Tony Khan has posted on internet wrestling message boards before. Be hilarious if he still did.

His original user name from the early 2000s (Coach Tony K on DVDVR) was found out but you never know, he could always find another alias.

There’s no real excuse for a booker to be doing the same shit up and down a card. That’s on them to not allow. Agents should also know how structure matches in ways that fit their position on the card. You know if you’ve got a main event, a tag, a mid-card match, etc. You can assess by the people in it, the style they work, what else is on the card, how long you’ve got, etc.

For example, if you’ve got Danielson, Punk, Cole and Omega for a 25-minute tag team match in the middle of the show, even though it’s not the main event, what a smart way to structure that is. You should know how to have threads coming in and out of it. The finish will tell you a lot. If Moxley and Kingston are doing a death match later, you know you probably don’t want much brawling.

Obviously the booker should be direct with these things first and foremost, but the agents could apply more knowledge than they obviously do. And then the wrestlers down from that too. If you’ve got 5 minutes to get over and you’re on the same card as the Bucks, maybe try not to do some leg slap superkicks and dives? Find a better way.

I dunno, industry is on its ass for these reasons and so many more. If guys were smart enough to figure it out on any level, some serious holes could be plugged.

Tony Khan's probably fanning the flames to bring more attention to his product even if it is toxic fandom. He may use this as leverage when it's time to renegotiate tv deals.

Really good page of posts here

I have bought 4 myself at that price, usually making that decision the day of. For me at least, that has nothing to do with the quality of WWE, but the benefit of the WWE Network. If there was no WWE Network, I would certainly buy the Rumble, Mania, and Summerslam every year, and probably one or two other random PPVs or Survivor Series, based on if they had good cards.

That is why the Network was always a great value, because at $9.99 a month I was paying $120 a year instead of $150-250 for a handful of PPVs. Part of the ease of buying an AEW PPV every so often is because I am no longer having to pay that $50 for WWE PPVs.

Going further, with $120 now going to Peacock, which I already had the $9.99 sub for before the Network moved there, I see that as an extra $120.00 for Wrestling in my entertainment budget that no longer goes toward the standalone WWE Network. Putting that towards 2 or 3 AEW PPVs a year is just 9-10 hours of bonus wrestling I get to watch now without feeling like im wasting too much money.

I mentioned this some other week..... but Kenny Omega and Brian Cage both have a thing where they encourage the fans to clap the Terminator theme music. There is absolutely no reason why they can't just tell one of them to stop other than that they don't like to tell people what not to do.

Has Brian Cage done that? Don't remember ever seeing him do that in AEW...

He did it in the one match of his I saw.... that recent one....

Kenny just did it. Last week maybe? Never seen Cage do it.

Cage definitely did it in his match against Starks. I don’t recall Omega doing it in AEW even though the live crowd has done the clap before. I think Omega should get rid of it and let Cage have it. Omega is over and the top guy in the company. Cage is trying to get over as a babyface who can’t talk. Let him have something that can help get fans engaged in his match.

Cage has done that Terminator clap shit since 2015 at least.

i feel like kenny's used it for years too but not sure of the timeframe

either way someone needs to cut it out

I definitely associate the terminator clap with Kenny. I never noticed it with Cage. I am anti-Cage though, I just don't like him. I saw him wrestle RVD at an impact taping and it was terrible, so ever since I really just don't care for him.

I’ve had this feeling for quite a few weeks that Brian Cage is not long for the AEW world. Doing the Terminator clap is insanely stupid/defiant on his part. Silly for two guys to do it.

“I’m of the sentiment that Tony Khan’s doing a lot of talking about nothing,” Booker T said. “Go out and produce a good show. At the end of the day, we’ll know who won, if that’s what we’re looking for, if that’s your goal post, if that’s what you’re trying to score, but all of this talk about what you’re doing and this and that back and forth, I swear man, it sounds like a little school girl saying how pretty she is over the other girls on the school yard. I could be wrong, but to me, that’s what it sounds like. It doesn’t sound like a boss."

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Everyone knows television doesn’t work the way Tony Khan is acting like it works. Makes them look stupid as shit for reacting like they just won Prom Queen. Even though they got less votes.

And Red Velvet's ongoing feud with her cervical spine continued this past week on Dark. She attempted a Spanish Fly from the second rope on Diamante and Scorpioned herself.

Now Tony Khan is out here burying Eric Bischoff and Matt Sydel. He can't help himself, and I very much dislike him. I guarantee this dude's emails have way worse stuff in them than Jon Gruden's. The way he spazzes out at any criticism, I bet he has some good rants in his emails :rofl:

Lol, why is he burying Sydal? Doesn’t he work for him?

Lol yes!

"Matt Sydal, who’s a great high flyer and great technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling." :rofl:

:roll: JFC. How are stating factual realities about a guy burying him exactly? He didn't say Sydal was worthless, had no talent, wasn't a draw at all, that he would never amount to anything, or that no one should care about him, just that he isn't yet as big of a name as other folks.

but what's the purpose of saying it at all? what does anyone gain by pointing that fact out? silly.

In context, he was comparing their Rampage card to SD's card and the talent involved and whether he wanted to change the card, and in response to Bischoff's crticism and hypocrisy, that unlike Bischoff when he ran WCW, AEW is giving younger or less over talent matches against more over or experienced talent in an effort to eventually build and keep future stars instead of ultimately chasing them off to the competition.

I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

“This is the first time on a Friday we've gone head-to-head like that and I thought it was pretty aggressive what they came in with, they loaded it up with the biggest stars they have and I had to make that choice; do I change up the card we have, which has some big stars like CM Punk, who is one of the biggest names in wrestling, against Matt Sydal, who is a great high-flyer and technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling. That's a great match for the fans. I had to think if I should change that to a crazy box office match and go head-to-head, but I didn't.”

He was making the point that going with a bigger name over a talented guy without a major name was an option but he ultimately declined it. Context matters.

lol, completely changes the tone

It's purpose seemed to be to express to fans and talent who might be interested and/or hearing criticism, that AEW's not simply another WCW or mismanaged company who doesn't build or give legit chances to potential future stars, and that a lot of the people criticizing them are often hypocritical and/or have another agenda/goal.

Matt Sydal isn't a future star though. He's a high flyer who is almost 40 and in his 21st year of action. His best days are behind him.

i appreciate tony's rationale, but i still think it was a useless match to book.

I still agree with Sexy Wexy that there's no point in stating he's not a big name. You could leave everything else in and it would still work just fine. Hell you could have reworded it to say he's an extremely talented individual who hasn't been given the opportunity to be a star until now.

The way he worded it however, is not how a promoter should ever describe his talent.

Tony Khan continues to be his own worst enemy. Bischoff's comments were spot on.

R.I.P

Bingo. Burying someone doesn’t need to be something malicious or in the tone of “you suck.” TK is shining a light on shortcomings for no good reason. This guy needs to shut up and get out of his own way. He doesn’t “get it.”

Speaking of not getting it.

Cry over some more nitpicky shit, moron.

There’s some high-level thinking.

I guess it’s a step up from your usual tactic of shitting on AEW for something you’ve personally fantasy booked and then avoiding the matter when they don’t do it. Gotta do what you can to keep convincing yourself you’re a genius, eh?

And for the record, Tony Khan says LEGIT dumb shit occasionally. To nitpick this quote even after I posted the context REEKS of desperation. I don’t care about him or AEW. I just don’t like that thing you and xrod do where you make bad points in the most arrogant manner imaginable and either refuse to see the fault or pretend not to for trolling sake. It’s a personality disorder that peeves me. We’ll call it Drofording.

I can forgive the occasional dumb Tony Khan statement as long as he’s continuing to produce excellent professional wrestling programming.

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That’s a dapper-looking motherfucker. I take back that statement I made. I DO care about Tony Kahn. He is our savior. WHO WANTS TO FIGHT ME?!

By cherry picking do you mean quoting the exact part where he was talking about Matt Sydal?

You got me, I didnt include the parts where he was whining about how WWE was "Aggressive" trying to hurt poor lil ole AEW, and how he had to consider not using a 38 year old 21 year pro who isnt a star but can do good jumps. Or how he pushes young stars unlike Eric Bischoff 25 years ago, when FYI the youngest WCW World Champion was 11 years younger than AEW's youngest World Champion. Hell even Bill Goldberg was only 31 when he won his first World Championship. I guess I should have included that for context because it relates completely to the 1 sentance he brought up and buried Matt Sydal.

My Bad.

The context was we are being bullied, but we are so good we didnt even have to replace that nobody Matt Sydal, because we are WAY more successful than WWE and Eric Bischoff ever have been. Fuck Tony Khan, not just because he is a weird creepy jackass who cant keep his foot out of his month, but also because AEW would be much more likable if this weird creepy jackass stayed out of the public eye and shut the fuck up.

Dave Meltzer and his subscriber base knows best! Tony Khan is number one! YES WE DID IT

Yes. That’s literally what I meant when I said “context matters”. Often times one sentence can sound horrible but then when you slide it into the context of the entire quote it sounds better.

Now, we can look at all this other stuff you mentioned and see if it was just a dumb thing to say or if you’re cherry picking again but first I need to know... Do you understand that quotes CAN be taken out of context or is any sentence from a larger statement free to be ridiculed on its own?

Yes, like I said the context was "we are being bullied, but we are so good we didnt even have to replace that nobody Matt Sydal, because we are WAY more successful than WWE and Eric Bischoff ever have been."

And another point about context, check out my initial post

Clearly not a serious tone, "context" wise bringing up Jon Gruden's emails, yet you overreacted

You get that was a pretty aggressive way to reply, following it up with some further loaded replies. But also, I post the best, I don't just bury other posters who are future stars here.

Well, you presented it in a playful tone. You like to do that so you can always claim “I was just kidding! GOD!” if you get called out. It’s fine. Noid should adopt that strategy. It’s preferable. And I let it pass until Noid got you to double down on it. THEN I felt the need to rain on the parade with reality.

But just for future reference, as long as you put some “lol” type comment at the end, your Tony Khan gripes should not be taken seriously, right? Because again, I’m cool with that and I’ll be happy to rag on people when they take it seriously on your behalf. Maybe give a playful “lol You scallywag!” comment as a response.

Just because I find something funny does not mean there is no actual gripe, but yes when it's funny stupid there is certainly a different tone. Tony Khan trying to get himself and his show over by patting himself on the back for not pulling the "not a star Sydal" is a funnily stupid brag, and I commented poking fun. That is not giving myself an out, but it is also not an angry discussion.

I quoted the part about Sydal because Nerfect was surprised Khan would say that. That was not an intention to cherry pick in order to spin it, but I stand by it. That is a shitty way to describe a member of his roster. And it wasnt even beforehand to get an underdog story going, he said it after Sydal already lost. It is comical.

Y'all need jesus.

I need the ability to ignore people with personality traits I find annoying. I freely admit this is a problem I have.

Maybe the golden-laced-diaper baby Jesus version.

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Lol, it’s not my fault your education system sucks. By the way, they are pushing Adam Page to the title now after needing to take him off TV to rehab his image. I don’t know why you’re so caught up in that, especially when I was right.

You’ve got a lot of problems. You always start from the assumption that you are correct. What *you* deem to be a stupid thing Tony Khan is fine to comment on. What other people find stupid? Nah, they’re wrong.

TK’s stupid comment here was stupid. You provided no context that alleviates that.

Lol He literally did not and has not won the title. Daniel Bryan also literally did not beat Kenny Omega in that non-title match in “sooooo WWE” fashion like you shit on them for doing.

Claiming “I was right” about things that you were DEMONSTRABLY wrong about and anyone can verify is some serious mental illness shit.

And doing it while insulting someone else’s education. Holy... fucking... shit. Lol

I made the conditional statement that if they were going to push Adam Page to the World Title, they’ve done a terrible job of it. They had. Then he went on paternity leave to try and wash the stank off and now he is going into the main event of the next PPV.

Such a weird thing to bring up. Especially when it is still their plan and is happening now.

They didn’t put the title on Page and Daniel Bryan didn’t win the non-title match and get a title shot. So... Noid was right.

That “superior education” logic at work.

Is the idea of admitting you got worked by Tony Khan really so bad that this awkward attempt at claiming you were right about things that everyone can easily verify you were wrong about the LESS embarrassing option??

LMAO @ a dude’s paternity leave being classified as being taken off to rehab his image

Gotta admit that it did help, though.... get rid of that Dark Order stench a bit, come back looking strong and confident on his own....

Of course paternity leave is just paternity leave, they couldn't very well have him win the title and then leave.... but the leave really did help him out immensely.

That’s not even a knock on AEW. If Tony Khan got Page’s wife pregnant so he could have an excuse to get him off TV and rehab his image... Genius.

Q: Did Kenny Omega already have the dark hair when Hangman left? Did he already get rid of his curly blonde look?

No i think that’s fairly recent

Probably made him more "generic looking" so when Hangman came back he would look better.

*stirring the pot*

lol @ someone from Australia claiming the US education sucks.

I don't want this to get buried on the last page. More people need to see it.

JR has skin cancer :(

:wtf::nono:

Wait...Fan is from Canada, isn't he? That makes Noids statement even more ridiculous.

I’m currently in Canada but I was born, raised and indeed educated in California.

An odd attempt at an insult either way. Lol

They’re pushing Page into the title picture *right now*. Whoops, turned out they did a draw and are ruining Danielson by other metrics. This is like bragging you didn’t miss a turn and kept driving straight into a wall. Had they done it right, they would have ended up just like WWE. How is this a hill to die on?

I’m not the only person who said it: helped him. Because they ruined him. Next.

Not patriotic at all, but more and more I realize how much the US sucks at everything. Australia at least teaches you to use the English language correctly. American English is the fucking worst.

Nah, you can’t read to a tertiary level. You actually cannot process words and generate appropriate meaning. That’s not an odd insult. It’s mean and cheap, but it’s not odd.

Odd is how badly you took being called out for saying AEW should hire good talent wherever they come from, like it’s sage advice anyone was arguing against. Want to to tell a chef to cook food too?

Because watching you backtrack and just say shit in a smug manner as if you think it hides the stupidity of your words just digs more of a hole.

So now you’re trying “I just meant they would push him in the title picture! Not that they would ACTUALLY put the title on him!” That’s how you’re gonna try to convince yourself you were right now? Lol

And of COURSE you’re gonna praise the WWE tactic as the RIGHT thing to do to try to divert attention from another smug “lolAEW” fail.

Ya know, just SAYING someone cannot generate appropriate meaning doesn’t work the way you’re hoping it does. It’s blatantly clear how you’re twisting your words after the fact to convince yourself you’re right after being, once again, DEMONSTRABLY WRONG.

Now go ahead and talk more about your higher understanding of the English language and kick your feet back when you hit send as if it was the ultimate checkmate.

Dear fan, as someone who leads a relatively normal life with healthy relationships and boundaries, why would you indulge someone who's vile and has no other motivation but to be toxic? The person is in dire need of an intervention. You're enabling his reckless behavior.

AEW AEW AEW AEW AEW AEW AEW

You are not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition.





FTFY.

Because TPMUTHAFUCKINWW

Gotta love how "everyone who likes a show I hate is dumb and wrong" became "the US sucks at everything." Didn't think we'd get here.

Noid, you actually did something unpredictable for the first time in like five years.

Could this be the beginning of a gimmick change?

NormanSmiley tried an anti-American gimmick on me. We know how that went.

Well it seems that the FoRbIdDeN dOoR is closing. Impact done working with AEW. Funny how one sided that turned out to be.

AAA can't be far from pulling the plug either. Kenny just became the longest reigning AAA Mega Champion ever in terms of single run length. He's had the title for over 2 years now. He's defended it 5 times. Not really a good deal for them either.

Does this mean no more Good Brothers in AEW or have they jumped from Impact?

You’re really approaching the deep end. My point was that if pushing Adam Page to the World Title was what they intended, The Dark Order stuff was stupid. You have to argue every little semantic detail and project yourself into everything so hard that you lose sight of everything.

They pulled the plug on Omega/Page. Now they’re doing it again. That they’re doing it defeats the purpose of what you’re obsessing over. They don’t get points for delaying it past the guy’s paternity leave.

At least with Danielson you’ve got a semantical point. They didn’t have Danielson beat Omega. They had them draw with no meaningful follow up and it’s ended up even flatter. Cool argument. :y:

Not true. And correctly is an adverb.

I think one of those mysterious books Noid read while taking his break from wrestling was “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Being Wrong Online but Still Arrogantly Pretending You Were Right.”

I’m guessing there was a chapter about how random xenophobic statements can make you feel like a genius no matter how dumb they sound.

:lol: He wouldn't bother to actually read a book... instead he'd just bitch to strangers how shitty the book was, how much better the book would be if he'd have written it, how much better written other older successful writer's recent books are, and that it wasn't really a best selling book because more young than older people bought it and those sales don't matter as much as the number of older folks who bought other older successful author's recent books.

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Love a good "its obviously you know who, but who on earth could that be?" gimmick.

Who is that obviously?

Get mad at the author for not writing a book good enough to make the other author’s latest books better, rather than being mad at the other author for not writing books that everyone knows they are capable of.

Cody

Or you can just call a shitty book a shitty book.

they are doing the same with with danielson now too

That poor neck tattoo, he needs a turtleneck mask :rofl:

Oh... was looking at the wrong dude entirely.... assumed the "son" was the shorter one....

I was hoping for a better name than Fuego 2. I think any of these would be better...

5. Hijo del viajero de media noche
4. Polvo de Estrellas
3. Gringo Pesadilla
2. El Apuesto
1. Mi Midcardo Favorito

:lol: that is completely normal in Mexico, gringo champion or no.

-edit- I just went to look. The previous champion was Fenix and he held the belt for 420 days and defended it twice (and that was all pre-pandemic).

RE: people online already being like "AEW should buy ROH and make them their development!"

I don't think AEW will ever have a "developmental territory" the way WWE do, because they're happy to have talent working their shows without a firm contract, and their contracted talent working independent shows, and they don't have a "house style" that they need to teach people the way WWE does.

Why go to the effort of having a formalized developmental promotion when you already have a pipeline from a couple of good wrestling schools, and strong relationships with independent promotions, and with promotions overseas? All they really need is to have a couple of people on the books to monitor wrestlers' progress on the indies, rather than trying to get them all under one roof.

If anything, I'd rather see them foster stronger relationships with promotions overseas and do their own sort of version of the Young Lion excursions. This way wrestlers early in their career - say, Nightmare Factory trainees - that they haven't got a spot on TV for yet can go over to Japan, the UK or Mexico to gain a bit of experience.

I'd say Dark works fine as developmental without having to have a "separate entity".


Doesn't mean every single person on the show has to be green either. You can pair new talent with veteran or veteran-like talent and go from there. *shrug*

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Like it.

They had stated previously they were gonna run clash of the champion Lille television specials when they announced the love to tbs next year. Cool that we’re already getting some word about it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jon Moxley has allowed me to share with you that he is entering an inpatient alcohol treatment program. Jon is a beloved member of the AEW family. We all stand with him and Renee, and all of his family and friends, as he shifts his focus to recovery.</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1455739778087931913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>