazing roster, and had a genuine shot at being a great alternative to WWE. They blew it, due to the sheer amount of wonky finishes. Then Russo came back and that was it for that.

Mr. Nerfect 11-09-2021 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drave (Post 5492659)
The amount of non-finishes is what initially started to turn me off from WWE. I understand fucked up finishes which can tell stories....... but it became so prevalent, that two guys would throw on an absolute BANGER just for some stupid fuckery to end the match.

I just can’t wrap my head around this style of thinking, lol. So many people are apparently into matches for matches’ sake, but then because they don’t end with a fake 1-2-3 they are super-pissed? I just don’t get it.

I’m not saying there aren’t bad finishes, by the way. There absolutely are. But the whole “it was such a great match until instead of Wrestler X hitting their finisher on Wrestler Y, Wrestler Z attacked them both” alludes me now.

Mr. Nerfect 11-09-2021 09:41 AM

That’s not meant as a shot at you, drave. I’m being sincere in that I don’t understand it and am just so far removed from that mentality now. I don’t get how it “ruins” a match. But I also don’t get why the internet cries about rematches when nearly everyone works the same and whether two parties have wrestled before has got nothing to do with the story either.

Destor 11-09-2021 09:52 AM

we want a clean finish. thats why a fuck finish gets heat. we want a winner. its integral to the human condition. like watchkng a footbal game end on a bad call we get outraged. its a human response that very well might be instinctual.

Mr. Nerfect 11-09-2021 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5492686)
we want a clean finish. thats why a fuck finish gets heat. we want a winner. its integral to the human condition. like watchkng a footbal game end on a bad call we get outraged. its a human response that very well might be instinctual.

That’s the closest I can get to understanding it. There’s a sincere investment — almost a mark response (not saying that as an insult). It implies to me that kayfabe isn’t ideally dead.

I don’t get it in the context of being smart or how it affects the “quality” of a match to the diehard online contingent though. It seems trivial to me. But I also don’t have much time for conventional sports.

Destor 11-09-2021 10:00 AM

problem is now a fuck finish gives the office the heat since we know its all a work

drave 11-09-2021 10:02 AM

It is so fucking anti-climactic. It's like an epic movie that has a shit ending that kinda ruins the entire premise of said storytelling in which I just invested my time.


It can make sense for a lot of scenarios, really, but when it is done to death so often it makes me not even wanna watch some match because "it won't matter in the end anyway". It made me, at the time a hardcore fan, not care as much. That then snowballed into barely tuning in, which is now not tuning in at all.

Mr. Nerfect 11-09-2021 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5492692)
problem is now a fuck finish gives the office the heat since we know its all a work

This is very true. :y:

Think this is the same as people losing in their hometown now, which is usually an extension of a fuck finish. The idea is heat, but it just doesn’t work now.

drave 11-09-2021 10:05 AM

For clarity: I DO enjoy great matches. The storytelling elements (outside of a few hot promos) are shit and I've seen better acting in corporate FUN TEAM BUILDING videos :|

drave 11-09-2021 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5492692)
problem is now a fuck finish gives the office the heat since we know its all a work




Even in the context of just a match, not taking into consideration anything from "the office" or "backstage whatever", it doesn't make sense to do it as often as it does.


If it makes sense, leads to something else, that's cool. It DOES work sometimes. It was just being done to the point where it left me less interested.

Fignuts 11-09-2021 01:41 PM

You need fuck finishes to build storyline, but as TNA and WWE have shown, too many can turn people off. Likewise, too many clean finishes, and the impact of a clean win is lessened. There needs to be a well thought out balance.

Evil Vito 11-09-2021 01:47 PM

Eddie Kingston Got No Business F***ing Being Here (theplayerstribune.com)

Eddie Fucking Kingston, man.

Destor 11-09-2021 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5492715)
You need fuck finishes to build storyline, but as TNA and WWE have shown, too many can turn people off. Likewise, too many clean finishes, and the impact of a clean win is lessened. There needs to be a well thought out balance.

i definitely think fuck finishes have their place but japan got by just fine without them for decades. "need" is a bit much for me. there should be a large number of clean finishes. they should be the norm and the dirty finishes should stand out in contrast.

Destor 11-09-2021 02:00 PM

early RoH was a masterclass in booking clean finishes effectively

Fignuts 11-09-2021 03:30 PM

Puroresu is a very different kind of product than typical western wrestling, though.The clean finishes make sense with the more grounded, real sports presentation. And ROH was heavily influenced by that.

I'm speaking specifically about companies like wwe and aew which rely much more heavily on story and characters.

Destor 11-09-2021 03:35 PM

again they have their place. my point is there are clearly paths that dont require it. in the south youll rely of fuck finishes x10 more than in the north east. doesnt mean we *need* them. especially no multiple a night

Fignuts 11-09-2021 03:54 PM

Yeah, not disagreeing at all on that.

Jordan 11-09-2021 05:28 PM

You don't NEED fuck finishes but it can create some great drama or it can make you roll your eyes like you've just wasted time, see Dusty Rhodes at his best and his worst.

#1-norm-fan 11-09-2021 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5492766)
see Dusty Rhodes at his best and his worst.

... every Thursday night here on TPWW!

ron the dial 11-09-2021 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5492766)
see Dusty Rhodes at his Copenhagen and his Skoal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5492767)
... every Thursday night here on TPWW!


ron the dial 11-09-2021 05:40 PM

if that doesn't make any f*cking sense please show up on thursday nights and i promise you it will.

XL 11-09-2021 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5492681)
That’s not meant as a shot at you, drave. I’m being sincere in that I don’t understand it and am just so far removed from that mentality now. I don’t get how it “ruins” a match. But I also don’t get why the internet cries about rematches when nearly everyone works the same and whether two parties have wrestled before has got nothing to do with the story either.

I think there’s a link there; the fuck finish usually leads to a rematch. When you’ve gone 15 minutes on TV only to end via shenanigans you’ve often given the fans at least part of what they want. The law of diminished returns suggests that whatever the guys do the next time we’ve already seen a chunk of it. There are of course guys that people are happy to see over and over again (“Fight forever” if you will) but I don’t think I’m one of them. You know Owens and Zayn will always have a banger but I saw them have a banger in NXT with some good storyline behind it, I don’t need to see it repeatedly. The fuck finish is a heads up that I’m probably getting a second helping.

XL 11-09-2021 06:12 PM

I dunno though, I don’t like long TV matches so I’m probably in the minority there.

Sting Fan 11-09-2021 06:25 PM

People want closure, WWE overdoes (overdid? Not really watching or even reading results for them atm) and you know that Raw/SD are just adverts for the PPV.

AEW has done a solid job of having outcomes to matches on TV which in turn has actualy made me more likely to buy the PPV to see it play out once again or close out a feud.

WWEs lazy booking essentially made Raw/SD a failed advert for the PPV in my mind as it was so obvious.

slik 11-09-2021 06:52 PM

TMZ getting worked

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW star MJF calls mom &quot;dumb, disgusting slut,&quot; dad an &quot;old, irrelevant, piece of s**t&quot; after parents insulted him at AEW Rampage <a href="https://t.co/xerqIKHu8V">https://t.co/xerqIKHu8V</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1458162544825229314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner 11-09-2021 08:27 PM

It's hard to keep up with these minor league promotions

GD 11-09-2021 11:22 PM

Watching AEW Dark. This Fuego 2 cat is holding everyone back. Years of progression in the wrestling industry undone. Truly disappointing.

Mr. Nerfect 11-10-2021 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5492779)
It's hard to keep up with these minor league promotions

Attention is being stretched further and it’s hurting everyone.

xrodmuc316 11-11-2021 10:56 PM

Another week, another Tony Khan fail :rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was nice of him to cut off a female so he could mansplain some nonsense to her.<br><br>Book women on TV, not YouTube, TV you fucking dork <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> <a href="https://t.co/9oFRWCv35F">https://t.co/9oFRWCv35F</a></p>&mdash; BRUHsuke -FTK- reformed internet person (@YourBRUHBroski) <a href="https://twitter.com/YourBRUHBroski/status/1458997653736464384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony Khan is asked about women’s wrestling, gives the most tone deaf answer possible <a href="https://t.co/mXA3rY9qCm">https://t.co/mXA3rY9qCm</a> <a href="https://t.co/nTB8V7hTMA">pic.twitter.com/nTB8V7hTMA</a></p>&mdash; Cageside Seats (@cagesideseats) <a href="https://twitter.com/cagesideseats/status/1458944263593644036?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner 11-11-2021 11:03 PM

He's an Incel just like most AEW fans. What do you expect.

Jordan 11-12-2021 02:50 AM

Nah Tony Kahn is a fuckin legend, a savage and a real cool guy. Too cool for you. Suck it.

xrodmuc316 11-12-2021 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5493448)
Nah Tony Kahn is a fuckin legend, a savage and a real cool guy. Too cool for you. Suck it.

Careful Jordan, you keep talking like that you are going to get a contract from Tony Khan :rofl:

#1-norm-fan 11-12-2021 10:40 AM

I too am disgusted by Tony Khan’s comments.

Very disappointing to know that he contributed money to the sham that is lady wrestling.

Evil Vito 11-12-2021 11:51 AM

Over 110 Dynamites, there has only been a second women's match on 6 of them. You can't really act like you're giving women's wrestling a big platform if you're treating it like any other division split by belt over the years "time for the women's division match, time for the cruiserweight division match, time for the hardcore division match" etc

This doesn't mean you have to have a second women's match every week, but it's tough to view the women as an integral part of the roster when the booking suggests it's just a novelty division that gets its token one match a show.

Evil Vito 11-12-2021 11:59 AM

Behind the scenes, I think they had good intentions for the women's roster. I don't think a company that doesn't care at all about its women's division would introduce a secondary singles title, nor go through the rigamarole of hiring and relocating numerous international talents including someone like Emi Sakura who they brought in primarily to assist backstage and train. They also clearly view Britt Baker as a huge star and have had her headline multiple shows.

But the actual booking of the division on television is a blind spot for the company. I don't know how much of it is the result of Khan trying to juggle priorities in managing a huge roster or if they are confronting a reality that there is a sizable chunk of fans who do not, and will not, ever care about women's wrestling. I mean you see posts like this on TPWW all the time. A lot of people here just do not give a shit about women's wrestling and no matter how talented a performer might be the default mindset is "meh, piss break time."

This is probably why there's a shitload of women's matches on Dark and Elevation that actually get time, because those shows are geared more toward the die hards. But you can't expect the TV-only audience to care about a division you treat as a novelty.

#1-norm-fan 11-12-2021 12:38 PM

Just make Rampage an all-women's show if it's that important. It's too hard to give equal time to two divisions on the same show when they can't really interact physically with each other. It's either gotta be treated like an occasional special attraction or have its own separate show.

Fignuts 11-12-2021 01:36 PM

That would be a great idea if they wanted Rampage's ratings to completely tank.

#1-norm-fan 11-12-2021 02:31 PM

WE know that’s what would happen. But apparently there are still people who think women’s wrestling is such a draw that it should get equal attention as the men.

Also, Rampage is terrible for the overall product. Short of cancelling it altogether, this would be the best use for it if they’re dead set on having a heavily-featured women’s division.

Destor 11-12-2021 04:14 PM

the reality is there arent enough women on earth who can work to go 50/50 and even if there were there's no demand for the product. WNBA, US Women's Soccer, UFC women's division post Rousey (see: novelty) are shining examples of women not being interested in women sports and men certainly arent. the entire push is a political statement as opposed to giving consumers a product they want to pay for. Ive been writing on this forum for well over a decade about how i wish women's wrestling was elevated in this country but elevated doesnt mean tokenism. and tokenism is all we have right now.

Bad News Gertner 11-12-2021 04:48 PM

You can't force people to be interested in something. It's ridiculous. If you say it's just not good, you get shamed.

You get that a TON with Women's Hockey up here in Canada. Take away the Nationalism that the Olympics bring and it's just female playing a sport not as good as men can.

Destor 11-12-2021 05:06 PM

there are enough women that if they truly cared to they could make womens sports the dominant platform with out male viewership. the fact that they havent tells you everything you need to know. if it were interesting people would be interested

Destor 11-12-2021 05:06 PM

so to blame AEWs office is a bit of a joke

Mr. Nerfect 11-13-2021 04:38 PM

Tony Khan is a goober.

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Destor 11-14-2021 07:57 PM

clearly a correct observation then

Supreme Olajuwon 11-15-2021 02:45 PM

Hearing scuttlebutt that Omega is going to be taking time off to rest up and heal from lingering injuries after he defends his Triple A title on December 4. If true, it’s a well deserved rest. But it also means AEW is down another main eventer for the foreseeable future.

Could potentially be a good thing since people have been complaining about too much roster bloat. See who else flourishes during the time. But not having Mox and Omega after both have had amazing runs is tough to replace.

Destor 11-15-2021 02:54 PM

allowing guys to take time off i think is a very good thing. and not from a "theyre so over worked stand point." it keeps them fresh. in times gone you could go to another territory and work for 6 months and come back a bigger deal than when you left simply because of absence truly making the heart grow fonder.

Mr. Nerfect 11-15-2021 02:58 PM

I wish AEW would take some time off to freshen itself up.

Lock Jaw 11-15-2021 05:19 PM

My conclusions after watching AEW since Punk's debut:

I could never in a million years have imagined wasting an opportunity as big as that one, and failing to capitalize on potentially having new/old viewers watching your program. You get him and then just aimlessly force him onto your shows, including even just doing commentary. He finally does something and stands up to a heel Bobby Fish beating up a jobber (despite having previous opportunitites at standing up to heels whilst on commentary), they have a match with a controversial ending.... but that is dropped to build a hurried two week deep-seated blood feud vs Eddie Kingston.

Daniel Bryan has been handled a bit better, but should never have been mixed up with the world title/main event scene when he debuted, because then taking him out of it for someone else is just an immediate step down/disappointment. Should have just skipped that part and his run would actually be quite excellent, building him up via having him wrestle a bunch of bangers and beating people with different moves... building him up until eventually putting him in the spot to earn the contendership. Instead, took him out of the picture and gave the shot to another dude... but at the same time already put Bryan in the spot to earn the next shot even before the current contender had his shot, which overshadows that match because you are already looking back onto Bryan and caring about that and not the current world title match.

Speaking of their world champ, he felt like an afterthought almost the entire time I watched. Meanwhile you have Hangman Adam Page involved with the intolerable Dark Order, and not doing anything at all to build him up or get him over... barely even building up the match vs Omega until the very last week before the PPV when they figured they should do something. I know there is the supposed "long form storytelling" that they were semi-trying to push via commentary and some short video packages.... but I don't buy it for one second. More likely they saw that viral post that someone has posted here a few times about Hangman's "journey", and decided to run with it. Wouldn't be the first time I saw that they have leaned into memes/internet things and run with it. Which would even be fine in itself if they actually put any effort into pushing that angle instead of just assuming that everyone knew what it was all about.

As for the rassling itself, no doubt about it they have some good stuff. The more flippy/choreographed stuff of Young Bucks/Lucha Bros/Adam Cole/etc is personally not for me, I get burnt out on it real fast... but if you enjoy it more power to you. There was still some good stuff that was not of that style too. They do suffer from a problem of booking matches to have guys look "all equal". Even jobber/squash matches the jobber more often than not gets a lot of offense to make it seem like a "tough win", because more than anything they seem to want to get a "this is awesome" chant every match (which, granted is not too hard these days).

The fans of AEW are both a blessing and curse. It is awesome to hear a loud crowd, and it can't be overstated how much that actually gets you into matches/a show. At the same time, they are the "annoying" modern rassling crowd who will chant "this is awesome" and "fight forever" at the drop of a hat. At the PPV a few tried to chant "You still got it" at Arn Anderson when he delivered a few punches to Andrade's manager, thankfully it didn't take off.

Something AEW is missing/lacking is the ability to tell stories and get over their characters. Which partly goes back to the fans just getting into anything, so they feel like they don't have to get them over/sell them to a potential TV audience. AEW is great at booking their shows and always telling you what is coming up on the next Rampage/Dynamite.... which is great from a "wrestling" perspective and "live show perspective", but not for an "entertaining television program" perspective. You need to have a bit of that spontaneity and unexpectedness... even if it is cookie cutter WWE "Wrestler A interrupts Wrestler B, Authority Figure makes a match..... COMING UP NEXT!!"

AEW does a lot of "assuming that you know" who people are and what things are about. May seem like "talking down" in WWE, but you do have to do a lot of repetition and spelling things out to build your characters/stories/brand.

Think I said it in some other thread... AEW seems to succeed despite itself. Which is great for them, and great for those that enjoy it. It just seems to be a self-fulfilling prophecy driven by memes and internet culture, and should the cool thing on the internet ever turn to be against them they would need to make some major changes. Even if they wanted to grow beyond their current ratings/fanbase they would need to make major changes.

I think overall what I'd say is...... AEW is the better wrestling show, especially if you were to go to it live. While WWE is the better television program. If you want "wrestling", watch AEW. If you want "entertainment" and "characters" watch WWE.

Lock Jaw 11-15-2021 05:23 PM

Not sure if I should continue watching AEW or not. Made my "commitment" to give them until their "big PPV"....

GD 11-15-2021 06:04 PM

Thanks for sharing your honest take with us, Lock Jaw. That was worth the read.

Jordan 11-15-2021 08:02 PM

Yeah I guess that's fair. Fair for a fair weather fan who wasn't there from the beginning. You have no connection to AEW because you aren't invited. You don't know the language we speak around the dinner table.

You have got to be kidding me? You want an authority figure gimmick making matches mid show? Hey guess what Jaw, you can subscribe to peacock and watch hours and hours of 2014 WWE. GO AHEAD do it and then tell us how good you feel about the way you've spent the precious hours of your life.

This has to be a joke right? Are you a comedy blogger because I am laughing so hard I can't believe it. The part where you talked about an inability to creat and get over characters is what got a deep and hearty guffaw out of me!

Have you ever heard of Orange Cassidy? He's barely lifts a finger and AEW fans Road Warrior pop all over his nuts. I'm talking about MJF, who barely opens his mouth before five thousand people tell him in unison to shut the fuck up! Hey what about that ROH guy Adam Page who gets the girls wet and makes all the guys hard? He walks out and everyone spills a beer jumping up and down screaming COWBOY SHIT.

AND you make that one joke about how the voice of AEW is too giving with praise. When you are a part of the AEW multiverse live in attendance you are no longer a singular individual but you are assigned to take hold of a spot in a grander universal consciousness and all voices become one. Trust me I know, I was at Arthur Ashe.

Supreme Olajuwon 11-15-2021 08:15 PM

Picturing a scenario where Lock Jaw turns against AEW and becomes a shit poster, but is constantly a show behind in his trolling. Just shitting all over Rampage in the Dynamite thread.

Bad News Gertner 11-15-2021 08:17 PM

Lock Jaw is the frontrunner for KOTF after that analysis.

Destor 11-15-2021 08:25 PM

is Jordan X doing a bit or is he a giant mark? if its a gimmick bravo

Jordan 11-15-2021 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5494361)
is Jordan X doing a bit or is he a giant mark? if its a gimmick bravo

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Damian Rey 2.0 11-15-2021 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5494291)
Hearing scuttlebutt that Omega is going to be taking time off to rest up and heal from lingering injuries after he defends his Triple A title on December 4. If true, it’s a well deserved rest. But it also means AEW is down another main eventer for the foreseeable future.

Could potentially be a good thing since people have been complaining about too much roster bloat. See who else flourishes during the time. But not having Mox and Omega after both have had amazing runs is tough to replace.

Adam Cole is right there to toss him from the Elite and take his place as the to heel on the company. Omega deserves some time away and it’ll freshen him up.

xrodmuc316 11-15-2021 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5494375)
Adam Cole is right there to toss him from the Elite and take his place as the to heel on the company. Omega deserves some time away and it’ll freshen him up.

The problem is the same he faced in NXT, yes he can do heel things, but he is just too over to ever be a true heel. Thats not a knock on him, he is just too good at what he does.

GD 11-15-2021 10:50 PM

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