WWE could utilize Bourne and Mysterio by creating a Cruiserweight Title/Division
 

In WCW, people like Kidman, Rey, and others excelled in the ring due to the cruiserweight division.

In WWE, along with the Tag Team Division and Factions, the Cruiserweight Division isn't happening.

Now, with the end of Cena's big face run and with new smaller talent being recruited due to McMahons Senate run, is it time to bring back the CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION/TITLE?

Most of the Titles are being combined.... Should they give the fans what they want?

The Fan

You're stupid.

The will just flow on into there WWE has been getting better on pushing new talent unlike 2 years ago where news guys debut and you wonder who the fuck they are. When they make there entrance alls you here is crickets chirp. Like with some of them they are taking there time making them into stars.

How many threads are you creating today and who the fuck is Adam Evans?

Gotta disagree there. I don't remember for sure whether smackdown used to be taped or not but i do remember being almost as excited for it as i was for raw before the brand split. It was a great way to further develop story lines. I hate how there are so many ppvs now with barely any build up. 2 weeks between ppvs is ridiculous. One ppv a month with 2 shows developing storylines a week. Best way to go in my humble opinion.

Who the fuck is Adam Evans?

Sorry got a little off topic there. If the shows are consistently good, most people will tune in, taped or not

Not to mention Kaval and eventually Alex Koslov.

Tough Enough didn't feature WWE's developmental talent. It was people who applied directly to be on that show.

If NXT is done, then bringing up talent to the main roster will be the same as it always was. What do you think they did before NXT debuted earlier this year?

I look forward to Adam Evans getting crushed by the Big Show on Smackdown one day

http://www.adamevans.tv/


I mean just look at the guy he has jobber written all over him. I think he could take the KO punch very well.

Smackdown is much better than Raw.

:rofl::y:

Ummmm FCW talent will get to the main WWE roster the same way they did before NXT came along, they will just be called up. I could use examples like John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Brock Lesnar, etc. who all spent lengthy time in developmental before they came up to WWE, you know, back when WWE actually had a developmental system that actually developed the wrestlers and sent 99% of them up to the main roster when the time was right. Those days.

Oh.

The same way it's been for the past what is it like 10 years?

I would bring them in like Alberto Del Rio but not give them the push he is getting. Just a seminal push enough for them to be noticed or Bryan Danielson push where they wrestle one of the top stars and take them to the limit and of course have the top guy go over. Thats one way of introducing them.

For anyone who didn't see it.



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SD!=More actual wrestling
Raw=More entertainment

Introducing them via vignettes.

Nothing has really been said about getting rid of NXT just yet but this all Diva show might have given it the death blow. I haven't watched but between all the talk on here and all the reviews on the internet. Things aren't looking good. I mean the only time I thought about watching it was when they had the Huge bitch.

Two guys who's gimmick they f'ed up:
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<font color=goldenrod>I don't think NXT is ending tbh. I think somebody genuinely thought an All-Divas NXT was a good idea, but once Aloisia got pulled they realized it wouldn't really work. The first show was also slightly more "serious" than Weeks 2 and 3 were. After the first week, they decided to make it a joke because it would never be credible.

Word is it's going to be a WWE.com exclusive. They wouldn't bother doing that if they didn't want to keep the show going for the future.</font>

I think it's too much pumping in a new NXT rookie every few months, not to mention all of the others who don't win that get on the roster.

They should do NXT as a season, once a year. Maybe then they will have an easier time finding a channel to carry it too.
If it ran as a summer series it would probably have a home, rather than being year round.

It's just a bit of a stretch. Wade Barret hasn't even used his title shot yet and we're on Season 3.

Plus you can only go so long with the quality of Barret, Danielson and Kaval.
Eventually they'll reach the bottom of the barrel.

So yea, like CSL said. The old fashioned way.

I'd rather see guys who are ready brought up through individual means, like Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus.

NXT having one winner a year would also make it mean way more.

That has been a big problem with the WWE ever since they started with Tough Enough in the fact they just hire the majority of people or they rush through multiple seasons instead of spacing them out.

It makes the whole idea of making it a contest or the goal of 1 person gets a dream job in the WWE a bit moot if everyone else gets hired.

WWE never sticks to their guns on stuff like that, and it really defeats gimmicks. They also just run things into the ground.
I really think NXT was gold when it started but 3+ "seasons" a year is ridiculous. Seems like they can never discipline themselves to do things in moderation and preserve for the better in the long run.

Somehow I see this as not being too great of news. When WWE was focusing on RAW and forgetting about Smackdown, the writers for Smackdown realized the show needed to be wrestling-focused and less on skits or main event feuds.

They also realized the need to push more people since Smackdown was always going to lack amount of big name wrestlers in both quality and numbers.

Smackdown ended up developing really well into the wrestling-focused brand while also developing and pushing a lot more wrestlers in the mid-card and main event than RAW focusing just on a few wrestlers in the main event.

I think it is high time WWE should resurrect the Cruiserweight division and its championship from the ashes, like a phoenix. Raise the weight limit to 235 lbs. (the original Junior Heavyweight weight limit), and you'll have a credible division that will thrive and excite the masses.

Look back at the past champions like Brian Pillman, Jushin Thunder Liger, Scotty Flamingo, Brad Armstrong, Shinjiro Otani, Dean Malenko, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Ultimo Dragon, Juventud Guerrera...I can name all the titleholders between 1991 and 2008 (except Hornswoggle), they made the Cruiserweight division mean a lot and can be a mix of various wrestling styles, so it cannot be stereotyped to being listed as one style.

Think Mysterio is being utilized just fine with or without the Cruiserweight division. He was World Champion a couple months ago.

Apparently WWE wanted to cancel it before it went to stores, but since Jakks had to create a special "no muscles" body mould just to make Colin's figure they would have lost a shit ton of money. :lol:

What's the interest rate?

The WWE are not capable of having a Cruiserweight Division and treating the guys in it as anything other than jobbers. It's sad, but Evan Bourne is going to be treated much better outside of being officially labelled a "small guy."

More importantly, what comics was CM Punk reading? :shifty:

I seriously doubt they made it up in sales. Who wants a Colin Delaney figure?

The problem with creating a cruiserweight division is a lot of more talented guys, especially Mysterio, will view it as being relegated to midcard hell.

Yeah theres no way they would have, but they would have lost even more money if they hadn't sold any to hardcore collectors or Colin Delaney.

Given viewing figures for NXT and ECW (and even SmackDown! to some degree) I don't see there being much difference. Whilst some of us on here appreciated Jack Swagger (for example) on ECW and knew who he was, I guarantee there were was a much higher % of people that had no idea who he was the first time he popped up on Raw.

Colin Delaney is the one your crazy aunt gets you because it was on sale and she knew you like wrestling.

I HAVE 52

They always "push" a brand when they move networks by packing it with "Big Name" talent (wasn't that the original reason HHH moved to SD! with the move rto MyNetwork?) pretty sure they will lose interest after a couple months.

<font color=goldenrod>I think Season One was really just an exception because they decided to do the Nexus storyline...and even then I could see several of them going right back to FCW if this angle ends. From Season Two you only have Kaval and Riley on the main roster. I don't really see anybody else from Season Two being up anytime soon.

Granted, they MAY have been planning on doing a Nexus-type stable with them, but their beatdown during the Season Two finale was so horrible that the plans were squashed. I honestly think McGillicutty might be on one of the main rosters right now if he hadn't cut one of the worst promos of all time.

From Season Three, most of the girls aren't ready so I doubt many of them are brought right up. And the ones that DO get the call will likely just wind up being valets for now except for AJ.

If each NXT season gets 2-3 new additions to the main roster while the ones that are clearly not ready go back to FCW, I have no problem with it.</font>

even our imaginary action figure promotions need jobbers

I also don't think there's enough FCW guys to keep doing NXT seasons. Eventually, they'll have to have people being on multiple NXT seasons.

WWE Apprentice

just replace Trump with Vince

Love that every time they switch networks they have to have a meeting to say "Hey guys we're gonna try to make the show good now."

New talent will be carried in on Mason Ryan's broad shoulders.

And we end up with HHH vs. Great Khali for the WWE title at Summer Slam.

I just hope they keep the current theme, or at least make a decent change if they replace it. "If you rock like me" was total crap.

Which is kind of funny because when they don't put their "better" writers' focus on SmackDown!, it tends to be worse off, as RatedG alluded to.

Honestly, it doesn't matter what netowrk SD! is on, I've always felt it's been the better show. Every now and then, Raw will do something great like the Orton/HHH build, or the rise of the Miz. But SmackDown! is the truley better wrestling show.

Some no name schmuck, who, if I'm not mistaken, the originator of this thread comapred to Randy Orton at one point.

REALLY?
 

You call watching Mysterio face guys double his size, on roids, utilized just fine?

You musn't have watched Mysterio in his days in WCW.

I'm talking about real wrestling, or as real as you can get in the ENTERTAINMENT business.

Wrestlers who are dramatically mismatched produce an uneven match up and an even worse amount of manuevers (with exception for people who can't wrestle at all, like Cena/ Big Show/ Kane/ Undertaker/ Khali/ etc...


And I disagree that you'd be minimizing their talent by putting them in such a division.

You give them a title, and a lot of hype, but not just on Smackdown, but on Raw too.

I'm tired of seeing RAW set up with a promo for the main event, a womens bout, and then the main event. What happened to the juice?

I'm talking about some solid match ups, youtube Kidman/ Eddie/ Chavo/ Rey in the WCW days and you'll see what I'm getting at.

If you want to build young, smaller guys, or even current stars like Rey, then put them in a spot where they can shine, not where it looks like a shoot and fake.

Max the wrestler to his potential, in his division. Look at Gregory Helms, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Charlie Haas, Shelton Benjamin, Rob Van Dam...

Although I'm an avid fan of these guys, I don't see them as World Champions, but as Crusierweight champs. I see them as the guys who run through the crowd, or jump off buildings for the people. I see them as flexible and capable of ACTUALLY WRESTLING.

Maybe that's part of the reason why they are gone, they are smaller mid card but with big fan bases, and they got stuck on Smackdown or ECW with no real push because WWE doesn't care about their size. TNA (WCW) is more prone to use guys like them.

If you're stuck on a show with Vickie Guerrero, YOU'RE BEING UNDERUTILIZED.

Leave the Main Event for people like Orton, Sheamus, Miz, etc..

So when is Adam Evans going to debut?

Are you seriously trying to talk about "real" wrestling? :rofl:

In some countries (for example, Japan, Canada, and Mexico), they treat pro wrestling as a legitimate sport, unlike the United States.

This. I mean, like any professional sports franchise harboring minor leaguers and prospects, you can only have so many future contributors coming down the pipeline.

I think what they did with Eric Escobar is useful in gaging a newcomer's talent and giving him a run. Escobar had his chance on the mic, in the ring, and even got paired with a heat machine heel, and, for whatever reason, he just didn't have it.

But you can't say they didn't try and give him a legit shot. Same way with the Hart Dynasty, though I feel they've been a bit misused seeing as what they have to work with and the writing behind them is abysmal.

Exactly, CSL.

WWE and their writing staff isn't competent enough to have a cruiserweight division. It would basically be what the Divas/Women's title has been for years; an undercrad title that recieves few long term, well written storylines and real feuds with an actual payoff.

Guys like Evan Bourne shlould really be a staple of the midcard and an atleast believable contender for the US/IC title.

And you're an idiot. You remember what got Rey hella over in WCW? It was when he was being a "Giant killer".

Who the fuck cares about mismatches? The only thing that matters is whether or not the two guys paired together have chemistry and how them turn that chemistry into good/great matches.

Eddie vs. Rey when Eddie turned heel, at that point, was a mismatch in size. Guess what? Great fucking matches per usual. Do you even know what you're talking about?

Hey Damian Bitch..

I suggest you read my material more carefully.

I was referring to wrestlers who can't wrestle or aren't flexible.

I referred to Eddie and Rey as being solid Crusierweight division wrestlers so therefore they wouldn't be a mismatch.

WHAT DO YOU CALL CHRISTIAN AND HIS SKINNY LEGS? Main Event Material? He hasn't been great since he left Edge, except for TNA but that's because TNA has nothing...

Same with Matt Hardy, ever since they split the Hardy Boyz up, his career has gone downhill.

Gather some cruiserweights, create a few stables, and let's get a war going like Nexus did, but with current established wrestlers.

Sure WWE did well with Nexus and the invasion, but why not go further? Put together these underutilized wrestlers and give them a storyline, taking back the WWE and their careers persay. Invade Raw, invade everything. Invade Nexus even. Give Matt Hardy run it. Use his crazy antics and put it into a current storyline. Then have some oldschool wrestlers like Finlay and Arn Anderson and other legends form a faction. Have these guys come out and tell these guys to stop complaining and bitching... Then you can have nexus show up and talk about all these has beens in the ring and it's their time.. I'm talking about having some solid wrestling storylines...

I can't be the only one tired of Mayo and Cena here..

Hate me but get real too.

The Fan

God, you're just awful.

I know, but I'm entertaining too :-)

That's part of my GIMMICK Juan.

You outta know me better by now.

The Fan

Hey you do realize we are posting on a forum and there really is no gimmicks here. I mean the people who claim to have gimmicks on here are the ones who are going to be the ones int he cross hairs to be banned.

Solid Idea.
 

How about Dancing with the Wrestlers?

Might utilize the Divas since they flushed their careers down the toilet.

TAEF put me in my place.

You must be new.

Hi I'm the AEFan.

I create topics that are controversial and sometimes not worthy of some of these trolls time.

Their reaction whether negative or positive, has no bearing on my reporting or questioning.

They don't kayfabe on me and I don't kayfabe on them.

If they don't give me actual answers to my topic, then maybe they outta be banned instead of being pricks who have an opinion of the person and not the TOPIC.

The Fan

Honesty works.
 

Your Welcome.

1.Eddie was never considered a cruiserweight in WWE, which, if you read my material more carefully, you would've noticed.

2. I call Christian a guy who literally on the brink of main event/upper mid card in 2005 when he was out popping half the Raw roster, only to be shipped to SmackDown!, jobbed out, and eventually leaving for a better oppurtunity.

3. Matt Hardy actually made something of himself with his V.1 gimmick. Pretty sure Jeff was nowhere to be seen. Then he got released, gathered a massive following, had an entire arena chanting his name despite not being on the company's payroll, and returned as the hottest face only for the writing staff to screw things up.

4. Forming two more Nexus like groups, one with younger/underutilized guys and another headed by a guy who can't go anymore (Arn) and a guy who has seen very little TV time (Finlay) isn't going to go anywhere. The point of a stable, if you have yet to figure it out, is to elevate one or two guys whom is thought of as a future main eventer. DX had Hunter, The Nation had the Rock, The Corporation had both of those guys, Nexus has Barrett, so on an so forth.

Banding a bunch of undercard wreslters together and having them ramble about wanting respect and taking what they want isn't going to work when you keep recycling the product to bring in new guys.

Hey did Adam Evans make the cut in FCW yet? When are we going to see him Job to Hornswoggle?

Who did WolfPac have? Who did Ravens Flock have? Who did the NWO have? Who were these factions looking to elevate? Please inform me!

I don't remember Konnans stable having the focus of pushing anyone except for showing attitude and mayhem.

Nwo was full of has beens, currents and very few, if any, rookies.

WolfPac was the same.

Not all FACTIONS/STABLES need to be formed as that of Evolution or others.

CM Punks stable is clearly to put him over, and so was Ortons, but it's not always the case.

Cash in NUMBERS.

Blame the writers all you want, but WWE is still #1 for a reason.

TNA has a lot of great wrestlers right now, but I have yet to see any decent storylines that'd make me want to go to another IMPACT.

Lay off the meth

Courtesy PWI:

TITLE CHANGE AT TONIGHT'S TNA HOUSE SHOW IN NYC
By Mike Johnson on 2010-09-23 19:37:27

Amazing Red defeated Jay Lethal to win the TNA X-Division Championship at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City during TNA's house show, which is still going on at this time.
We will have a full report on the show on the site later.


Title change on a house show in this age.. GJ, TNA :y:

And with all thos stables, where is WCW now? The fact that WCW had that much talent poured into stables and could barely elevate and make any new stars is the reason they're out of business.

CM Punk has the SES to gain more heat and get himself more over than he was? Astute observation.

And Legacy was meant to build up DiBiase and Rhodes, not Orton, who was already over, and had already won the topt title and even retained at Mania. The reason it didn't work is becuase the writers didn't know exactly what to do with neither Rhodes nor DiBiase after the split, and they were relegated back to the mid card to be built back up.

WWE is number oen because they showed up and gave it their best when it counted most. Not hard being number one when you've literally bought out your primary opposition and have no other company any where near your level to pose a threat.

And TNA has really good writers? Really? Is that why they have the deepest, most talented roster, and can't figure out who's face, who's heel, nor have any consistently well booked storyline or feud?

Blame the writers for Rhodes... But I blame Cody Rhodes. Unlike other "legacy" wrestlers, he lacks the mic skills, or the charisma to sell anything worthy to the crowd. He also isn't the greatest when it comes to his in ring ability. He's a mild C if best. He was decent when he first came to WWE as a face when he was turned heel, he became the back burner for Ted and Randy.

You're partially right about WCW's downfall.

But it has more to do with Ted Turner and the power struggle that led to awful storylines by that douchebag in TNA.

Not to mention that WCW relied on ex WWE stars.. Sounds like TNA too?

I would say that their stables/factions, tag team, and their cruiserweight focus made them stronger and viable vs WWE in the Monday Night Wars.

I was one who tuned into Nitro instead of Raw which was hard to do without DVR or TIVO.

And I was saying TNA doesn't have good writers. First thing they need to do, is to remove the owner from ringside. Doesn't provide much room for reasonal storylines when you have the owner of the company at ringside like it's a NBA game.

Not sure, but when he does, I'll give you the play by play as I'll be backstage.

Really thats cool I'm sure they will need lots of enhancement talent for the FCW shows.

tryouts, dark matches, being paired with superstars who are over...

TNA has just sunk to a new level..

Ric Flair got iced.

He still works there quick scramble together get that title off him now put that belt on Axel Rotten quickly you can't be putting titles on homegrown stars.

Holy shit, you are right!

Why the fuck are half the new threads started by people with IQ's that are lower than three year old children?

1. You blame Cody Rhodes for his current position in the company. Come the fuck on. He has no control where his character goes. And a mild C in the ring? Really? He's just as good if not better than DiBiase in the ring. And I'm leaning towards better.

2. WCW's downfall had nothing to do with Turner's power struggle and everything to do with the fact that they were losing big time in the ratings, had numerous ridiculously sized contracts, and a terrible direction for the product. Relying on the veterans is what killed them. People got fed up with the same old shit.

3. I apologize as I read "wreslters" as "writers".

Either way, I understand and can, to a certain degree, appreciate what you'd like to see with smaller and underutilized guys on the roster. But giving them a title that's going to be booked to be meaningless isn't going to make anyone happy.

No one gave two shits about the CW title when it was around after a few years. Why would they care now. What they should do is take guys like Bourne and give him a steady mud card and see if he can gather enough momentum to make an IC/US title run believeable.

Dude he is troll you are just going to hurt your head doing this.

:lol: I figured I'm atleast engaging in some menaingful discussion. Other than his witty play of words with my name he hasn't done much to offend me. I don't see the harm in discussing something and he's at least refraining from bringing up Adam Evans.

they're just living the stereotype of a typical rasslin fan

He's not even in TNA...

The stuff they have used to get new talent over for decades..... This thread is retarded the poster is acting like WWE never created stars before NXT.

Just a heads up, he actually did...he used it to get into the NOC 6 pack challenge.

by being part of John Cena's wrestlemania entrances! how else?

wonder what happened tonight on tna